Listening to Big Blue Kickoff yesterday and the hot topic was the potential trade value (if any) of back up QB Ryan Nassib. Lance said there wasn't any while Anita was certain some team would give up a 4th round pick for him. She thinks he's better than some starters around the league.
I can see the value in both arguments. It's great to have a back up who knows the system and has been groomed for a few years under Eli. Hope and pray the day never comes, but if Eli did go down with an injury, we would be in way better shape than most teams in regards to a fill in QB.
However, we have a lot of immediate needs that another draft pick could help sooner than later perhaps. A 4th round pick could mean a player that will see the field sooner than Nassib ever will (in a Giants uniform).
As a fan I have the luxury of throwing caution to the wind and say go for it and trade him if there is any interest in a QB who never played a regular game. If not now, then when?
Nobody will give up a 2ND for him.
Or even a veteran like Matt Flynn, TJ Yates, or even Josh Freeman.
I'm pretty sure they can learn the offense in the whole off-season and they actually have game experience and won't cost much more, if at all, than Nassib.
That and he will be a free agent sooner than later any team intrigued by him will likely just wait and make him an offer at that time.
He is worth more to the Giants as a back up than what they likely could get for him at this time.
That said, I disagree that he has zero value, but he would not net his commensurate value in a trade. I can't see a team giving up anything more than a 6th or 7th round pick.
All that said, I would be surprised if he is moved.
All that said, I would be surprised if he is moved.
Fealy started in five games in which the team went 4-1 on the games prior to the trade.
This and threads about trading down from the #10 spot have to be neck and neck
However, based on comments reiterated on this thread, there is not sufficient evidence that Nassib is worth a 2nd round pick due to his almost non-existent NFL regular season experience.
Nassib knows the Giants system and is a relatively cheap backup. It is almost a certainty that he will remain a Giant for the 2016 and (hopefully) will continue to have almost non-existent NFL regular season experience.
Following her logic, why should the Giants trade Nassib when they found starter level talent among the UDFA in Will Hill and Victor Cruz.
Based on the Mallet trade, Nassib might be worth a 7th or conditional 6th round pick. He's worth more to the Giants as a backup, especially if he's as good as she thinks. If they trade him then it puts the team in the same position as the Cowboys last year. If the starting QB gets hurt then the season would be done.
The other annoying thing is she states that Myles Jack won't be there for the Giants pick. But then keeps going on an on about him. If he's not going to be there move on, talk about other prospects.
Anita brought it up. Lance tried to move on but she kept pressing it, thinking it was a real good debate.
She's been away for a week or so and seems like she didn't keep up with anything. She's been awful. Rehashing old topics, didn't seem to realize Will Hill was being suspended. Lance saved her from looking like too much of a fool going that road.
I wouldn’t trade him for less than a second. He knows the system, and I’d consequently have more faith that he could direct the team for a few games than a journeyman backup we signed to replace him.
Would anybody give up a second? I don’t think so, but teams are desperate for QBs, this isn’t a good year for the position after Goff, Wentz, and maybe Lynch, Nassib has at least been in the league a few years, and many teams did have a second round grade on him.
If they did he wouldn't have lasted to the middle of the 4th round.
Here is Coughlin's quote.
Since we don't know what some team is willing to give the Giants for him, we do not know what he is worth. We can speculate til the cows come home. It doesn't mean anything.
As far as his worth to the Giants goes, they've invested several years in him being mentored by Eli and learning all the offensive plays as well as reading defenses. IMO, he's worth more to the Giants than any other team. But it also has a lot to do with how desperate some team is that we don't know about.
Your answer is: 0
The situation is fluid since he is in his last year under his rookie contract. You don't pay multi-$M deals for a B/U QB. The reality is, an NFL team can get a starting caliber QB on a (1) year prove-it deal at a ridiculously cap friendly hit for a 3rd rd draft choice. Look at what Brock Osweller/Chase Daniel just received with limited playing time. How much did Flynn and Cassel get and what did they contribute to the teams that signed them after limited playing time on their 1st big contract. Stranger things have happened! Teams like The Rams, SF, Saints, Bears, Cowboys, Eagles etc... might be a match. JMHO.
If they did he wouldn't have lasted to the middle of the 4th round.
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I like the kid. The kid was graded really basically right where we took him. He could have gone in the third round, I’m sure. We were worried about that.
How would Coughlin know what grade other teams had on Nassib? Players also slide all the time for unknown reasons. Reese and Ross certainly had a second round grade on him. If they did, then that’s how it was reflected on the Giants’ board as well. I think Ross said he was sticking out like a sore thumb on day three. There was also a lot of press leading up to the draft about how many teams had a second, or even, first round grade on Nassib. That could have been smoke and mirrors, but there was a lot of commentary in that regard.
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most of the early grade stuff was just projection his college coach (Marrone) was going to take him and when Marrone didn't even take him should have been a sign.
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Players fall. Ross said the Giants were shocked that Prince was available.
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Players fall. Ross said the Giants were shocked that Prince was available.
Players fall a few spots. They don't fall 2 to 3 and a half rounds.
Come on, you know you don't buy this. Andre Woodson was a pre-season first round projection. he went in the 6th and that was early for where he should have went. QB's drop all the time once they're exposed in workouts.
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Players fall. Ross said the Giants were shocked that Prince was available.
Players fall a few spots. They don't fall 2 to 3 and a half rounds.
Come on, you know you don't buy this. Andre Woodson was a pre-season first round projection. he went in the 6th and that was early for where he should have went. QB's drop all the time once they're exposed in workouts.
I absolutely “buy” that many teams had a second round grade on Nassib. How many teams? Who knows, but the Giants obviously did. Nassib’s projection held right up to the draft. Players fall all the time. The draft is unpredictable.
Whether even teams that had a second round grade on Nassib would now trade a second round pick for him is an entirely different question. I don’t think anyone would. But I wouldn’t trade him for less than a second or high third, even knowing that he’s likely to leave after the year. At this point, I’d trust him more for a few games than a journeyman veteran we’d have to sign to replace him. The only exception would be if by some minor miracle Goff fell, and then Giants took him at #10. At that point, I’d get whatever I could for Nassib, even if it was just a fourth, which I think somebody would give.
I have news for you, if Eli is injured the Giants are last year's Cowboys. Nassib is not likely leading the Giants to even 6 wins. If the Giants can recoup the 4th they used (forget the 6th) they should jump at it. Matt Flynn played this offense, and actually did so in an NFL game and did well in it, he'd probably give the Giants as good or better chance to win than Nassib and it's likely Nassib is gone after the season.
My opinion is no one would even give the Giants a 4th for Nassib at this time though.
I have news for you, if Eli is injured the Giants are last year's Cowboys. Nassib is not likely leading the Giants to even 6 wins. If the Giants can recoup the 4th they used (forget the 6th) they should jump at it. Matt Flynn played this offense, and actually did so in an NFL game and did well in it, he'd probably give the Giants as good or better chance to win than Nassib and it's likely Nassib is gone after the season.
My opinion is no one would even give the Giants a 4th for Nassib at this time though.
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is that multiple teams had a second round grade on him, didn't take him in the 2nd for some reason, passed again on him in the third for some reason, and then potentially 12 teams who could have had a 2nd round grade on him passed again on him in the 4th for some reason. makes complete sense.
I have news for you, if Eli is injured the Giants are last year's Cowboys. Nassib is not likely leading the Giants to even 6 wins. If the Giants can recoup the 4th they used (forget the 6th) they should jump at it. Matt Flynn played this offense, and actually did so in an NFL game and did well in it, he'd probably give the Giants as good or better chance to win than Nassib and it's likely Nassib is gone after the season.
My opinion is no one would even give the Giants a 4th for Nassib at this time though.
None of that is provable. I could say that he would have led us to the same record with no less (or more) validity. I guess that's why idle conjecture is so much fun.
Agree, totally un-provable. just my opinion. another 5 weeks before the draft so we should have this thread another couple times along with the drafting of the OT vs BPA thread and trading up and down, LOL.
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is that multiple teams had a second round grade on him, didn't take him in the 2nd for some reason, passed again on him in the third for some reason, and then potentially 12 teams who could have had a 2nd round grade on him passed again on him in the 4th for some reason. makes complete sense.
I have news for you, if Eli is injured the Giants are last year's Cowboys. Nassib is not likely leading the Giants to even 6 wins. If the Giants can recoup the 4th they used (forget the 6th) they should jump at it. Matt Flynn played this offense, and actually did so in an NFL game and did well in it, he'd probably give the Giants as good or better chance to win than Nassib and it's likely Nassib is gone after the season.
My opinion is no one would even give the Giants a 4th for Nassib at this time though.
None of that is provable. I could say that he would have led us to the same record with no less (or more) validity. I guess that's why idle conjecture is so much fun.
Agree, totally un-provable. just my opinion. another 5 weeks before the draft so we should have this thread another couple times along with the drafting of the OT vs BPA thread and trading up and down, LOL.
From what I read and heard, many teams had a second round grade on him. Of course, we’ll never know, but I don’t think it’s unusual that a player with a second round grade would fall to the fourth. My recollection is that the Steelers wanted Nassib, but had to settle for Landry Jones after we took him.
As to what we could get for him now, I don’t know. I wouldn’t take less than a second, maybe a high third, which I’ve said I don’t think we’d get. He has more value as a backup who knows the system than a new veteran FA. That’s true even if he leaves at the end of the year.
Then the Giants have to determine if a replacement will cost more than fighting for Ryan.
(It would seem that in case of a monetary tie, the Giants would have more sunk cost and should push for a win).
But what about the upside factor? There was a wide range of opinion when he was drafted. That Mangini did not pick him influenced his fall. But his college record showed potential as a QB who could manage a good team.
Would it not be a relief to have a great QB "manager" who is not a super-star, with a super star salary; on a team that can win with prototypical NYG defenses?
This feels like a convenient argument. We complain regularly (and for good reason) about Ross's talent evaluation skills; I'm not sure we should be using Ross being shocked at a player's draft availability as a reliable indicator.
If someone offers us a pick this year for him we should take it. He is in the last year of his contract and unless Eli gets hurt and his chances of actually playing go up he is leaving and then we get nothing. If nothing else we need to replenish the roster.
It's funny that people are arguing the worth of him after 3 seasons of not playing. His value to us the last 3 years has been 0. We could have had any QB behind Eli and gotten the same result. We can also bring in a vet for less money. We do have peace of mind that he can come in and lose as many games as Eli.
Imo, if the Giants feel the kid is a player in this league they should try to resign him and give him a decent contract with a starter clause. If they dont feel like he will be anything more than a backup, those guys are a dime a dozen and we should get what we can and move on. Its my feeling that as of right now this team is not a playoff contender, still way too many holes and unknowns. So whether Eli goes down or not we will not make the playoffs so Nassibs value to us is a backup QB on a non playoff team.
unless he gets to play this year, his FA value is nil, and if the Giants decide he's a good backup (or future starter), they're in good position to keep him.
but, but, but, he'll want to go where he has a chance of starting. no one is picking him up as a starter, potential starter, based on his performance so far. and if the Giants think he has starter potential, they'll want to keep him for when Eli finally gets too long in the tooth, which will happen during the next 4 years. and the Giants are a sensible place for him to be. He won't be overly expensive to keep.
In this thread you have people (albeit not many) claiming teams had a 1st/2nd round grade on him. now 4 years later you expect him to sign another contract to hold a clipboard?
He's at least going to work out for teams and maybe find a situation where the QB isn't so entrenched. If things go as planned with the NYG Nassib would be a 7 year backup (at least) before ever seeing the field.
Regardless what we think of his value after this season it's more about what Nassib considers is his value.
Secondly, lest we also forget, a 4th round pick in the Reese/Ross era has basically been a washout. Does anyone remember the names Philip Dillard, James Brewer, Adrian Robinson or Brandon Mosely? What reason do we have to believe they will get it right now?
Keep Nassib. He will start in this league someday. A poor mans Brett Favre.