Would you trade up for Myles Jack? At what cost?

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rumored to be in the mix at #1 overall.

But we. We'd all our picks.

He's a 4-3 weakside linebacker.

That is not a premium position in the NFL.

He doesn't remind me of anybody. He is so unique and a perfect complement to battle opposing offenses. He may be a guy that is never truly appreciated because his impact will not be felt in the stat sheet.

The Jints would have to give up too much this year and next year, there is talent at #10.

Cause if he turns out to be Von Miller then he is worth it.

IMHO, when you have as many holes to fill as the Giants, the only trades you consider are the ones that bring you more picks.

In comment 12871030 Carl in CT said:

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Cause if he turns out to be Von Miller then he is worth it.

that's faulty logic.

Miller plays a premium position.

Jack doesn't.

He could drop

There will be a very good player for us at 10. I'd prefer to sit tight. Indeed, if a QB is still there at 10 and a team wants to move up a few spots to land him I'd prefer to move down unless our top target is still sitting there for us.

In comment 12870970 DanMetroMan said:

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rumored to be in the mix at #1 overall.

No shit?

I've long assumed he'd be long gone by our pick, but not THAT long gone.

They can have Lee at 10 if they want. The WOLB is a 3 down player. It's the SOLB & MLBs that frequently come out. The Giants are going to go 4-2-5 quite a bit. They need guys with speed playing backer.

This is a coverages-heavy coordinator. One of the great myths about Spagnuolo is that he is pressures-oriented. Go back to his first tour with the Giants. See how many sacks were recorded by non-defensive linemen. This guy knows one way. They have to pressure with four. Lee also is a great blitzer. He covers like a safety. . Keep all your picks. Draft Lee if that's the way you want to go.

He's most likely a 4-3 WILL, do you really think NYG will trade up for a LB?

In comment 12871114 JonC said:

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He's most likely a 4-3 WILL, do you really think NYG will trade up for a LB?

No, I don’t. And he won’t be around at #10 either. So we aren’t getting him. People need to accept that and move on to something else. It isn’t happening.

including among players drafted in the top 10, I wouldn't trade picks. Every team drafts guys who don't pan out, and sometimes drafts guys who overperform their draft spot. If you start trading up, you better be very very sure.

And you better have brass balls, because you could be taking crap for years afterwards -- even if you end up with the better end of the deal. Remember that for years there was chatter about how the Chargers fleeced the Giants in the Eli trade.

much less a LB'er in our 4-3. I think there's going to be a fine talent available with the tenth pick and I strongly suspect Jack goes to Dallas...Tunsil, QB, Rampsey, Dallas - Jack.

Lets see how it falls... sans Cedric Jones reboot... holy fuck- "The horror... the horror.."

I'd stand pat. For one thing, he might fall. For another thing, this year's draft could be very good in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

A pick if he fell to 10, but if he did, all things being equal(like no bizarre series of trades and selections) I'd be concerned about issues, on/ off field.

I wouldn't, but he's going to be a hell of a player. The guy is a big time playmaker. We just have too many needs and can't afford to lose picks.

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3 down DT and take a shot with 2:10 on ND ILB Jaylon Smith. JS won't make it to 3rd so take a shot in 2nd. Im ok with giving up a 2nd end This Year for a guy who probably won't play until next year. If he was healthy, he might be the #1 overall Pick 'This Year'.

take jaylon smith at 9. if he is healthy he is an allpro if not its only 1 pick wasted not several

pick...besides, I usually don't buy into the theory that "The Giants don't draft linebackers in the first round...", but for them to trade up for a linebacker who's undersized and coming off a knee injury seems far fetched.

is a complete backer. Reads plays well, gets off blocks, immediate to the ball after snap, fast and a very good running back too. Hes the best player in the draft from what ive watched on tape. Id take a shot, but we wont. Imo, hell be a special player barring injury.

i dont think id trade up honestly...if jack falls he is INSTANTLY the pick, if he doesnt, we are fine and go hargreaves, lee, floyd, treadwell, coleman, conklin(hope not) or stanley(hope not)

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a trade down a few slots and still look for lee or treadwell or conklin(hope not) or floyd

I am assuming coleman, stanley and hargreaves get taken somewhere between 10-15 so if we trade down we lose out on those 3

The last player I thought was worth trading up for was Ziggy Ansah, not a MLB.

is special. Odell Beckham-type special.

If a player is the defensive version of Beckham (Sy would know much better than I would) then you go for him and build your system around him. The "premium position" thinking is antiquated.

The Giants have had some of the consistently worst defenses I can recall as a fan since 2009, and yet there doesn't appear to be any institutional desire to rethink the defensive approach.

Get talent, then build the playbook to the talent. Anything else is bad management. Again the Patriots have been the model in this sense for years.

I hear a guy is Odell Beckham on defense, that Derrick Brooks is a reasonable comp, and we shouldn't move to get him?

That's fucking crazy.

one player isnt going to fix this team.

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Just as an exercise, look at Beckham vs. the rest of the 2014 and 2015 drafts. Which would you take?

Beckham

or

Flowers
Collins
Odi
M. Thompson
G. Davis
Hart
Richburg
Bromley
A. Williams
Berhe
Kennard
B. Jackson

I like a lot of those players and I find Beckham a little tough to take, but the answer is Beckham. Add in our probable best case first and second round picks this year and the answer is still Beckham.

If I'm Reese and my scouts feel as strongly about Jack as Sy does, I'm calling the Titans to try to move up to 1.

Moving from 10 to 6 should really only require a 2nd rounder. At 7 it may only cost a 3rd to move up 3 spots. If Jack is the difference maker Sy is claiming then Jack is likely to have more of an impact than anyone taken with the 10th and 40th or 10th and 71st pick.

As GT pointed out a serious lack of talent of D has given this team some downright laughable defenses in recent seasons. They added some major piece through FA. Adding Jack could be the thing that really takes the unit up a notch. With that potential you've got to be willing to take a chance and forego one pick, even a second rounder. I mean, one of the most respected posters on BBI regarding the draft thinks he could impact the D the way OBJ did the O. And people are balking because of one pick? That's insane to me and suggests people are doing some wishful thinking about the draft. It's not like they're going to come away with 3 or 4 starters. It's just not realistic. You have a chance to add a game changing talent to a position that has been downright pathetic in recent years you take it. You can't give up your whole draft but like I said, if he gets to 6 you've got to at least try.

My bet is you need to get above the Ravens, and maybe even in front of the Cowboys to get him.

He is quite possibly the only surefire impact player in this draft, and on the D side of the ball - which is exactly what the Giants need.

He runs with WRs and RBs, and hits like George Brett.

In comment 12871114 JonC said:

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He's most likely a 4-3 WILL, do you really think NYG will trade up for a LB?

The question was would YOU trade up for Jack? So while I appreciate your insight into the org's probably thinking, I'd also like to know what YOU would do, Jon.

In comment 12871128 81_Great_Dane said:

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including among players drafted in the top 10, I wouldn't trade picks. Every team drafts guys who don't pan out, and sometimes drafts guys who overperform their draft spot. If you start trading up, you better be very very sure. And you better have brass balls, because you could be taking crap for years afterwards -- even if you end up with the better end of the deal. Remember that for years there was chatter about how the Chargers fleeced the Giants in the Eli trade.

GD, your argument about #of busts among draft picks, even top10 ones, is exactly why we SHOULD trade up for Jack.

I am far from an expert but what is he special at

He does not rush the passer - that is a major issue for top level front 7 player. He is also not a MLB right now so you would have him on 1 side of the defense.

He is not the first LB that can run. Hell, Casillas is a 4.5 guy right now

Unless they think this guy is a future MLB. I do not see anything he does that says he can be all world MLB

fascinating. At the start of the offseason, guys are ranked and listed with a certain set of expectations, and then a combination of team interest and combine results cause those lists to scatter.

Jack's an interesting case because he seems to be creeping up the charts - earlier this offseason, it was a question of if the Giants might consider taking him at 10. Now they'd have to trade up?

That, combined with the inevitable slip by a round or two (or three) of guys that 'pundits' have ranked to go very high never ceases to amaze me, in particular because in most cases those pundits are dead wrong.

This team needs to add more play makers across the board over bodies just to fill out the roster.

In comment 12871888 stretch234 said:

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I am far from an expert but what is he special at He does not rush the passer - that is a major issue for top level front 7 player. He is also not a MLB right now so you would have him on 1 side of the defense. He is not the first LB that can run. Hell, Casillas is a 4.5 guy right now Unless they think this guy is a future MLB. I do not see anything he does that says he can be all world MLB

He can rush the passer. Other guys his size do it.

That and the fact that he just does everything a linebacker should do - better than everyone else.

this team has had since Jessie Armstead.

We need every pick. One short as it is.

In comment 12871117 AcidTest said:

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In comment 12871114 JonC said: Quote: He's most likely a 4-3 WILL, do you really think NYG will trade up for a LB? No, I don’t. And he won’t be around at #10 either. So we aren’t getting him. People need to accept that and move on to something else. It isn’t happening.

Well in fairness, the OP asked if YOU would. Not if the Giants were going to. ;-)

In comment 12871911 jeff57 said:

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We need every pick. One short as it is.

The fallacy of this thnking is well demonstrated by draft history. In 2010 I posited tje notion that the Giants should trade up for JJ Watt if he lasted as far as 9 or so. He slipped, we didn't move up, and staying in place we got Prince. And Marvin Austin in the 2nd. Jerrel Jernigan in the 3rd. The next year, we got David Wilson in the 1st round, then Reuben Randle in the 2nd. Who the fuck wouldn't trade ALL THOSE PICKS, in retrospect, for JJ Watt?

When you have a player you really believe in, that you think is a generational player, you make the move. If you can...

My dog is smarter than most of BBI... But that's a matter for another thread when I have time.

BlueLou said:

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The fallacy of this thnking is well demonstrated by draft history. In 2010 I posited tje notion that the Giants should trade up for JJ Watt if he lasted as far as 9 or so. He slipped, we didn't move up, and staying in place we got Prince. And Marvin Austin in the 2nd. Jerrel Jernigan in the 3rd. The next year, we got David Wilson in the 1st round, then Reuben Randle in the 2nd. Who the fuck wouldn't trade ALL THOSE PICKS, in retrospect, for JJ Watt? When you have a player you really believe in, that you think is a generational player, you make the move. If you can...

Similar to the Atlanta Falcons trade up for Julio Jones in 2011.

Falcons wanted Jones badly and gave up a hefty price to move up to get Julio by trading their #1, #2, #4 picks from 2011 draft and #1 and #4 picks from 2012.

At the time, that cost was considered extremely favored to the Browns direction. Here we are 5 years later and who wouldn't rather have Julio Jones over the players drafted by all those draft picks WR Jonathan Baldwin, WR Greg Little, FB Owen Merecic, QB Brandon Weeden and WR Jarius Wright.

Point being, if you are sold on a player being an impact player, make the move to trade up.

Unless Spags is going to revamp how he deploys his LBs, it makes little sense to burn extra assets to move up for a LB.

Browns used those picks is flawed.

Anybody 10 year old with a laptop and internet connection to CBSSPORTS.COM/MOCK DRAFT would have come away with better players...

In comment 12872178 JonC said:

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Unless Spags is going to revamp how he deploys his LBs, it makes little sense to burn extra assets to move up for a LB.

What I and Terps and others are suggesting is - if you believe Jack is special, what Sy said OBJ type special, you get him and let Spags figure out i(e adjust) how to use him.

Terps said it great: design your system to the strengths of your players. I bet Spags is more than capable of adjusting to a guy with Jack's skill set.

Or just put Jack at free safety and see how Dez Bryant feels about getting hit by a 245 pound missile after catching a deep post...

In comment 12872220 Jimmy Googs said:

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Browns used those picks is flawed. Anybody 10 year old with a laptop and internet connection to CBSSPORTS.COM/MOCK DRAFT would have come away with better players...

No fucking way. Because that's exactly how Cleveland picked them!