Would you trade up for Myles Jack? At what cost?

In comment 12871888 stretch234 said:

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I am far from an expert but what is he special at He does not rush the passer - that is a major issue for top level front 7 player. He is also not a MLB right now so you would have him on 1 side of the defense. He is not the first LB that can run. Hell, Casillas is a 4.5 guy right now Unless they think this guy is a future MLB. I do not see anything he does that says he can be all world MLB

In all liklihood he is a future 4/3 Mike. Pass rushing is his weakness at this point - unless you get him a free run to the QB.

There's a lot of questions regarding where he'll play in the NFL. Jack is a converted tailback who played in a 3-4 at UCLA. Most teams running a 4-3 will probably put him at WILL and see if he can effectively blow up one edge of the offense. If NYG thinks he can play MIKE, he's got plenty of tools to develop, but burning extra #2 picks is a huge gamble.

245 LBs don't play FS because they lack the range, AA, and COD to play in the secondary. It might work in Madden, grin.

Especially with Snacks and Hank helpin him out his rookie year.

Who else was a freak Lb who played Hb also?

Ray Lewis.

I'll listen.

Seriously, he has more range in pass D than Collins, I think. He's a freak. Wait till he runs the 40.

He regularly drifted out to pick up guys the opposition would try to hide in the backfield and then split out wide as WRs.

Watch him vs USC. It's nuts how often Jack followed the receiver USC was trying to "hide" from the D. Then Jack blankets the guy like a bad rug and the QB, bird dogging his primary target, has no where to throw the ball.

I actually think UCLA misused him, moving him all over the place. But typically he's the best football player and best athlete on the field.

Oh I agree the Giants won't do it. Reese doesn't have the stones for it.

In comment 12872268 BlueLou said:

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In comment 12872220 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: Browns used those picks is flawed. Anybody 10 year old with a laptop and internet connection to CBSSPORTS.COM/MOCK DRAFT would have come away with better players... No fucking way. Because that's exactly how Cleveland picked them!

Just saying I think its safer to say who, after 5 years, got the better of the deal Atlanta or Cleveland. But not to say who wouldn't want Julio over those gaggle of players. I think everybody would want Julio as well.

But I also think the majority of the 31 teams would rather have all those picks at their disposal instead of Julio.

Not asking you to listen to me, just stating what I thought.

I do however find your insight interesting.

Can you see him being a dominate MLB in our 4-3? Especially with help up front to start?


If he's there at 10 hypothetically I would only take him if he can be what I think he can be at MLB tho not Weakside or strong side. Otherwise give me Treadwell at 10.

I'm sick of guys like Unga who don't belong in the league getting owned in the 4th Qtr. No excuse we need a major upgrade. Unga is trash at MLB, I'd rather see Herzlich honestly. Unga is the worst I've seen since Like Phillip Dillard. Even Greg Jones was a stud compared to Unga even for one year.

Herzlich makes me want to wonder if we are cursed forever for having LT/Carson/Banks at one time...

My complaint is more with the thought process than with not going after this player.

Add talent and coach to the talent, not the other way around.

I'm one of the posters who brought Jack to attention here early in Sept 2014, along with OO, I've seen a ton of him. Tremendous athlete, relentless competitor, versatile at the college level is an understatement.

Fact remains this sport is moving in a direction where athletes of Jack's size are getting harder to deploy in a full-time role. College level isn't the NFL level. Would love to have him, but not at the cost of 2-3 premium draft picks.

But I am with you 100% on the process.

Jon, understand your point, but don't get the size issue. Twice he has been officially weighed (combine & pro day) at 245#. That's not big enough for a 4-3 Mike? I think we watch him move, and we have a hard time believing he's that big... But I doubt the scales lie.

IMO he's the prototype of what the next generation of great 4-3 Mikes will have to be to handle modern passing attacks. Fast enough to cover any RB or TE, even fast and agile enough to cover WRs. Not to mention big and fast enough to adequately spy on beasts like Cam Newton or Kapernick.

You think he's too small?

the rest is projection, I think he's a "nice to have" but I don't see trading multiple premium picks for a LB.

But his stiff arm is pretty absurd from the RB position, an A+ stiff arm if I've ever seen one.

11TDs on 68 carries with a 5.7 YPC... Nuts.

Doesn't really help project how he'll be as a LBer on the NFL level but damn is he an impressive athlete.

I wouldn't trade too much for a defensive player who doesn't project to be a premier pass rusher. But Jack is really tempting because of how versatile he could be.

You shouldn't think like this but the Cowboys being right there makes me more likely to trade up for this guy. Can't have this guy wrecking shit in our division for a decade.

in season or even his career ending, I think the Cowboys would be nuts to pass on one or both of the best QBS in the draft. So of they take Jack and pass on the QBs, I'd actually be sanguine about it.

In comment 12871346 Go Terps said:

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If a player is the defensive version of Beckham (Sy would know much better than I would) then you go for him and build your system around him. The "premium position" thinking is antiquated. The Giants have had some of the consistently worst defenses I can recall as a fan since 2009, and yet there doesn't appear to be any institutional desire to rethink the defensive approach. Get talent, then build the playbook to the talent. Anything else is bad management. Again the Patriots have been the model in this sense for years. I hear a guy is Odell Beckham on defense, that Derrick Brooks is a reasonable comp, and we shouldn't move to get him? That's fucking crazy.

You've implied that if a good player is on a bad defense he's not worth keeping. That's not consistent with wanting to gut talent to get one good player on defense.

No I haven't. I have said, not implied, that JPP is a major reason the defense has been bad.

Nice try.

him. But I wouldn't trade up for him. I think Leonard Floyd would be a good pick. He has a lot of Jack's athleticism and while he was a little light in the pants during the season, he's put on 14 pounds since then while still being as athletic.

I like the idea of going linebacker with the 10th pick. We've ignored that position for too long. But I think it's a good idea to hold on to our 2nd day picks.