Have some decent moments but ultimately be a screw up because he cannot mentally get things down, be it route running or whatever. Plus how well his knees are holding up.
that means the Giants first round pick (Prince) and now a 2nd round pick (Randle) on their post rookie year contract- ie the biggest one that players get as professionals, both had to accept under market value 1 year deals elsewhere. That just shows how the NFL views the talent available from this roster.
that means the Giants first round pick (Prince) and now a 2nd round pick (Randle) on their post rookie year contract- ie the biggest one that players get as professionals, both had to accept under market value 1 year deals elsewhere. That just shows how the NFL views the talent available from this roster.
So did the first round pick from the year before (JPP), and the first round pick the year before only got a 1 year deal elsewhere (Nicks).
Injuries impacted JPP and Nicks, but that's part of the game.
His problem with the Giants was that he didn't have the footballs smarts or the winning desire or attitude. Maybe a change of scenery and new offensive system will help him. I wish him the best of luck (except when playing against the Giants).
His problem with the Giants was that he didn't have the footballs smarts or the winning desire or attitude. Maybe a change of scenery and new offensive system will help him. I wish him the best of luck (except when playing against the Giants).
Not to wish ill on RR personally, but I hope Philly gets as much success out of him as they did with Smith.
Eh. Smith was the right decision to let him go at the time because of the knee injury. Randle is just a lazy inconsistent bum who could've been better.
less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
he's got a load of physical talent..Whether or not you can teach him the mental is another story
That's his story. On paper, Randle looks fantastic. Good size, good production, top HS recruit, SEC player, 2nd round pick....but when you dig deeper, you see he's not the kind of player you want on your team.
less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
In three years it is possible people look back and say Mccants was the most successful NFL player from that Giants draft - and he is a backup / marginal starter who never did squat with the Giants.
It's not a real strong class for WR# in the early rounds anyway. Real strong for defensive linemen.. Would still like to see them use their first 2 picks for defense. There's enough real good DT's in this draft that there will still be some good ones left at 10th pick in the 2nd round.
is just about to start a 3 day drunk to celebrate Randle being gone. If you see Eli wandering somewhere in the NY/NJ area, get him a coffee and call a cab/Uber for him.
I hope they get player we only saw a small sample of at times I still believe this guy has very good talent. I find it strange that so many people could be so wrong when looking and judging one player. This the same guy who was rated an NFL ready WR from day one who lacked only deep speed. The big question is why for some reason this team could not bring the talent out consistently.
MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:(Video)
(Saturday Remarks): Like we said the other day, he was in the conversation with respect to our first pick. I think we were fortunate that he was still there; terrific, big receiver; pro-ready kind of guy. We think he will really thrive in our offense.
(Friday Remarks) Q: What impressed you most about Rueben Randle?
A: Hes NFL-ready he runs the entire route tree. In this day and age in college football, its all about the spread offense, and guys dont run the full tree. This kid runs the full tree. He kind of looks like a big, pro wide receiver out there with how he runs routes. I think hes going to be a quick fit into the offense with how he plays; hes big, he can post guys up. People mentioned Hakeem Nicks when we talked about him in our room. Hes not blazing fast; I dont think Hakeem is blazing fast either. Hes game fast and hes bigger than Hakeem very good hands, ball skills. A talented football player.
Q: How close were you at taking Randle with the No. 32 pick in the first round?
A: He was in the discussion. There were five guys in the discussion, and he was one of the guys who we spoke about as well. We were really surprised a little bit with him still being there because we thought he wouldve gone early in the second [round]. He was still there, and I think were fortunate to get a guy of his caliber.
Q: Are any of those five guys still available?
A: No. Theyre all gone.
Q: Why not move up a couple of spots to ensure you get the player you want?
A: We like using all of our picks, and weve moved up to get guys before and it hasnt worked out that great for us. Were a little bit leery of moving up and taking guys. Weve done that in the past and I dont think our success has been very good.
less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
but did you read the Quran?
but did you get out of your basement?
I wasn't the one posting for hours on end on one thread. Go get fucked.
Especially if they sign Nelson and/or Robinson, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they not only signed a WR at #10, but if they even went WR number one and number two... Or 1 and 3
compliments paid to him were overdone. From that standpoint, he was similar to Toomer, although Armani was much better. Then he developed bad knees. So he got a show-me one-year deal. He had some good games within the division is what I will say about him.
When I think of a good WR I think Michael Crabtree, anquan boldin, Amani toomer, Hines ward, Emmanuel sanders. I don't think Ruben Randle. Forget the allegations of poor practice habits or poorly run routes or lack of effort. What I do know is the guy has no quick twitch to his game. Doesn't. Desk tackles or make the amazing catch and is rarely if ever wide open. Maybe that was injury but all I can go on is what my eyes tell me and that is that Randle just isn't a dangerous WR. He's a pro WR and That's about it.
He has all the physical tools but there's no one upstairs. If someone can push the right buttons he can be a solid number 2, but the fact that a 6'2", 210lb receiver who put up 128 catches for 1,700+ yards and 11 TDs over the last 2 seasons drew virtually no interest on the FA market and had to settle for what's basically a 1 year/1 mill deal says volumes about perceptions about him around the league.
in today's world, a very select few get ungodly gobs of money. everyone else makes a mil a year or less. there is a little gradient in there, but overall, that's the deal.
nobody bit on him giving him starter money (and I don't recall anyone, anywhere saying he was going to get it), so now he gets the leftover dollars.
Had me convinced he was about to bust out, he was a machine in both of those. I don't hate the guy and I'm quite frankly oddly confused as to why there is so much vitriol towards the guy. He didn't come to your houses and fuck your sisters...as far as I know anyway. I hope he does well and his knees hold up.
Had me convinced he was about to bust out, he was a machine in both of those. I don't hate the guy and I'm quite frankly oddly confused as to why there is so much vitriol towards the guy. He didn't come to your houses and fuck your sisters...as far as I know anyway. I hope he does well and his knees hold up.
Same sentiments here. To answer your question, this board is chock full of tough guys on their sofas. Was he frustrating to watch with his inconsistency? Yes. Was he as bad as this board says? I don't think so.
I do not hate the guy, heck he was one of the few Giants who could stay healthy enough to take the field almost every week. I just do not think he is very good. On top of that from my layman perspective he looked like he did not give top effort and often when he was targeted by Eli something bad would happen.
Stats? He was healthy and had a starting role with a hall of fame QB and the last season and a half playing across from a tilt the field talent, so he put up some numbers.
I think the Giants will be a better team with someone else in the #2 spot.
Eagles did not upgrade anything with this signing.
less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
but did you read the Quran?
but did you get out of your basement?
I wasn't the one posting for hours on end on one thread. Go get fucked.
Did you ever think that if you keep finding posters to have Internet pissing matches with that you are the one with a constantly full bladder?
MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:(Video)
(Saturday Remarks): Like we said the other day, he was in the conversation with respect to our first pick. I think we were fortunate that he was still there; terrific, big receiver; pro-ready kind of guy. We think he will really thrive in our offense.
(Friday Remarks) Q: What impressed you most about Rueben Randle?
A: Hes NFL-ready he runs the entire route tree. In this day and age in college football, its all about the spread offense, and guys dont run the full tree. This kid runs the full tree. He kind of looks like a big, pro wide receiver out there with how he runs routes. I think hes going to be a quick fit into the offense with how he plays; hes big, he can post guys up. People mentioned Hakeem Nicks when we talked about him in our room. Hes not blazing fast; I dont think Hakeem is blazing fast either. Hes game fast and hes bigger than Hakeem very good hands, ball skills. A talented football player.
Q: How close were you at taking Randle with the No. 32 pick in the first round?
A: He was in the discussion. There were five guys in the discussion, and he was one of the guys who we spoke about as well. We were really surprised a little bit with him still being there because we thought he wouldve gone early in the second [round]. He was still there, and I think were fortunate to get a guy of his caliber.
Q: Are any of those five guys still available?
A: No. Theyre all gone.
Q: Why not move up a couple of spots to ensure you get the player you want?
A: We like using all of our picks, and weve moved up to get guys before and it hasnt worked out that great for us. Were a little bit leery of moving up and taking guys. Weve done that in the past and I dont think our success has been very good.
BBI 2012 Draft Review - ( New Window )
He wasn't way off base with his analysis of Randle.
must mean McAdoo wanted nothing to do with him. You have to believe with the team having so much cap space available if their brand new head coach who was the teams OC that worked with Randle had said he wants the guy on the team they try and keep him for anything close that price.
Probably, and that's exactly why the Giants let him go. He has proven he has the talent & tools to play at a high level, but constantly makes mental errors. When he play the Giants, he will have his head in the game. Exactly he reason why he can go fuck himself.
that there is a single poster who thinks this was a bad thing for the Giants. He is/was/never was dependable. He would have a good game here and there. Catch a slant consistently. Get deep once in awhile. However when push came to shove, he would wrong the run route, get pushed around, run out of bounds without being touched, or drop a potential GW catch.
OBJ drops the occasional TD, has an occassional meltdown, or gets taken out of a game from time to time but makes up for it with 6-7 monster games. Randle has one good game surrounded by 6-7 piss poor ones.
I mentioned his health as a plus. He was out there basically every week on a team plagued by injuries of all types.
I do not recall his consistent presence on the injury report either. He was healthy enough to dress and play, so what is this about his knees? Excuse making?
Guy was not that good. He can prove any of his doubters wrong with his play. I do not think that will happen and I am glad the Giants have decided to move on and give someone else a shot as the team's number two WR.
And I definitely think that without him now, we are dramatically worse than we were with him. It's a huge huge deficiency, and likely a fatal flaw for our team. And like him or not, Randle was the last best usable WR on the market, so our outlook going forward is just now good. He is flawed but his absence makes us worse, not better.
Which does not make me a fan. I dislike him if only because Eli took a lot of shit for errors and turnovers that can directly be laid at Randle's feet. In some drives, maybe many drives, Randle hurt us. But he helped us at times as well.
Mainly I'm a pragmatist. For as much as you can criticize him, you have to see if we are better or worse without him. Since we made no move to replace him and there is nothing out there that will replace him unless a high draft pick can step in immediately, IMO we are worse off.
For a cheap deal for the next year or even 3. He has tools, has put up stats and sadly is quite easily at worst the 3rd or 4th best WR on this roster. Teams need depth and he would provide that easily.
Whether his failings are due to the injuries, poor focus, being slow, Or a combination of things I don't know. What I do know is right now having him and that scrub James Jones would make the WR depth look a lot better.
Our second best WR right now is Harris, who is better suited IMO as a 4th option.
I have not heard of the Giants approaching Randle at all this offseason so I would assume they didn't want him back at all and had a great reason.
Randle is an excellent example that "running the full route tree" is a bunch of BS when talking about a college prospect.
Anybody can run the fucking tree.
His problem? It wasn't running the tree. He could run all of the routes without any explosion or sudden breaks.
Give me the guy with explosive movement or attacks the ball super-aggressively. Randle misses badly on both points. The team is not worse today. Unless the team you're talking about is the Eagles.
He didn't make the team dramatically better and they won't be dramatically worse without him.
Hopefully they can find someone who will make them dramatically better.
i totally mean it. And it's not a reflection of his ability. It's a reflection of the talent we have left
I guess that remains to be seen once we see the final roster and the season is underway but I keep coming back to McAdoo. I don't know what type of HC McAdoo will end up being but he is a good offensive football mind and I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have asked them to re-sign him if he believed losing him would make the team dramatically worse. I trust his judgment having been Randle's OC for these past couple of seasons.
The Giants realistically had no interest in re-signing Randle, him signing with the Eagles in all likelihood had/has no impact on the Giants FA or draft plans. They might draft a WR like Treadwell or sign a FA like Boldin, but those moves have nothing to do with Randle who was not being considered to re-sign here.
Yes he does. The problem is, when he supposed to run a 9, he runs a 5; supposed to run a 4, he runs an 8 etc. He runs the whole tree, just not the branch you want when you want it.
This is as good an example as I can think of about the desperation of free agency. Can't imagine what the Eagles are thinking. Oh, I know. He's ready to have that "breakout year". Good luck with that.
Don't want to touch Randle or Hill
JerseyJoe : 4/9/2012 10:04 am : link
way too much development needed and the bust potentials are higher. Don't get too caught up in the measurables. Guys like Fleener,Wright and even Alshon as much more NFL ready than those two.
He has all the physical tools but there's no one upstairs. If someone can push the right buttons he can be a solid number 2, but the fact that a 6'2", 210lb receiver who put up 128 catches for 1,700+ yards and 11 TDs over the last 2 seasons drew virtually no interest on the FA market and had to settle for what's basically a 1 year/1 mill deal says volumes about perceptions about him around the league.
What teams are basically saying is that his "numbers" were a bunch of hollow BS (what most of us on BBI have been saying) and a close investigation of the player would tell you he was an incredibly flawed player with all the warts we have been pointing out the last three seasons.
If the kid's knees let him play, the Eagles did very well for what they paid even with the incentives.
That would surprise me, but I am no expert. I will stand by my opinion that he just is not a guy you want starting.
His situation here was ideal, top QB, a number two option to across from one of the best play makers in the league, team believed in him by drafting and committing to him as a starter.
He did produce numbers on paper but something is missing. McAdoo was his OC and worked with him and the Giants did not even think about bringing him back. That speaks volumes.
So now he will go to the Eagles and play with a worse QB, in a new setting and will suddenly light it up?
Also, what is the deal with the knee excuse? Was he listed as hurt every week? He was out there, he has to perform. Guy gave up on the that pick in the Jet game, I thought maybe I was crazy when I was going ballistic watching it on TV, but then I heard Banks and Papa on the radio post game going on about it. He also did not layout for that bomb in NO. Now, those are just two examples but they stand out to me.
NO question we could all regret it but, I am convinced the Giants can do better. The front office of this team is convinced of hat as well.
RE: hope you hyenas are still laughing in November
If the kid's knees let him play, the Eagles did very well for what they paid even with the incentives.
Not exactly laughing, but knees plus recurrent brain issues keep me from regretting his departure. Giants needed a better #2 WR. Hope they wind up with one.
He was an UFA too and had plenty of action and quickly signed a huge deal for $35+ million. NFL is telling you he's nothing like a guy like Randle who had to settle for a terrible 2nd contract.
Fleener can get open in the NFL and make plays. His numbers will explode next year.
He played in a bombs away offense when he was best friends
a QBs stats throwing to each receiver? I haven't cared for Randle over the last few years but I want to see if Eli's numbers targeting Randle are as sub par as I think.
Last season he had no QB. And he split time with Allen.
He's nothing like Randle which the demand for his services and the contract proves. He got how much guaranteed? There's a reason for it. He showed an ability to get open and a game that works on an NFL field.
inability to work with Eli and follow instructions regarding routes and where he was supposed to be. He also quit on plays at times. Cannot have that with a QB who needs precision in those areas. He had the other tools, size and good hands. Think he caused lot of interceptions and broken plays over the years because of this problem. Hope we have learned, forget the measurables and get reliable possession receivers who can follow instructions.
He has the talent to play ( 8 TD's last year) He also had Odell playing opposite him and Eli throwing to him ,even though he would be elsewhere running a different route half the time
But how many INT's were directly his fault. He killed Eli's stats with his half a brain. Id put the over/under of INT's he has personally cost Eli at 15.
Im glad hes gone, if he didnt improve from year 1 through year 4, then he isnt all of a sudden going to break out with a lesser QB throwing to him in Philly.
And he wont see as much playing time in Philly either. They have a decent group, he wont be relied on as much like we relied on him after Cruz went down. So expect about 2-3 TD's out of him, but also expect about 2-3 INT's that will be directly his fault as well.
Last season he had no QB. And he split time with Allen.
He's nothing like Randle which the demand for his services and the contract proves. He got how much guaranteed? There's a reason for it. He showed an ability to get open and a game that works on an NFL field.
Nothing like Randle.
You can't play the game where the money he got on the open market defines his ability as a player. You have three years of data of Fleener. He is what he is. New Orleans dumping a bunch of money on a contract doesn't mean much. New Orleans has been bungling their salary cap for a couple of years now. Fleener's guaranteed money isn't making the fact that he drops more passes than Larry Donnell go away.
He has the talent to play ( 8 TD's last year) He also had Odell playing opposite him and Eli throwing to him ,even though he would be elsewhere running a different route half the time
But how many INT's were directly his fault. He killed Eli's stats with his half a brain. Id put the over/under of INT's he has personally cost Eli at 15.
Im glad hes gone, if he didnt improve from year 1 through year 4, then he isnt all of a sudden going to break out with a lesser QB throwing to him in Philly.
And he wont see as much playing time in Philly either. They have a decent group, he wont be relied on as much like we relied on him after Cruz went down. So expect about 2-3 TD's out of him, but also expect about 2-3 INT's that will be directly his fault as well.
Good post and analysis. Physically talented WR who did not fit into our scheme with ELI because he did not follow the routes and precision this QB needs (similar to his brother Peyton) . They throw timing patterns to spots. Great WR for Vick, other scramblers but not ELI.
He has the talent to play ( 8 TD's last year) He also had Odell playing opposite him and Eli throwing to him ,even though he would be elsewhere running a different route half the time
But how many INT's were directly his fault. He killed Eli's stats with his half a brain. Id put the over/under of INT's he has personally cost Eli at 15.
Im glad hes gone, if he didnt improve from year 1 through year 4, then he isnt all of a sudden going to break out with a lesser QB throwing to him in Philly.
And he wont see as much playing time in Philly either. They have a decent group, he wont be relied on as much like we relied on him after Cruz went down. So expect about 2-3 TD's out of him, but also expect about 2-3 INT's that will be directly his fault as well.
Good post and analysis. Physically talented WR who did not fit into our scheme with ELI because he did not follow the routes and precision this QB needs (similar to his brother Peyton) . They throw timing patterns to spots. Great WR for Vick, other scramblers but not ELI.
Where do we see the Eagles having a "decent" group.
Both guys were UFA. One got a huge deal within a couple of days. The other guy got no action and signed a one year deal for no money. That says it all about how NFL scouts rate the players.
Fleener improved each of his years with Luck. His last year with him he was excellent. Very efficient for the number of snaps he played. Very high YPC. A lot of TDs. He showed he was a matchup advantage which is why he got the big money.
On the other hand, Randle proved he was an easy cover and no matchup advantage. Which is why no NFL team had any interest in signing the guy.
You had guys like Sanu, Matthews, Jones, Benjamin, all getting nice money. Randle got nothing. The reason? It's all about his play on an NFL fielld and what teams think he can do going forward.
Nobody was impressed or saw much with Randle.
Fleener impressed people who know how to watch the game.
Fleener is nothing like Randle. And the money proves it.
RE: RE: hope you hyenas are still laughing in November
If the kid's knees let him play, the Eagles did very well for what they paid even with the incentives.
Yeah and so did the Giants by paying him 0
I wish I shared your optimism. 130 catches 1700 yards and 11 td's the last two years doesn't grow on trees. And he played every game the last three years. Let's see who they get to replace him first.
#Eagles and WR Rueben Randle agree to terms on a one-year contract. Welcome to Philadelphia!
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I know you were kidding
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he had some big games, though he was also the frequent whipping boy (many times deservedly so)
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The #Eagles reach a 1-year deal with WR Rueben Randle. Agent Vincent Taylor of Elite Loyalty says it's worth more than $3M, $500K guaranteed
Eagles signed WR Rueben Randle to a one-year deal. No terms available but indications were it would be for about $1m with incentives on top.
Given his history, I don't see how Reese does not go WR in one of the top 3 picks, esp. if Slade has the goods
Given his history, I don't see how Reese does not go WR in one of the top 3 picks, esp. if Slade has the goods
Anquan Boldin!
So did the first round pick from the year before (JPP), and the first round pick the year before only got a 1 year deal elsewhere (Nicks).
Injuries impacted JPP and Nicks, but that's part of the game.
Rueben Randle's deal is for 1 year and $1.025 million with potential to earn more through incentives, per source #giants #eagles
Didn't he have less than 100% knees as well?
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Eh. Smith was the right decision to let him go at the time because of the knee injury. Randle is just a lazy inconsistent bum who could've been better.
Wilson, Randle, Hosley, Robinson, Mosley, McCants, Kuhn.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
Rueben Randle's deal is for 1 year and $1.025 million with potential to earn more through incentives, per source #giants #eagles
Wow, he got very little, prove it contract if I ever saw one.
That's his story. On paper, Randle looks fantastic. Good size, good production, top HS recruit, SEC player, 2nd round pick....but when you dig deeper, you see he's not the kind of player you want on your team.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
but did you read the Quran?
Rueben Randle's deal is for 1 year and $1.025 million with potential to earn more through incentives, per source #giants #eagles
And let's not forget the predictions that he'd get #1 money both from the media and BBIers.
Wilson, Randle, Hosley, Robinson, Mosley, McCants, Kuhn.
In three years it is possible people look back and say Mccants was the most successful NFL player from that Giants draft - and he is a backup / marginal starter who never did squat with the Giants.
Can't wait to see him catch 2 of 12 targets!
not a particularly strong draft class, but of the other 2012 WR's the only ones demonstrably better than Randle (statistically) are:
Alshon Jeffery
TY Hilton
and then you're looking at Randle, Kendall Wright and Michael Floyd in the same ballpark at Randle.
So as much as he under-performed and had the alleged mental mistakes, his stats weren't awful comparatively speaking.
And I get people say stats are for losers, but hard to compare him to the draft class without them.
Its not you, its me...
You are technically right. Eli was too good of a QB to take shit for his sluggish route and wrong route running. He did not fit here at all.
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(Saturday Remarks): Like we said the other day, he was in the conversation with respect to our first pick. I think we were fortunate that he was still there; terrific, big receiver; pro-ready kind of guy. We think he will really thrive in our offense.
(Friday Remarks) Q: What impressed you most about Rueben Randle?
A: Hes NFL-ready he runs the entire route tree. In this day and age in college football, its all about the spread offense, and guys dont run the full tree. This kid runs the full tree. He kind of looks like a big, pro wide receiver out there with how he runs routes. I think hes going to be a quick fit into the offense with how he plays; hes big, he can post guys up. People mentioned Hakeem Nicks when we talked about him in our room. Hes not blazing fast; I dont think Hakeem is blazing fast either. Hes game fast and hes bigger than Hakeem very good hands, ball skills. A talented football player.
Q: How close were you at taking Randle with the No. 32 pick in the first round?
A: He was in the discussion. There were five guys in the discussion, and he was one of the guys who we spoke about as well. We were really surprised a little bit with him still being there because we thought he wouldve gone early in the second [round]. He was still there, and I think were fortunate to get a guy of his caliber.
Q: Are any of those five guys still available?
A: No. Theyre all gone.
Q: Why not move up a couple of spots to ensure you get the player you want?
A: We like using all of our picks, and weve moved up to get guys before and it hasnt worked out that great for us. Were a little bit leery of moving up and taking guys. Weve done that in the past and I dont think our success has been very good.
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less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
but did you read the Quran?
but did you get out of your basement?
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less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
but did you read the Quran?
but did you get out of your basement?
I wasn't the one posting for hours on end on one thread. Go get fucked.
This was a fairly decent excuse before they gently nudged Gilbride into retirement and brought in McAdoo.
He's lazy and dumb and has bad knees that aren't likely to get any better going forward. No offense made him that way.
For 1 play and then he'll disappear for 9 games
thanks for not taking one for the team by not laying out in New Orleans.
He has all the physical tools but there's no one upstairs. If someone can push the right buttons he can be a solid number 2, but the fact that a 6'2", 210lb receiver who put up 128 catches for 1,700+ yards and 11 TDs over the last 2 seasons drew virtually no interest on the FA market and had to settle for what's basically a 1 year/1 mill deal says volumes about perceptions about him around the league.
"Say what? "
nobody bit on him giving him starter money (and I don't recall anyone, anywhere saying he was going to get it), so now he gets the leftover dollars.
...with a guy like RR on your team.
When the going gets tough, RR plays very small.
Eagles lost some toughness right there with that signing.
Except he's going to the Eagles so why do you hope he does well?
Same sentiments here. To answer your question, this board is chock full of tough guys on their sofas. Was he frustrating to watch with his inconsistency? Yes. Was he as bad as this board says? I don't think so.
I do not hate the guy, heck he was one of the few Giants who could stay healthy enough to take the field almost every week. I just do not think he is very good. On top of that from my layman perspective he looked like he did not give top effort and often when he was targeted by Eli something bad would happen.
Stats? He was healthy and had a starting role with a hall of fame QB and the last season and a half playing across from a tilt the field talent, so he put up some numbers.
I think the Giants will be a better team with someone else in the #2 spot.
Eagles did not upgrade anything with this signing.
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less he contributes on a team without Odell and a star QB.
His production is going to plummet in comparison.
Any notion of him somehow blowing up is utterly hilarious, we've heard it all before.
but did you read the Quran?
but did you get out of your basement?
I wasn't the one posting for hours on end on one thread. Go get fucked.
Did you ever think that if you keep finding posters to have Internet pissing matches with that you are the one with a constantly full bladder?
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MEDIA Q&A WITH GENERAL MANAGER JERRY REESE:(Video)
(Saturday Remarks): Like we said the other day, he was in the conversation with respect to our first pick. I think we were fortunate that he was still there; terrific, big receiver; pro-ready kind of guy. We think he will really thrive in our offense.
(Friday Remarks) Q: What impressed you most about Rueben Randle?
A: Hes NFL-ready he runs the entire route tree. In this day and age in college football, its all about the spread offense, and guys dont run the full tree. This kid runs the full tree. He kind of looks like a big, pro wide receiver out there with how he runs routes. I think hes going to be a quick fit into the offense with how he plays; hes big, he can post guys up. People mentioned Hakeem Nicks when we talked about him in our room. Hes not blazing fast; I dont think Hakeem is blazing fast either. Hes game fast and hes bigger than Hakeem very good hands, ball skills. A talented football player.
Q: How close were you at taking Randle with the No. 32 pick in the first round?
A: He was in the discussion. There were five guys in the discussion, and he was one of the guys who we spoke about as well. We were really surprised a little bit with him still being there because we thought he wouldve gone early in the second [round]. He was still there, and I think were fortunate to get a guy of his caliber.
Q: Are any of those five guys still available?
A: No. Theyre all gone.
Q: Why not move up a couple of spots to ensure you get the player you want?
A: We like using all of our picks, and weve moved up to get guys before and it hasnt worked out that great for us. Were a little bit leery of moving up and taking guys. Weve done that in the past and I dont think our success has been very good.
BBI 2012 Draft Review - ( New Window )
He wasn't way off base with his analysis of Randle.
Probably, and that's exactly why the Giants let him go. He has proven he has the talent & tools to play at a high level, but constantly makes mental errors. When he play the Giants, he will have his head in the game. Exactly he reason why he can go fuck himself.
OBJ drops the occasional TD, has an occassional meltdown, or gets taken out of a game from time to time but makes up for it with 6-7 monster games. Randle has one good game surrounded by 6-7 piss poor ones.
Good riddance.
Anquan Boldin!!!!
I mentioned his health as a plus. He was out there basically every week on a team plagued by injuries of all types.
I do not recall his consistent presence on the injury report either. He was healthy enough to dress and play, so what is this about his knees? Excuse making?
Guy was not that good. He can prove any of his doubters wrong with his play. I do not think that will happen and I am glad the Giants have decided to move on and give someone else a shot as the team's number two WR.
Which does not make me a fan. I dislike him if only because Eli took a lot of shit for errors and turnovers that can directly be laid at Randle's feet. In some drives, maybe many drives, Randle hurt us. But he helped us at times as well.
Mainly I'm a pragmatist. For as much as you can criticize him, you have to see if we are better or worse without him. Since we made no move to replace him and there is nothing out there that will replace him unless a high draft pick can step in immediately, IMO we are worse off.
Whether his failings are due to the injuries, poor focus, being slow, Or a combination of things I don't know. What I do know is right now having him and that scrub James Jones would make the WR depth look a lot better.
Our second best WR right now is Harris, who is better suited IMO as a 4th option.
I have not heard of the Giants approaching Randle at all this offseason so I would assume they didn't want him back at all and had a great reason.
He didn't make the team dramatically better and they won't be dramatically worse without him.
Hopefully they can find someone who will make them dramatically better.
Anybody can run the fucking tree.
His problem? It wasn't running the tree. He could run all of the routes without any explosion or sudden breaks.
Give me the guy with explosive movement or attacks the ball super-aggressively. Randle misses badly on both points. The team is not worse today. Unless the team you're talking about is the Eagles.
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...dramatically worse without him..."
He didn't make the team dramatically better and they won't be dramatically worse without him.
Hopefully they can find someone who will make them dramatically better.
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...dramatically worse without him..."
He didn't make the team dramatically better and they won't be dramatically worse without him.
Hopefully they can find someone who will make them dramatically better.
i totally mean it. And it's not a reflection of his ability. It's a reflection of the talent we have left
I guess that remains to be seen once we see the final roster and the season is underway but I keep coming back to McAdoo. I don't know what type of HC McAdoo will end up being but he is a good offensive football mind and I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have asked them to re-sign him if he believed losing him would make the team dramatically worse. I trust his judgment having been Randle's OC for these past couple of seasons.
LMAO.
Oh nos! How will we survive without Randle? How will lazy mediocrity, at best, be replaced?
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just increased a LOT.
Anquan Boldin!!!!
The Giants realistically had no interest in re-signing Randle, him signing with the Eagles in all likelihood had/has no impact on the Giants FA or draft plans. They might draft a WR like Treadwell or sign a FA like Boldin, but those moves have nothing to do with Randle who was not being considered to re-sign here.
Anquan Boldin!!!!!!
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way too much development needed and the bust potentials are higher. Don't get too caught up in the measurables. Guys like Fleener,Wright and even Alshon as much more NFL ready than those two.
Nice job, Joe.
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at $1 million he's a steal
He has all the physical tools but there's no one upstairs. If someone can push the right buttons he can be a solid number 2, but the fact that a 6'2", 210lb receiver who put up 128 catches for 1,700+ yards and 11 TDs over the last 2 seasons drew virtually no interest on the FA market and had to settle for what's basically a 1 year/1 mill deal says volumes about perceptions about him around the league.
What teams are basically saying is that his "numbers" were a bunch of hollow BS (what most of us on BBI have been saying) and a close investigation of the player would tell you he was an incredibly flawed player with all the warts we have been pointing out the last three seasons.
That would surprise me, but I am no expert. I will stand by my opinion that he just is not a guy you want starting.
His situation here was ideal, top QB, a number two option to across from one of the best play makers in the league, team believed in him by drafting and committing to him as a starter.
He did produce numbers on paper but something is missing. McAdoo was his OC and worked with him and the Giants did not even think about bringing him back. That speaks volumes.
So now he will go to the Eagles and play with a worse QB, in a new setting and will suddenly light it up?
Also, what is the deal with the knee excuse? Was he listed as hurt every week? He was out there, he has to perform. Guy gave up on the that pick in the Jet game, I thought maybe I was crazy when I was going ballistic watching it on TV, but then I heard Banks and Papa on the radio post game going on about it. He also did not layout for that bomb in NO. Now, those are just two examples but they stand out to me.
NO question we could all regret it but, I am convinced the Giants can do better. The front office of this team is convinced of hat as well.
Not exactly laughing, but knees plus recurrent brain issues keep me from regretting his departure. Giants needed a better #2 WR. Hope they wind up with one.
He was an UFA too and had plenty of action and quickly signed a huge deal for $35+ million. NFL is telling you he's nothing like a guy like Randle who had to settle for a terrible 2nd contract.
Fleener can get open in the NFL and make plays. His numbers will explode next year.
You mean to say that our first round pick in 2012 outperformed our second round pick?
He's nothing like Randle which the demand for his services and the contract proves. He got how much guaranteed? There's a reason for it. He showed an ability to get open and a game that works on an NFL field.
Nothing like Randle.
Yeah and so did the Giants by paying him 0
But how many INT's were directly his fault. He killed Eli's stats with his half a brain. Id put the over/under of INT's he has personally cost Eli at 15.
Im glad hes gone, if he didnt improve from year 1 through year 4, then he isnt all of a sudden going to break out with a lesser QB throwing to him in Philly.
And he wont see as much playing time in Philly either. They have a decent group, he wont be relied on as much like we relied on him after Cruz went down. So expect about 2-3 TD's out of him, but also expect about 2-3 INT's that will be directly his fault as well.
He's nothing like Randle which the demand for his services and the contract proves. He got how much guaranteed? There's a reason for it. He showed an ability to get open and a game that works on an NFL field.
Nothing like Randle.
You can't play the game where the money he got on the open market defines his ability as a player. You have three years of data of Fleener. He is what he is. New Orleans dumping a bunch of money on a contract doesn't mean much. New Orleans has been bungling their salary cap for a couple of years now. Fleener's guaranteed money isn't making the fact that he drops more passes than Larry Donnell go away.
But how many INT's were directly his fault. He killed Eli's stats with his half a brain. Id put the over/under of INT's he has personally cost Eli at 15.
Im glad hes gone, if he didnt improve from year 1 through year 4, then he isnt all of a sudden going to break out with a lesser QB throwing to him in Philly.
And he wont see as much playing time in Philly either. They have a decent group, he wont be relied on as much like we relied on him after Cruz went down. So expect about 2-3 TD's out of him, but also expect about 2-3 INT's that will be directly his fault as well.
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He has the talent to play ( 8 TD's last year) He also had Odell playing opposite him and Eli throwing to him ,even though he would be elsewhere running a different route half the time
But how many INT's were directly his fault. He killed Eli's stats with his half a brain. Id put the over/under of INT's he has personally cost Eli at 15.
Im glad hes gone, if he didnt improve from year 1 through year 4, then he isnt all of a sudden going to break out with a lesser QB throwing to him in Philly.
And he wont see as much playing time in Philly either. They have a decent group, he wont be relied on as much like we relied on him after Cruz went down. So expect about 2-3 TD's out of him, but also expect about 2-3 INT's that will be directly his fault as well.
Good post and analysis. Physically talented WR who did not fit into our scheme with ELI because he did not follow the routes and precision this QB needs (similar to his brother Peyton) . They throw timing patterns to spots. Great WR for Vick, other scramblers but not ELI.
Where do we see the Eagles having a "decent" group.
They have one slot guy....that's it at WR.
Fleener improved each of his years with Luck. His last year with him he was excellent. Very efficient for the number of snaps he played. Very high YPC. A lot of TDs. He showed he was a matchup advantage which is why he got the big money.
On the other hand, Randle proved he was an easy cover and no matchup advantage. Which is why no NFL team had any interest in signing the guy.
You had guys like Sanu, Matthews, Jones, Benjamin, all getting nice money. Randle got nothing. The reason? It's all about his play on an NFL fielld and what teams think he can do going forward.
Nobody was impressed or saw much with Randle.
Fleener impressed people who know how to watch the game.
Fleener is nothing like Randle. And the money proves it.
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If the kid's knees let him play, the Eagles did very well for what they paid even with the incentives.
Yeah and so did the Giants by paying him 0
I'll take it.
Both are tall receivers. Dable' has better speed. A draft pick like Treadwell would be an improvement.
I understand why the Giants moved on but would have been fine if they brought him back. This tells me they had no plans of bringing him back.
They have a plan. We just don't know for sure what it is.