Once again the presence of Jerry Reese at a pro-day has BBI divided on a potential draft day target. Leonard Floyd is a 6'6" 240+lb freak of nature, who shows a nose for the QB and some rare coverage ability for a big man. Even those who say "NO" to Floyd at #10 would never deny his physical talents, (in the 90th percentile for height, broad jump, and vertical jump) but there are legitimate questions.
1. What is his true position
2. What about the "lack" of production
3. Is he a reach at #10.
There should be a handful of highly rated players available at #10, including the CB Hargreaves, OT Stanley, and possibly the RB Elliot. The Giants could certainly use any of those players, but there are arguments against these three as well.
1. On Hargreaves, you can make the case he allowed far too many completions, and is more of a gambler vice a cover corner at the next level. Personally, I think Eli Apple fits better, but is not necessarily worthy a the #10 pick. Ranaan thinks it very well could be Hargreaves, and I tend to agree with Ranaan on most things, but I could see the Giants having some reservations about Hargreaves and going CB in round 2.
2. Stanley is a very good OT prospect, who probably is a better LT than a RT, but does that distinction really apply in the Giants offense or broadly in today's NFL. My reservation is that spending a total of 4 premium draft picks on the OL appears to be misuse of resources.
3. Similar to Sy56, Elliot makes a lot of sense to me if he is there at #10. He is versatile and has no holes in his game. I'd just be surprised to see him sitting there at #10.
Floyd would not be a throw the remote pick for me, but I certainly understand why many have expressed great doubt about how he fits with the Giants. I've linked a BBV article which spells out some of this history as to why Floyd might fit. To summarize, Jerry Reese has been looking for this type of player for a long time. A LB with blitz ability who can play on the outside on 1st and 2nd down, and rush the passer on 3rd down. First attempt was Sintim, Kiwi was moved to this position, and the Giants tried to grab O'Brien Scofield for the same reasons. I would also add that the return of Spags only places more importance on this role, given that he was the first one to move Kiwi to LOLB, while still rushing the passer from DE or DT on 3rd down. Additionally, Spags has reportedly adopted many of the Raven's defensive schemes, which frequently calls for this type of player at LOLB.
A friend of mine is well connected to the Georgia Bulldog football program, and often receives information/perspectives straight from the program. I asked him for some thoughts on Floyd and here are the main points:
- Freaskish athlete, 6'6, 240s (needs to add some weight)
- Can play OLB in a 3-4, 4-4, or LOLB in a 4-3. Able to play a down 4 technique, down 5 technique.
- Had 17 sacks in 32 games, all while operating in a defense that was based on getting the DTs to clog the middle and drop OLBs into coverage.
- The Georgia DC was no considered to be aggressive (total opposite of Spags) and the Bulldogs had a VERY weak secondary during Floyd's years.
- The NFL draft arguably overvalues pass rushers, and Floyd might get taken a few spots too high. However, if the Giants don't take him at #10, they will find it hard to find another prospect with his physical traits, athletic ability, natural pass rush ability, and upside.
- He is almost certainly the most natural and explosive pass rusher in the draft, and has the biggest upside. Still has room to grow.
Obviously, we will all form our own opinions. But I see the logic for Floyd at ten. If he is the selection, I think we need to keep in mind that Spags will use him in ways Georgia rarely did. And that might make all the difference.
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Give me Eli Apple. He'll play right off the bat and will be DRC's replacement in two years. Quick enough to play the slot and big enough to cover large WRs.
A case can be made, that he would be a superb slot defensive back.
Are we in the market for a slot corner in the first round? No
Has is been 32 years since a LB was chosen?
A case can be made, that he would be a superb slot defensive back.
Are we in the market for a slot corner in the first round? No
Has is been 32 years since a LB was chosen?
Yup. Carl Banks, 1984, #3 overall.
A case can be made, that he would be a superb slot defensive back.
Are we in the market for a slot corner in the first round? No
Has is been 32 years since a LB was chosen?
You say that with so much authority that it almost sounds like you know what the fuck you're talking about.
..but you don't.
I almost want them to draft one now just to have BBI shut the fuck up.
Give me Eli Apple. He'll play right off the bat and will be DRC's replacement in two years. Quick enough to play the slot and big enough to cover large WRs.
Apple at TEN?!?! no shot not a good pick, he isnt close to a shut down corner like ramsey...at ten you need to draft a game changer he is just an average cover guy not good value at ten...
In 2007, I thought Kiwi could have been a pro-bowl SAM but injuries - his and other's prevented that from happening.
2007 - 1st year as a LB, gets hurt but shows flashes.
2008 - Has to move back to DE.
2009 - All of defense was a disaster. Not sure if he played linebacker or not. I don't remember him doing so.
2010 - Really flashed and I thought his career would take off as Fewell (yes, I said it) used him very creatively.
His career never really took off after that. He was a solid role player in 2011 and then went significantly downhill.
That said, Kiwi was nowhere near the athlete that Floyd was. If used correctly as a SAM, he would be on the line of scrimmage taking on the tightend. Too often, they played him off the line. This is where Floyd would seem to excel. He isn't the guy to take on blocks but better used in space.
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Give me Eli Apple. He'll play right off the bat and will be DRC's replacement in two years. Quick enough to play the slot and big enough to cover large WRs.
Apple at TEN?!?! no shot not a good pick, he isnt close to a shut down corner like ramsey...at ten you need to draft a game changer he is just an average cover guy not good value at ten...
While I think Apple is a darkhorse at #10, you are underrating him. He has some real ability, could be a top corner in the NFL.
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but we generally have no idea what to do with them. Pass.
Give me Eli Apple. He'll play right off the bat and will be DRC's replacement in two years. Quick enough to play the slot and big enough to cover large WRs.
Apple at TEN?!?! no shot not a good pick, he isnt close to a shut down corner like ramsey...at ten you need to draft a game changer he is just an average cover guy not good value at ten...
While I think Apple is a darkhorse at #10, you are underrating him. He has some real ability, could be a top corner in the NFL.
top corner in the NFL!?!?! are you his agent lol
man thats a bold statement.
still not crazy about the pick at 10, CB isnt a bigger need and i think in this draft at ten we will find a nice mix of need plus BPA
Remember, they drafted Sintum in round 2 because they thought he could be that type player, he was a bust, and they tried to use a former first round pick in that role, but he was not real effective. Kiwi.
So there is no way you can say never if they believe in the player, do they believe in Floyd, I have no idea.
Kiwi was put at SLB because he was too good to be in the bench. He was one of the best 6 players on our defense. Hence the move to Sam
Floyd was a nonfactor, He is the Workout warrior of this draft.
I dont like taking a RT at 10 either. Seems like that position should be able to be filled in a later round, but I would prefer him over Floyd.
Does Hargreaves project to be better than Prince? Better than Jenkins? Both are good players, neither are elite CBs, does he have a chance to be in their league? If yes, he is worth the #10 pick.
I think Elliott is awesome, but like the RT position, they shouldn't need to spend that high of a pick on a RB. If they did, I would prefer that to Floyd.
I dont understand the tepid opinions of Shaq Lawson. Big, agile guy, with a proven motor, who gets to the QB. Played injured in the national championship and got 2 sacks. I like the guy. He makes too much sense. I dont care if they paid Vernon. The Giants need to never be in the position they have been in the past 2 years, where they dont have pass rushers. Defenses end up where the Giants defense has ended the past 2 years, when they dont have pass rushers. I don want the Giants trying to manufacture a pass rush with a LB, that is what DEs and hopefully DTs are for. Get a LB to tackle and cover. Play 2 LBs and an extra DB much of the time. Get the DEs to bring the pressure. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel here. If they want that kind of versatility they should just change to a 3-4. They need to be what they are, just get better players to be that, and they have spent a lot off money to make that happen.
You watch the highlight tapes, you see someone else. Someone worthy of a pick at ten.
Think if you're going to pick him, you need a definitive plan. Imo, run support will always be an issue. He's not a young kid who's body has yet to mature or overall skill set still needs time to develop. He'll be 24 in Sept.
LOL- he looks like a young LT in that highlight video.
The guy didn't even bench at the combine or his pro day (which he didn't finish). I would not be surprised to find out there are a lot of wide receivers substantially stronger than him.
He isn't Clint (4.8 40) Sintim. He is not similar to Von Miller or Anthony Barr either. He isn't even Dontay Moch.
He is an insanely athletic WLB who has the body of a wide receiver. But hey he gained 20 pounds after the season so now he must be perfect.
We need a guy to limit TEs but he'd also need to limit opposing running games. Natural pass rushing + cover skills is a nice combo but he needs to get a lot stronger and if that happens it will depend on how much quickness he loses.
This guy scares the hell out of me because people keep forecasting him doing this and that that most LBs can't do. Well, I'm not sure he can deliver. He is SUCH a tweener. His pass rush comes from the blitz. I think he is going to get gobbled by blockers