It appears we're not going to bring anyone in & let Berhe, Jackson, & Thompson battle it out to see who is lining up next to Collins. None of these guys have really ever shown anything & all were injured last year.
Obviously the Giants know more than me, but it seems like a pretty big gamble. The safety position wasn't exactly a position of strength last year.
Prob bc of the same reason why no other team is interested in Nelson
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I really don't know why we're not interested in Reggie Nelson.
Prob bc of the same reason why no other team is interested in Nelson
Which is what?
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His age and the fact that he wants a multi year contract.
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I really don't know why we're not interested in Reggie Nelson.
Prob bc of the same reason why no other team is interested in Nelson
Which is what?
We just spent an unprecedented amount on FAs so we aren't going to jump at any big contracts at this point. Nelson is going to be 33 at the start of the season. He would be my choice as the short term answer, but we are being more careful with the money now that we got the top young talent we targeted.
Jackson looks like he can play FS, but he looked like an injury waiting to happen...and then it did. He's coming off ACL surgery. I don't like Behre's range for what skill set we need to pair with Collins.
I don't believe we will go into the season with this group competing for the other starting safety spot.
This team has more holes than ten tons of Swiss cheese. They need more and better players all over the place and they are not going to be able to fill all the holes this year.
At Safety they at least have several young warm bodies, most of them drafted, and one or two of whom might actually develop into decent players.
Compare that to positions like OT where they have Flowers, Newhouse, and some guys most fans have never even heard of. They absolutely have to get quality reinforcements here.
Or to DE where you need at least four solid players to keep the pass rush effective but they only have Vernon, JPP on a one year deal, an unproven and somewhat injury-prone Owa, 5th guy who doesn't provide much pass rush in Wynn and a couple of guys who failed to impress on their previous team. They really need another solid pass rusher here.
Or the ongoing headache at LB. Or the quartet of NFL nobodies at TE. Or Beckham and the stack of question marks at WR. And the questions at RG, back up C, CB depth, and even PK.
They need to address a lot of these other positions more than Safety.
id say Clady from denver is a pretty nice name.
I think it's fine that they believe in these guys, but I don't think it's prudent to COUNT on them.
The Giants don't give a shit about what anyone thinks.
I honestly don't think we are the only team in the league who have youngsters they want to see what they have before they panic to replace them. I'm wiling to bet they've seen something in them that we haven't, being that they've coached them and believe in their potential.
Safeties coach Dave Merritt excited - ( New Window )
Then it all clicked and he was regularly one of the best CBs in the league.
Plus, Giants will sign a low-cost vet and draft another safety. Collins should also be much better. He was awful last year playing out of position and learning the system.
Giants philosophy is to generate a fierce pass rush and play 2 deep. Not hard to find two-deep safeties
Then it all clicked and he was regularly one of the best CBs in the league.
Plus, Giants will sign a low-cost vet and draft another safety. Collins should also be much better. He was awful last year playing out of position and learning the system.
Giants philosophy is to generate a fierce pass rush and play 2 deep. Not hard to find two-deep safeties.
Second, out of all the questionable positions we need to upgrade I consider the talent at FS to be the best. Jackson and Behre, plus potentially a veteran FA, are much stronger than Newhouse at RT (for example). Jackson has looked ok when not hurt, and Behre looks good too.
I have a feeling that Justin Simmons from BC is a FS they like, maybe 3rd or 4th round pick. Pretty good range and size, special team gunner and might be able to play nickel CB
I know "nothing is happening" but that doesn't mean the front office is off drinking margaritas in Cancun. It's a process, and it doesn't happen at Internet speed.
More worrisome is that the front office doesn't have a proven record of succeeding at that process.
Second, out of all the questionable positions we need to upgrade I consider the talent at FS to be the best. Jackson and Behre, plus potentially a veteran FA, are much stronger than Newhouse at RT (for example). Jackson has looked ok when not hurt, and Behre looks good too.
Berhe didn't play at all last season and neither did Jackson and the main experience Jackson has is on special teams.
It's mind-boggling how this organization can be confident in Thompson, Jackson and Berhe. First off, they didn't play last year as they were injured. Second, they weren't exactly high draft picks. Third, they might not even be that good to begin with. There's no reason to believe that they can fill in adequately at the starting FS spot. You can say the coaches and organization know something we don't, but you can't tell me that there's any real reason to believe that these three have the ability to be the starting FS. None. Even if they do end up playing well next year at FS if they start, it will still be considered a foolish gamble.
There are obvious causes to having the worst defense of all time. Some of those causes have been addressed; others, not so. However the status quo at FS apparently works for their DC.
How may Giants have been pleasant surprises lately? Beckham, I guess, just because he is so good. Will Tye and Larry Donnell. Nikita Whitlock. Trumaine McBride and Trevin Wade, I guess.
Not enough of those. They need a bunch in 2016.
Honest question - is June 1st even really an actual cut day anymore now that teams can designate a cut as a 6/1 cut ahead of time? Haven't all the 6/1 cuts been cut already?
That's not to say that there won't be competent players that still shake loose between now and the start of the season, but is 6/1 a valuable marker at all anymore?
I can see (possibly) the following possibilities:
Broncos Clady for RT / LT?
SF's RT Anthony Davis
FS tbd
WR tbd
Maybe even a draft day trade?? Who knows, but we have money, have holes, and no way we are done doing moves!
Woot Woot!
I am assuming that what the Giants wanted to pay for a veteran FA like Nelson, Johnson or any of the others they were considering did not match well with what they were asking for or something would already have happened. I think there are reinforcements on the way.
There is still time and money available to rectify the situation. Hopefully the FO hasn't conned themselves into believeing throwing a bunch of bodies at the problem is the solution.
So what would you call Treblinka or Dachau?
What's more I have less now than I did then. Behre lost an entire season to a calf injury and has no succesful track record to bank on. And he's the best option of the three. Thompson off an Achilles injury? Give me a break. How many serious injuries is it now for Bennett Jackson? Ugh.
You seriously believe these guys afford the fans any peace of mind for the 2016 season?
It's time to invest some real resources at the position. be it monetary or draft related. Enough already.