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Anyone else concerned about what we're doing at safety?

SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/2/2016 12:12 pm
It appears we're not going to bring anyone in & let Berhe, Jackson, & Thompson battle it out to see who is lining up next to Collins. None of these guys have really ever shown anything & all were injured last year.

Obviously the Giants know more than me, but it seems like a pretty big gamble. The safety position wasn't exactly a position of strength last year.
I think they will bring in veteran safety help and might take one in  
BLUATHRT : 4/2/2016 12:18 pm : link
the draft. Jackson was looking good before his injury last preseason.
Extremely concerned.  
Anakim : 4/2/2016 12:21 pm : link
I really don't know why we're not interested in Reggie Nelson.
RE: Extremely concerned.  
Rory : 4/2/2016 12:28 pm : link
In comment 12885334 Anakim said:
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I really don't know why we're not interested in Reggie Nelson.


Prob bc of the same reason why no other team is interested in Nelson
Seems like they are doing the same thing  
ANGPASS : 4/2/2016 12:28 pm : link
with WR2
RE: RE: Extremely concerned.  
Anakim : 4/2/2016 12:29 pm : link
In comment 12885337 Rory said:
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In comment 12885334 Anakim said:


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I really don't know why we're not interested in Reggie Nelson.



Prob bc of the same reason why no other team is interested in Nelson


Which is what?
More concerned with  
est1986 : 4/2/2016 12:39 pm : link
Right Tackle, Number 2 Wideout, and Slot Corner. Free safety is about as much of a need as running back, middle linebacker, and right guard. We could use more talent their but it's not as vital as the previous positions I mentioned.
Yes.  
Bryan : 4/2/2016 12:40 pm : link
Count me in as among those concerned.
Nope. Because....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/2/2016 12:40 pm : link
....I've heard things.
Have been  
Joey in VA : 4/2/2016 12:51 pm : link
Since Rolle walked and was not replaced. I'm utterly flabbergasted at the lack of action in certain areas.
RE: RE: RE: Extremely concerned.  
TyFromQueens : 4/2/2016 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12885341 Anakim said:
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In comment 12885337 Rory said:


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In comment 12885334 Anakim said:


His age and the fact that he wants a multi year contract.

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I really don't know why we're not interested in Reggie Nelson.



Prob bc of the same reason why no other team is interested in Nelson



Which is what?
Yes  
spike : 4/2/2016 1:01 pm : link
They should have gone all in for McCourty. Make an offer he can't refuse
Don't believe everything you read  
gersh : 4/2/2016 1:04 pm : link
It only makes sense that we have been in contact with Reggie Nelson. And it only makes sense that his demands are still too high.

We just spent an unprecedented amount on FAs so we aren't going to jump at any big contracts at this point. Nelson is going to be 33 at the start of the season. He would be my choice as the short term answer, but we are being more careful with the money now that we got the top young talent we targeted.

Jackson looks like he can play FS, but he looked like an injury waiting to happen...and then it did. He's coming off ACL surgery. I don't like Behre's range for what skill set we need to pair with Collins.

I don't believe we will go into the season with this group competing for the other starting safety spot.
You mean the inactivity at the safety position  
Carson53 : 4/2/2016 1:12 pm : link
A resounding YES!
Not really.  
Red Dog : 4/2/2016 1:21 pm : link
I would have liked to see them bring in a seasoned vet, but it didn't happen.

This team has more holes than ten tons of Swiss cheese. They need more and better players all over the place and they are not going to be able to fill all the holes this year.

At Safety they at least have several young warm bodies, most of them drafted, and one or two of whom might actually develop into decent players.

Compare that to positions like OT where they have Flowers, Newhouse, and some guys most fans have never even heard of. They absolutely have to get quality reinforcements here.

Or to DE where you need at least four solid players to keep the pass rush effective but they only have Vernon, JPP on a one year deal, an unproven and somewhat injury-prone Owa, 5th guy who doesn't provide much pass rush in Wynn and a couple of guys who failed to impress on their previous team. They really need another solid pass rusher here.

Or the ongoing headache at LB. Or the quartet of NFL nobodies at TE. Or Beckham and the stack of question marks at WR. And the questions at RG, back up C, CB depth, and even PK.

They need to address a lot of these other positions more than Safety.
Don't worry  
XBRONX : 4/2/2016 1:22 pm : link
the front office is ready to pounce after the draft and June 1st for some really good safety to get cut. That's the word. Love someone to come up with just one name.
RE: Don't worry  
Gmen108021 : 4/2/2016 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12885377 XBRONX said:
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the front office is ready to pounce after the draft and June 1st for some really good safety to get cut. That's the word. Love someone to come up with just one name.


id say Clady from denver is a pretty nice name.
Concerned? On April 2? Not in the least.  
Klaatu : 4/2/2016 1:27 pm : link
I'll wait until April 11, when we see where we are with our walking wounded.
I am very concerned about  
Reb8thVA : 4/2/2016 1:36 pm : link
The inaction in several areas. Safety is one of them but I am hoping that improvements to the pass rush through FA and the draft will mask the deficiency at the position, at least until next year.
Concerned alot  
Mike B from JC : 4/2/2016 1:38 pm : link
3 guys that lwere hurt. Jackson hurt both years in the league. Berhe is not a fs and Thompson, who knows? Serious Achilles injury. Should have got a vet awhile ago. Nelson and powers would stop us having to draft a s and slot cb this year.
RT and WR2 concern me more  
Torn Tendon : 4/2/2016 1:39 pm : link
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Gmen  
XBRONX : 4/2/2016 1:40 pm : link
Clady is a little slow to play safety.
Everybody is  
David B. : 4/2/2016 1:40 pm : link
Including the press.

I think it's fine that they believe in these guys, but I don't think it's prudent to COUNT on them.

The Giants don't give a shit about what anyone thinks.
I'm not concerned...  
Hampton27 : 4/2/2016 1:43 pm : link
I'd be more concerned about a team giving up on 3 young safety's before they had a chance to prove themselves. Injuries can happen any given Sunday, and with 3 young athletes at the position, I don't believe that the sky is falling until we give them a chance in training camp, preseason, etc. It isn't as if they aren't familiar with the defense, they are ahead of the curve in that regard. I don't see a can't miss stud out there anywhere who is a better option.

I honestly don't think we are the only team in the league who have youngsters they want to see what they have before they panic to replace them. I'm wiling to bet they've seen something in them that we haven't, being that they've coached them and believe in their potential.
Safeties coach Dave Merritt....  
Hampton27 : 4/2/2016 1:50 pm : link
"I have no concerns".


Safeties coach Dave Merritt excited - ( New Window )
We don't see these guys in practice  
Vanzetti : 4/2/2016 1:59 pm : link
The coaches do. Corey Webster was dreadful his first few years. Always injured, sucked when he got on the field..

Then it all clicked and he was regularly one of the best CBs in the league.

Plus, Giants will sign a low-cost vet and draft another safety. Collins should also be much better. He was awful last year playing out of position and learning the system.

Giants philosophy is to generate a fierce pass rush and play 2 deep. Not hard to find two-deep safeties
We don't see these guys in practice  
Vanzetti : 4/2/2016 1:59 pm : link
The coaches do. Corey Webster was dreadful his first few years. Always injured, sucked when he got on the field..

Then it all clicked and he was regularly one of the best CBs in the league.

Plus, Giants will sign a low-cost vet and draft another safety. Collins should also be much better. He was awful last year playing out of position and learning the system.

Giants philosophy is to generate a fierce pass rush and play 2 deep. Not hard to find two-deep safeties.
Merrit  
Mike B from JC : 4/2/2016 2:04 pm : link
Is going to change his tune if all three go down with injury again. You can't prove yourself when you're on injured reserve. You need a good veteran backup plan. Right now nothing. I won't be surprised if they go Floyd at 10 and von Bell at 40.
Not so much  
PatersonPlank : 4/2/2016 2:17 pm : link
First I think they'll bring in a veteran to compete.
Second, out of all the questionable positions we need to upgrade I consider the talent at FS to be the best. Jackson and Behre, plus potentially a veteran FA, are much stronger than Newhouse at RT (for example). Jackson has looked ok when not hurt, and Behre looks good too.
The Giants have every  
ZGiants98 : 4/2/2016 2:28 pm : link
intention of bringing in another vet like Meriweather(last year) to compete with the youngsters eventually. We likely draft another safety somewhere also. Im over it. Get me a RT, WR, and CB early on draft day and Ill be pretty happy.
We're  
AcidTest : 4/2/2016 2:44 pm : link
not doing anything at safety. The Giants seem content with what they have, plus the draft, and later FAs. I’m not sure I agree with that plan.
I was hoping for Gipson at the start of FA  
Rjanyg : 4/2/2016 3:00 pm : link
But they invested in the DL and CB position.

I have a feeling that Justin Simmons from BC is a FS they like, maybe 3rd or 4th round pick. Pretty good range and size, special team gunner and might be able to play nickel CB
RE: We're  
81_Great_Dane : 4/2/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12885485 AcidTest said:
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not doing anything at safety. The Giants seem content with what they have, plus the draft, and later FAs. I’m not sure I agree with that plan.
Free agency isn't over. The price will come down on some veteran free agents as time goes on. The Giants may feel that right now the asking price for the available talent is too high. They may be at the point where they need to see what they get in the draft before they sign anyone. Then there will be June 1 cuts, camp cuts, etc. The goal isn't to have the roster set in April, it's to have it set in August.

I know "nothing is happening" but that doesn't mean the front office is off drinking margaritas in Cancun. It's a process, and it doesn't happen at Internet speed.

More worrisome is that the front office doesn't have a proven record of succeeding at that process.
81  
XBRONX : 4/2/2016 3:17 pm : link
agree with your last sentence. If you look at the off season so far, nothing added at QB,RB.FB,FS. OLB, FS, nickel CB. Outside of DL and replacing Prince they added a MLB. Thats it. You cant fill all positions but Reese has done very little.
Concerned...Not yet  
Larry in Pencilvania : 4/2/2016 3:18 pm : link
We've all heard this same dread, concern and argument when they got rid of Luke Petitgout and when Tiki Barber retired. They went with young and unproven and those worked out fine. Reese MUST must hit on those late round picks. I will be very concerned if a solution at Safety, WR and RT haven't been worked out by pre-season, whether through drafting or FA
RE: Not so much  
Anakim : 4/2/2016 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12885453 PatersonPlank said:
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First I think they'll bring in a veteran to compete.
Second, out of all the questionable positions we need to upgrade I consider the talent at FS to be the best. Jackson and Behre, plus potentially a veteran FA, are much stronger than Newhouse at RT (for example). Jackson has looked ok when not hurt, and Behre looks good too.


Berhe didn't play at all last season and neither did Jackson and the main experience Jackson has is on special teams.

It's mind-boggling how this organization can be confident in Thompson, Jackson and Berhe. First off, they didn't play last year as they were injured. Second, they weren't exactly high draft picks. Third, they might not even be that good to begin with. There's no reason to believe that they can fill in adequately at the starting FS spot. You can say the coaches and organization know something we don't, but you can't tell me that there's any real reason to believe that these three have the ability to be the starting FS. None. Even if they do end up playing well next year at FS if they start, it will still be considered a foolish gamble.
Merritt mentioned  
RetroJint : 4/2/2016 3:38 pm : link
Jackson, most prominently, with the other two being secondary. Spagnuolo must be high on Jackson. He has been calling the shots personnel-wise, and has been since last summer with the Dahl-for-Stevie Brown adjustment. I imagine he would like another pass rusher and a corner. They're still light on defense. They have a front four in place with, really, no accomplished linebackers, 2 good corners and a strong safety that Merritt mentioned was mis-used during his rookie season.

There are obvious causes to having the worst defense of all time. Some of those causes have been addressed; others, not so. However the status quo at FS apparently works for their DC.
IMO They will not sign a veteran Safety...  
Mike53 : 4/2/2016 5:21 pm : link
Until the middle of camp. They are waiting to see if Burhe, Thompson, Currie or Jackson can produce at that position. They were all on IR last season. I hope it doesn't bite us in the butt.
I think the idea of being confident in your players is overrated.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/2/2016 5:24 pm : link
Most teams have a lot of question marks most off-seasons. It's not a matter of being confident in everybody, especially in April. It's a matter of whether some of the guys you're not confident in step up and become pleasant surprises.

How may Giants have been pleasant surprises lately? Beckham, I guess, just because he is so good. Will Tye and Larry Donnell. Nikita Whitlock. Trumaine McBride and Trevin Wade, I guess.

Not enough of those. They need a bunch in 2016.
RE: Don't worry  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/2/2016 8:47 pm : link
In comment 12885377 XBRONX said:
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the front office is ready to pounce after the draft and June 1st for some really good safety to get cut. That's the word. Love someone to come up with just one name.

Honest question - is June 1st even really an actual cut day anymore now that teams can designate a cut as a 6/1 cut ahead of time? Haven't all the 6/1 cuts been cut already?

That's not to say that there won't be competent players that still shake loose between now and the start of the season, but is 6/1 a valuable marker at all anymore?
We will find depth in the draft for WR #2, FS and OL  
SGMen : 4/2/2016 9:03 pm : link
But I think our potential UFA signings will come AFTER the draft and / or after the June 1st cuts are in the hopper.

I can see (possibly) the following possibilities:

Broncos Clady for RT / LT?
SF's RT Anthony Davis

FS tbd
WR tbd

Maybe even a draft day trade?? Who knows, but we have money, have holes, and no way we are done doing moves!

Woot Woot!
FS is a pit in a black hole right now...  
Torrag : 4/3/2016 12:42 am : link
The FO is fuggin nutz if they hang there hat on any combo of Behre, Thompson, Jackson et al to play at a high level. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD sign or draft a legitimate talent to man the critical centerfield playmaker role in our secondary. PLEASE!!!!!!!!
The problem at safety  
johnboyw : 4/3/2016 10:15 am : link
I am a little concerned right now but I do think they will address it in the draft and in the post draft cut period. Right now they are relying on three guys who have no NFL experience at the position and two of those are converted corners. Not the answer no matter what the party line is and they know it.
I am assuming that what the Giants wanted to pay for a veteran FA like Nelson, Johnson or any of the others they were considering did not match well with what they were asking for or something would already have happened. I think there are reinforcements on the way.
Reese may actually be putting his career as Giants GM on the line  
Jersey55 : 4/3/2016 10:16 am : link
by not addressing the free safety position, he has rolled the dice at safety in years passed and failed to produce so I would be surprised if he puts himself in that spot again.....
It's too soon to be concerned  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/3/2016 10:18 am : link
... let's see what the rest of the off-season brings
Berhe will be good, but  
SHO'NUFF : 4/3/2016 10:57 am : link
he and Landon Collins are the same type of player. Berhe is smarter, though.
Yes - right up there with RT  
TD : 4/3/2016 11:36 am : link
Scratching my head, here..
Very concerned...right now  
guineaT : 4/3/2016 12:04 pm : link
As it stands I doubt we'll get quality FS play from the usual unproven, oft injured suspects.

There is still time and money available to rectify the situation. Hopefully the FO hasn't conned themselves into believeing throwing a bunch of bodies at the problem is the solution.
What the point of worrying?  
UConn4523 : 4/3/2016 12:06 pm : link
people make it seem like the FO doesn't know the position exists. So many variables and they haven't been interested in the old vets that people on this site scream for.
4523  
guineaT : 4/3/2016 12:12 pm : link
While there is still time to fortify the position if you've tracked the commentary coming from inside the Giants organization it's troubling. There's a lot of 'we think we've got players in house' that can do that job schtick etc. Now this could just be them putting lipstick on a pig but following the atrocities perpetrated on the fanbase at the FS position last season we just don't want to hear it.
Atrocities perpetrated on the fanbase last year?  
BlueLou : 4/3/2016 2:10 pm : link
Are you Fooking serious? 3 guys go down to season ending injuries amounts to "perpetrating atrocities?"

So what would you call Treblinka or Dachau?
In football terms, which is what BBI is about...  
Torrag : 4/3/2016 3:40 pm : link
...last seasons FS play was atrocious. That isn't debatable. It was as poor a display by a single position as I've ever witnessed in decades as a Giants fan. Bar none. There is a place for 'Holocaust' sensitivity, as there is a place for the 'history' of slavery in America and many other emotional issues. I haven't read anything on this thread to feel that was infringed upon.
Torrag - 3 young guys going down for the entire season due to  
BlueLou : 4/3/2016 3:45 pm : link
injuries is an anomaly. Not an atrocity, no matter how bad the "off the street" guys played in their place...
Lou  
Torrag : 4/3/2016 3:50 pm : link
I had and have no confidence in the 'three young men' you seem to think will provide an answer at the FS position. None.

What's more I have less now than I did then. Behre lost an entire season to a calf injury and has no succesful track record to bank on. And he's the best option of the three. Thompson off an Achilles injury? Give me a break. How many serious injuries is it now for Bennett Jackson? Ugh.

You seriously believe these guys afford the fans any peace of mind for the 2016 season?

It's time to invest some real resources at the position. be it monetary or draft related. Enough already.
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