Not sure of the posters credibility but interesting tidbits nonetheless.
"Breaking Insider Information!!!
I have a buddy in the Giants FO. Every once in a while he'll drop me some knowledge of what's going on on the inside of the Giants Organization. Here is what I was able to get from him on the draft.
- Ramsey is the #1 guy on their board by far. They expect him yo go in the first 3 picks. However if he makes it to 3 the Giants will be on the phone making sure San Diego is where he is going. If SD doesn't plan in drafting him the Giants will try to trade up and get him to play S and keep him out of the Cowboys hands.
- Hargreaves and Floyd are the targets. Hargreaves is the higher rated prospect but he told me either of the two will make them happy. They like Floyd's versatility a lot. Spags wants him blitzing from every angle. Plus the ability of Him, Kennard, and Thomas to play multiple LB spots gives them flexibility.
- They a very confident that their 2nd round pick will be a good one. They are very high on a number of guys. They want to develop one of their younflg safties but they do love both Karl Joseph and Vonn Bell. They love bells coverage ability while they like what Joseph does both in the run and pass game. They also are EXPLORING Hunter Henry the TE from Arkansas. He isn't the top guy but they won't be mad if he is the best guy on the board by then.
- There will be an offensive lineman drafted within the first 3 rounds. They like tackle Taylor Decker a lot but think he can be had in the 2nd. Another guy they like is Cody Whitehair. They don't believe he can't play RT.
- On Reggie Ragland - "We think he can definitely play and it makes sense with Landon but at the same time he is much like Jasper and we've been trying to add a new dimension with our LB core. We want faster, quicker, more agile guys. That's not to say we WONT draft him. You never know how the board is gonna fall."
- The Giants have been keeping an eye on RBs Alex Collins, Kenyan Drake, and Keith Marshall. They think Alex can be that solid back that takes the load while they like the explosive ability of both Drake and Marshall and that they have low mileage on them
- They also aren't opposed to adding another guy on the interior of the D-line. "There is so much talent there. We can get a good guy to solidify that middle. We've gone lot of bodies there as is though." Andrew Billings is a guy they love because of his age and upside. Being just 20 there isn't a rush for him to be immediately on the field and he can eventually replace Hankins. They see Kenny Clark of UCLA as a guy that reminds them of Linval Joseph and love the ability of Vernon Butler and Maliek Collins to penetrate as 3ts. "We spent a lot on Harrison. A lot. But we feel good about it. He seems enthusiastic."
- On Nkemdiche: "Man. If he's there in the 2nd. We will be having a lot of Internal discussions."
- on WRs the only name that really came up were Sterling Shepard, Leonte Carroo, and Braxton Miller."
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One wonders if they consider Hargreaves a possible conversion project to FS.
That's the part that makes this asshattery look like an April 1st edition.
But then there is this that he posted later:
"He didn't tell me any late round guys. Wanted to keep those to himself." This statement is highly suspect, IMO. So the guy spills a lot of info about their plans for the top of the draft including blockbuster trade and specific targets... but those late round flier types are a lock down secret.
Sounds a bit more like someone having fun making something up but only really knows the day 1 day 2 prospects.
Sheppard
Would be a haul.
Speed does not equal NFL success. We all remember Tim Carter. Its not easy to sharpen up in the NFL. Corners are too good. With Cruz's future in complete limbo we need a solid #2 wr not a take this guy and cross our fingers.
Thanks Rick. Interesting.
Floyd
Joseph/Bell
Carroo
Carroo has the best hands in the draft. Solid 40, broad jump & vertical. He's a very good blocker with a very high yards per catch. Isn't the greatest route runner, but that's the problem with most rookie WRs.
McAdoo won't even share whether or not he'll be calling the plays next year, in the hopes of getting a slight advantage. Do you really think that the Giants' brain trust wouldn't lay the law down to everyone in the organization with access to their draft strategy not to share these secrets?
Sharing last-minute information on free agent signings is one thing. Sharing draft strategy three weeks before the event is quite another.
Just not buying this asshat info.
2. Henry or Decker
3. Shepard
4. Simmons
I would like this draft
Carroo is good though. Would be the perfect complement to Odell IMO. Don't have to deal with drops. Also a very good blocker. Can find the end zone & is good after the catch. In the 3rd round you aren't finding many WRs better then him.
That's the same for every position. If we draft an OT in the 3rd you can name 10 better then him. I can't name 10 better then Carroo. Here are the WRs I'd take ahead of him Treadwell, Coleman, Doctson, Michael Thomas, Sterling Shepard & Tyler Boyd & Will Fuller.
Some would include Braxton Miller, but he is too raw. I like him, but Carroo is an NFL ready WR right now. Miller has at least a year or two.
Unless he pans out.. Duh.
But this year with many players after the top 5 or so rated roughly even I imagine the run up to the draft will have more than too much mis information this year
So basically he's a consensus top 10 WR. If you watch him you'd see he was a very good WR who is good after the catch, has great hands, very good blocker and has a great YPC average. While being the only threat on the team.
The original post doesn't ring true however. The only WRs are "on WRs the only name that really came up were Sterling Shepard, Leonte Carroo, and Braxton Miller." even though the GM went specifically to watch Treadwell's pro day? Sure.
Or if they did have interest in him & went to his Pro Day. They might not have interest anymore.
They can't ignore OT, that's flat out dooming the season.
Any word yet on if Cowher and the Giants FO have come to an agreement on the power structure??
EA would squeal to the media like a little school girl where Reese is a stone faced poker player and says little to nothing. The front office has been on lockdown since Reese took over. I don't believe anything comes out of that office
Asshat info from Giants message board
muhajir : 2:54 am
Not sure of the posters credibility but interesting tidbits nonetheless.
I get a little leery of 3AM, Asshattery posts
"They don't believe he can't play RT." Not exactly a ringing endorsement that he CAN play RT.
He's not the next Von Miller, he's a dud.
Also, if your friend actually has involvement with the Giants, let's hope he gets fired as it will improve our future drafts regarding showing our hand.
Most of what he says has been mentioned long ago. Hargreaves was mentioned in the first wave of FA immediately after Jenkins signed. Everyone knows just about every team has Ramsey at the top of their board. The floyd interest is well documented for weeks along with the obvious reasoning
the commentary around 2nd/3rd round types is at least interesting and worth discussion.
Great slot corner now, likely a #1 outside corner after DRC leaves, possibly a FS too
Floyd still makes no sense and Reese is falling back into the bad habit of considering combine warriors over football players
To those who say that Floyd is just a work out warrior, his pass rushing skills and cover ability are aguablythe best in the draft among LB. His first 2 steps in his pass rush is faster than any prospect in this years draft. It is okay not to like him as a player but to misrepresent his ability only limits your credibility.
But some of this stuff sounds made up,who cares if the Cowboys get Ramsey.
Sheppard
Fills three holes right away. Grab Clady from Denver and then change Decker for teammate Von Bell and that's four holes fixed right away.
Here is what McAdoo has said: "We need to do what's in the best long-term interest of the New York Giants and find some right pieces to add to the mix."
Basically what they have said and done does not support win-now. It supports building something lasting.
Realistically, VH3, Ronnie Stanley or Zeke Elliott at #10 would make me extremely happy. Anyone else and I'd be pretty bummed out. If either Wentz or Goff fall to #10, I would explore a trade down. A QB-needy team might pay a hefty price in order to leapfrog the Bears and draft their future franchise QB.
Um, they had money to spend and still have a lot left. If it was win now they could have gone aggressively after several other players, but didn't.
None of the players they signed are win now players. They signed young players with upside. There were lots of players available at positions of need that fit the win now mold, but none of them were signed to contracts. The facts don't support your statement.
1) they did not empty their wallet. Still have space left
2) signed no older players even though there were players available in positions of need who could have helped.
Sorry, this doesn't support the win now argument, no matter how much we may believe so.
1) they did not empty their wallet. Still have space left
2) signed no older players even though there were players available in positions of need who could have helped.
Sorry, this doesn't support the win now argument, no matter how much we may believe so.
I'd like to think it shows incompetence :)
Thankfully they have more sense than some here.
Thankfully they have more sense than some here.
Huh? How would "blowing" a few million (which we have) on short-term deals on aging BUT ABLE (and MUCH better than what we have now) players be incompetent? If anything, that's the kind of things we should be exploring.
And we're not a year away. We're in the NFC Least. Did you see how the division played last year? The fucking Washington franchise won the division last year and they stunk to high heavens. If we signed Reggie Nelson and Anquan Boldin to one or two year deals, it would instantly upgrade the talent on this team, while filling gaping holes and would be extremely low-risk, high-reward signings. Incompetent is going forward with Berhe, Jackson and Thompson, who are all injury-prone, extremely inexperienced and, to be frank, not very good to begin with.
No shit. And I really don't know why and frankly, neither does anyone else on here. It could be age. It could be money. It could how many years. it could be play. None of us know because nothing has been reported about it. We can only speculate.
None of the players they signed are win now players. They signed young players with upside. There were lots of players available at positions of need that fit the win now mold, but none of them were signed to contracts. The facts don't support your statement.
Who says in order for it to qualify as a win now situation,we have to spend every penny.Signing 4 or 5 of the top free agents to ridiculous money isn't enough? I don't agree with that.
Of course it is but they are solutions to problems (even if they are just stopgaps). I'd rather have an old player play extremely well for one or two years than a crappy neophyte.
Of course it is but they are solutions to problems (even if they are just stopgaps). I'd rather have an old player play extremely well for one or two years than a crappy neophyte.
I'm guessing the Giants want to wait until after the draft to fill those final holes, maybe post June 1st. Better deals then also. They will fill those holes, just be patient.
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Of course it is but they are solutions to problems (even if they are just stopgaps). I'd rather have an old player play extremely well for one or two years than a crappy neophyte.
I'm guessing the Giants want to wait until after the draft to fill those final holes, maybe post June 1st. Better deals then also. They will fill those holes, just be patient.
Better deals but the talent might not be there. I don't know what's going on with Reggie Nelson but I doubt someone shakes loose that's better than him or maybe Nelson signs somewhere before the draft.
Wow. Very strong claim. We'll have to see how it shakes out. Those draftees better be good.
McAdoo won't even share whether or not he'll be calling the plays next year, in the hopes of getting a slight advantage. Do you really think that the Giants' brain trust wouldn't lay the law down to everyone in the organization with access to their draft strategy not to share these secrets?
Sharing last-minute information on free agent signings is one thing. Sharing draft strategy three weeks before the event is quite another.
Just not buying this asshat info.
Agreed, and I'll take it a step further. Whomever is sharing this information as a FO person should be FIRED immediately, no questions asked.
Talk about giving away trade secrets.
I keep hearing that the team is in win-now mode and I don't see it. If it was they would have gone more aggressively after older but capable players. The fact that they dished out the cash for young players but showed the fiscal constraint for older players is clear to me that they are not in a win now mode.
And this makes sense. A new coach is going to be focused on building a strong foundation. Of course you want to win this season, but that should not be the main objective, and what they have done thus far is consistent with that. You want to build something lasting, not short sighted and fleeting.
I imagine they will sign some veterans, most likely after the draft. But the fact that they haven't yet is clear indication that they are not in a win-now mode.
Who says in order for it to qualify as a win now situation,we have to spend every penny.Signing 4 or 5 of the top free agents to ridiculous money isn't enough? I don't agree with that.
Well what actions have they taken that support that they are in a win now mode? Yes, they spent a lot of money but that doesn't address the "now" component. They spent the money on young players so that does not demonstrate a short term aspect. And there were players, in positions of need, who could help them "win-now", but those players were on the down end of their careers, and for those players they did not write the checks to lock them up --even though they had the cash to do so.
So basically you have the coach saying the focus is on building for long term success and few actions to suggest otherwise despite opportunities.
The Patriots have Edelman, Amendola and Chris Hogan - all primarily slot receivers, why would they need a slot WR like Boldin?
While Nate Washington can play the slot in a pinch should they find Amendola expendable or line Hogan up outside, Washington was signed to replace LaFell outside.
The reason so many fans speculate Boldin to the Giants is because Boldin is primarily a slot receiver, should be available short-term and low $$ given his age, and the Giants struggled finding a slot WR with Cruz injured and it's such a huge part of the WCO.
Fans don't realize a lot of variables go into a signing like what the veteran player desires in his next team (location, scheme, coaching, contender), how the team views the player, the players price and playing time expectations, etc.
but why Boldin isn't a Patriot is not mysterious (to me at least).
the hot seat or "win-now" are relative terms, but if the on-field results don't show an improvement I think Reese has two seasons - depending on the circumstances - and then he'll be replaced.
The way interpret what the team has done so far is rebuilding the defensive foundation. It does not have the characteristic elements, IMO, of what I would take as signs if a win now urgency. What the team has chose not to do (namely invest heavily in aging veterans even though they had the resources as well as the need) is as telling as anything, especially in contrast to how aggressive they were in pursuing the young players.
I've said my peace on this topic.
Boldin has met with one team from what I know, the Redskins. Who I guess you can argue is the best NFC East team right now since they're the current "champs" and didn't really lose anyone other than Morris, but I have a hard time seeing anyone convince me the Redskins are a contender.
Not sure that narrative (the "I only want to play for a contender" narrative), even if Boldin himself said it, is reality
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Well what actions have they taken that support that they are in a win now mode? Yes, they spent a lot of money but that doesn't address the "now" component. They spent the money on young players so that does not demonstrate a short term aspect. And there were players, in positions of need, who could help them "win-now", but those players were on the down end of their careers, and for those players they did not write the checks to lock them up --even though they had the cash to do so.
So basically you have the coach saying the focus is on building for long term success and few actions to suggest otherwise despite opportunities.
Most of the top free agents from this year are young,and it would make sense to target the best if you wanted to improve the team.
They also showed interest in Mario Williams,who doesn't fit your argument.
And you know this how?
Or are you making up a narrative in your mind?
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They also showed interest in Mario Williams,who doesn't fit your argument.
Yes, they showed interest in Williams, as they did other older prospects. But they did not sign him, or any of the others for that matter, which they could have done for deals not even close to what they dished out to the guys they signed.
There is just not the win-now urgency.
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Most of the top free agents from this year are young,
There are older players on the market right now who can help them in positions of need. If there was this urgency to win now, why are they not showing it?
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They also showed interest in Mario Williams,who doesn't fit your argument.
Yes, they showed interest in Williams, as they did other older prospects. But they did not sign him, or any of the others for that matter, which they could have done for deals not even close to what they dished out to the guys they signed.
There is just not the win-now urgency.
I know this has been dead-horse beaten already, but I don't think Win-now means build the best team you can for this year and forget the future or spend irresponsibly to fill every hole the team has.
I also don't think Reese has the authority to operate unilaterally.
Lastly, I believe the Giants feel like they signed the best DE, DT, and CB available in free agency period + JPP. Not the youngest, not the best to build a core around, but the best available free agents.
If you listen to or read any of the beat writers with how they quote Mara this is exactly what he says.
they targeted three guys and went out and got them, in some cases outbidding teams with even more cap space (like JAX), so yeah I see some urgency there.
I don't see why because they didn't sign older veteran players or act irresponsibly and spend unwisely it means they don't feel urgency to win now.
The Giants did host Charles Johnson - who's two years younger than Williams - but we all know how that went.
Also, the claim that he has a buddy in the Giants FO is such a cliche. Dead giveaway that he is total BS artist
That is your argument? They are in win now because they supposedly looked at someone who they never actually had in?
Then threw massive $$ at someone else who plays the same position, far more than what Mario signed for.
You can think what you want. I have no idea why it would be such an unreasonable a view to you. I just don't see any evidence of win now beyond their poking around at a few guys who may be able to help, but obviously only looking for value contracts and never actually signed anybody despite a ton of available cash and needs. I'll leave it at that.
I understand why people believe they could/should be in win now mode. I just don't see any actions taken by the team as evidence of it, and I see some glaring non actions as evidence to the contrary.