Interesting question regarding Conklina and NYG

In McAdoo's scheme, the left side of the line is the run-blocking side, and the right side of the line is the pass-blocking side.

McAdoo typically slides the Center left so the LG and LT have inside help. It's the RG and RT that are put on an island in pass-pro.

So essentially, the better pass-blocker plays RT not LT. Just like the better pass-blocker plays RG not LG.

I'd expect they see him as a LT. Meaning, if Flowers is their LT they won't draft another that highbimo.

That said Sy, I likely speak for many of us when I say that I'm very interested to hear your opinions on some potential RT targets after the first round. :)

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In comment 12889830 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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I'd expect they see him as a LT. Meaning, if Flowers is their LT they won't draft another that highbimo. That said Sy, I likely speak for many of us when I say that I'm very interested to hear your opinions on some potential RT targets after the first round. :)

I have a few.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

-Abraham Lincoln

Conklin at 10 would be a huge mistake. CB, pass rusher or WR please.

is the LT unless he completely fails.

(1) The Giants drafted Flowers to be a LT, and it would reflect very badly on their scouting judgement to abandon that plan unless he clearly can’t handle the job.

(2) Flowers played most of last year on a bum ankle.

(3) Flowers was a rookie last season.

(4) Conklin would be a rookie this season.

(5) It’s all irrelevant, because the Giants will (unfortunately) draft either Hargreaves or Floyd. I’m OK with either at #10, but think we can do a lot better if we:

TRADE DOWN.

Since I know that won’t happen, it’s Hargreaves or Floyd.

As far as OT is concerned, I’d seriously consider Jerald Hawkins in the third or Caleb Benenoch (sp?) or Willie Beavers in the fourth. Let them sit for a year behind Newhouse before taking over for him in 2017.

Love your write ups Sy.

In comment 12889826 elimcadoo2016 said:

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In McAdoo's scheme, the left side of the line is the run-blocking side, and the right side of the line is the pass-blocking side. McAdoo typically slides the Center left so the LG and LT have inside help. It's the RG and RT that are put on an island in pass-pro. So essentially, the better pass-blocker plays RT not LT. Just like the better pass-blocker plays RG not LG.

Not necessarily true. All right-handed teams shade protection to the left, to protect the QB's blind side. As long as the best ER's are coming from the QB's blind side, that is where the best pass blocking OT will play.

Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

In comment 12889953 Ivan15 said:

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Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

Yes you have actually, LT is a vastly overrated, overvalued position. You do not need a great pass-blocking LT to win big in the NFL.

The Giants won 2 Super Bowls with friggin David Diehl at LT. Enough said.

if we take Conklin with the 10th pick.

I want the Giants to "OWN THE TRENCH", on both sides of the ball. We've done well to shore up the d-side, we still need to finish to o-side.

Own the trench and all other kinks work themselves out - especially making the linebackers better on the defensive side and the ground game on the offensive side of the ball. I've watched film on Will Johnson and he is a bulldozer in blocking and punching open holes. Great pickup in my opinion.

Linemen are never flashy - but they are the foundation of a great team. Conklin would be the final piece to the puzzle.

I will get a thrill up my leg
mavric : 5:37 pm : link : reply
if we take Conklin with the 10th pick.


That's better than being circled by sharks....

Flowers because he has one year under his belt. Conklin, as good as he may be, if your saying he'd be an average left tackle, then you have to stick with Flowers and see what kind of upside he offers.

and I'd personally put him at RT. If over time he's doing well and Flowers is struggling, then you can make the move. However to start I'd go with Flowers due to his one year of experience, and the fact I think he did ok.

understand the sheer metrics of picking the highest rated player and all that but if you have a close grade on a guy that will keep your franchise qb upright and help your running game with the backs you already have....well.....Conklin can do that.

from Day 1. Much better athlete with better feet and just as tough. He's my #2 OT as well

We'd have two excellent OT's and a very good O-line for the next five years minimum.

despite a bad ankle and some rookie pains i thought flowers was overall a sucess in his rookie year,they felt comfortable enough to cut beatty very early that means they feel he is the LT they want to build the OL around

conklin or stanley for that matter start at RT. if a year or two down the line they feel like moving flowers because they like their better than flowers at LT would be a nice option/problem to have

Read somewhere that Conklin had problems two years in a row against Marylands Yannick Ngakoue. Is that true or overblown. If true, what was the problem he had.

Just get us another good OT to pair with Flowers so this offense has a chance to realize it's potential.

If he struggles you try Conklin. IMO they are both better suited for the right side.

We certainly don't want the Giants to look bad, no matter how much it makes sense, they already said he is the left tackle, so there.

Since the morons bashed Diehle so much, that proves you can win with shit at left tackle. Even though he was a very good player for 90% of his career, we will focus on the 10% to justify my argument. Just because left tackles are one of the top 3 paid positions, fuck that, our expert says you win with a mediocre one, and he made his stellar example. What a genius.

But took less money with Denver because they guaranteed him the LT position (for less money). Anybody else heard that ?

If that's true, then shows me a very strong commitment to Flowers at that spot. No doubt, LB Floyd is the "sexy" choice, but practically, it needs to be OT Conklin.

Reminds me of Robert Palmers' "Riptide" (check out his suit, very nice) ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM0FSEewaiQ

In comment 12889826 elimcadoo2016 said:

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In McAdoo's scheme, the left side of the line is the run-blocking side, and the right side of the line is the pass-blocking side. McAdoo typically slides the Center left so the LG and LT have inside help. It's the RG and RT that are put on an island in pass-pro. So essentially, the better pass-blocker plays RT not LT. Just like the better pass-blocker plays RG not LG.

This is interesting. I did not know about this part of OL play. I mean, whoever is better suited should start. If Conklin is the pick, so be it as long as he starts as a rookie and plays very well. I like Conklin's demeanor, his nastiness and love of the game. You can have better tools than another guy but if you don't have the heart you won't work as hard nor be a consistent performer.

If Conklin is the best guy on the board you take him. We need an OT. We have other needs so if Conklin isnt the best guy dont reach for him.

But if he is there and you like him as an OT take him and let him take snaps on both sides and see who is better. If they see Conklin as the better LT long term he should play there. Flowers is a better RT than a LT and it seems like the Giants are doing everything to convince people he is a LT but there is no shame in drafting an All Pro RT if that is what Flowers can be. I mean we drafted Pugh as a T and now he is a good Guard.

Take the guy and let it play out.

I would be very happy with this pick, regardless of Left or Right side. I would like more flash with this pick. A faster Treadwell, a higher floor, Floyd or Hargreaves, but this is also a position of need. Eli is not winning with the same line as Russell Wilson, Cam, or the other mobile QB’s. We saw way too many jail breaks coming at him last year, WCO, three step drop quick release, or not.

Backing up Sy, did you all read Dave’s GBN report on Conklin? Tremendous endorsement. One tough talented S.O.B.

I agree with many comments here, and Coughlin & Acoursi. “It’s a big man’s game, and you win with the best big men.”

As far as Flowers, I still like the pick. Showed attitude, nasty, ability, and team first playing through injury. I have read some quotes from Reese that Flowers is our LT, but, has anyone read anything from Flowers on the subject? Not that he has much leverage on a 2nd year rookie contract, but I don’t see him fighting the move, if it makes him a better player either. Conklin helps in many ways, including our average RB’s, 3rd down inefficiency, late game time management, and overall team toughness. This is another brick in the wall.

It is consistent with how we know McAdoo is looking to build and hitdog had mentioned OT being in play.

As far as the question goes, it is a good question and I could only speculate. Obviously the ultimate decision would be made only after seeing them in camp. Typically we have seen them experiment in a number of line configurations. Obviously there would be assumptions coming in. If I had to guess, I would say Conklin at LT and Flowers at RT.

Had Beatty stayed healthy Flowers would likely have started out at LT. As it turns out he played Left, but there were some struggles. We are talking two top 10 picks, so draft status or otherwise justifying such does not factor into the equation, obviously.

You said you didn't want to say Conklin will have a top 10 grade but you elude to him being a better prospect for LT then Flowers. To me, a starting LT is a premiere top 10 pick position. I can see how it might not be the case though. Likely my own opinion clouding my judgement.

I've been saying this for awhile now. There could be 2 OTs at #10 that could very well be the Giants' LT of the future (not counting Tunsil, he should be long gone). I totally agree with Sy'56 here that Conklin could take the starting LT role from Flowers. He might not do it in the first year but I have no problem whatsoever with him battling Flowers for the role. I also agree that Flowers would dominate the RT position. This is why I'll take Conklin or Stanley. I think in the end you upgrade 2 positions dramatically with the pick.

Keep in mind that I think the #2 outside WR is the biggest need. However, strength of draft is showing me no WR worthy of the #10 spot. I see a lot of #2 quality WRs and don't see any #1 WR for any team. There sure as hell isn't one that can compete with OBJ for the #1 spot. More than one of them will still be around by pick #40. FS's can always be found in later rounds. A top shelf LB I can totally see Reese finally pulling the trigger on as well at #10. I don't think Elliot is a top 10 pick either although I wouldn't be shocked to see Reese take him if he's there.

Therefore; Conklin, Stanley, Floyd, or Lee (sleeper). Not necessarily in that order. I just don't see Elliot being the pick.

In comment 12890750 Rudy5757 said:

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If Conklin is the best guy on the board you take him. We need an OT. We have other needs so if Conklin isnt the best guy dont reach for him.

Best player is a complicated assertion because it is completely subjective. What exactly is meant by "best" is a bit amorphous. It is hard to completely disregard the position, relative value, and overall context of the team.

In this case, we have a new head coach and he undoubtedly has a plan for how he intends to construct his team. It is undoubtedly in this context that the term BEST has meaning.

At some point pure talent likely takes over any considerations of positional value and team construction. But at what point and how significant a margin?

It's a trickier question if they take Stanley.

seem to have similar qualities. And both are NASTY.