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Safety Position for the Giants...

M.S. : 4/9/2016 10:00 am
...clearly an area of need! There are no guarantees with all the injuries we have with untested players, and several here on BBI have wondered why no free agents have been secured at this position.

Maybe Giants management has been planning from the get-go to secure a Safety in Round 2 where there is bound to be one (or several) of the following there at #40:

D. Thompson
V. Bell
S. Cravens
K. Neal
K. Joseph
D. Bush

The only issue may be that Thompson is probably the only true Free Safety out of this bunch and that's where we are really hurting.

Time will tell. But to go into the 2016 Season with what we've got now is not a great solution.
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How does anyone not in the organization know that FS is a big need?  
Mason : 4/9/2016 10:33 am : link
"As we know, there are known knowns, there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns, that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don’t know we don’t know." - Donald Rumsfeld
RE: We'll know on Monday where we stand with our walking wounded.  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/9/2016 10:34 am : link
In comment 12895171 Klaatu said:
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Regardless, if it was up to me I'd draft Justin Simmons at 40.


I want this guy as well. Seems like the perfect complement to Landon Collins.
Cooper Taylor has yet to show anything...  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 10:35 am : link
Other than he's an injury waiting to happen. Jackson is coming off his second ACL tear, and Thompson is coming off of an Achilles tear. To count on any of them starting at FS, let alone playing 16 games, is wishful thinking at best.

Simmons is a day one starter who can play CB in a pinch. He's also the proverbial "draft board riser," so if the Giants want him (and I have zero evidence that they do), they'd better call his name no later than 40.
Plus  
Mike B from JC : 4/9/2016 10:38 am : link
You have to have great injury concerns with berhe,Jackson and Thompson.you certainly can't count on them. They need a fs in the first 3 picks.
What happens if they do draft a FS and he gets injured for the year  
Mason : 4/9/2016 10:38 am : link
Do they draft another FS next year because the guy they drafted this year will also be an unknown? Do people really think that how it works?
Pick # 40 is to high for Simmons  
Mike B from JC : 4/9/2016 10:42 am : link
I'd rather have vonn Bell, after picking Floyd, at 10. Olb and fs are bigger needs that ot and wr.
Here's a draft question...solely based on NEED, what are  
Jimmy Googs : 4/9/2016 10:43 am : link
the 3 most pressing positions the Giants have to draft if they need to find immediate starters for Game 1? Assume no further free agents are signed.

To me its:
1) WR
2) RT
3) FS
RE: Pick # 40 is to high for Simmons  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 10:44 am : link
In comment 12895211 Mike B from JC said:
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I'd rather have vonn Bell, after picking Floyd, at 10. Olb and fs are bigger needs that ot and wr.


Just like pick #43 was too high for Richburg? When you like a guy, and you believe that there's a good chance he won't be around for your next pick, you take him when you can.
Undoubtably we'll add a guy or two  
aquidneck : 4/9/2016 10:47 am : link
before training camp in July. Hopefully whoever they are and where ever we get them, one or the other will contribute.

Why no talk of Behre in this thread? Is he not in consideration for the spot opposite Collins?

I've got nothing against Taylor, but is he really in consideration for a starting spot after at two points (start of season and again later in the year after being activated from PS) being waived from the team last year?
RE: Here's a draft question...solely based on NEED, what are  
M.S. : 4/9/2016 10:52 am : link
In comment 12895213 Jimmy Googs said:
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the 3 most pressing positions the Giants have to draft if they need to find immediate starters for Game 1? Assume no further free agents are signed.

To me its:
1) WR
2) RT
3) FS



I think I'm in the minority here on BBI to say that WR is not a top need. Of the three you list, I rank RT first and FS a close second. But I say "RT" hoping Stanley drops to #10 and we move Flowers over to RT.
RE: What happens if they do draft a FS and he gets injured for the year  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 10:54 am : link
In comment 12895209 Mason said:
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Do they draft another FS next year because the guy they drafted this year will also be an unknown? Do people really think that how it works?


It's not that simple. For one thing, it depends on the injury. Last year's Safety pick, Thompson, tore an Achilles. That's a devastating injury, a career-threatening injury. Taylor and Jackson have never been healthy. So, yeah, for the Giants it could be that that's exactly how it works. Just like in 2011, when they drafted Tyler Sash after losing 2010's Chad Jones.
Sean Davis Maryland  
KWALL2 : 4/9/2016 10:55 am : link
What we need at S is a guy with CB coverage skills and range. Davis fits the bill. Played CB in college. Will be an NFL S. Very fast. Physical player too.

We need to use round 1 or 2 on a WR(there will be good options in both rounds). S comes later. Maybe Round 4 or 5 for Davis.
RE: Undoubtably we'll add a guy or two  
M.S. : 4/9/2016 10:56 am : link
In comment 12895217 aquidneck said:
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before training camp in July. Hopefully whoever they are and where ever we get them, one or the other will contribute.

Why no talk of Behre in this thread? Is he not in consideration for the spot opposite Collins?

I've got nothing against Taylor, but is he really in consideration for a starting spot after at two points (start of season and again later in the year after being activated from PS) being waived from the team last year?



I think Nat Behre is, indeed, being considered. But does he come back OK with his calf / blood clot issue?
RE: Sean Davis Maryland  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 11:00 am : link
In comment 12895222 KWALL2 said:
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What we need at S is a guy with CB coverage skills and range. Davis fits the bill. Played CB in college. Will be an NFL S. Very fast. Physical player too.

We need to use round 1 or 2 on a WR(there will be good options in both rounds). S comes later. Maybe Round 4 or 5 for Davis.


Piffle. This draft class is pretty deep at WR, although it doesn't have any bona fide blue-chippers at the top. I wouldn't touch a WR in the first two rounds. There will be plenty of talent in round three and beyond.
RE: Sean Davis Maryland  
M.S. : 4/9/2016 11:00 am : link
In comment 12895222 KWALL2 said:
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What we need at S is a guy with CB coverage skills and range. Davis fits the bill. Played CB in college. Will be an NFL S. Very fast. Physical player too.

We need to use round 1 or 2 on a WR(there will be good options in both rounds). S comes later. Maybe Round 4 or 5 for Davis.


Saw Sean Davis play a few times over the past two years. I'll say this about the guy... he knows how to deliver ferocious hits. Lights out. Can't say anything about his ball skill, however.
aquidneck.  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 11:02 am : link
Berhe's considered a SS. He's not the "centerfielder" type that the Giants are lacking.
The safety position is so sad,  
Doomster : 4/9/2016 12:16 pm : link
I remember how excited BBI got, when Taylor made "one" hard hit last season......

We basically have unknowns to play FS.....Reese seems to be gambling that one of the walking wounded can fill the position....I think he is counting more on a better pass rush, to be a cure for his safety problem.....
I think the deep dark secret...  
Milton : 4/9/2016 12:42 pm : link
...might be that the Giants see Landon Collins as their free safety and not the strong safety we all assume he is.
RE: I think the deep dark secret...  
TC : 4/9/2016 12:49 pm : link
In comment 12895304 Milton said:
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...might be that the Giants see Landon Collins as their free safety and not the strong safety we all assume he is.

I think I recall Jon C saying he believed that to be the case.

I've got a big yen for Karl Joseph who may be there at 40, and who has exclusively played strong safety. Though I think he may have enough range and cover ability to convert to FS. Would be ironic if big 'ol Collins wound up as FS, and undersized Joseph continued in the role of SS.
Suggesting that safety will be a bigger need  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/9/2016 12:52 pm : link
than WR shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Giants philosophy.
RE: RE: We'll know on Monday where we stand with our walking wounded.  
dg901 : 4/9/2016 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12895204 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Regardless, if it was up to me I'd draft Justin Simmons at 40.



I want this guy as well. Seems like the perfect complement to Landon Collins.

Too early for Simmons based on team needs to compete for the Division. We need OT/WR in rd's 1 & 2 respectively. This is my thought based on who I feel will be a good fit when we pick plus remaining camp fodder. JMHO.
1 Ron Stanley OT
2 Josh Doctson WR
3 Maurice Canady CB
4 Shawn Oakman DE
5 Sean Davis FS
6 Luke Rhodes ILB
FA Terron Beckham RB
UDFA Darrel Greene OG
UDFA Anthony Brown CB
UDFA Connor Wiuciak DT
UDFA Darion Hutcherson TE
UDFA Corey Marshall OLB
UDFA Davonte Bond OLB
UDFA Shiro Davis DE
UDFA BJ Goodson ILB
RE: Suggesting that safety will be a bigger need  
M.S. : 4/9/2016 1:10 pm : link
In comment 12895310 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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than WR shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Giants philosophy.


True... Reese has gone WR in Round One and hasn't devoted too many premium selections to the Safety position. Landon Collins (Top of the 2nd) and Chad Jones (3rd) is about as high as Reese has gone.

And, yet... and, yet... despite all the frustrations of the Giants trying to establish a true #2 after OBJ, it's not as though the Giants had an awful passing attack over the past two seasons.

As for pass defense?

Well, we all know we had a terrible pass rush last season, but we've also had real bad Safety play, except for Landon Collins, and he's a LB disguised as a Safety who has lots and lots of trouble with balls over his head.

So... IMO Safety rings the bell louder for the Giants than WR in the 2016 NFL Draft!
RE: Suggesting that safety will be a bigger need  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 1:21 pm : link
In comment 12895310 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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than WR shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the Giants philosophy.


It's not a question of need. It's recognizing that the WR class is much deeper than the FS class. In my opinion, the Giants would be better served taking a top-tier FS early, and a WR later on.
Cooper Taylor is misjudged by many here  
Makogman : 4/9/2016 1:23 pm : link
Last season one of Coughlin's biggest foul ups was choosing older vets over relying on youth. He chose to keep Parker and cut Washington only to cut Parker by the quarter mark of the season after he cost them 2 games not catching critical passes.

At safety he did the same with Cooper, prefering older vets than giving youth a chance. Cooper was a heathy scratch for the first few games, then cut and put onthe pracrise squad in order to make room for Dahl. Coughlin chose older slower vets because he had to play Collins and didn't want two young safeties starting. So, many have surmised that Cooper can't play. I think that many are in for a pleasant surprise.

That is not to say that Simmons will not be a welcome addition but discounting the personnel on the roster is unwise. Also many here are forgeting about Currie, who was also hurt in the last preseason game. I think that this week we will know more about where we stand as far as available depth on the roster.

What we need to keep in mind about counting on any rookie safety is that in DC Spagnoulo's Defense the safety holds alot of responsibility <aligmnents and calls>. Last year they thought that familiarity and experience in the league would help with adapting to the new defense, which was proved wrong. It is imperative to trust the youth, their intelligence and athleticism or else why have them on the team. For this reason above all others I was relieved to see Coughlin go.

So I say wait in order to determine what the most critical needs are on the team. We should take our keys from the coaching staff, rely on their perception and evaluation.
We need a starting WR  
KWALL2 : 4/9/2016 1:25 pm : link
Coleman in 1
Shepard in 2

These guys will be ready to play week 1.
To think that anything positive will come from Cooper Taylor  
Jimmy Googs : 4/9/2016 1:30 pm : link
is a pipe-dream at this point...

M.S.  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 1:33 pm : link
You forgot about Kenny Phillips in 2008, another moment of serendipity for Jerry Reese, where need matched BPA.
RE: Here's a draft question...solely based on NEED, what are  
Vanzetti : 4/9/2016 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12895213 Jimmy Googs said:
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the 3 most pressing positions the Giants have to draft if they need to find immediate starters for Game 1? Assume no further free agents are signed.

To me its:
1) WR
2) RT
3) FS



FS might be ahead of RT just because Newhouse played there last year and Pugh the two years before that. So you have two guys who can play RT. Is there anyone on the roster we know who can play FS?

Collins can't IMO. Ad all the other guys are huge injury question marks.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 4/9/2016 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12895348 Klaatu said:
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You forgot about Kenny Phillips in 2008, another moment of serendipity for Jerry Reese, where need matched BPA.


Ugh... that's right! Forgot all about Kenny Phillips. One in many we lost to injury!!! Double Ugh!
How can no one here mention the URGENT need at CB?  
xman : 4/9/2016 3:06 pm : link
the game has become a three WR set and we have 2 cb's one of which is made of paper the other who had 2 concussions last year.
I'm intrigued by Tyvis Powell  
allstarjim : 4/9/2016 3:24 pm : link
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Everyone is fixed on plugging holes  
UberAlias : 4/9/2016 6:06 pm : link
Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.
RE: Everyone is fixed on plugging holes  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 6:18 pm : link
In comment 12895553 UberAlias said:
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Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.


Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?
like it or not  
msh : 4/9/2016 6:26 pm : link
it sounds like the giants want behre and collins as starters with thompson and jackson playing for the backup role with a vet like merriweather or similar to take the 3rd saftey role spags likes

unless ramsey falls in round 1 or su'a cravens is rated highly enough to select him in round 2 i can see them not drafting a safety at all hope they go OT,CB,DE,OG,TE,WR
(stanley,burns,kaufusi,glasgow,williams,garrett?)

take a vet FA wr to play number 2 wr there are several that would do a job for them till they can draft a wr,LB and DT with the first 3 picks next year

RE: To refer to Cooper Taylor as a veteran  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 6:27 pm : link
In comment 12895201 Jimmy Googs said:
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is kind of comical...


How about disabled veteran?
RE: RE: Everyone is fixed on plugging holes  
UberAlias : 4/9/2016 6:27 pm : link
In comment 12895567 Klaatu said:
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Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.



Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?
Short term fixes, or long term solutions? This is not a team that is a year away and there is no question McAdoo will have greater than a one year window to turn things around.

If plugging holes to win in 2016 was the priority, don't you think Reggie Nelson would be a Giant today? McAdoo has stated it is a bout building for the long term, yet for whatever reason many don't believe it. Looking at what they chose not to do (investing heavy resources in older stop gap fixes), I think it's safe to say the priority is clearly building something lasting.
RE: RE: RE: Everyone is fixed on plugging holes  
Klaatu : 4/9/2016 6:31 pm : link
In comment 12895571 UberAlias said:
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Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.



Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?

Short term fixes, or long term solutions? This is not a team that is a year away and there is no question McAdoo will have greater than a one year window to turn things around.

If plugging holes to win in 2016 was the priority, don't you think Reggie Nelson would be a Giant today? McAdoo has stated it is a bout building for the long term, yet for whatever reason many don't believe it. Looking at what they chose not to do (investing heavy resources in older stop gap fixes), I think it's safe to say the priority is clearly building something lasting.


Seems to me they're doing both...plugging holes with an eye towards the future. They're not following the Redskins model of bringing in aging vets on the decline...they're signing young guys to long-term deals, for the most part, and jettisoning a lot of dead weight. But it's still plugging holes.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone is fixed on plugging holes  
UberAlias : 4/9/2016 6:59 pm : link
In comment 12895574 Klaatu said:
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Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.



Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?

Short term fixes, or long term solutions? This is not a team that is a year away and there is no question McAdoo will have greater than a one year window to turn things around.

If plugging holes to win in 2016 was the priority, don't you think Reggie Nelson would be a Giant today? McAdoo has stated it is a bout building for the long term, yet for whatever reason many don't believe it. Looking at what they chose not to do (investing heavy resources in older stop gap fixes), I think it's safe to say the priority is clearly building something lasting.



Seems to me they're doing both...plugging holes with an eye towards the future. They're not following the Redskins model of bringing in aging vets on the decline...they're signing young guys to long-term deals, for the most part, and jettisoning a lot of dead weight. But it's still plugging holes.


From the perspective of what they did do, sure. But you also have to consider what they did not do. Despite the initial spending, they still have a lot of needs and they also have a lot of cap space available to address them should they have chosen. There were players in the market who could have "plugged" some of those holes, and the cost was not extraordinary. To me when you contrast how aggressively they invested where they did with the moderation of their interest for investing in other areas of need when it came to older shorter term answers, it is clear to me filling holes to win now is now is not the priority many believe it to be.
And when you consider a new coach taking over a team that is more  
UberAlias : 4/9/2016 7:01 pm : link
than a year away, this is not at all surprising to me.
RE: I disagree  
Anakim : 4/9/2016 7:06 pm : link
In comment 12895179 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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We could've signed a vet if we wanted to but we didn't even try. The top guys in the draft are more the SS type like Collins. Picking a FS would be a waste IMHO. We already have Collins, Jackson, Berhe, Taylor, Thompson, & Currie. No 4th round pick is going to start. Simmons is intriguing but I think that we needs elsewhere and we only have 6 picks at the moment. We need an OL, a WR, a CB, a LB, and pass rushers of any and all sorts. We're not picking a safety.


I guess you're in favor of quantity over quality
Think the Giants need a FS 2nd round  
#10* : 4/9/2016 10:10 pm : link
no exceptions. We have several guys in house because we don't have a guy. Same with RB. We have several guys because we don't have a guy.

If you went Elliott in the 1st, FS in the 2nd. You could cut down your roster by 5 or 6 players.

If I were Jerry I'd tell the scouts to find me a OT that could start over Newhouse and be around in 4th or 5th rounds. That would free you up to draft Elliott if he's there. But we need five positions. OT, FS, WR, Slot CB, TE.

Ditto, allstarjim ....  
Manny in CA : 4/9/2016 10:53 pm : link
I like Tyvis Powell a lot too (I've got him on my mock in the 5th round).

He had a great Senior Bowl ....

http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2016/1/30/10846838/senior-bowl-2016-ohio-state-tyvis-powell-shines-on-and-off-the-field

He's smart ...

(Read somewhere that he finished college early)

Plays big in big games (against Oregon & Alabama)

And is a great kid (I read somewhere, too that he likes to joke around
with team-mates) I wonder if he's as good a kidder as Eli is ?





FS with Speed  
Bluesbreaker : 4/10/2016 1:13 am : link
1) Taylor Decker OT
2) Emanuel Ogbah DE
3)Braxton Miller
4) TJ Green FS Clemson

Check out Green's Highlight's
TJ Green  
Bluesbreaker : 4/10/2016 1:16 am : link
looks Decent
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Here's a draft question...solely based on NEED, what are  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/10/2016 2:50 am : link
In comment 12895213 Jimmy Googs said:
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the 3 most pressing positions the Giants have to draft if they need to find immediate starters for Game 1? Assume no further free agents are signed.

To me its:
1) WR
2) RT
3) FS


I'd suggest even a W Cruz coming in w uncertainly is a better option at the # 2 WR spot than Newhouse at RT Or who ever the line up at FS. WR is a need but they can get a kid like Carroo from Rutgers at 3 more easily than a starter at RT like Conklin who would come in and play day 1. FS is like linebacker for the Giants. They don't place much value on it. Now they do like drafting DBs higher than any other position other than WR and DL but I think Reese likes his cheap later drafted of FA crew for now.

I can see them drafting a S in Rd 2. Now that's depending on who falls out of Rd 1 there will be more than a few guys available at 40 while should/will start for the Giants next fall. Maybe a are like Dodd or a one of the WRs falls as teams nab some of the top tier defensive talent this year.

Offense wins games these days but Denver showed what a dominant defense can do. Manning was a shadow or himself and they won w D. Seattle despite all the Russle Wilson love from the media is also a defensive oriented team who has won the SuperBowl with a less than stellar offensive scheme. Now Seattles run game is/was top tier w Lynch but their D still drives that bus

So while they may need a WR and a RT need a big time They need a S, DE and even a WILL LB too it Myles Jack is available at 10. I think that #2 WRs and RTs can be found in rounds 3-6 much easier than top tier pass rushers and a kid like Jack who God willing slips due to being a true 4-3 LB. heck of the kid from ND Smith's knee holds up in an exam and the nerve damage suggestion is not proven to true. That they need defensive talent just much om D more.

When u sign guys to big FA Contracts you may need cap releif in that position group. So at DE while you have JPP, OO, and now Vernon a young top end DE falls to them at 1 or 2 they should and know Reese's penchant for grabbing DEs early I could still see them picking one up early. JPP is a FA after next season. So they could grab a kid like Dodd or even maybe Ohgbah if he actually falls.

Lots of choices for them at 1,2, and 3 where they maybe can grab 2 starters and a 3rd player who develops into a starter at 3.
Justin Simmons is a wild card.  
Ira : 4/10/2016 6:06 am : link
The prognosticators have him rated anywhere between round 3 and 5. But when you look at film, he may be the second best free safety after Jalen Ramsey. I can't believe that he lasts very far into the third, if he doesn't get drafted before then.
This is faulty logic...  
j_rud : 4/10/2016 6:46 am : link
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Maybe Giants management has been planning from the get-go to secure a Safety in Round 2 where there is bound to be one (or several) of the following there at #40


There's no way they've spent the last 6 weeks saying "we'll just grab a safety in the second round". No one has any clue who will or won't be available at 40 and pinning your hopes for a position based on that logic is a good way to screw yourself. What if the prospect(s) you targeted are all gone by then? Then you're caught with your pants down. What if a higher ranked player at another position of need slips to 40? Now you're left to choose between a higher ranked player and filling a need with a lesser prospect.

This is why I hate when people state things like "I'd take a (insert position here) in the 3rd round". How can you target a position that specifically when you have absolutely no idea who will be available? That isn't to say teams don't go into the draft targeting certain positions, but they don't don't get that specific about when they will target that position. The draft is simply too unpredictable to use that philosophy.
RE: This is faulty logic...  
giantstock : 4/10/2016 5:05 pm : link
In comment 12895831 j_rud said:
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Maybe Giants management has been planning from the get-go to secure a Safety in Round 2 where there is bound to be one (or several) of the following there at #40



There's no way they've spent the last 6 weeks saying "we'll just grab a safety in the second round". No one has any clue who will or won't be available at 40 and pinning your hopes for a position based on that logic is a good way to screw yourself. What if the prospect(s) you targeted are all gone by then? Then you're caught with your pants down. What if a higher ranked player at another position of need slips to 40? Now you're left to choose between a higher ranked player and filling a need with a lesser prospect.

This is why I hate when people state things like "I'd take a (insert position here) in the 3rd round". How can you target a position that specifically when you have absolutely no idea who will be available? That isn't to say teams don't go into the draft targeting certain positions, but they don't don't get that specific about when they will target that position. The draft is simply too unpredictable to use that philosophy.


You're taking the picks people are predicting too literal after round 1. When people are making these picks there has to be a certain assumption made that nearly all the higher board players are gone and if you were selecting it came down to 3 or 4 players that were rated about equal at different positions- who would you take?

In round 2 if you had a QB, RB, and DE as your top 3 in the big board in which the QB was rated higher, then the rb, if you were the Giants, who would you take if their rankings were very close?
giantstock...  
M.S. : 4/10/2016 7:15 pm : link

...thank you.
RE: RE: This is faulty logic...  
j_rud : 4/11/2016 2:31 am : link
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Maybe Giants management has been planning from the get-go to secure a Safety in Round 2 where there is bound to be one (or several) of the following there at #40



There's no way they've spent the last 6 weeks saying "we'll just grab a safety in the second round". No one has any clue who will or won't be available at 40 and pinning your hopes for a position based on that logic is a good way to screw yourself. What if the prospect(s) you targeted are all gone by then? Then you're caught with your pants down. What if a higher ranked player at another position of need slips to 40? Now you're left to choose between a higher ranked player and filling a need with a lesser prospect.

This is why I hate when people state things like "I'd take a (insert position here) in the 3rd round". How can you target a position that specifically when you have absolutely no idea who will be available? That isn't to say teams don't go into the draft targeting certain positions, but they don't don't get that specific about when they will target that position. The draft is simply too unpredictable to use that philosophy.



You're taking the picks people are predicting too literal after round 1. When people are making these picks there has to be a certain assumption made that nearly all the higher board players are gone and if you were selecting it came down to 3 or 4 players that were rated about equal at different positions- who would you take?

In round 2 if you had a QB, RB, and DE as your top 3 in the big board in which the QB was rated higher, then the rb, if you were the Giants, who would you take if their rankings were very close?


Great expansion and I agree with that 100%. It's also pretty funny because I have posted the exact same thing myself leading up to past drafts in debates about need vs BPA and how it's a mix of both, grades are weighted according to need, etc. So we're actually on the same page.

What I mean is that even using that philosophy, there will be times when there are no prospects rated high enough in a particular round. At the same time, i can see how my post could be taken that way or elicit that response.
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