...clearly an area of need! There are no guarantees with all the injuries we have with untested players, and several here on BBI have wondered why no free agents have been secured at this position.
Maybe Giants management has been planning from the get-go to secure a Safety in Round 2 where there is bound to be one (or several) of the following there at #40:
D. Thompson
V. Bell
S. Cravens
K. Neal
K. Joseph
D. Bush
The only issue may be that Thompson is probably the only true Free Safety out of this bunch and that's where we are really hurting.
Time will tell. But to go into the 2016 Season with what we've got now is not a great solution.
But to go into the 2016 Season with what we've got now is not a great solution.
To our knowledge
I agree. Simmons is solid 3rd or 4th round pick. Has been moving up draft boards. Originally thought to be a 5th rounder, I would be very happy if he was the pick in round 3.
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But to go into the 2016 Season with what we've got now is not a great solution.
To our knowledge
To everyone's knowledge. None of the safeties on the roster has demonstrated in game competency. Even if the Giants are high on one of the safeties based on practice, relying on that to translate into games is not a great solution.
I hope we pick up powers......we are very thin at corners
C. Taylor may put it together and be at least service-able. B. Jackson will learn, play some, and be next year's starter. M. Thompson starts year 3. And so on.
Just a thought, but we need to "get lucky" and find magic in the bottle here.
I do want to draft a FS, round 5 on my board, but we shall see.
I want this guy as well. Seems like the perfect complement to Landon Collins.
Simmons is a day one starter who can play CB in a pinch. He's also the proverbial "draft board riser," so if the Giants want him (and I have zero evidence that they do), they'd better call his name no later than 40.
To me its:
1) WR
2) RT
3) FS
Just like pick #43 was too high for Richburg? When you like a guy, and you believe that there's a good chance he won't be around for your next pick, you take him when you can.
Why no talk of Behre in this thread? Is he not in consideration for the spot opposite Collins?
I've got nothing against Taylor, but is he really in consideration for a starting spot after at two points (start of season and again later in the year after being activated from PS) being waived from the team last year?
To me its:
1) WR
2) RT
3) FS
I think I'm in the minority here on BBI to say that WR is not a top need. Of the three you list, I rank RT first and FS a close second. But I say "RT" hoping Stanley drops to #10 and we move Flowers over to RT.
It's not that simple. For one thing, it depends on the injury. Last year's Safety pick, Thompson, tore an Achilles. That's a devastating injury, a career-threatening injury. Taylor and Jackson have never been healthy. So, yeah, for the Giants it could be that that's exactly how it works. Just like in 2011, when they drafted Tyler Sash after losing 2010's Chad Jones.
We need to use round 1 or 2 on a WR(there will be good options in both rounds). S comes later. Maybe Round 4 or 5 for Davis.
Why no talk of Behre in this thread? Is he not in consideration for the spot opposite Collins?
I've got nothing against Taylor, but is he really in consideration for a starting spot after at two points (start of season and again later in the year after being activated from PS) being waived from the team last year?
I think Nat Behre is, indeed, being considered. But does he come back OK with his calf / blood clot issue?
We need to use round 1 or 2 on a WR(there will be good options in both rounds). S comes later. Maybe Round 4 or 5 for Davis.
Piffle. This draft class is pretty deep at WR, although it doesn't have any bona fide blue-chippers at the top. I wouldn't touch a WR in the first two rounds. There will be plenty of talent in round three and beyond.
We need to use round 1 or 2 on a WR(there will be good options in both rounds). S comes later. Maybe Round 4 or 5 for Davis.
Saw Sean Davis play a few times over the past two years. I'll say this about the guy... he knows how to deliver ferocious hits. Lights out. Can't say anything about his ball skill, however.
We basically have unknowns to play FS.....Reese seems to be gambling that one of the walking wounded can fill the position....I think he is counting more on a better pass rush, to be a cure for his safety problem.....
I think I recall Jon C saying he believed that to be the case.
I've got a big yen for Karl Joseph who may be there at 40, and who has exclusively played strong safety. Though I think he may have enough range and cover ability to convert to FS. Would be ironic if big 'ol Collins wound up as FS, and undersized Joseph continued in the role of SS.
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Regardless, if it was up to me I'd draft Justin Simmons at 40.
I want this guy as well. Seems like the perfect complement to Landon Collins.
Too early for Simmons based on team needs to compete for the Division. We need OT/WR in rd's 1 & 2 respectively. This is my thought based on who I feel will be a good fit when we pick plus remaining camp fodder. JMHO.
1 Ron Stanley OT
2 Josh Doctson WR
3 Maurice Canady CB
4 Shawn Oakman DE
5 Sean Davis FS
6 Luke Rhodes ILB
FA Terron Beckham RB
UDFA Darrel Greene OG
UDFA Anthony Brown CB
UDFA Connor Wiuciak DT
UDFA Darion Hutcherson TE
UDFA Corey Marshall OLB
UDFA Davonte Bond OLB
UDFA Shiro Davis DE
UDFA BJ Goodson ILB
True... Reese has gone WR in Round One and hasn't devoted too many premium selections to the Safety position. Landon Collins (Top of the 2nd) and Chad Jones (3rd) is about as high as Reese has gone.
And, yet... and, yet... despite all the frustrations of the Giants trying to establish a true #2 after OBJ, it's not as though the Giants had an awful passing attack over the past two seasons.
As for pass defense?
Well, we all know we had a terrible pass rush last season, but we've also had real bad Safety play, except for Landon Collins, and he's a LB disguised as a Safety who has lots and lots of trouble with balls over his head.
So... IMO Safety rings the bell louder for the Giants than WR in the 2016 NFL Draft!
It's not a question of need. It's recognizing that the WR class is much deeper than the FS class. In my opinion, the Giants would be better served taking a top-tier FS early, and a WR later on.
At safety he did the same with Cooper, prefering older vets than giving youth a chance. Cooper was a heathy scratch for the first few games, then cut and put onthe pracrise squad in order to make room for Dahl. Coughlin chose older slower vets because he had to play Collins and didn't want two young safeties starting. So, many have surmised that Cooper can't play. I think that many are in for a pleasant surprise.
That is not to say that Simmons will not be a welcome addition but discounting the personnel on the roster is unwise. Also many here are forgeting about Currie, who was also hurt in the last preseason game. I think that this week we will know more about where we stand as far as available depth on the roster.
What we need to keep in mind about counting on any rookie safety is that in DC Spagnoulo's Defense the safety holds alot of responsibility <aligmnents and calls>. Last year they thought that familiarity and experience in the league would help with adapting to the new defense, which was proved wrong. It is imperative to trust the youth, their intelligence and athleticism or else why have them on the team. For this reason above all others I was relieved to see Coughlin go.
So I say wait in order to determine what the most critical needs are on the team. We should take our keys from the coaching staff, rely on their perception and evaluation.
Shepard in 2
These guys will be ready to play week 1.
To me its:
1) WR
2) RT
3) FS
FS might be ahead of RT just because Newhouse played there last year and Pugh the two years before that. So you have two guys who can play RT. Is there anyone on the roster we know who can play FS?
Collins can't IMO. Ad all the other guys are huge injury question marks.
Ugh... that's right! Forgot all about Kenny Phillips. One in many we lost to injury!!! Double Ugh!
Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?
unless ramsey falls in round 1 or su'a cravens is rated highly enough to select him in round 2 i can see them not drafting a safety at all hope they go OT,CB,DE,OG,TE,WR
(stanley,burns,kaufusi,glasgow,williams,garrett?)
take a vet FA wr to play number 2 wr there are several that would do a job for them till they can draft a wr,LB and DT with the first 3 picks next year
How about disabled veteran?
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Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.
Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?
If plugging holes to win in 2016 was the priority, don't you think Reggie Nelson would be a Giant today? McAdoo has stated it is a bout building for the long term, yet for whatever reason many don't believe it. Looking at what they chose not to do (investing heavy resources in older stop gap fixes), I think it's safe to say the priority is clearly building something lasting.
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Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.
Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?
Short term fixes, or long term solutions? This is not a team that is a year away and there is no question McAdoo will have greater than a one year window to turn things around.
If plugging holes to win in 2016 was the priority, don't you think Reggie Nelson would be a Giant today? McAdoo has stated it is a bout building for the long term, yet for whatever reason many don't believe it. Looking at what they chose not to do (investing heavy resources in older stop gap fixes), I think it's safe to say the priority is clearly building something lasting.
Seems to me they're doing both...plugging holes with an eye towards the future. They're not following the Redskins model of bringing in aging vets on the decline...they're signing young guys to long-term deals, for the most part, and jettisoning a lot of dead weight. But it's still plugging holes.
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Except the team who has a new coach who has a perspective that is about more than his first year in the position.
Sure, but shouldn't he want to plug as many holes as possible before his first season as HC?
Short term fixes, or long term solutions? This is not a team that is a year away and there is no question McAdoo will have greater than a one year window to turn things around.
If plugging holes to win in 2016 was the priority, don't you think Reggie Nelson would be a Giant today? McAdoo has stated it is a bout building for the long term, yet for whatever reason many don't believe it. Looking at what they chose not to do (investing heavy resources in older stop gap fixes), I think it's safe to say the priority is clearly building something lasting.
Seems to me they're doing both...plugging holes with an eye towards the future. They're not following the Redskins model of bringing in aging vets on the decline...they're signing young guys to long-term deals, for the most part, and jettisoning a lot of dead weight. But it's still plugging holes.
From the perspective of what they did do, sure. But you also have to consider what they did not do. Despite the initial spending, they still have a lot of needs and they also have a lot of cap space available to address them should they have chosen. There were players in the market who could have "plugged" some of those holes, and the cost was not extraordinary. To me when you contrast how aggressively they invested where they did with the moderation of their interest for investing in other areas of need when it came to older shorter term answers, it is clear to me filling holes to win now is now is not the priority many believe it to be.