If I can be honest here, both signings today leave me unimpressed. How many RBs do we need? And it's pretty hard to get excited about a linebacker who is both a liability against the run and pass coverage. Am I being too harsh here?
If I can be honest here, both signings today leave me unimpressed. How many RBs do we need? And it's pretty hard to get excited about a linebacker who is both a liability against the run and pass coverage. Am I being too harsh here?
If I can be honest here, both signings today leave me unimpressed. How many RBs do we need? And it's pretty hard to get excited about a linebacker who is both a liability against the run and pass coverage. Am I being too harsh here?
Agree, been shaking my head and asking why.
Why not? They have roster spots to fill. What's the downside?
To keep the best players & not factor in draft picks then they'll keep Rainey over Andre Williams. He's definitely a better all around player. Plus he can play special teams.
If I can be honest here, both signings today leave me unimpressed. How many RBs do we need? And it's pretty hard to get excited about a linebacker who is both a liability against the run and pass coverage. Am I being too harsh here?
It would be great to fill the remaining 20 or so roster spots for training camp with sure-fire All-Pros, but that's not who's out there to be signed. Williams was terrible last year, here's a guy who can compete with him for a job. What's wrong with that?
McAdoo just pushed out 2 of Coughlin's Boston College favs.
Sheppard pushes out Herzlich.
Rainey pushes out Williams.
McAdoo cleaning house.
Maybe. The BC guys could yet step up. Herzlich is a good special-teamer but not much of a linebacker. Williams? I dunno, he was just awful last year. I don't know what that's about.
and was told by BBI he was to small and too slow to ever play in the NFL. But he was a great little RB in school with very good RB skills, instincts and fine production. We'll see if he can do anything to stick, though I think he may be mainly camp fodder and/or insurance.
A similar RB in the upcoming draft is Russell Hansbrough out of Missouri, though I think Hansbrough is a little quicker and even more talented, but they look pretty similar carrying the ball. He didn't get a Combine invite, and might be available as an UNDFA. If so, I'd rather him in camp.
this might point more to the fact that Dwayne Harris might be called upon more as a WR again this season, and they might not be able to use him as much on returns. We still don't know what Cruz is going to do next year. Rainey can handle punt and kick returns.
must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Or pushing for him in the draft room in episode 4 of Finding Giants when he kept pestering Joe Collins. LOL, everybody at the table was begging Reese to get on the phone to move up in the draft to grab Williams.
must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Or pushing for him in the draft room in episode 4 of Finding Giants when he kept pestering Joe Collins. LOL, everybody at the table was begging Reese to get on the phone to move up in the draft to grab Williams.
Didn't watch it. That's really depressing to learn. :-(
"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
This remains the land of opportunity , these 3 consecutive years of losing, your New York Football Giants. I think their last Bobby in the backfield was Hammonds, who was from Bayside in the rollicking 70s, which is apropos because with a couple of significant injuries, the Giants will be where they were back then.
"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
"And he opens doors for women, and helps find lost puppies."
Giant fans should know better than anyone else...players get
hurt. Especially RB's. They need depth going into camp. Will he win a spot? Who knows. But if two guys go down in camp which can happen very easily. He might.
This remains the land of opportunity , these 3 consecutive years of losing, your New York Football Giants. I think their last Bobby in the backfield was Hammonds, who was from Bayside in the rollicking 70s, which is apropos because with a couple of significant injuries, the Giants will be where they were back then.
"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
I can be hopeful he's blowing smoke until final cuts. Williams sucks.
I would have preferred Akeem Hunt or Tyler Luckett ...every year i always look forward to a dynamic quick and fast addition to our offense and special teams...filling out the roster is fine, but I'll keep hoping our front office finds a diamond for us maybe in the small college ranks....remember Bashir Livingston...
must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Yes the Giants need 5 halfbacks on the roster before the draft and UDFA signings. Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you here. Old adage still rings true.
If Rainey can make the team and become a primary kick returner then Dwayne Harris will be free to play more wideout. Obviously Harris isn't the only answer to filling the hole at #2 WR, but he did catch 36 balls for 396 and 4 TDS in a limited role. He can easily do better with more opportunity. Plus, he is very physical and can do a nice job run blocking. The Giants have a big opening at WR and Harris is going to be given a real shot to contribute along with Myles White and Geremy Davis.
If Rainey can make the team and become a primary kick returner then Dwayne Harris will be free to play more wideout. Obviously Harris isn't the only answer to filling the hole at #2 WR, but he did catch 36 balls for 396 and 4 TDS in a limited role. He can easily do better with more opportunity. Plus, he is very physical and can do a nice job run blocking. The Giants have a big opening at WR and Harris is going to be given a real shot to contribute along with Myles White and Geremy Davis.
Harris is a very good returner, why create a question with moving him from his primary responsibility? Williams is a terrible RB that lacks vision and has stone hands.
Giants saw what happened when the Patriots gave Dion Lewis a chance when he couldn't stick on an NFL roster, maybe they think Rainey needs the same chance, he's had some success catching the ball.
The Patriots were Lewis's 4th team.
In all likelihood these are camp bodies.
I don't know what everybody is bitching about.....
looking at those highlights this middling back up looks better than anyone we have. Of course, that speaks more to who we "have" rather than his skill. Seriously, looks a little like Ahmad Bradshaw running style. Insurance style wise for Vereen.
"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
"And he opens doors for women, and helps find lost puppies."
must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Was McAdoo talking to us, or to Williams?
If you are addressing an under-performer, a little praise goes a long way, until you find someone better.
"I really believe you are doing your best; and we hope you keep that up until your replacement arrives."
played at 5'7" and 194 lbs. Perhaps Rainey can hide behind big linemen like Morris did & turn out to be a gem.
He may be competing with Williams & Darkwa for the #3 running back spot. I am afraid that Williams is a bust. He seems to be unable to find holes to run through and cannot simply break through NFL defensive linemen as he did in college. Finding a hole in the line seems to be a god-given ability & cannot be taught. Darkwa has looked good but has had such limited carries that we still do not know what we have in him.
In the mean time Rainey is just filling out the roster. There is no harm in that.
must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Was McAdoo talking to us, or to Williams?
If you are addressing an under-performer, a little praise goes a long way, until you find someone better.
"I really believe you are doing your best; and we hope you keep that up until your replacement arrives."
This makes no sense.
1) Williams was not at the combine and it would be counter-productive to try to reach out to a player that would be on vacation (players in the league could care less about what fans go rabid over in the off-season). 2) McAdoo was being interviewed by beat writers in the off-season. Who do you really believe he was addressing? Seriously.
"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
Not critical if you Eric, but this is not serious information. He is saying the jury is out but be has some skills, which is kind of true. I think it is possible that Dawarka rises above Williams on the depth chart and so might this new guy. It is an unknown
must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Was McAdoo talking to us, or to Williams?
If you are addressing an under-performer, a little praise goes a long way, until you find someone better.
"I really believe you are doing your best; and we hope you keep that up until your replacement arrives."
This makes no sense.
1) Williams was not at the combine and it would be counter-productive to try to reach out to a player that would be on vacation (players in the league could care less about what fans go rabid over in the off-season). 2) McAdoo was being interviewed by beat writers in the off-season. Who do you really believe he was addressing? Seriously.
Are you serious? Of course Williams wasn't at the Combine, but do you think that McAdoo's comments wouldn't get back to him? If McAdoo wasn't talking to Williams - indirectly - then exactly who was he talking to?
I think Rainey could stick...
Got Wheels can pick up some slack on Returns
Whats not to Like in Early April ...
The Fact that we are bringing in a Bodies
at least it will improve the depth ...
"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
Translation: "Maybe he won't suck, maybe he will, but there's no need to cut the guy while we still have an 80-man roster."
"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
Translation: "Maybe he won't suck, maybe he will, but there's no need to cut the guy while we still have an 80-man roster."
I'd like to see A. Williams behind an improved OL, FB and TE. He has NOT been instinctive at all to date.
He was hurt & was behind an All-Pro & a guy they just spent the 69th pick on. He's definitely better then Andre Williams.
He was behind everyone because he sucks. He's a waste of time unless they want someone to run back kicks during camp. That's the only possible use for him.
..."look-alike" running backs on last year's roster, but I can say that, if you line them all up and add in Bobby Rainey, it is Bobby Rainey who stands out as being a different kind of runner than the others. He is the one capable -- in a flash -- to turn an ordinary play into something huge. That doesn't mean he will make the roster, but he does bring something a little different to the table.
Harris is one of if not the best return guy in football. Why the hell would we want to take that job away from him. Oh and by the way he was one of those diamonds we found last year. Let the kid do what he does best.
based on the Giants signing two bottom-of-the-roster guys to come into camp and compete.
These moves signal nothing for Herzlich, Williams, Harris, or any other player on the roster other than they will have competition in camp and need to earn snaps, which is true every year.
For those who don't want to sign anyone other than young, proven stars for vet minimum deals...not sure what to say. You may want to follow the sport in more detail other than tuning into the games on Sunday because that isn't how the NFL works.
played at 5'7" and 194 lbs. Perhaps Rainey can hide behind big linemen like Morris did & turn out to be a gem.
He may be competing with Williams & Darkwa for the #3 running back spot. I am afraid that Williams is a bust. He seems to be unable to find holes to run through and cannot simply break through NFL defensive linemen as he did in college. Finding a hole in the line seems to be a god-given ability & cannot be taught. Darkwa has looked good but has had such limited carries that we still do not know what we have in him.
In the mean time Rainey is just filling out the roster. There is no harm in that.
Well, Joe Morris he ain't. Just depth signings with him and
the LB, Sheppard. They can play ST's here. most likely.
Rainey had a lot of fumbles last year, in very limited time.
When did Bobby Rainey become this elusive all pro?
He's a scatback who can catch, with a little power but nothing that significant or special. Solid returner except for the one problem that plagues him at RB and returner...
he's not a bell-cow type of back, but has nice wiggle and is athletic enough to be a nice change of pace back. I don't think he's kicking anyone off the roster however yet. Camp will be interesting this year. I think they brought him in to push the other guys and compete for that 4th RB position.
This is what Rainey looked like coming out of school.
These were my impressions from the videos of him that I watched when he came into the league in 2012.
Ironically, he didn't appear to have ball security at the time. Of course, the NFL is a long way from WKU.
Negatives -
* Poor long speed.
* Short, with maxed out frame.
* Low level of competition.
* Lots of carries in school.
Positives -
* Excellent short area quickness.
* Superb vision.
* Great ball security.
* Good hands with productivity.
* Tough and aggressive with power.
* Elusive and can make tacklers miss.
* Highly productive in school.
Concerning Joe Morris' listed weight, I think 197 might have been his weight in elementary school. ;-)
people bother to bitch about the people who bitch on here. We get bitching about everything every year and every day. For a football fan sight we sure have a lot of bitches!
alternative to Jennings or Shane Vereen. Unless they plan to utilize Vereen alot more he is getting too much cap space allocated his way.I think he was underutilized last year.
I think Rainey is a better player than Williams at this point
Bobby Rainey PFF - ( New Window )
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If I can be honest here, both signings today leave me unimpressed. How many RBs do we need? And it's pretty hard to get excited about a linebacker who is both a liability against the run and pass coverage. Am I being too harsh here?
Agree, been shaking my head and asking why.
Why not? They have roster spots to fill. What's the downside?
Giants are signing former Bucs RB Bobby Rainey - per his Instagram account
Sheppard pushes out Herzlich.
Rainey pushes out Williams.
McAdoo cleaning house.
Sheppard pushes out Herzlich.
Rainey pushes out Williams.
McAdoo cleaning house.
Good players don't get buried in the depth chart. He might have to improve just to be a JAG.
Sheppard pushes out Herzlich.
Rainey pushes out Williams.
McAdoo cleaning house.
A similar RB in the upcoming draft is Russell Hansbrough out of Missouri, though I think Hansbrough is a little quicker and even more talented, but they look pretty similar carrying the ball. He didn't get a Combine invite, and might be available as an UNDFA. If so, I'd rather him in camp.
Hansbrough Video - ( New Window )
That's the party line. What's he got to lose from encouraging the guy? But I have a hard time accepting that he actually believes it.
What a bunch of whiners.
Or pushing for him in the draft room in episode 4 of Finding Giants when he kept pestering Joe Collins. LOL, everybody at the table was begging Reese to get on the phone to move up in the draft to grab Williams.
He's going to come in and compete, wish him well. You don't catch lightening in a bottle often but it happens.
New York Giants Signing Running Back Bobby Rainey - ( New Window )
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must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Or pushing for him in the draft room in episode 4 of Finding Giants when he kept pestering Joe Collins. LOL, everybody at the table was begging Reese to get on the phone to move up in the draft to grab Williams.
Didn't watch it. That's really depressing to learn. :-(
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back."
Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
"And he opens doors for women, and helps find lost puppies."
You sign players to bring in and push competition while helping to hedge against potential injuries.
Every NFL team does this and it happens every year.
Another case of people bitching just to bitch
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must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
That's the party line. What's he got to lose from encouraging the guy? But I have a hard time accepting that he actually believes it.
I agree with you cant believe anything these coaches say they are worst than politicians the reality is in the actual moves that are made.
It's starting to feel that way.
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
I can be hopeful he's blowing smoke until final cuts. Williams sucks.
Yes the Giants need 5 halfbacks on the roster before the draft and UDFA signings. Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you here. Old adage still rings true.
Cajun Thunder!
Harris is a very good returner, why create a question with moving him from his primary responsibility? Williams is a terrible RB that lacks vision and has stone hands.
The Patriots were Lewis's 4th team.
In all likelihood these are camp bodies.
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"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
"And he opens doors for women, and helps find lost puppies."
Lmao@ hes conscientous.
Was McAdoo talking to us, or to Williams?
If you are addressing an under-performer, a little praise goes a long way, until you find someone better.
"I really believe you are doing your best; and we hope you keep that up until your replacement arrives."
He may be competing with Williams & Darkwa for the #3 running back spot. I am afraid that Williams is a bust. He seems to be unable to find holes to run through and cannot simply break through NFL defensive linemen as he did in college. Finding a hole in the line seems to be a god-given ability & cannot be taught. Darkwa has looked good but has had such limited carries that we still do not know what we have in him.
In the mean time Rainey is just filling out the roster. There is no harm in that.
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must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Was McAdoo talking to us, or to Williams?
If you are addressing an under-performer, a little praise goes a long way, until you find someone better.
"I really believe you are doing your best; and we hope you keep that up until your replacement arrives."
This makes no sense.
1) Williams was not at the combine and it would be counter-productive to try to reach out to a player that would be on vacation (players in the league could care less about what fans go rabid over in the off-season). 2) McAdoo was being interviewed by beat writers in the off-season. Who do you really believe he was addressing? Seriously.
"He's a tough, hard runner," McAdoo said. "He's a smart guy. He's conscientious. He's working at it. I look forward to getting him back." Ben McAdoo: Don't give up on Giants running back Andre Williams just yet - ( New Window )
Not critical if you Eric, but this is not serious information. He is saying the jury is out but be has some skills, which is kind of true. I think it is possible that Dawarka rises above Williams on the depth chart and so might this new guy. It is an unknown
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In comment 12896444 Eric from BBI said:
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must have missed McAdoo talking up Williams at the Combine.
Was McAdoo talking to us, or to Williams?
If you are addressing an under-performer, a little praise goes a long way, until you find someone better.
"I really believe you are doing your best; and we hope you keep that up until your replacement arrives."
This makes no sense.
1) Williams was not at the combine and it would be counter-productive to try to reach out to a player that would be on vacation (players in the league could care less about what fans go rabid over in the off-season). 2) McAdoo was being interviewed by beat writers in the off-season. Who do you really believe he was addressing? Seriously.
Are you serious? Of course Williams wasn't at the Combine, but do you think that McAdoo's comments wouldn't get back to him? If McAdoo wasn't talking to Williams - indirectly - then exactly who was he talking to?
Got Wheels can pick up some slack on Returns
Whats not to Like in Early April ...
The Fact that we are bringing in a Bodies
at least it will improve the depth ...
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"Andre and I have had some conversations," McAdoo said on Wednesday at the Combine. "I think a lot of people may be willing to give up on Andre. I think it may be early for that. I look forward to Andre bouncing back this year and having a bounce-back year."
Translation: "Maybe he won't suck, maybe he will, but there's no need to cut the guy while we still have an 80-man roster."
..."look-alike" running backs on last year's roster, but I can say that, if you line them all up and add in Bobby Rainey, it is Bobby Rainey who stands out as being a different kind of runner than the others. He is the one capable -- in a flash -- to turn an ordinary play into something huge. That doesn't mean he will make the roster, but he does bring something a little different to the table.
Apparently so...
We've all been fans for a long time right?
These moves signal nothing for Herzlich, Williams, Harris, or any other player on the roster other than they will have competition in camp and need to earn snaps, which is true every year.
For those who don't want to sign anyone other than young, proven stars for vet minimum deals...not sure what to say. You may want to follow the sport in more detail other than tuning into the games on Sunday because that isn't how the NFL works.
He may be competing with Williams & Darkwa for the #3 running back spot. I am afraid that Williams is a bust. He seems to be unable to find holes to run through and cannot simply break through NFL defensive linemen as he did in college. Finding a hole in the line seems to be a god-given ability & cannot be taught. Darkwa has looked good but has had such limited carries that we still do not know what we have in him.
In the mean time Rainey is just filling out the roster. There is no harm in that.
Well, Joe Morris he ain't. Just depth signings with him and
the LB, Sheppard. They can play ST's here. most likely.
Rainey had a lot of fumbles last year, in very limited time.
He's a chronic fumbler early in his career.
Ironically, he didn't appear to have ball security at the time. Of course, the NFL is a long way from WKU.
Negatives -
* Poor long speed.
* Short, with maxed out frame.
* Low level of competition.
* Lots of carries in school.
Positives -
* Excellent short area quickness.
* Superb vision.
* Great ball security.
* Good hands with productivity.
* Tough and aggressive with power.
* Elusive and can make tacklers miss.
* Highly productive in school.
Concerning Joe Morris' listed weight, I think 197 might have been his weight in elementary school. ;-)
Bobby Rainey College Video - ( New Window )
:)
Always fond of a nice wiggle...
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he's not a bell-cow type of back, but has nice wiggle and is athletic enough to be a nice change of pace back.
Always fond of a nice wiggle...
Its all in the hips!
Bounce back in time and space, perhaps?