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He has not been able to keep him healthy yet. He has NEVER played a snap in a regular season NFL game. 2014 spent on the practice squad. 2015 he was out the entire season.

I'm probably in the minority but I am willing to roll the dice with the 4 young safeties we have coming back and see who can win the FS position out of the 4. I think it's safe to say BJ had won the job if did not go down with injury in preseason last year.

In comment 12896825 superspynyg said:

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He has not been able to keep him healthy yet. He has NEVER played a snap in a regular season NFL game. 2014 spent on the practice squad. 2015 he was out the entire season.

How is that the strength coach's fault?

Don't address the most glaring weakness on the team at all.

"It's almost them saying they believe these guys can get the job done."... well, there's a fucking quote that inspires confidence!

Seriously - just go with an extra pass rusher and only 3 men back, if that's the plan.

I guess we should prepare for another season of roughly 100% of 3rd and long successes against the Giant D?

without a veteran in that group is beyond me. Yes there is not much to pick from but again this will be our problem unless they think our new pass rush benefits the lack of experience.

As long as we have SS covered and a decent to strong pass rush, I too can live with what we have. That said, we still have 5 months before the season starts with future cuts to be made by other teams, the draft uncluding UDFAs and whatever FA might bring

Play the game on the field ... not riding the bike.

We need players who can play and stay on the field. These guys have not proven a darn thing.

I am hoping that this year will be different and someone will step up as our Free Safety. I just can't believe they will all go down .... again.

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Maybe ever.

b.jackson was an NFL player when he was on the field last preseason. i am hoping he can stay healthy - i also like him at nickel CB. he could be that R.W. McQuarters "leak plugger" if he could just stay healthy.
last chance for him.

that they can actually get on the field

about how Markus Kuhn was ready to prove himself.

That really didn't happen either.

I have about as much confidence in these guys as I did Kuhn. Same goes for the Giants being able to field a winning roster.

In comment 12896832 BMac said:

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In comment 12896825 superspynyg said: Quote: He has not been able to keep him healthy yet. He has NEVER played a snap in a regular season NFL game. 2014 spent on the practice squad. 2015 he was out the entire season. How is that the strength coach's fault?

Didn't we fire our strength coach because of all the injuries?? Its his job to keep him healthy and strong.

Staying on the field is another. Let's see how long they last?

In comment 12896888 superspynyg said:

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In comment 12896832 BMac said: Quote: In comment 12896825 superspynyg said: Quote: He has not been able to keep him healthy yet. He has NEVER played a snap in a regular season NFL game. 2014 spent on the practice squad. 2015 he was out the entire season. How is that the strength coach's fault? Didn't we fire our strength coach because of all the injuries?? Its his job to keep him healthy and strong.

Just how does strength and conditioning in any way prevent knee injuries?

Answer: It doesn't, and it cannot.

this is really looking for trouble.

Need Eli and OBJ to work these guys until they have a clue what to do...

To see where we stand with our walking wounded. Sure, they're young and inexperienced, but they're here for a reason, and that reason is that the Giants' brass believes that they can play - and play well - as long as they stay relatively healthy.

For the record, I would've liked the Giants to bring in a veteran. I was all for attempting to sign Reggie Nelson, but apparently the Giants had zero interest in signing him or any other veteran, seemingly content to roll the dice on their young guns. So be it.

I've also advocated drafting a good FS prospect, however, if, in the next seventeen days, the Giants like what they see from Berhe, Jackson, Thompson, Taylor, and Currie, then I wouldn't blame them if they didn't.

haven't we already seen what Taylor and Currie bring to the table?

As for the others, counting on guys with zip for experience?

It just boggles the mind, the way the Linebacker and Safety positions have been devalued by Reese....

In comment 12896828 Joe in CT said:

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I'm probably in the minority but I am willing to roll the dice with the 4 young safeties we have coming back and see who can win the FS position out of the 4. I think it's safe to say BJ had won the job if did not go down with injury in preseason last year.

This is my thought as well. Right or wrong I have no idea but we made tremendous strides on defense already and sooner or later you need the current crop to step up and earn it.

As I wrote, I was in favor of the Giants signing a veteran FS. Barring that, I would hope that they'd draft a top-tier FS prospect. But it looks like - for now - the Giants are content to roll the dice on their young guns - inexperience and injury histories be damned. I don't agree with it, but there's not much I can do about it.

I don't agree that JR has devalued Safety as much as he has Linebacker, though. Kenny Phillips was a first-round pick. Chad Jones was a third-round pick. JR made Antrel Rolle the highest-paid Safety in the league, and signing, then re-signing Deon Grant was great for the team.

Sure, he's had his misses, especially in 2009 when KP was lost for the year, but on balance I believe he's been more of a victim of circumstance with regard to Safeties. Bad luck moreso than neglect.

moreso misunderstood the upside of the position.

or, nicer, simply decided to see the position as purely a safety valve as the position name implied, and made the decision to ignore league history at other teams regarding free safety as a turn over source, especially in context of man corner / cover play and aggressive DL play.

lets hope that changes

taking snaps with the first team when he was hurt, so maybe they think they have already drafted the position. Who knows how good he was or if he'll recover fully, but maybe the Giants know.

I am also OK with what they are doing by going with the young guys. They have a ton of roster spots to fill with better players, and they do need to find out what they have here.

Further, I concur that Bennett Jackson has shown that he can play in the NFL. They just need to keep him healthy. Also think Nat Berhe needs a chance to show what he can do because he has shown promise. And I haven't given up on Cooper Taylor, either. As for Mykkele Thompson, they haven't even seen him on the field in a real game yet, so there's no body of work there to critique. Even Justin Currie has shown enough to at least bring him to camp again.

They've got bodies here. Let them sort it out on the field. There are a lot of other positions where they need help more.

remains to be seen if he can see the progression of game play enough for the deep game.

Taylor, actually had some deep zone stuff in college, upside probably more like a KP or a bog SS type, but we don't actually know, he might have the deep zone INTs upside.

Similarly with Jackson, only had the one good year in college, it is possibly, more likely a JAG FS, which is more than what we had last year.

Berhe, a small SS type, strange to have a little guy who has SS chops, but that may be his role.

Then Collins, possibly a very good LB/SS type.

The perfect group to add a true INTs player into. lets get er done.

things rarely go as predicted in preseason. Remember when the Giants had one of the deepest group of WRs in the NFL? That changed in a hurry. One the above could very well emerge as a serviceable starter.

is the brilliance of the BBI mindset and the total ignorance of NYG management. BBI knows, for a fact, the capabilities of Berhe, Jackson, Thompson, Taylor, and Currie. What do the Giants know? All they did was work them all out in practice and, for some, in games. They have the medical staff to test, retest and retest again the injured players. How could that possibly let them evaluate players in the safety position? Ridiculous. BBI knows better and the Giant management team should sit back, get on-line and let BBI tell them if our current staff of safeties are any good.

We are amazing...

In trying to solve the safety problem -

* You can't solve all your problems in one year

* You don't want to over-pay for a veteran free agent player on the wrong side of 30.

* The current crop of draftable (considering where you are drafting) safeties may not be any better than what you have in-house

So ... why not let the young guys fight it out ?

They likely have their eyes on a couple or three prospects. If it doesn't fall their way, they will revisit veteran options. There are bound to be some interesting salary cap cuts at the position, there always are.

In comment 12897331 Still a Sam Huff fan said:

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is the brilliance of the BBI mindset and the total ignorance of NYG management. BBI knows, for a fact, the capabilities of Berhe, Jackson, Thompson, Taylor, and Currie. What do the Giants know? All they did was work them all out in practice and, for some, in games. They have the medical staff to test, retest and retest again the injured players. How could that possibly let them evaluate players in the safety position? Ridiculous. BBI knows better and the Giant management team should sit back, get on-line and let BBI tell them if our current staff of safeties are any good.

Similar things were said about the WR corps after 2010. Yeah, what do we know, Bit it doesn't take a genius to see the risks in rolling the dice with the same crew back there.

In comment 12897331 Still a Sam Huff fan said:

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is the brilliance of the BBI mindset and the total ignorance of NYG management. BBI knows, for a fact, the capabilities of Berhe, Jackson, Thompson, Taylor, and Currie. What do the Giants know? All they did was work them all out in practice and, for some, in games. They have the medical staff to test, retest and retest again the injured players. How could that possibly let them evaluate players in the safety position? Ridiculous. BBI knows better and the Giant management team should sit back, get on-line and let BBI tell them if our current staff of safeties are any good.

The brilliance that led to the worst defense in the league last year?

they're going to rely on one of the youngsters to step up & become a player. Fingers crossed. I can't say I'm confident, but we'll see.

and his tenure here if it doesn't pan out.

CC Brown, last year's fiasco...

He doesn't have a great track record with the position.

In comment 12897331 Still a Sam Huff fan said:

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is the brilliance of the BBI mindset and the total ignorance of NYG management. BBI knows, for a fact, the capabilities of Berhe, Jackson, Thompson, Taylor, and Currie. What do the Giants know? All they did was work them all out in practice and, for some, in games. They have the medical staff to test, retest and retest again the injured players. How could that possibly let them evaluate players in the safety position? Ridiculous. BBI knows better and the Giant management team should sit back, get on-line and let BBI tell them if our current staff of safeties are any good.

Hate to break it to you friend but the Giants DO make stupid decisions. If not, they wouldn't be picking in the top half of the draft again for three years straight. When your draft picks come with the 12, 9, and 10 slots - that's pretty bad. You're making mistakes. And its not always hindsight. Sometimes its readily apparent in the moment that what is happening is a huge mistake and a lot of fans are left shaking their heads thinking "not this sh!t again" because we've all seen it happen before.

The issue for me is that this team does not hedge its bets very well. They don't go out of their way to reduce risk. And more often than not it has come back to bite them in the ass.

No one here is claiming to be an expert GM or that they can do a better job overall. They're just a bunch of frustrated fans who are sick of seeing their team slum it every season and waste away the twilight years of the greatest QB to ever wear a Giants uniform.

Sometimes fans get crazy and make wild accusations. I don't think this is one of those times. Its perfectly reasonable to surmise the Giants would be making a mistake with this group of unproven crutchers they intend to field in the secondary. They've made the mistake before.

Until the Giants prove they can get out of this funk, fans will complain and they have every right to. Put a winner on the field and you'll see the fans get back in line and have a little more trust.

In comment 12898095 Curtis in VA said:

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In comment 12897331 Still a Sam Huff fan said: Quote: is the brilliance of the BBI mindset and the total ignorance of NYG management. BBI knows, for a fact, the capabilities of Berhe, Jackson, Thompson, Taylor, and Currie. What do the Giants know? All they did was work them all out in practice and, for some, in games. They have the medical staff to test, retest and retest again the injured players. How could that possibly let them evaluate players in the safety position? Ridiculous. BBI knows better and the Giant management team should sit back, get on-line and let BBI tell them if our current staff of safeties are any good. Hate to break it to you friend but the Giants DO make stupid decisions. If not, they wouldn't be picking in the top half of the draft again for three years straight. When your draft picks come with the 12, 9, and 10 slots - that's pretty bad. You're making mistakes. And its not always hindsight. Sometimes its readily apparent in the moment that what is happening is a huge mistake and a lot of fans are left shaking their heads thinking "not this sh!t again" because we've all seen it happen before. The issue for me is that this team does not hedge its bets very well. They don't go out of their way to reduce risk. And more often than not it has come back to bite them in the ass. No one here is claiming to be an expert GM or that they can do a better job overall. They're just a bunch of frustrated fans who are sick of seeing their team slum it every season and waste away the twilight years of the greatest QB to ever wear a Giants uniform. Sometimes fans get crazy and make wild accusations. I don't think this is one of those times. Its perfectly reasonable to surmise the Giants would be making a mistake with this group of unproven crutchers they intend to field in the secondary. They've made the mistake before. Until the Giants prove they can get out of this funk, fans will complain and they have every right to. Put a winner on the field and you'll see the fans get back in line and have a little more trust.

Amen. Very well said