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Will Beatty

Still a Sam Huff fan : 4/12/2016 9:49 am
If I missed something and he was signed elsewhere, please just go onto another thread. Thanks.

If not, and he is still available, a couple of thoughts: I'm sure there are some unpleasant feelings on both sides but unless that bridge has been burned to the ground, perhaps they can still kiss and make up. Maybe the new OL coach can do something. If he can pass the physical why not? We thought very highly of him in the past and paid him a bazillion dollars.

All those waiting for a third or fourth rounder to step in at tackle this year, get real. We can use that # 10 pick elsewhere unless this GLARING HOLE is not solved by draft day.

Waiting for a summer cut from another team is very, very risky. So why not Beatty? Suck up whatever bad feelings there are. Gotta be pretty cheap by now.

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The only thing close to an asshat  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2016 10:18 am : link
I have is a friend (a Jets fan) who has Giants FO connections.

He said the Giants FO was split on Beatty from the time they gave him his big extension. Some didn't want to extend him, others felt they had no choice. It was one of the biggest personnel battles he was involved with or party to from what my friend says.

But Coughlin was not one of the ones anti-Beatty from what I've been told.

this link from BBV shows some of Beatty's best moments in 2014. If Flowers plays anything close to this we'll be fortunate.



Beatty key to offense resurgence - ( New Window )
One final argument  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 4/12/2016 10:19 am : link
Does anyone actually know what his doctors advised regarding the ankle? Was surgery the wisest course of action for HIM? And if he opted for his health over playing does that make him soft or intelligent?

As for his money, I remember everybody here on BBI bitching and moaning about how much he got.
Any time a poster  
Rob in CT/NYC : 4/12/2016 10:19 am : link
suggests they know what the Giants (apparently some sort of single-minded entity) think, everyone's bull shit meter should register.
Game to game, you didn't know which version of WB would show up  
JonC : 4/12/2016 10:20 am : link
That tends to suggest he demonstrated inconsistency day to day in practice etc, and the soft label was always there for a reason, it wasn't BS.
elimcadoo2016  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/12/2016 10:22 am : link
Why don't you just STFU. You know nothing.

pjacs & Über nailed it.

Beatty could be welcomed back. He is a good player. Nothing to this "soft" talk when a guy breaks his leg running to crush someone at the second level. Give me a break. The Giants want to upgrade every position every chance they get. They will see how the draft unfolds and if we don't draft a T in the 1st two rounds we should be trying to acquire RT-Anthony Davis from the 49ers for a future late round pick. If that falls through I'd expect them to contact Beatty.
Plenty have players  
Rob in CT/NYC : 4/12/2016 10:22 am : link
have been inconsistent without being soft, so, uh horse shit?
Beatys MO  
muhajir : 4/12/2016 10:24 am : link
Coming out of college was that he was a finesse player with questionable passion for football (if i remember correctly). Rookie yr he was already talking about some modeling thing he wanted to do after his football career was over.
RE: I don't necessarily buy it  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2016 10:24 am : link
In comment 12898254 Still a Sam Huff fan said:
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Yeah sure, I've heard that "soft" argument before. And it's kind of easy to say: "Move On".

My point is simply this: I find it difficult to believe that an offensive tackle, getting his head beat in by defensive ends, game after game, year after year can suddenly turn "soft". Or worse, "Not want to play" or whatever terms are used. Not that it cannot be true, just difficult for me to believe.

My guess is that it's something else. Maybe money. Maybe he said something or did something. Or, maybe his coach said something or did something. Bad feelings can fester and build into untenable situations.

It would be sad if we missed out on an elite player in the draft because of some He Said - She Said storyline. I admit to being skeptical of certain stories and Will Beatty turning "soft" or "Not wanting to play football" is right up there.


Its soft within the context of the NFL. He's always injured and rarely playes banged up. Its always something and its hard being confident in him playing close to a full season. I think its a very reasonable concern.
I didn't suggest I know exactly what they think  
JonC : 4/12/2016 10:24 am : link
I passed on what I was told.
Pro tip  
Rob in CT/NYC : 4/12/2016 10:28 am : link
A single reporter isn't a reliable source for anything.
RE: One final argument  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2016 10:29 am : link
In comment 12898287 Still a Sam Huff fan said:
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Does anyone actually know what his doctors advised regarding the ankle? Was surgery the wisest course of action for HIM? And if he opted for his health over playing does that make him soft or intelligent?

As for his money, I remember everybody here on BBI bitching and moaning about how much he got.


What ankle? He broke his leg at the end of 2013. And had no choice for his treatment.

he tore his pec in 2015 OTAs and had no choice.

he tore his rotator cuff while recovering from the torn pec and that's where some say he had a choice. I'm not going to be a knight of the keyboard and call someone a pussy for not playing OL through a torn rotator cuff. I'll leave that to the toughest among you.

He also in between all the injuries played 16 games a season for three consecutive years. So, it's not like he's begging off for minor aches and bruises IMO.
Ok, Rob  
JonC : 4/12/2016 10:30 am : link
If Beatty were still a Giant, you'd have a stronger leg to stand on.
RE: elimcadoo2016  
elimcadoo2016 : 4/12/2016 10:34 am : link
In comment 12898293 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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Why don't you just STFU. You know nothing.

pjacs & Über nailed it.

Beatty could be welcomed back. He is a good player. Nothing to this "soft" talk when a guy breaks his leg running to crush someone at the second level. Give me a break. The Giants want to upgrade every position every chance they get. They will see how the draft unfolds and if we don't draft a T in the 1st two rounds we should be trying to acquire RT-Anthony Davis from the 49ers for a future late round pick. If that falls through I'd expect them to contact Beatty.


The Giants want no part of Beatty. Beatty would never be welcomed back. You are delusional.
Cutting Beatty cost $5 million in dead money  
Giants2012 : 4/12/2016 10:35 am : link
and now any dollars for resigning him would basically be added to that $5 million against the cap. The Giants would look really foolish by resigning them b/c the cost would have been less had they offered or negotiated a pay cut. (and maybe they did?)
RE: Cutting Beatty cost $5 million in dead money  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2016 10:39 am : link
In comment 12898329 Giants2012 said:
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and now any dollars for resigning him would basically be added to that $5 million against the cap. The Giants would look really foolish by resigning them b/c the cost would have been less had they offered or negotiated a pay cut. (and maybe they did?)


they have 5M in dead space, but they saved 4+M on the cap. If they were to sign him (and for the record I do think it's unlikely) if they sign him for $1M vet min or even $2M 1 year deal it still saved them $2-3M on the cap. Dead money is dead no matter what, since it represents guaranteed $$.
RE: RE: Cutting Beatty cost $5 million in dead money  
elimcadoo2016 : 4/12/2016 10:41 am : link
In comment 12898334 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12898329 Giants2012 said:


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and now any dollars for resigning him would basically be added to that $5 million against the cap. The Giants would look really foolish by resigning them b/c the cost would have been less had they offered or negotiated a pay cut. (and maybe they did?)



they have 5M in dead space, but they saved 4+M on the cap. If they were to sign him (and for the record I do think it's unlikely) if they sign him for $1M vet min or even $2M 1 year deal it still saved them $2-3M on the cap. Dead money is dead no matter what, since it represents guaranteed $$.


stop, there is no "if". the Giants have no plans of even entertaining the notion of signing Beatty. He is a thing of the past.

Move on, people.
RE: RE: Cutting Beatty cost $5 million in dead money  
Giants2012 : 4/12/2016 10:46 am : link
In comment 12898334 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12898329 Giants2012 said:


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and now any dollars for resigning him would basically be added to that $5 million against the cap. The Giants would look really foolish by resigning them b/c the cost would have been less had they offered or negotiated a pay cut. (and maybe they did?)



they have 5M in dead space, but they saved 4+M on the cap. If they were to sign him (and for the record I do think it's unlikely) if they sign him for $1M vet min or even $2M 1 year deal it still saved them $2-3M on the cap. Dead money is dead no matter what, since it represents guaranteed $$.


A pay cut would still have saved more. Assume he would have accepted a pay cut of $4 million. Then he would only cost $5 million. By cutting him and resigning the dollars are more.

Regardless, I don't see him signing for Jerry money.
The Giants wouldn't sign Beatty  
elimcadoo2016 : 4/12/2016 10:47 am : link
for free. They want absolutely NO PART OF HIM.

Signing him to that extension was a big mistake. Everyone in the FO knows it now.
elimcadoo2016  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 4/12/2016 10:55 am : link

I am so sick of hearing your self importance and definitive comments on so many topics. Why don't you "Stop It" and go somewhere else.

For starters your handle is, if I read it correctly, to eliminate or fire our brand new head coach before the season even starts. Just brilliant.

Hopefully, you are an eighth grader and getting your kicks here. If older than that, I'd suggest getting some medical help.
RE: elimcadoo2016  
elimcadoo2016 : 4/12/2016 10:57 am : link
In comment 12898375 Still a Sam Huff fan said:
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I am so sick of hearing your self importance and definitive comments on so many topics. Why don't you "Stop It" and go somewhere else.

For starters your handle is, if I read it correctly, to eliminate or fire our brand new head coach before the season even starts. Just brilliant.

Hopefully, you are an eighth grader and getting your kicks here. If older than that, I'd suggest getting some medical help.



"For starters your handle is, if I read it correctly, to eliminate or fire our brand new head coach before the season even starts."

Um, what the hell are you talking about? This right here just shows your level of intelligence. 'nuff said.
No oline in the first  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 10:57 am : link
Rd.neither Stanley or Conklin are a sure thing. Even after spending tons on d, there are big holes to fill olb,fs and slot cb. They definitely take priority over ol. Trade for Anthony Davis RT. Problems solved. Use the draft for d and a wr.
RE: No oline in the first  
elimcadoo2016 : 4/12/2016 11:01 am : link
In comment 12898381 Mike B from JC said:
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Rd.neither Stanley or Conklin are a sure thing. Even after spending tons on d, there are big holes to fill olb,fs and slot cb. They definitely take priority over ol. Trade for Anthony Davis RT. Problems solved. Use the draft for d and a wr.


Conklin is a sure thing. There are no holes in his game.

Anthony Davis can be a liability in pass-protection. And his passion for football needs to be questioned as well.
RE: The Giants wouldn't sign Beatty  
Klaatu : 4/12/2016 11:05 am : link
In comment 12898348 elimcadoo2016 said:
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for free. They want absolutely NO PART OF HIM.

Signing him to that extension was a big mistake. Everyone in the FO knows it now.


I'd like to know when you polled everyone in the FO?

Regardless, what revisionist bullshit. At the time, the Giants had no better option at LT than to come to terms with Beatty, who was coming off a pretty good season. They weren't going to tag him, and they weren't going to find his replacement in free agency or the draft. They signed him to a reasonable contract for a starting left tackle and drove on.
Just a Troll  
Samiam : 4/12/2016 11:09 am : link
He's saying shit just to get people riled up. Just ignore him and he'll stop.

By the way, if you think Beatty was inconsistent, you were not watching the games. When he played, except for 1 year, he played well . He was a good, not great but good, LT. And he was payed like a good LT. To his credit, after the bad year, he manned up & accepted the blame and improved.
It's interesting how some people run with a comment  
AP in Halfmoon : 4/12/2016 11:10 am : link
on a message board or tabloid. It becomes the equivalent of a well documented fact after a few months of being repeated.
heard he will the the new spokesman for  
Victor in CT : 4/12/2016 11:22 am : link
Charmin
Eli I'm saying they have  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 11:22 am : link
A bigger need on defense. You can't keep ignoring your defense in the draft, that's why it was in the shape it was in. That's why so much money was spent. If Jack or Floyd is there you take them over a RT. You look for that later. Reese has to be better finding diamonds in the rough for oline. Diehl, suebert come to mind.
RE: Eli I'm saying they have  
Klaatu : 4/12/2016 11:49 am : link
In comment 12898449 Mike B from JC said:
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A bigger need on defense. You can't keep ignoring your defense in the draft, that's why it was in the shape it was in. That's why so much money was spent. If Jack or Floyd is there you take them over a RT. You look for that later. Reese has to be better finding diamonds in the rough for oline. Diehl, suebert come to mind.


Yes, that's what Reese has been doing...ignoring defense in the draft. Except that since he's been the GM, he's drafted 33 defensive players and 30 offensive players. 10 and 10 in the last three years.
In the first rd  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 11:54 am : link
Klaatu
RE: In the first rd  
Klaatu : 4/12/2016 12:04 pm : link
In comment 12898506 Mike B from JC said:
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Klaatu


4 on D, 5 on O.

In the last three years, 3 on O, Pugh, Beckham, and Flowers, but you could make the case that Reese has used the first round to upgrade the O-Line in recent years because he didn't do that - for whatever reasons - for far too long. Prior to 2013, the last time he used a premium pick on an O-Lineman was 2009 - Will Beatty, 2nd round, #60 overall.
Premium Picks, rounds 1-3:  
Klaatu : 4/12/2016 12:12 pm : link
Since 2007, 16 on D, 13 on O. Last three years, 5 on D, 4 on O.
The offense was OK last year  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 12:17 pm : link
The defense horrible. Spent alot on d but a olb that can rush and cover is needed badly. RT can and should be solved by trading for Davis. You need to start drafting players who can make a big impact ala Beckham. Draft the impact player, if it's between Floyd,Jack and Conklin you take the olb.
I don't think we will ever know the whole story......  
Doomster : 4/12/2016 12:23 pm : link
Were the Giants angry because he wouldn't try to play with a bad rotator cuff?

Were they angry because he wouldn't play RT, instead of LT, if he was asked to do so.....

From Beatty's perspective, did he feel if he played with the rotator problem, he would injure himself and not be able to play next season?

As far as the front office arguing if he was overpaid, that is on Reese......Reese backs himself into corners.....he did it with Rolle, Beatty, Baas, Beason.....he had no replacements, he doesn't draft players to take over, and then he is forced to fill a need and has to overpay.....

We don't even know if Reese approached Beatty about a pay cut....Beatty is smart...he knew he was not going to get his current pay on the open market, as a free agent......so if Reese made an offer, how much lower was it than Beatty's expectations? Or did Beatty overvalue himself, and may find himself accepting much less out there?

Of course this is all speculation, as to whether Reese had this discussion with Beatty....like I said, we will never know what did/did not transpire between the two of them....
RE: The offense was OK last year  
Klaatu : 4/12/2016 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12898541 Mike B from JC said:
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The defense horrible. Spent alot on d but a olb that can rush and cover is needed badly. RT can and should be solved by trading for Davis. You need to start drafting players who can make a big impact ala Beckham. Draft the impact player, if it's between Floyd,Jack and Conklin you take the olb.


Can you point me towards the Magic Trade Tree? Is it planted next to the Magic Trade Down Tree?

The offense was okay last year, except for the fact that they couldn't run the ball when they had to, and they were close to the bottom of the league in time-of-possession. Seemed to me that they racked up a lot of yards and a lot of points in a lot of losing efforts.
And yes, the defense was abysmal last year.  
Klaatu : 4/12/2016 12:28 pm : link
They couldn't make a stop for love or money, which is why I was happy to see them spend big to address that in free agency...and I hope they double down on that in the draft...after they get their RT-of-the-future in round one.
Having said that...  
Klaatu : 4/12/2016 12:38 pm : link
I've made the case that CB should be prioritized over LB. At least we have a full complement of LBs on the roster now. They may not be much, but at least they're here. We're dangerously thin at CB, and we may not have DRC after this year. It's no wonder the Giants reached out to Jerraud Powers, and I expect them to draft a CB with a premium pick regardless of what happens with him.

We may not have JPP after this year, and since Odi is hardly a model of durability, I think it's imperative that the Giants get another young DE in the pipeline (although not necessarily with a premium pick). Ditto for Hankins and DT.
Good Draft for CBs and DTs  
Samiam : 4/12/2016 1:04 pm : link
I've read that teams will be able to get starting caliber CB s and DTs much later in this years draft than usual. If that's true, you look to draft players in the positions where there aren't that many quality players early and get the CBs and DTs later.
I for one  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 1:14 pm : link
Don't want another year of jt Thomas trying to cover rb and te. Jack and Floyd are BPA over Conklin. There are alot of good 2nd or 3rd rd oline. As I said sign and trade for Davis. Then concentrate on d along with wr in the draft.
They can sign powers also  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 1:18 pm : link
His offer still stands and I haven't seen him on any other visits. June 1st cuts are also on the horizon.to many unproven players at fs also. Need to draft one.
RE: I for one  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2016 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12898638 Mike B from JC said:
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Don't want another year of jt Thomas trying to cover rb and te. Jack and Floyd are BPA over Conklin. There are alot of good 2nd or 3rd rd oline. As I said sign and trade for Davis. Then concentrate on d along with wr in the draft.


sign and trade? Davis is signed. Not sure what you mean by sign and trade.
3 Thoughts about Beatty  
RetroJint : 4/12/2016 1:22 pm : link
1. His holding call against the Redskins cost Coughlin what would have been another divisional title in 12. If Coughlin's position is accurately depicted above, it shows you the caliber of man he was. He never held it against his LOT.

2. Who cares when fans consider Beatty soft? What does matter is that his outgoing OC called him that. There is no greater insult to a professional athlete than to have one of his coaches question his toughness. I didn't. You didn't. Gilbride did.

3. I tire of the "There was no choice at that point but to sign him" excuse for Reese's professional misconduct. Even if this is true, Reese bears responsibility for getting himself boxed in like that in the first place. And likewise Baas and Beason. And the departure of Joseph. Same dif. Have an immediate plans in place. A 1-year out plan. A 3-year plan. You see Reese's reluctance into projecting forward yet again by not dealing with Pugh and Hankins.
RE: 3 Thoughts about Beatty  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2016 1:31 pm : link
In comment 12898658 RetroJint said:
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1. His holding call against the Redskins cost Coughlin what would have been another divisional title in 12. If Coughlin's position is accurately depicted above, it shows you the caliber of man he was. He never held it against his LOT.

2. Who cares when fans consider Beatty soft? What does matter is that his outgoing OC called him that. There is no greater insult to a professional athlete than to have one of his coaches question his toughness. I didn't. You didn't. Gilbride did.

3. I tire of the "There was no choice at that point but to sign him" excuse for Reese's professional misconduct. Even if this is true, Reese bears responsibility for getting himself boxed in like that in the first place. And likewise Baas and Beason. And the departure of Joseph. Same dif. Have an immediate plans in place. A 1-year out plan. A 3-year plan. You see Reese's reluctance into projecting forward yet again by not dealing with Pugh and Hankins.

I think you're taking Gilbride's comments on Beatty slightly out of context.

here was the exact quote.

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“We made the gamble that William Beatty would be the guy and he had played very well last year,” Gilbride said. “This year he did not have as good a year, he was much more inconsistent than he had been the year before. He was slowed by some problems and then of course he finished the year with a significant knee injury, so that remains to be seen how he recovers from that. I think there’s no question he has the physical skills to play the left tackle position. He has the skillset to match up speed-wise with anybody. I just think he’s gotta demonstrate again the commitment and the toughness that you have to have on a play-in and play-out basis. There’s no question in my mind he has the physical talent, it’s just a matter of making his consistency be at the level it needs to be.”
I meant get him in a trade  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 1:39 pm : link
Then sign him.thought 9ers only held his rights. Didn't know he was signed
I think Beatty was JAG  
xman : 4/12/2016 1:48 pm : link
except for his one salary push year.
No interest in bringing Beatty back at any price  
Torrag : 4/12/2016 1:52 pm : link
He proved he's a decent athlete playing football...not a football player. Oft injured and now labeled soft by the front office. We've moved on and there's no need to look in the rear view mirror with this guy.
RE: I meant get him in a trade  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2016 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12898691 Mike B from JC said:
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Then sign him.thought 9ers only held his rights. Didn't know he was signed



Good point, I assume, but don't know, once he applies for reinstatement and is active again, his contract with SF (through the 2019 season) is also re-activated.
Which is good pj  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 3:11 pm : link
You'd have him for 4 seasons.already accomplished RT who has already started alot of games. Then concentrate on wr and defense.
RE: No interest in bringing Beatty back at any price  
AP in Halfmoon : 4/12/2016 3:12 pm : link
In comment 12898715 Torrag said:
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He proved he's a decent athlete playing football...not a football player. Oft injured and now labeled soft by the front office. We've moved on and there's no need to look in the rear view mirror with this guy.


The front office labeled him as being soft? See my post above.
I think your right  
Mike B from JC : 4/12/2016 3:14 pm : link
About his salary being reactivated. Only would cost around a 5th? Or maybe a conditional 4th next year. Not a bad price to pay. Solari coached him so he knows him well.
IF he was able to play RT  
msh : 4/13/2016 1:51 pm : link
then i would bring him back provided the price was right and dump newhouse i still want an OT top of the draft would rather have beatty as a backup than newhouse def dont want that starting
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