The sneaky target at #10

problems aside and from what I've been reading, there isn't much not to like about him talent-wise. Too, no guarantee that Hankins doesn't leave via FA

this is not that far off base - JonC has reported that the Giants were high on Nkemdiche

In comment 12904671 Big Blue '56 said:

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problems aside and from what I've been reading, there isn't much not to like about him talent-wise. Too, no guarantee that Hankins doesn't leave via FA

Nobody can deny his talent. HE has big time get off and power. Darnell Docket or Sheldon Richardson type.

He was inconsistent though and didn't always play hard. Same with JPP in college.

but don't you think they would be doing a lot more work on him if they were seriously considering him in the first? I would think there would be more than one meeting. Probably a visit. I don't think that has happened.

The combination of weird and lackadaisical at times makes me think that you would have to have an over the top due diligence process on him. Doesn't seem like that has happened although no one is running their schedule by me...

the tenth pick, but the fact that he takes plays off and and that there even is a question of how much his heart is really into football (especially after he gets paid) scare me

If he is there at 40, then sprint to the podium. Not likely at 10 IMO

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In comment 12904677 Sy'56 said:

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In comment 12904671 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: problems aside and from what I've been reading, there isn't much not to like about him talent-wise. Too, no guarantee that Hankins doesn't leave via FA Nobody can deny his talent. HE has big time get off and power. Darnell Docket or Sheldon Richardson type. He was inconsistent though and didn't always play hard. Same with JPP in college.

So you definitely feel he goes in the first round, possibly top 15?

but the points BW makes are hard to look past.

on path to the draft the other week that it wasn't his off the field stuff that concerned him but his football IQ and lack of awareness that kept popping up on film thus the lack of production. I have no idea if that's the case but guys like that scare me too much.

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I'd pick him over Floyd, he's younger, better fit, and electric when he's on.

Is he lazy or simply paces himself as many players do, more than they care to admit?

Nor do I think he's boom or bust,but he'll probably always leave you wanting more.He should have been a much better player in college.

being the operative words. The problem is the on the field production doesn't outweigh the off the field issues with him. He obviously has elite physical traits, but why isn't that evident more often in his play?


I'd be shocked if he goes in the top 20 picks.

His, at least recent, off-field history, a couple of things I saw during Combine drills that showed him somewhat taking the drill off, his interview on the ESPN? show where they take 4-5 likely high draft picks and put them through drills(sorry I don't remember the show name)and interview, has me concerned.
Maybe at 40, and its also a strong maybe.
And, as much as I love him, OBJs eccentricities have me concerned a little already; another one, who would also be a very key part of the team, could be a team distraction.
But maybe all concerns have been satisfactorily answered when he interviewed with the team.

In comment 12904682 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12904677 Sy'56 said: Quote: In comment 12904671 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: problems aside and from what I've been reading, there isn't much not to like about him talent-wise. Too, no guarantee that Hankins doesn't leave via FA Nobody can deny his talent. HE has big time get off and power. Darnell Docket or Sheldon Richardson type. He was inconsistent though and didn't always play hard. Same with JPP in college. So you definitely feel he goes in the first round, possibly top 15?

I had to do a mock draft ( I hate them!) and I had him go to BUF at 19.

described as "occasionally taking off plays"? It just seems the nature of the beast.

One weird Giants 1st pick DT who doesn't know if he feels like playing football on any given down is enough for a lifetime!

He sounds like William Joseph's evil twin!

I want someone who's at least a 50/50 shot at being productive. Too many 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks who didn't produce helped the Giants get to where they are.

if it came down to those 2 I'd rather see Nkemdiche

Senario (Ten @ 15) I'd be on board

1-RN
2A-Treadwell
2B-Karl Joseph

if he falls and the Giants trade up to the beginning of the second to nab him? Would not surprise me. I'd be thriller if that happened. Wouldn't be crazy about taking him at 10th overall though.

doesn't have the same concerns about drugs is because he didn't walk out of a window while high as shit.

I would like to see us trade down and get Conklin, then trade up for Treadwell or visa-versa. I think this draft is deep in D-linemen and we can get better value backups in rounds 5 & 6. No rookie will start on the DL for the Giants.
We need to finish building the OL once and for all. Vidal Anderson would be another welcome addition.
I think that if we did obtain RT-Anthony Davis from the 49ers that we could play him at RG. I hope that we work a deal with the Jets for Wilkerson as well, possibly for future pics on both guys. Nothing works without great line play. Both sides of the ball will be better all around with our improvements up front. That is what allows all of the other guys to do what they do best.

Not at 10, never at 10.

I've mostly kept to myself as when I have raised it has not been well received. But sign me up. He will be my top player @10

but the Giants just don't draft guys in the 1st round that don't check the intangibles box. People forget that in general, the Giants are a conservative organization and brand. Remember when we signed Martellus Bennett? He was here a year...gone the next year; and then reports come out that he was a strange dude. I just don't see it happening.

When was the last Giants first round pick who was questionable in terms of character or just in general? They play it safe in the first. Even the JPP pick was safe. People said he was raw which he was but that didn't mean he was all potential. He had very good film that showed production as well as hustle.

Unless he is a pass rushing freak. Not a glaring need for Giants as run stuffers can be found elsewhere.

Giants will go OT, WR, or CB like always.

Sources Tell Us "Body beautiful and from the Shawn Oakman school of production. He's a much better talent than Oakman, but Oakman is the better kid. He will not be on our board as a first-round option. If he slides, we'll see." -- NFC executive

would be absolutely stunned if the Giants drafted Nkemdiche at #10. He is the classic “high ceiling” “low floor” player. My guess is that the visits and meetings were just to decide whether to draft him at #40 on the off chance he’s still on the board.

As you note, his performance is inconsistent. The pot will also be concerning if he gets suspended. The Giants surely remember Will Hill. Mara has also said this is a critically important draft. Reese isn’t going to take that kind of chance at #10.

If they really want Nkemdiche, then trade down into the teens or twenties. An extra second will at least provide some insurance if Nkemdiche is a failure, whether because of a lack of motivation or suspensions. And if he’s gone, then just take another DL. This draft is rich at that position.

Cory Coleman or Darron Lee.

interchangeable at DE or DT makes him very attractive to Giants defense.

I wish we could get him at #40 instead but that is unreasonable.

I could see him as the pick.

Not after the Marvin Austin experiment.

"Produced low tackle totals and just 6.5 sacks over three years."

Sounds to me like Mr. Nkemdiche is trying to tell us something loud and clear!

You have a great idea of team needs, as well as in depth analysis of prospects. Would you go with someone who has huge upside, but maybe perceived huge risk? Or someone who is probably going to be very solid with higher floor but lower ceiling?

how did that work out

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how did that work out

Do you realize how many more players didn't work out? You can find one or two examples of just about anything to prove a point. Should we keep trading back and load up on 6th round picks because the Patriots got Tom Brady in the sixth?

If Nkemdiche was as productive as them, this wouldn't be a discussion. He wasn't as productive as Sheldon Richardson was his final year in college.

The Marvin Austin comparison is apt (although Nkemdiche is better)... there's too much of a physical traits-production gap.

off our Board entirely.

Not only did he fall out of a window, but he then threw Tunsil under the bus with him. Not a Giant type of player.

whatever that means. But I was wondering if one of those "bad interviews" was with the Giants.

I think that's an unnecessary reach and gamble now pick 20 or later then the risk becomes a shot at greatness. In this case that's a move back twice or more to obtain additional picks if Elliot, Stanley or Buckner are not there at 10. The NFL is a game where all players take plays off but if you can get a special talent on the field 3/4 of the time then your odds of winning the battle have increased.

If you only watched the Alabama game you'd pick him #1 overall.. But you watch the rest of his games and he's very inconsistent. I wonder if he loves the game as well.

A team has to believe they have the culture on Defense to keep him on the right path. Seattle and Denver have that. Oakland is starting to get it.

Its a hell of a gamble at 10.. I wouldn't take it. A trade back or 40 I would.

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At 10 or 40. Definitely not at 10. Imho, there isn't another player projected to go in the first round who has as high a bust factor.

Smoking weed is one thing. Blowing your interviews because you can't take responsibility over what happened and coming across as a total stoner is quite different. That's without even getting into his play - which many have called lazy.

No thanks.

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If Nkemdiche was as productive as them, this wouldn't be a discussion. He wasn't as productive as Sheldon Richardson was his final year in college. The Marvin Austin comparison is apt (although Nkemdiche is better)... there's too much of a physical traits-production gap.

For a DT, disruption = production.

Sacks for a DT don't mean shit.

And walked away. He s not injury prone. That would be welcomed on the Giants.

He had walked two miles to my house because he was having these bizarre, almost irresistible urges to take a cleaver and chop off his dick. He had his penis out on the table and was raising the knife above it. Felt like he couldn't stop himself. He had eaten a bunch of pot brownies the day before.

I smoked pot a lot when I was young. Never had a problem. My cousin wanted to chop off his penis. It affects people in different ways. I'm not super worried about Nkemdiche's incident.

with him that combined would be to large at 10.

I wouldn't call it a 'surprise' pick as no one knows the Giants draft board. If they have a grade higher than most draft 'pundits' on Lawson, Ogbah or Dodd they will pull the trigger on a pass rusher without hesitation.

but the biggest concern is his lack on interest on the field. I think it's a good idea to take him off the draft board entirely.

is a real concern for me. Joe Don Looney was a massive talent as well, but he was "weird," too. How did that turn out?

We wouldn't be drafting BPA, we would be a drafting player who may have the "potential" to be BPA.

Always troubled by players whose "can-do" outweighs what they "did-do".

Value based on 2016 likely minutes on the field is not there.

In no particular order: WR(may not be a player worth the pick), OT (particularly if a LT type) CB are immediate plug and play all downs. It appears that there will be relative value available at OT and CB.

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If Nkemdiche was as productive as them, this wouldn't be a discussion. He wasn't as productive as Sheldon Richardson was his final year in college. The Marvin Austin comparison is apt (although Nkemdiche is better)... there's too much of a physical traits-production gap.

That's exactly my concern with Nkemdiche...the physical skills are undeniable...but the guy has 2 strikes again...

Strike the guy looks like Tarzan and had production like Jane...strike 2...serious off the field concerns...and with Johnny Manziel and Josh Gordon in the news as a daily reminder...Nkemdiche @ 10 may be too much risk..,

If the Giants want to go DT...I want Andrew Billings an absolute beast...the guy is a former Texas state high school power lifting champion...Billings was the co Big 12 player of the year along with Ogbah (DE Oklahoma St)...

You can see it on tape with Billings...a dominate player in the middle of a defense...maybe didn't have gaudy sack #...what I consistently saw was an absolute dominate player...that was consistently getting push like a bull consistently against 2-3 OL which over time would wear out consistently offensive lineman at the end of games...saw an interesting quote from the Kansas coach about Billings..."the most physically imposing DT and the best he has faced since Suh"...