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dep026 : 4/15/2016 11:12 pm
aka the Warriors coronation begins tomorrow. I dont see too many upsets in the first round, maybe the Pacers over the Raptors, because the 3, 4, 5, 6 and seeds are all very even.

News to note. I have been mentioning for months now that the ideal person to coach the TWolves is Thibs because he has the pieces of a great defensive team with Rubio/Towns/Dieng. If he could mold Lavine and Wiggins, its just the ideal spot, and rumors are he is their number 1 choice. It almost makes too much sense. If they can win a top 2 selection in the lottery and somehow get Simmons or Ingram..... watch out. I think that will be a good match for both parties involved.
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I think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/25/2016 11:53 am : link
Durant is better than Westbrook, but Westbrook is just so ball dominant and he is not only hitting his shots, but he has turned into a much smarter passer and is creating fantastic ball movement.

Russ has been a major force, but I love what Steven Adams is bringing to the team this playoffs. I think he's been more important than Ibaka and he is out Draymond-ing Draymond.
RE: I think  
dep026 : 5/25/2016 11:56 am : link
In comment 12970669 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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Durant is better than Westbrook, but Westbrook is just so ball dominant and he is not only hitting his shots, but he has turned into a much smarter passer and is creating fantastic ball movement.

Russ has been a major force, but I love what Steven Adams is bringing to the team this playoffs. I think he's been more important than Ibaka and he is out Draymond-ing Draymond.


Its been a few times in the broadcast, however a missing thing thing that people arent really talking about is Ibaka's jumper. He been money outside game 2 of this series against SA and GSW.
They're all playing well  
santacruzom : 5/25/2016 1:10 pm : link
Even freaking Waiters!

I mean, you can assume that one of Durant or Westbrook are going to play great, you can fathom that both might, you can even fathom that Ibaka will return to form. But Jesus, I didn't think Waiters would start to hustle like crazy or that Robertson would score 17.
I think Durant is better  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/25/2016 1:18 pm : link
than Westbrook. But Westbrook is the head of the snake considering how much he has the ball as Paul said earlier. There's a reason why Kawhi was guarding Russ more often.

In this playoff run though? Westbrook has been better although Durant's had his moments.

Russ is one of a kind though. There have been athletic PGs before like Francis, Davis, Rose, KJ, etc. but none of them were as relentless as Russell.
RE: I think  
giantsfan44ab : 5/25/2016 1:20 pm : link
In comment 12970669 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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Durant is better than Westbrook, but Westbrook is just so ball dominant and he is not only hitting his shots, but he has turned into a much smarter passer and is creating fantastic ball movement.

Russ has been a major force, but I love what Steven Adams is bringing to the team this playoffs. I think he's been more important than Ibaka and he is out Draymond-ing Draymond.


They touched on this on the post game show. KD is better (and I think the evidence is in the last 2 seasons, KD dragged his team into the playoffs without Westbrook and won MVP and while Westbrook went bonkers without KD he's not able to consistently churn out wins like KD no matter what the situation is). But KD is more versatile in that he can play off the ball as dangerously as with the ball. Westbrook isn't the same and so KD has deferred to Westbrook. Russ gets easy looks for his bigs unlike KD can. Both players have adjusted to accommodate for each other's games (Russ has become a willing passer and KD has dedicated his minutes to moving well off the ball) and it's looking like a thing of beauty.
Russ is also such an emotional force  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2016 1:23 pm : link
The rest of the team feeds off his energy, and the crowd does too. You could just see how aggressive and intense the Thunder were. The Warriors just look kind of dazed in comparison. If not for Klay going nuts in the third quarter, they could have lost that game by 40+.

Saw a report just now that Steph is playing at "70% at best". I believe it. Yeah, Russ is overpowering him at the other end and playing good defense on him, but we've seen Steph torch a lot of excellent defenders all year long. It's not just Russ, I do truly believe that a lot of it is Steph not being right physically.
RE: They're all playing well  
giantsfan44ab : 5/25/2016 1:29 pm : link
In comment 12970816 santacruzom said:
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Even freaking Waiters!

I mean, you can assume that one of Durant or Westbrook are going to play great, you can fathom that both might, you can even fathom that Ibaka will return to form. But Jesus, I didn't think Waiters would start to hustle like crazy or that Robertson would score 17.


I think this playoff run is as much about the coming out party for all the role players as it is about Russ/KD. Adams has looked the part of a top 10 center with his disruption on defense and the offensive glass as well as his efficiency. Waiters, for the first time in his career, doesn't look like he wants to chuck a long 2 every time he gets the ball and is hustling on defense. Roberson came out of nowhere and is looking like a much more complete player than Sefalosha. He brings the defense but he's also great on the glass and is good around the rim. He's converting those baseline cuts almost every time. Kanter isn't as much of a factor in this series (as probably most expected) but he's been an elite rebounder for the last few seasons and can exploit mismatches down low. Ibaka has been hitting jump shots too.
If he was 70% at best  
David in LA : 5/25/2016 1:32 pm : link
why was he on Westbrook so much? It's not like GSW was blowing the doors off of OKC in regular season. They match up well. Durant is completely destroying GSW's small ball lineup in almost every facet. GSW looks like a team that doesn't have the answers in this series IMO.
RE: Russ is also such an emotional force  
giantsfan44ab : 5/25/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 12970852 Greg from LI said:
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The rest of the team feeds off his energy, and the crowd does too. You could just see how aggressive and intense the Thunder were. The Warriors just look kind of dazed in comparison. If not for Klay going nuts in the third quarter, they could have lost that game by 40+.

Saw a report just now that Steph is playing at "70% at best". I believe it. Yeah, Russ is overpowering him at the other end and playing good defense on him, but we've seen Steph torch a lot of excellent defenders all year long. It's not just Russ, I do truly believe that a lot of it is Steph not being right physically.


Steph hasn't been worked on defense like this in the playoffs the last two years. He didn't have to face Kyrie or Conley last year. Dame is the only real threat he faced but GS won that series because of how outmatched Portand's frontcourt was. That's not the case with OKC. If he gets torched by Russ that means easy looks for guys that concert easy shots (KD, Adams and now even Roberson). There's been nowhere to disguise Curry on defense and Draymond isn't always there now to cleanup due to spacing.
If the Warriors  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/25/2016 1:38 pm : link
hit their shots in Game 5, things will look a lot differently. Sometimes it's just a matter of that. Just a week ago, the Warriors dominated by 27.

Everyone on the Thunder looks good right now because everyone's job is easier when the players are clicking. It starts with Russell and Durant-- both are playing well, and that opens up the floor.

Plus, with the Warriors playing poorly (obviously the Thunder are a big reason defensively), it causes turnovers and odd-man breaks and a lot of easy looks for the Thunder's role players.

It's like when the Warriors are clicking and you see guys like Barnes, Ezeli, and Iguodala go off.

As an example, the reason Iguodala won MVP or gets the points he does in these series is because offensively, Steph and Klay create such wide open looks for him.
I think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/25/2016 1:44 pm : link
criticism of Curry's defense is overstated. He's fine on the perimeter. He interrupts a lot of passing lanes and has quick hands that create steals. He just isn't physical enough to body explosive point guards like Westbrook. The bigger problem is that when guards get into the paint, the Warriors frontcourt need to step up. But that frontcourt is getting abused by Ibaka and Adams because Bogut can't stay out of foul trouble and Draymond is getting outworked/out-played

It's worth noting that when Westbrook plays at this level, no one can stop him. He's hitting his 3's and pull-ups, and he is making good passes in the paint.

I do think they should put Klay on Westbrook because that extra length will make it harder and WEstbrook will be less "wide open" as he goes to the rim.
another problem  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/25/2016 1:45 pm : link
for the Warriors is that the refs are letting the Thunder be very, very physical with him when he's off the ball. He gets mugged and obstructed with every motion and so he's having a hard time getting open without being just gassed on each play and I think it's showing up in his legs.
Another thing that i feel like has been overhyped is  
giantsfan44ab : 5/25/2016 1:48 pm : link
how good the GS bench really is. Same goes for the Spurs bench as well. Shaun Livingtson is a legit player and Ezeli can be a force at times but the rest seem like average/replaceable players for the most part. They put up nice numbers in the regular season but aren't as reliable in the half court offense. Barbosa is a far cry from what he was 5-6 years ago. Speights can't jump or defend and his game is chucking long 2s, which is the shot a defense will give him every time. I don't think the Warriors bench is better than say, the Cavs or Raptors bench. You switch Delly, Frye and JR onto GS and I don't think there's much of a difference
RE: I think  
giantsfan44ab : 5/25/2016 1:52 pm : link
In comment 12970899 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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criticism of Curry's defense is overstated. He's fine on the perimeter. He interrupts a lot of passing lanes and has quick hands that create steals. He just isn't physical enough to body explosive point guards like Westbrook. The bigger problem is that when guards get into the paint, the Warriors frontcourt need to step up. But that frontcourt is getting abused by Ibaka and Adams because Bogut can't stay out of foul trouble and Draymond is getting outworked/out-played

It's worth noting that when Westbrook plays at this level, no one can stop him. He's hitting his 3's and pull-ups, and he is making good passes in the paint.

I do think they should put Klay on Westbrook because that extra length will make it harder and WEstbrook will be less "wide open" as he goes to the rim.


I never criticized Curry's defense. He's a decent if not good defender. He's well above the likes of Kyrie and Lillars. His defense isn't the issue. They hide him onto weaker offensive players mostly to conserve his energy for offense. Sticking Draymond on Roberson and playing completely off of him has backfired as Steph has to work on Russell now and forces him to settle for bad shots instead of working to create space.
wasn't necessarily directed at you  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/25/2016 2:05 pm : link
there is a general sentiment out there lambasting Curry's defense, which I think is overstated.
If anyone should get lambasted for defense it's Draymond  
David in LA : 5/25/2016 2:09 pm : link
He's got nothing without his chippiness. It's like I'm watching Roy Hibbert's disappearing act.
RE: wasn't necessarily directed at you  
giantsfan44ab : 5/25/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12970933 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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there is a general sentiment out there lambasting Curry's defense, which I think is overstated.


It's no secret that they hide Curry whenever they get the chance to, and that's partly for energy reasons and partly because they have plenty of better perimeter defenders on the roster.

I think Westbrook is the biggest mismatch in the league. I know it's cliche but it seems that the best antidote to Russ is himself. It's his wild drives to the rim and awful 3 point shots he takes that destroys OKC. But he's been getting the better of it this year.

I picked OKC to win it all at the beginning of the year but had huge concerns with RW after the SA series. The game plan for SA was to let him take as many 3s as he likes and that backfired, but that's probably the best game plan. I thought that shot would stop falling sooner or later as that's the same plan GS is utilizing. More power to Westbrook if he can make them.
this is fucking atrocious  
dep026 : 5/27/2016 9:26 pm : link
nothing but bitching babies on the court.
RE: RE: wasn't necessarily directed at you  
santacruzom : 5/27/2016 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12970952 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 12970933 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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there is a general sentiment out there lambasting Curry's defense, which I think is overstated.



It's no secret that they hide Curry whenever they get the chance to, and that's partly for energy reasons and partly because they have plenty of better perimeter defenders on the roster.

I think Westbrook is the biggest mismatch in the league. I know it's cliche but it seems that the best antidote to Russ is himself. It's his wild drives to the rim and awful 3 point shots he takes that destroys OKC. But he's been getting the better of it this year.

I picked OKC to win it all at the beginning of the year but had huge concerns with RW after the SA series. The game plan for SA was to let him take as many 3s as he likes and that backfired, but that's probably the best game plan. I thought that shot would stop falling sooner or later as that's the same plan GS is utilizing. More power to Westbrook if he can make them.


Someone watched all the plays in which Curry was the primary defender on Westbrook. His stats: 8/25 with 7 TO's.
RE: ....  
Route 9 : 5/27/2016 11:05 pm : link
In comment 12905357 Route 9 said:
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Don’t watch too much basketball. As an outsider, does anyone have a realistic shot in the East other than leBron? Or is it gonna be Warriors vs LebRon II?


Well...Was it close?
This is the game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/28/2016 3:43 pm : link
Westbrook and Durant laughed at Curry. Laughed at him.

We all know Steph has a "fuck it, I'm going for 80" game in him. I pray that it's tonight. Unanimous MVP needs to show up and remind the world who the best player in this series is.
In this thread  
dep026 : 5/28/2016 4:54 pm : link
One thing we should all remember... ABC

anybody but cleveland.
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dep026 : 5/28/2016 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12974316 Route 9 said:
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In comment 12905357 Route 9 said:


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Don’t watch too much basketball. As an outsider, does anyone have a realistic shot in the East other than leBron? Or is it gonna be Warriors vs LebRon II?



Well...Was it close?


Go back to your own thread and root for letang and the penguins :)
RE: This is the game  
santacruzom : 5/28/2016 6:54 pm : link
In comment 12974741 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Westbrook and Durant laughed at Curry. Laughed at him.

We all know Steph has a "fuck it, I'm going for 80" game in him. I pray that it's tonight. Unanimous MVP needs to show up and remind the world who the best player in this series is.


It's possible, but it won't come in a vacuum. That's why I'm hoping that it's Adams instead of Bogut who gets into early foul trouble, as happened in the last game.
Nba wants okc to win  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2016 9:21 pm : link
Ed Malloy is officiating the ultimate Homer official, whenever the crowd is into it he makes his calls based on the crowd, he is the ultimate momentum official...

If it is a block charge call and the home team has momentum he is calling a block and the and1
Poor game from KD.  
bceagle05 : 5/28/2016 10:30 pm : link
Plenty of time to atone, however.
RE: Nba wants okc to win  
dep026 : 5/28/2016 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12974971 nygiants16 said:
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Ed Malloy is officiating the ultimate Homer official, whenever the crowd is into it he makes his calls based on the crowd, he is the ultimate momentum official...

If it is a block charge call and the home team has momentum he is calling a block and the and1


He tends to red a lot of lebron james home games.
Well  
madhatter9382 : 5/28/2016 10:43 pm : link
I liked the call they made against okc when curry tripped over his own teamate and drew a foul
RE: Nba wants okc to win  
santacruzom : 5/28/2016 10:45 pm : link
In comment 12974971 nygiants16 said:
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Ed Malloy is officiating the ultimate Homer official, whenever the crowd is into it he makes his calls based on the crowd, he is the ultimate momentum official...

If it is a block charge call and the home team has momentum he is calling a block and the and1


I gotta say, I have no complaints. I mean, one of the offensive fouls against GS was silly, but in general they're letting both teams play.
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nygiants16 : 5/28/2016 10:45 pm : link
In comment 12975009 dep026 said:
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In comment 12974971 nygiants16 said:


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Ed Malloy is officiating the ultimate Homer official, whenever the crowd is into it he makes his calls based on the crowd, he is the ultimate momentum official...

If it is a block charge call and the home team has momentum he is calling a block and the and1



He tends to red a lot of lebron james home games.


Oh he is awful, usually when he is officiating I turn the game off, between his awful calls and playing to the crowd he is unbearble...

Close game so far, seems like both teams are not playing their best,both teams have had spurts
RE: RE: Nba wants okc to win  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2016 10:46 pm : link
In comment 12975013 santacruzom said:
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In comment 12974971 nygiants16 said:


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Ed Malloy is officiating the ultimate Homer official, whenever the crowd is into it he makes his calls based on the crowd, he is the ultimate momentum official...

If it is a block charge call and the home team has momentum he is calling a block and the and1



I gotta say, I have no complaints. I mean, one of the offensive fouls against GS was silly, but in general they're letting both teams play.


Yeah so far surprisingly good
this is just a good game  
adambear : 5/28/2016 10:49 pm : link
no complains just enjoying watching it
Hmm  
madhatter9382 : 5/28/2016 11:09 pm : link
Clay and curry should be guarded at all times, I don't understand how/why they are ever allowed to get an open look from anywhere on the floor
Because it's not easy  
adambear : 5/28/2016 11:10 pm : link
to guard them? haha
Aw shit  
santacruzom : 5/28/2016 11:14 pm : link
The Thunder are gonna be in the bonus half the quarter.
Draymond is carrying his frustrations  
giantsfan44ab : 5/28/2016 11:19 pm : link
into every play. Last man to get back on D.
RE: Because it's not easy  
madhatter9382 : 5/28/2016 11:24 pm : link
In comment 12975026 adambear said:
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to guard them? haha



Yea, I understand you aren't allowed to play defense in today's nba but still, you sometimes see these guys wide open.
drains it  
GMenLTS : 5/28/2016 11:29 pm : link
.
instant replay fuck OKC here  
dep026 : 5/28/2016 11:35 pm : link
Because westbrook got fouled. But since you can't make it a foul, they lose the ball.

This is an awful, awful rule.
No need to use that last foul.  
Mad Mike : 5/28/2016 11:37 pm : link
Good job okc.
Durant and westbrook  
dep026 : 5/28/2016 11:38 pm : link
Failed them at the end of the game.
There was the foul.  
Mad Mike : 5/28/2016 11:39 pm : link
They were saving it, because of course.
Great finish to this game.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/28/2016 11:39 pm : link
- Champions' heart shown by Warriors
- Warriors kept game close in 1st half despite not playing particularly well
- Durant & Westbrook were awful at the end
Klay and Curry  
Ash_3 : 5/28/2016 11:40 pm : link
showed up. Durant and Westbrook couldn't even hang on to the fucking ball the last few minutes of the game. They couldn't even buy a bucket. Pathetic.

And now we're going to have to hear this bloody coronation with GS. The 96 Bulls beat em in 6.
OKC  
dep026 : 5/28/2016 11:43 pm : link
Downfall all year has been blown 4th quarter leads.
Wasn't OKC's only basket late scored by Andre Roberson?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/28/2016 11:44 pm : link
That's embarrassing.

Iguodala played fucking GREAT at the end.
I wouldn't be surprised  
Ash_3 : 5/28/2016 11:45 pm : link
if OKC gets skull%#*@?! in game 7.
Durant and Westbrook awoke a beast with their comments  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2016 11:45 pm : link
Okc looks shell shocked, I don't know how they come back and win game 7 but you never know in a game 7
I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if OKC won game 7.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/28/2016 11:47 pm : link
I honestly think they've been the better team through 6 games, but they can't overcome complete bed-shittings from either of their stars.
RE: I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if OKC won game 7.  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2016 11:51 pm : link
In comment 12975070 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I honestly think they've been the better team through 6 games, but they can't overcome complete bed-shittings from either of their stars.


That building is going to be rocking and golden state is going to have a ton of momentum, I know they say every game is different than but there will be momentum from this game going into 7...

I think curry and Thompson go crazy monday...

Adam's will get thrown out for trying to throw a Haymarket at Drayton green...

I see a 10 for 30 shooting performance by Westbrook coming
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