More reading the clues but here is my stab at what current Giant thinking my be.
Stand Pat at 10:
Floyd (love pass.rush ability combined with true linebacker skills and excellent coverage ability)
Hargreaves
OR a surprise drop like Jack
Trade down a few spots (like the year we drafted Kiwi):
Any of the guys we may have drafted even at 10 if they are still there (like Floyd)
-or-
Conklin
Decker
Treadwell
Darren Lee
If the Giants really like what they think they can get at 15-20 , feel the grade drop (vs. a player at 10) would be smaller than the value of the caliber player(s) they can get with the extra pick(s) they may pull the trigger. This is similar to what they said the last time we traded down to draft Kiwinauka.
Another early 2nd or 3rd in addition to our own nets us TWO guys like Sterling Shephard,Mike Thomas,Doctson,Boyd and maybe one of the Safeties like Joseph,Bell or Simmons. Or a tackle/OG we could really like.
Thus year with our needs and the way the value is stacking up in the top 50 or so picks, I really see it lining up well for a trade down should we find someone willing to give us a strong deal (Tennessee? )
Ramsey
Jack
Bosa
Buckner
Tunsil
You are guaranteed a game changer that way.
Imagine landing Treadwell then 2 highly rated prospects from a FS, combo slot CB/S,DE, OL grouping? Not a bad haul considering our needs.
Ramsey
Jack
Bosa
Buckner
Tunsil
You are guaranteed a game changer that way.
Not the year, Giants are not one player away. We have too many needs. Im thinking the grade would have to be just so ridiculously high to consider that.
Ramsey
Jack
Bosa
Buckner
Tunsil
You are guaranteed a game changer that way.
No. And there's no guarantee a 2 would be enough.
Imagine landing Treadwell then 2 highly rated prospects from a FS, combo slot CB/S,DE, OL grouping? Not a bad haul considering our needs.
Agree. Although I'd rather take a Shepard or Boyd in the second and take a Conklin or Rankins at 15.
All this speculation, like the Giants front office checks in on BBI, as to what they should do...
Lets face it, Reese better have a plan.....hopefully it's the right one....
You may still be able to get Floyd at 15. As Giants may have a higher grade on him than most. Risk benefit analysis.
I don't understand the fascination with trade down scenarios on BBI, but I think there is virtually no chance of the a Giants doing it, and in my opinion you don't even consider it unless you get a ridiculous haul from a team that is desperate for a specific player at 10.
The Bears and Saints draft immediately after us. We are likely all in the market for pass rushers. If one drops, then a team further back in R1 may pick up the phone, but otherwise I wouldn't expect a call.
I don't understand the fascination with trade down scenarios on BBI, but I think there is virtually no chance of the a Giants doing it, and in my opinion you don't even consider it unless you get a ridiculous haul from a team that is desperate for a specific player at 10.
The Bears and Saints draft immediately after us. We are likely all in the market for pass rushers. If one drops, then a team further back in R1 may pick up the phone, but otherwise I wouldn't expect a call.
At 10 the few tier 1 blue chippers may be all gone anyways. Our tier 2 guys may be a pretty good list. Trade down still get a tier 2 guy and pick up another premium round pick. It's similar to what we did the year we drafted Mathias
The reason Accorsi traded down in the Kiwi year is that we had Kiwi VERY high on our board but did not want to draft another DE. After trading down twice, the team felt that they could no longer ignore his talent. Let's face it, there is NO position on this team so deep that we couldn't benefit from another good player...OK, maybe linebacker.
JK, I'll be here all week.
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for an extra #2 and needs to hit home runs on their first three picks though two rounds.
I don't know if they are desperate but we could really use an extra second.
When you miss the playoffs for five straight years, had a 6-10 record and still have a roster with a ton of holes I'd hate to see what does qualify as desperate.
The only clue - and even this one is sketchy - is that they seem to like Leonard Floyd. They might take him at 10, or later in the first round after trading down, or at 40, or never. Everything else is pure speculation, based on fans' views on Floyd and what they might like the team to do.
And the 2006 draft was certainly not something I think you want to try and emulate. Kiwi was an average DE at best. The only other player who produced from that draft class was Cofield who was selected in the 4th round.
If you can move back a few slots and still get the guy you want, then do it. That is just not a scenario that presents itself often, and the team historically has been more apt to trade up than trade down.
As we know, the way he was handled by coaching staffs' moving him around did not help his career.
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More reading the clues but here is my stab at what current Giant thinking my be.
The only clue - and even this one is sketchy - is that they seem to like Leonard Floyd. They might take him at 10, or later in the first round after trading down, or at 40, or never. Everything else is pure speculation, based on fans' views on Floyd and what they might like the team to do.
Your friend Ranaan, who nailed the Flowers pick last year when many other pundits thought otherwise, thinks it Floyd. He's not the only one with some insider connections who feels that he along with Hargreaves are the top 2. He fits the bill in a number of ways that have been discussed ad nauseum previously. These are certainly fluid situations with alot of things having to fall a certain way to work out but I'd say it's a little better than 'sketchy'.
And the 2006 draft was certainly not something I think you want to try and emulate. Kiwi was an average DE at best. The only other player who produced from that draft class was Cofield who was selected in the 4th round.
If you can move back a few slots and still get the guy you want, then do it. That is just not a scenario that presents itself often, and the team historically has been more apt to trade up than trade down.
Yeah, think it's academic because Reese has never done it. It would take too much creativity.
Let me know when you are in need in turn!
I agree with you, Kiwi was ill-conceived pick to be trading down so far to focus on him. Ngata, Mangold, DeAngelo Williams, Holmes, Cromartie all sitting there, some other decent players too.
Of course, we coupled that mis-step with the choice of the immortal Sinorice Moss with our 2nd pick.
I would suggest there is a pretty good chance we might see a repeat of last year where they moved up in round 2 to grab a player they are really high on. They will essentially be able to come away with two players of a first round grade and projected day 1 starters. If they are going to be aggressive in going and getting their guy, that is when I would expect to see it.
Mara has said they in need of impact players. I don't see the trade down scenario as consistent with that. A team's core is made up of a handful of key guys, hopefully difference makers, on each side of the ball, it does not consist of 22. My sense is that is how they approached FA and expect the same later this month. They will look to sensibly priced veterans and UDRFA to "fill remaining holes", IMO.
Coach, based on the Round 2 pick of Moss at 44, the Giants were picking at the 12 slot, which should indicate that Ngata (12th pick) and certainly Cromartie (19th) were still on the board. Perhaps in the case of Ngata, there was a tie in 2005 such that two or more teams rotated their selections, round to round.
We drafted a RT already last year
No one trades down from a top ten pick. Someone has to be desperate enough to TRADE UP and give up what it takes in additional picks to do so.
When you say "pull the trigger" in regards to Reese, you make it sound like his phone has been ringing off the hook with teams looking to move up, and he's said no. If anything, the exact opposite would be true, and no one was bitting on a trade up.
But you have to find a team to trade with. Other teams know the draft is deep so why would they trade up to 10 and give up a second rounder? To me, you only do that for a QB and Goff and Wentz will be long gone by the time the Giants pick
You are correct. NYG traded down in 1st then traded UP in 2nd to select Moss
I really want Floyd. I'm scared Tampa takes him at 9.
They will look at their board just after pick 9 and see right away if a guy is there that is significantly better than the players in the next lower tear. Big difference, stay at 10 and select player. Little to no difference in their rankings for the next few picks? Trade down if possible.
It's really not something to be concerned with. The draft is so dynamic as guys come off the board. Remember, even if the Giants decide it would be best to trade down, there has to be a team willing to move up to get pick 10.
And the 2006 draft was certainly not something I think you want to try and emulate. Kiwi was an average DE at best. The only other player who produced from that draft class was Cofield who was selected in the 4th round.
If you can move back a few slots and still get the guy you want, then do it. That is just not a scenario that presents itself often, and the team historically has been more apt to trade up than trade down.
To be totally fair, Kiwi flashed early but the Giants arguably destroyed his career moving him all over the place. It was the best for the team but not best for actualizing Kiwi's potential. Sometimes I think their keeping of him beyond his expiration date was partly a way of showing loyalty for what he gave to the team.
If you get a "proven" guy with at least two years on his digestible contract you aren't "reaching" - you have a STARTER and that matters on a team with this many holes.
At #15 you still get a quality guy and at #3 you get a quality DL or OL.
When some of you say " oh we should just trade down" and have no rumored deal, it's just DUMB.
All this speculation, like the Giants front office checks in on BBI, as to what they should do...
Lets face it, Reese better have a plan.....hopefully it's the right one....
Because for Christ sakes....Naasib has absolutely no value to any other team but us.
Wait....you were being sarcastic. Sorry.
I can hear it already,because that's the idiocy of most on BBI.
Know virtually nothing about actuall football but love to bitch and act like experts! :)
Stand pat at 10 and draft BPA all day...
We need quality not quanity!!!
If we think we can still get a player at a need position with a similar grade and pick up an extra premium pick (considering all our many needs) you pull the trigger
Any other scenario barring the unlikely slide of a Top 5 talent like Bosa or Jack and I'd welcome an offer to trade out in exchange for a 3rd Rounder.
Any other scenario barring the unlikely slide of a Top 5 talent like Bosa or Jack and I'd welcome an offer to trade out in exchange for a 3rd Rounder.
Whether you agree or not, don't think Stanley is high on Giants list. You NEVER hear his name mentioned with anyone with credible connections to the front office.
Hargreaves OTOH is very likely very high on list. I think they would be quite happy with him if they can't get Floyd.
2. A team that is willing to trade down. If the second team is eager to trade down, all the better. But it certainly isn't necessary.
#1 is the big question mark. We don't know which players will be on the board at 10, which teams will want those players, or what sort of price they might offer.
#2 should be easier to fulfill, but history indicates that the current NYG regime is loathe to trade down even when circumstances seem to favor it. They appear to enter the draft with a well-defined set of targets, and if they can get those guys, they don't seem to worry to much about "value" or "over-drafting".
So if they really like Floyd, and he's available at #10, they are much more likely to pick him than to trade down on the assumption that nobody else likes him as much. And that's assuming he really is their guy, which he may or may not be.
I don't see another team really wanting to trade up to #10 unless they really want a certain QB.
I hope the Jets will trade #20 to the Giants for #10 and the Jets 2nd rounder (pick 20). Jets move ahead 10 slots in the first round, get their QB and there will be a good pick for the Giants at 20. Maybe even Tredwell. Then the Giants pick 9th and 20th in the second round.
One poster said we need quality, not quantity. I think we need both.
Would anyone else like this trade?
Maybe we'd like it to be the question. Maybe it should be the question. But it's almost certainly not the question, because that's not how this regime operates, as counter-intuitive and irritating as it may be. If you want a team that applies game theory to every draft pick, go root for New England... Or this year, maybe for Tennessee. As a Giant fan, expect them to do what they always do: target specific players, and snag them when the opportunity arises.
Ramsey
Jack
Bosa
Buckner
Tunsil
You are guaranteed a game changer that way.
You are never guaranteed a game changer in the draft. And generally, a team that moves up in the draft over pays, and one that moves down makes out better. of course, that requires a trading partner who is more excited about a prospect than he should be.