I am not a draft expert here but 1 thing that scares me about Treadwell is his speed. We all saw how quickly Nicks lost his speed (I know injuries) and how ineffective he became. For those that know, how does the Nicks game compare to Treadwell?
but slower in the three cone and the 20 yard shuttle. Treadwell is quicker.
Treadwell is a good football player. He knocks the snot out of people as a blocker. Catches the ball very well. Battles. If you watch his games, he had to wait for the ball to arrive all the time.
The comparison of him to Ramses Barden is laughable. This guy dominated at the highest level of football. He played against the best defender from the other team every week. And he suffered from a QB who only saw half the field and was late with his delivery of the ball.
he averaged 15.7 ypc in college vs 11.8 for treadwell
Is the most over rated thing I've ever seen. They should have to do the speed drills in equipment. How does the 40 time with shorts and a t shirt translate with an additional 10 pounds of equipment.
is a good pick. people want to talk about straight speed, how often is it on display? its about short quick bursts in and out of breaks. i think he will be a very solid WR in the NFL and would be a PERFECT compliment to OBJ. he could draw some double teams in red zone due to his sheer size and catching ability. he attacks the football and in the redzone that would be a huge threat. the ability to help free up OBJ some would make our offense that much better. I for one would be perfectly fine sliding back a few spots and taking treadwell
who ended up with 2 great years, 3 decent years and a Super Bowl ring?
I might just take that.
I would take that especially with Nicks performance in the playoffs that year. It is incredible to see how such a talented star fell to nothing so quickly.
Much longer with absurdly long arms at over 35". Jumps a lot higher. If a ball is the air Evans gets much higher. 8+" inches higher. Is this really a good comp?
Treadwell beat the jam repeatedly in college, and I have no
concerns about his ability to do so in the pros. I wouldn't be surprised if we took him if Floyd and Hargreaves are off the board. About a month ago I said that he was better than Nicks. I'm not sure I was right about the pre-injury Nicks, but Treadwell would be a fine complement to OBJ.
It's my understanding that he wouldn't run at the combine, ran on his very fast home track and still only turned in a 4.65.
If so, then that translates into more than a 4.7 on the combine track and that IS slow. 12 in the bench press is not wowing anyone either.
I think he is likely to be a decent pro with some bust potential. That's not near to a no. 10 IMHO.
Is the opinion of someone that should shut up all the dumb remarks about his 40 time, but it won't. If you can take the time to read it. Link - ( New Window )
Train with a track coach for months on how to run a 40?
Where did he run that 4.59?
Is it possible to come up with something better than the inaccurate Jerry Rice 40 rebuttal? Maybe a player from the past 30 years would be more appropriate?
Rice averaged 15.6 yards per catch in college, Treadwell 11.8.
For the millionth time, its not about stop watch speed only. It's about showing you can get deep regularly regardless of your timed speed. Rice, Nicks, Fitzgerald... all the other great slow 40 time WR did that in college. Not Treadwell.
I brought it up to make a point about his time proving he is good. LOL. Thanks for agreeing with me. Times mean little, Rice was never fast, timed, practicing it or fucking not. But he got behind defenders all the time and was rarely caught from behind.
I am not saying Treadwell will be good or won't be, but when time is brought up it is a poor argument. Unreal.
Nicks' 10yd split was 73% for WRs. On that basis alone, you can throw away Nicks' "slow" 40yd as having any meaning.
Nicks had percentiles in basically every other athletic testing, and proved he could play outside as an X receiver and be productive. But his injuries to his legs robbed him of his average speed and turned him into a poor player despite his age.
Treadwell might not be able to play on the outside as Nicks did. I suspect that he's simply best as a slot receiver who can box out nickel DBs and out muscle tackles in the middle of hte field. He's not a jump ball receiver.
A future all pro type at 10. That's not Treadwell. And he slow as shit. His 40 was hand rimed at his workout. Mohamed Sanu ran a lot faster and had a ton of production in college and has been a solid pro. I think he's a good comparison. Good player sure. 10 th pick. Nope. There will be better players on the board.
When the Giants drafted Nicks, he was noted for having huge mitts. I wonder if his large hands are close to Beckham's? I don't think Treadwell was blessed with large hands.
I might just take that.
Ramses also never could learn the offense
Evans is also faster than Treadwell.
Treadwell is a good football player. He knocks the snot out of people as a blocker. Catches the ball very well. Battles. If you watch his games, he had to wait for the ball to arrive all the time.
The comparison of him to Ramses Barden is laughable. This guy dominated at the highest level of football. He played against the best defender from the other team every week. And he suffered from a QB who only saw half the field and was late with his delivery of the ball.
I might just take that.
At 10? It's not like Nick's was an MVP in that game or anything.
It is in the 30 yard dash...
I might just take that.
I would take that especially with Nicks performance in the playoffs that year. It is incredible to see how such a talented star fell to nothing so quickly.
The LSU kid gave him a lot of trouble when he pressed him.
If so, then that translates into more than a 4.7 on the combine track and that IS slow. 12 in the bench press is not wowing anyone either.
I think he is likely to be a decent pro with some bust potential. That's not near to a no. 10 IMHO.
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Where did he run that 4.59?
Is it possible to come up with something better than the inaccurate Jerry Rice 40 rebuttal? Maybe a player from the past 30 years would be more appropriate?
Screw the press ... they don't play football - they just write about it. Screw 'em.
The LSU kid gave him a lot of trouble when he pressed him.
KWALL, very interesting. I was just going on the games I'd watched and clips.
Rice averaged 15.6 yards per catch in college, Treadwell 11.8.
For the millionth time, its not about stop watch speed only. It's about showing you can get deep regularly regardless of your timed speed. Rice, Nicks, Fitzgerald... all the other great slow 40 time WR did that in college. Not Treadwell.
I am not saying Treadwell will be good or won't be, but when time is brought up it is a poor argument. Unreal.
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Treadwell is more like Mike Evans but 3 inches shorter and better hands. Evans has been a solid player.
Evans is also faster than Treadwell.
Evans is 6'5" and has a 40 inch vert.
Athletically they are worlds apart.
Nicks' 10yd split was 73% for WRs. On that basis alone, you can throw away Nicks' "slow" 40yd as having any meaning.
Nicks had percentiles in basically every other athletic testing, and proved he could play outside as an X receiver and be productive. But his injuries to his legs robbed him of his average speed and turned him into a poor player despite his age.
Treadwell might not be able to play on the outside as Nicks did. I suspect that he's simply best as a slot receiver who can box out nickel DBs and out muscle tackles in the middle of hte field. He's not a jump ball receiver.
who cares, you dont draft a WR at #10 because his blocking is great.