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Treadwell vs Nicks

1st and 10 : 4/17/2016 4:23 am
I am not a draft expert here but 1 thing that scares me about Treadwell is his speed. We all saw how quickly Nicks lost his speed (I know injuries) and how ineffective he became. For those that know, how does the Nicks game compare to Treadwell?
I'm not an expert, but maybe this will help.  
Ira : 4/17/2016 5:35 am : link
Treadwell is 2" taller but slower. Both are physical players. I think Nicks had better hands, but I'm not sure.
Who here would be all right with a draft pick  
Beezer : 4/17/2016 5:49 am : link
who ended up with 2 great years, 3 decent years and a Super Bowl ring?

I might just take that.
My concern is that Treadwell  
Torn Tendon : 4/17/2016 5:53 am : link
is more like Ramses Barden. That he won't be able to beat press coverage.
RE: My concern is that Treadwell  
EricJ : 4/17/2016 6:21 am : link
In comment 12906142 Torn Tendon said:
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is more like Ramses Barden. That he won't be able to beat press coverage.


Ramses also never could learn the offense
I think  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/17/2016 6:58 am : link
Treadwell is more like Mike Evans but 3 inches shorter and better hands. Evans has been a solid player.
RE: I think  
Ira : 4/17/2016 7:05 am : link
In comment 12906149 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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Treadwell is more like Mike Evans but 3 inches shorter and better hands. Evans has been a solid player.


Evans is also faster than Treadwell.
Evans is faster in the 40  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/17/2016 7:25 am : link
but slower in the three cone and the 20 yard shuttle. Treadwell is quicker.

Treadwell is a good football player. He knocks the snot out of people as a blocker. Catches the ball very well. Battles. If you watch his games, he had to wait for the ball to arrive all the time.

The comparison of him to Ramses Barden is laughable. This guy dominated at the highest level of football. He played against the best defender from the other team every week. And he suffered from a QB who only saw half the field and was late with his delivery of the ball.
he averaged 15.7 ypc in college vs 11.8 for treadwell  
chris r : 4/17/2016 7:51 am : link
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Treadwell ran 4.52  
dk in TX : 4/17/2016 8:01 am : link
That's not slow.
RE: Who here would be all right with a draft pick  
chopperhatch : 4/17/2016 8:05 am : link
In comment 12906141 Beezer said:
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who ended up with 2 great years, 3 decent years and a Super Bowl ring?

I might just take that.


At 10? It's not like Nick's was an MVP in that game or anything.
RE: Treadwell ran 4.52  
JPinstripes : 4/17/2016 8:19 am : link
In comment 12906163 dk in TX said:
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That's not slow.


It is in the 30 yard dash...
A 40 yd sprint in shorts and a t shrit  
theold5j : 4/17/2016 8:29 am : link
Is the most over rated thing I've ever seen. They should have to do the speed drills in equipment. How does the 40 time with shorts and a t shirt translate with an additional 10 pounds of equipment.
I don't mean to diminish Nicks  
chopperhatch : 4/17/2016 8:37 am : link
I rushed my post, but drafting a player for two superb years at 10 is not a transaction I would make.

We are seriously  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2016 9:11 am : link
comparing the best WR in the SEC to Ramses Barden now? Christ, the draft can't come soon enough.
TREADWELL  
Gmen108021 : 4/17/2016 9:40 am : link
is a good pick. people want to talk about straight speed, how often is it on display? its about short quick bursts in and out of breaks. i think he will be a very solid WR in the NFL and would be a PERFECT compliment to OBJ. he could draw some double teams in red zone due to his sheer size and catching ability. he attacks the football and in the redzone that would be a huge threat. the ability to help free up OBJ some would make our offense that much better. I for one would be perfectly fine sliding back a few spots and taking treadwell
RE: Who here would be all right with a draft pick  
Jay on the Island : 4/17/2016 10:00 am : link
In comment 12906141 Beezer said:
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who ended up with 2 great years, 3 decent years and a Super Bowl ring?

I might just take that.

I would take that especially with Nicks performance in the playoffs that year. It is incredible to see how such a talented star fell to nothing so quickly.
Evans is much bigger  
KWALL2 : 4/17/2016 11:11 am : link
Much longer with absurdly long arms at over 35". Jumps a lot higher. If a ball is the air Evans gets much higher. 8+" inches higher. Is this really a good comp?
Treadwell beat the jam repeatedly in college, and I have no  
yatqb : 4/17/2016 11:26 am : link
concerns about his ability to do so in the pros. I wouldn't be surprised if we took him if Floyd and Hargreaves are off the board. About a month ago I said that he was better than Nicks. I'm not sure I was right about the pre-injury Nicks, but Treadwell would be a fine complement to OBJ.
Actually  
KWALL2 : 4/17/2016 11:35 am : link
His catch percentage vs press was much lower than a lot of the top WRs.

The LSU kid gave him a lot of trouble when he pressed him.
4.52 ?  
grizz299 : 4/17/2016 12:21 pm : link
It's my understanding that he wouldn't run at the combine, ran on his very fast home track and still only turned in a 4.65.

If so, then that translates into more than a 4.7 on the combine track and that IS slow. 12 in the bench press is not wowing anyone either.
I think he is likely to be a decent pro with some bust potential. That's not near to a no. 10 IMHO.
Here  
PaulN : 4/17/2016 1:01 pm : link
Is the opinion of someone that should shut up all the dumb remarks about his 40 time, but it won't. If you can take the time to read it.
Link - ( New Window )
Jerry Rice  
PaulN : 4/17/2016 1:02 pm : link
Ran a 4.59, how was he, pretty good?
Did Jerry Rice  
KWALL2 : 4/17/2016 1:08 pm : link
Train with a track coach for months on how to run a 40?

Where did he run that 4.59?

Is it possible to come up with something better than the inaccurate Jerry Rice 40 rebuttal? Maybe a player from the past 30 years would be more appropriate?

RE: My concern is that Treadwell  
short lease : 4/17/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12906142 Torn Tendon said:
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is more like Ramses Barden. That he won't be able to beat press coverage.


Screw the press ... they don't play football - they just write about it. Screw 'em.
RE: Actually  
yatqb : 4/17/2016 2:22 pm : link
In comment 12906338 KWALL2 said:
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His catch percentage vs press was much lower than a lot of the top WRs.

The LSU kid gave him a lot of trouble when he pressed him.


KWALL, very interesting. I was just going on the games I'd watched and clips.
I don't see a relevance between Nicks's injuries and Treadwell future  
steve in ky : 4/17/2016 2:25 pm : link
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RE: Jerry Rice  
chris r : 4/17/2016 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12906408 PaulN said:
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Ran a 4.59, how was he, pretty good?


Rice averaged 15.6 yards per catch in college, Treadwell 11.8.

For the millionth time, its not about stop watch speed only. It's about showing you can get deep regularly regardless of your timed speed. Rice, Nicks, Fitzgerald... all the other great slow 40 time WR did that in college. Not Treadwell.

Did You Think  
PaulN : 4/17/2016 4:46 pm : link
I brought it up to make a point about his time proving he is good. LOL. Thanks for agreeing with me. Times mean little, Rice was never fast, timed, practicing it or fucking not. But he got behind defenders all the time and was rarely caught from behind.

I am not saying Treadwell will be good or won't be, but when time is brought up it is a poor argument. Unreal.
RE: RE: I think  
huygens20 : 4/17/2016 6:22 pm : link
In comment 12906150 Ira said:
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In comment 12906149 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:


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Treadwell is more like Mike Evans but 3 inches shorter and better hands. Evans has been a solid player.



Evans is also faster than Treadwell.


Evans is 6'5" and has a 40 inch vert.

Athletically they are worlds apart.
.  
huygens20 : 4/17/2016 6:28 pm : link
Hakeem was a superior athlete to Treadwell.

Nicks' 10yd split was 73% for WRs. On that basis alone, you can throw away Nicks' "slow" 40yd as having any meaning.

Nicks had percentiles in basically every other athletic testing, and proved he could play outside as an X receiver and be productive. But his injuries to his legs robbed him of his average speed and turned him into a poor player despite his age.

Treadwell might not be able to play on the outside as Nicks did. I suspect that he's simply best as a slot receiver who can box out nickel DBs and out muscle tackles in the middle of hte field. He's not a jump ball receiver.
Heard his blocking is great  
Giant John : 4/17/2016 6:55 pm : link
But 10 may be a bit of a reach.
RE: Heard his blocking is great  
huygens20 : 4/17/2016 6:58 pm : link
In comment 12906731 Giant John said:
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But 10 may be a bit of a reach.


who cares, you dont draft a WR at #10 because his blocking is great.
You should want the Giants to get  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/17/2016 7:17 pm : link
A future all pro type at 10. That's not Treadwell. And he slow as shit. His 40 was hand rimed at his workout. Mohamed Sanu ran a lot faster and had a ton of production in college and has been a solid pro. I think he's a good comparison. Good player sure. 10 th pick. Nope. There will be better players on the board.
Just saying...  
mrvax : 4/17/2016 7:57 pm : link
When the Giants drafted Nicks, he was noted for having huge mitts. I wonder if his large hands are close to Beckham's? I don't think Treadwell was blessed with large hands.
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