Listening to a Mike Ryan who is/was (?) a personal trainer for the Giants and Jaguars on Sirius he was discussing Myles Jack. He said that he had a lateral meniscus injury which bears the most weight in the leg. It connects the thigh bone to the shin bone. It is much different than the medial (?) meniscus. He also said that most of the meniscus cannot repair itself since it doesn't have great blood flow. However the outter edge does get blood flow. Most surgeries on the meniscus just remove a part of the meniscus and flatten it out. With Jack they did not remove any of his meniscus, they repaired it. That sounds good, right? Well, this is such a rare situation that doctors and teams don't know what to make of it which would give credence to the mixed medicals with Jack especially the ones that say he hasn't showed much healing from the last medical at the combine.
He went into Jaylon Smith and said that the nerve damage is very concerning because the part of his leg that picks the foot up toward the body is what seems most effected. I missed the majority of the Smith discussion since I was trying to type about Jack.
He is talking about his discussion with teams and it always centers around risk factor. He isn't grading him as a scout. That isn't his job. The teams want examples of other athletes have gone through similar injuries. The teams take that info and uses it accordingly.
If he drops to 10 due to injury concerns, why would the Giants pick him? Wouldn't they have the same concerns as all the other teams that passed on Jack?
I wouldn't touch Jack or Smith and I don't think Reese will make those picks with his ass on the line.
Jack's injury concerns give him the perfect out. If he drops. Kid is going to be a star.
Will be interesting to see what kind of career he has.
If I were NYG I would want to see Jack do a 40 and run some drills. Same with Floyd, I would want to see him bench 225 lbs. since he didn't do it at his pro day or the combine. Can't miss on this pick. That said, I still thing Jack goes before 10 and that Floyd will be available.
Of course, every injury is unique, and Osi had already been diminished by a hip injury in 2006.
Drafting a great player vs an iffy player is the REAL risk.
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Let's see who is the asshole. You or I. I need that Reese would pas on LT due to his playing LB. Where did i compare the two? I said Jack will be a srar. I even made a second post pointing out I was being sarcastic about the LT comment assuming that some idiot would jump into idiocy. Congrats. You win.
Carl. Just take this for what it's worth. You either are a moron with no reading comprehension or a moron. Calling me am asshole is also pretty funny. Learn to read. Not my fault you only have one set of grandparents
when we could have the best player in the draft with Smith?
Waiting a year is the price you pay for getting the best player with the #10 pick.
Yes, it would be better to trade down and pick Smith later in the draft but the Giants just don't do that.
And yes Eli is no spring chicken and we have to win now but that just realistically isn't going to happen unless we outscore everyone this year while the defense gets built.
Maybe, if the people who think Smith will be there in the second rd ( which I consider highly unlikely) are right, we could get both Jack and Smith at 10 and 40. Then we would actually have LBs and a defense we could look forward to see playing.
A pass rush covers up a lot of flaws in the secondary but you have to be able to stop the run and cover the TEs and RBs in pass coverage. This defense was close to the worst in the NFL, you can't fix that in a year, it's a 2 year rebuild, let's draft accordingly.
If Jerry were GM of a team with a 3-4 base defense, I think he would be all over Lawrence Taylor, Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware, etc. He might have Markus Kuhn and Cullen Jenkins at 5-technique DE, but he wouldn't neglect the edge-rushing OLB.
Jack's injury concerns give him the perfect out. If he drops. Kid is going to be a star.
This post does not say Jack will be the next LT, it emphasizes the neglect toward LBs in the draft.
No one could possibly be LT, who could go on a 3 day coke binge, show up on Sunday with no sleep or nutrients in 72 hours and dominate a football game like LT? They broke the mold after LT.
Some of you never, ever learn.
Jack is a remote-thrower pick for me.
Same goes for having two top ten picks in doubt which could thin the talent pool at #10.
Fuck.
when we could have the best player in the draft with Smith?
Waiting a year is the price you pay for getting the best player with the #10 pick.
Yes, it would be better to trade down and pick Smith later in the draft but the Giants just don't do that.
And yes Eli is no spring chicken and we have to win now but that just realistically isn't going to happen unless we outscore everyone this year while the defense gets built.
Maybe, if the people who think Smith will be there in the second rd ( which I consider highly unlikely) are right, we could get both Jack and Smith at 10 and 40. Then we would actually have LBs and a defense we could look forward to see playing.
A pass rush covers up a lot of flaws in the secondary but you have to be able to stop the run and cover the TEs and RBs in pass coverage. This defense was close to the worst in the NFL, you can't fix that in a year, it's a 2 year rebuild, let's draft accordingly.
Why? Because there is no guarantee Smith will ever play again, and if he does, there's no guarantee he will physically be as good as he used to be. And he very likely will be one more injury to the same knee ending his career. Finally, even if both were healthy, Jack might be the better player anyway.
Same goes for having two top ten picks in doubt which could thin the talent pool at #10.
Fuck.
Yep. And it's why I see Floyd as our pick at #10. If he's there... lol.
Will be interesting to see what kind of career he has.
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Jack tore the meniscus. I'm no doctor and I know that everyone is different but the success of coming back from a meniscus seems much higher than what Smith will have to go through. Plus Jack has 3 extra months of recovery time. For all we know, Jack didn't want to risk his NFL career by coming back to soon for UCLA and the 'concern' by teams could be smokescreen. It is that time of year and also why the chatter seems to be so mixed.
Didn't Michael Boley have a meniscus tear his first year here? I believe Arian Foster hid one from the Texans and managed to play through it. On the basketball side Russell Westbrook tore his and is just as explosive as ever. Metta World Peace came back from one after only 12 days. I know, that's extreme and again overall I know that everyone is different but unless there's someone who's career was devastated or ended over a meniscus tear recently please let me know. Besides, I'm very encouraged by his broad jump and vertical.
The rest of what was said sounds accurate - that generally menisci don't heal well due to limited blood flow but some sections of it can heal well.
Several years ago Osi tore his medial meniscus in training camp or early season and they opted to repair it rather than remove it. The thinking was he was better off being lost for the season but retaining the meniscus to help tolerate the future stress on his knee given his occupation.
I would be extremely cautious on looking favorably on either player.
Too bad too because they seem to be possible stars in the NFL sans injury. Jacks in the better scenario medically.
i would like jack alot i think he is a high impact player they could use badly but the chance to fix the RT,WR,DE say with that one pick they have at 10 if they trade back that would allow them to fix more
they could then use their own picks to draft help at DB,LB,DT,TE and OG too as right now they need to pick which positions they can target.
whereas a trade back could net them more depth at more positions they could win with the LB corp they have now especially if they fix the OL (both RT and RG),upgrade the secondary (with possibly a CB and a FS),DE rotation,WR corp maybe even add a later round TE bryce williams being someone i would like in round 5
The rest of what was said sounds accurate - that generally menisci don't heal well due to limited blood flow but some sections of it can heal well.
Several years ago Osi tore his medial meniscus in training camp or early season and they opted to repair it rather than remove it. The thinking was he was better off being lost for the season but retaining the meniscus to help tolerate the future stress on his knee given his occupation.
Osi tore his lateral meniscus not his medial.
But it's not clear that Osi tore his lateral in the same way that Jack tore his or that Osi's required the same type of surgical repair.
The lateral meniscus may not attach "bone to bone" but the anterior horn of the lateral meniscus does attach to the tibia. According to reports, Jack's lateral meniscus was torn off the bone and he had surgery to sew it back on.
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