He's more Jessie Armstead then either of those two...
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
Wow. You really are a douchebag; in fact, you're the very definition of a douchebag.
Please hold fast to your promise to post less. You'd be doing us all a favor.
I get damn excited to think of what he can bring off the edge with this group we already have. He could be an absolute nightmare off the edge creating havoc all game on passing downs. And then I worry about his toughness and ability to take the strength of the NFL game head on. However, if he only brings a good-great pass rush and can cover TE's and RB's a decent level- I think it's worth it right? As that being his floor. Even if he is a liability vs the run. A poor-man's Von Miller effect off the edge where he can take over a game when we have the lead. I mean to me that's worth it.
due to his negatives being so understood.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Lack of production? The article claims Georgia played him out of position (at inside linebacker) last year and he ended up with 74 tackles. That, to me, is production.
The production argument is ridiculous regarding Floyd. I think people complaining about production are forecasting him as an edge rusher(which he might end up being), and comparing him to previous players who were used exclusively on the edge in college. Mack was a pass rusher in college, spent 100% of his snaps going after QBs on passing plays. In a single game against Alabama Floyd's time was divided between MLB, edge rusher and in slot coverage. If 40% of his time is spent NOT rushing the passer and you're harping on sack numbers then you're not comparing apples to apples.
Hell, there have been claims about how Jack can do it all, including coming off the edge...have you seen Jacks sack numbers? It doesn't mean Jack couldn't be great at it, it means he wasn't asked to do it..at all. Huge difference. You can't just stick your head in the sand and bitch and whine about production without considering what the player was even asked to do for his team and factoring in that in.
Hell, DeForest Buckner whom everyone would be doing carthweels over if the Giants grabbed him totaled a whopping 18 sacks in 4 years at Oregon. He'd still be a good pick though, right?
If you don't like a guy that's fine, but to act like Floyd didn't do anything on a football field to warrant praise and was just a combine star is equally ridiculous. How do you make the freshman SEC team without playing well? How do you perform poorly against SEC competition and also get voted the defensive MVP of your team?
I don't think a lot of posters are saying Floyd didn't play well Â
I think a lot of posters are seeing him at his best in college not looking anything like an NFL player. Those are two very different things. He looks soft, gangly, and weak and his scouting profiles often cite this. His NFL comparison doesn't exist at LB or DE. His size, athleticism, physicality, etc... is more like Ramses Barden than it is Von Miller or Khalil Mack. He even plays the ball like Ramses Barden.
I have only watched 2 games of his, a few highlight videos and read scouting profiles. It's not like I am purporting to know the guy will suck. I think his floor is a guy that when healthy plays any passing down. The guys talking him up have likely viewed no more "tape" than I have.
He is a polarizing prospect because despite his insane athleticism there are questions.
Why hasn't he lifted for scouts ever?
Why would he play at 226 when he got to an athletic 240 pounds so easily?
Why was he moved around so much? Is it to cover for other team weaknesses or to cover for his?
How come he appears to struggle with run blocks, tackling with force, and playing physical/with a mean streak?
If the Giants draft him I'm sure they have information that answers most or all of these questions. So far he scares the shit out of me as a draft pick at 10.
things our defense did not do was rush the passer. I saw so many times when the opposing QB had all day back there. Any QB can find his target given enough time even with an all star backfield.
Seems like at minimum, Floyd will force the QB to make a split second decision or take a hit. I'd love to see that. Play after play when JPP, Vernon, Hankins, Snacks and Floyd are making the QB so uncomfortable they want to just call a timeout and cry.
prior to that it was 1981........L.T. and Carl Banks. That worked out pretty well.
I understand there have very few of those guys available since then, as a matter of opinion, there have been no L.T. s.
But it is difficult to believe in all that time there was not a linebacker worthy of the number one choice. I wonder why the change in philosophy on this position.
Add to that he help he would instantly provide with mobile QBs. You want to do something in the NFC he next few years, you better have something to slow down the running and extended plays from Newton, Rodgers, and Wilson.
Plenty on BBI are saying he "isn't a football player", "just an athlete,", "no production", etc.
And now some are harping on "even he says he only has one move".
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He is a football player who plays extremely light in the ass KWALL. And he didn't have much production in college. For these reasons I said he would be a horrible pick as a SAM. I like him much better as a WILL, but even then, these incredible coverage skills people say he has are just that he can run with the receiver and jump. He has no awareness of the ball when it's in the air.
I hope I'm wrong here, but we've seen these " athletes" look lost in the pros prior.
Referring to the comment that he struggled against top SEC teams.
Which is general sweeping statement not rooted in fact or actual information.
Where did posters get that notion? A single youtube highlight of Alabama, a game in which the soft weak, WR bodied linebacker was run at maybe 3 times all game? Really, go watch Floyd vs Bama, Alabama doesn't run at him, at all. Maybe it's just coincidence, but I have a hard time buying that a physical smashmouth team like Bama with Henry(who likely outweighed Floyd in the game) would just avoid targeting a soft run defender as Floyd is purported to be. I know you can't cite PFF because their numbers aren't real, but they are certainly an unbiased source and they have Floyd with a better run stopping grade than Shaq Lawson, who is a 260 lb defensive end.
I get the concerns with Floyd, I do. I just think that the train has gone off the tracks for some of the anti-Floyd posters, and some of the comments aren't based in reality. Come with something stronger than "oh he looks skinny, he must be soft and get pushed all over the field"
You are drafting Floyd for SPEED, bending the edge and getting after the QB while also contributing in coverage. You're not drafting him to put on bulk and stuff the run game. Did we not just see what a player like Von Miller can do for a team. And Kahlil Mack. No he isn't going to be Von Miller or Mack, but he can have a similar effect while helping in areas those guys don't. He is not a run stuffer.
false equivalencies like calling him Von Miller or Mack is that he isn't those players and he's in a different scheme. If Spags doesn't plan around Floyd, then Floyd becomes more like Bryan Kehl, a guy who couldn't shed blockers and who got blown up at the point of attack.
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
NFLBreakdown site has some good full game clips. Check out what he does on the pass rush when his hand is on the ground. It's impressive. This is where I see the guy having the biggest impact.
He can put on a little weight and be a full time 4-3 DE. I think that's where he'll end up in a couple of years.
In year one, they'll play him outside LB, LEO, and some DE. He'll play a lot. Maybe not good vs the run at him but you trade it for a huge boost vs the pass.
Late in games, a pass rush play makes the difference with wins and losses. He'll help with this in year one.
I've been watching more and more of him and love the guys game now and love how he will fit in with the Giants D.
Age is a bit of a negative but I see an instant impact player for our pass D and a guy with tremendous pass rushing upside over the next several years.
I also really like how he can help slow down mobile QBs. So much to like I'm surprised so many are against adding this skillset.
You are drafting Floyd for SPEED, bending the edge and getting after the QB while also contributing in coverage. You're not drafting him to put on bulk and stuff the run game. Did we not just see what a player like Von Miller can do for a team. And Kahlil Mack. No he isn't going to be Von Miller or Mack, but he can have a similar effect while helping in areas those guys don't. He is not a run stuffer.
Those 2 guys utilize their bulk and speed. Their speed counts for nothing if a tackle shoved them to the ground with a half swipe. I worry that Floyd would get his head taken off by some NFL tight ends and backs. I think when an NFL tackle get his hands on Floyd it's over. It's absolutely essential to me that Floyd plays on the weakside and gets to utilize his quick first step. In any situation where the tackle sets up to wait for him or he isn't already moving past the tackle I don't see any strength or power that an NFL tackle would struggle with at all.
on an SEC defense that had the #1 pass D in college football and top 10 or 15 in points against.
When asked to rush the passer he was extremely "productive" and disrupting the pass game. In the Vanderbilt 2015 game he had no sacks, terrible "production" right? But he was all over the QB consistently. Chasing and hitting him including a QB hit that caused a floater that was picked off. That's production!
is in high consideration for the Giants 1st round pick is because he is the best Edge Rusher in the draft. It has nothing to do with his overall linebacker skills or lack thereof - the Giants want to get after the QB and disrupt and Floyd has that ability.
false equivalencies like calling him Von Miller or Mack is that he isn't those players and he's in a different scheme. If Spags doesn't plan around Floyd, then Floyd becomes more like Bryan Kehl, a guy who couldn't shed blockers and who got blown up at the point of attack.
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
Falso equivalences? I didn’t say he was Von Miller or Mack, in fact I said “No, he isn’t going to be Von Miller or Mack”. He could have a similar (probably less) impact when it comes to closing out games and rushing on 3rd down. Speed around the edge. He adds the ability to cover which neither Mack or Miller do. It’s a big IF, but that IF is something you caveat more than anything other than a QB. And if they draft him at 10 and Spags doesn’t plan around him, then that’s just dumb and the whole FO and staff should be fired.
There is no scheme in the NFL that wouldn’t put a speed rusher on the end on 3rd downs passing situations. He would play the WILL on early downs and slide to End when Harrison comes out. No scheme change required.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
is in high consideration for the Giants 1st round pick is because he is the best Edge Rusher in the draft. It has nothing to do with his overall linebacker skills or lack thereof - the Giants want to get after the QB and disrupt and Floyd has that ability.
Couldn't agree more. I think people are comparing him more to a prototypical 4-3 LB. He isn't and not even close. Taking him is saying you want to load up on Edge Rushers. Something they are obviously doing this offseason.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
You are drafting Floyd for SPEED, bending the edge and getting after the QB while also contributing in coverage. You're not drafting him to put on bulk and stuff the run game. Did we not just see what a player like Von Miller can do for a team. And Kahlil Mack. No he isn't going to be Von Miller or Mack, but he can have a similar effect while helping in areas those guys don't. He is not a run stuffer.
Khalil Mack and Von Miller are a lot closer to 250 pounds than you're making it sound. They're both complete players, not specialists.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
What a ridiculous comment.
Yea and even more of a kid's body when he showed up to the combine weighing 245? What kid body is 6'5 245 and runs a 4.6 40. And with the age - he turns 24 in September. He will start his second season before the age of 25. That should not matter. People reference his age like he is ready to retire and will never work-out. He is 23 and hopefully will pump some iron once he gets to the NFL.
who cannot set the edge. Seems like a liability against the run game and would get pushed around and mauled. All the highlights I see of him involve rushing the QB, which is good, but too one dimensional for my taste at the LB position. Sure, he could add weight and develop into a more productive run stopper, but at 10, I'd prefer a more complete player rather than situational.
who cannot set the edge. Seems like a liability against the run game and would get pushed around and mauled...
He's got a boatload of TFLs. That means on rushing downs, he somehow gets into the backfield and tackles the bastid running with the ball in his hands. I'll take that please.
Again, his floor is a 3rd down pass rush specialist and the Giants need that desperately.
26.5 TFLs in three years (37 games) is a boatload? Â
His last two years at Southern Miss. he racked up 39.5 TFLs.
Floyd didn't even average one per game. And for all the talk about what a great coverage guy Floyd is, in those same 37 games he had 4 PDefs and no INTs, compared to Collins, who had 13 PDefs and 1 INT in his final two years.
You like Floyd's athleticism? Fine. You like his potential? Fine. But the last thing you should point to is his production in college, because it was mediocre, at best.
Now, maybe he'll be one of those guys who turns out to be a better pro than he was in college. Okay. It does happen. But if I'm Jerry Reese, I wouldn't want to stake my job and my team's future hoping that it will with Floyd.
Some have made the comparisons to Barr and Collins Â
and I don't think it was meant as to how all 3 were used in college, but as a projection to how Floyd could be used in the pros.
I'm not sure the relevance of comparing Floyd's TFL numbers to Collins in their final 2 years, when it was pretty well documented that Floyd played a significant amount of time lined up off the ball, that's going to to directly affect his opportunities for TFL and sacks. If you don't know how the two players were employed in their respective defenses then I don't think you can make a fair comparison. Collins played 4 years of college, and moved around over his career, but it could very well be that in his last two years he was used more exclusively in the box at the LOS.
Here are the game highlights from Collins junior year in a game against Nebraska, take note he is lined up on the LOS the entire game. There are some times he does a shallow zone drop, but the point is..that he is playing the same position the entire game(albeit flopping from left to right). He is lined up on the line of scrimmage the entire game. That's a hell of a lot different from what Georgia was doing with Leonard Floyd where in a single game he would play MLB, slot coverage and pass rushing DE. Again, if you don't know how the players were employed in their respective defenses then it's a waste of time to prop of their numbers side and side and praise one set of numbers and criticize the other. Obviously, if Floyd were lined up on the line of scrimmage continuously, I think you'd see an uptick in his production behind the line of scrimmage. I think it was 40% of his snaps were off ball(this is off the top of my head).
Can we drop it? Across the board and in general. Every year somebody brings up a prospects age when they're 24-25, it doesn't matter considering we can't even get anybody to contract #2. Doesn't even factor into his size either because he had no reason to be 260 in college. If he's motivated and can maintain his athleticism, he'll get to the right weight.
And this is a genuine question, why was he playing ILB for most snaps in GA? It's pretty obvious in the run game he can't get off a block, he just gets swallowed up. From what I've read GA has 2 OLB they favored over him, is that correct? I really don't know anything about the GA program, but for a who seems like his specialty is having his hand in the ground, why were they playing him elsewhere?
Fans on this board, is that they love him,but don't realize what position would best demonstrate his ability. As a WILL, he's very intriguing depending on how Spags uses him. But this type of player would be brand new for the Giants.
Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
And this is a genuine question, why was he playing ILB for most snaps in GA? It's pretty obvious in the run game he can't get off a block, he just gets swallowed up. From what I've read GA has 2 OLB they favored over him, is that correct? I really don't know anything about the GA program, but for a who seems like his specialty is having his hand in the ground, why were they playing him elsewhere?
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
I think that is the most legitimate question concerning Â
Floyd. If his best asset is getting after the quarterback, then why have him do that less. Why put him at MLB at all.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
Cannot deny that this is a fair point. My guess is that the other LB's maybe were primarily pass rushers and they wanted his athleticism on the field. Regardless though he still winded up rushing the QB 50% of the snaps he played so I guess they felt he was good enough to drop him down on a consistent basis.
RE: I think that is the most legitimate question concerning Â
Floyd. If his best asset is getting after the quarterback, then why have him do that less. Why put him at MLB at all.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
I agree. It's not easy to cover either. It takes technique and lot of guys (esp edge rushers) struggle with this. Maybe they felt he helped the team more in space with the other talent they had getting to the QB.
Fans on this board, is that they love him,but don't realize what position would best demonstrate his ability. As a WILL, he's very intriguing depending on how Spags uses him. But this type of player would be brand new for the Giants.
Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
I don't think there really is a similar player. I think he is somewhat similar to Bruce Irvin if he adds a few LB's. Maybe not as polished a pass rusher, but just as fast if not faster and (by reports) can cover decently. Irvin is never really asked to cover so its hard to tell.
The only thing that worries me about Floyd is his physicality and toughness. Was this tested? Does he get dinged up a lot? NFL is a speed game now but you still have to stand up to the punishment.
"If he gets injured and looses a step or two"
BSIMatt : 4/19/2016 12:55 pm : link : reply
You could say that about almost any pick.
Totally True but my point is that he MAY be
a one trick pony . Would rather trade down
and get a Legitimate DE ...
If there is a LB out there I would take it's
Jack . I want a natural LB with great instinct's
and Speed . In no way shape or form should we
risk some kind of Tweener or Medical risk .
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
Wow. You really are a douchebag; in fact, you're the very definition of a douchebag.
Please hold fast to your promise to post less. You'd be doing us all a favor.
Always seems to be protecting his legs .
If he gets injured and looses a step or two
Giagantic Bust at #10 .
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Lack of production? The article claims Georgia played him out of position (at inside linebacker) last year and he ended up with 74 tackles. That, to me, is production.
The production argument is ridiculous regarding Floyd. I think people complaining about production are forecasting him as an edge rusher(which he might end up being), and comparing him to previous players who were used exclusively on the edge in college. Mack was a pass rusher in college, spent 100% of his snaps going after QBs on passing plays. In a single game against Alabama Floyd's time was divided between MLB, edge rusher and in slot coverage. If 40% of his time is spent NOT rushing the passer and you're harping on sack numbers then you're not comparing apples to apples.
Hell, there have been claims about how Jack can do it all, including coming off the edge...have you seen Jacks sack numbers? It doesn't mean Jack couldn't be great at it, it means he wasn't asked to do it..at all. Huge difference. You can't just stick your head in the sand and bitch and whine about production without considering what the player was even asked to do for his team and factoring in that in.
Hell, DeForest Buckner whom everyone would be doing carthweels over if the Giants grabbed him totaled a whopping 18 sacks in 4 years at Oregon. He'd still be a good pick though, right?
If you don't like a guy that's fine, but to act like Floyd didn't do anything on a football field to warrant praise and was just a combine star is equally ridiculous. How do you make the freshman SEC team without playing well? How do you perform poorly against SEC competition and also get voted the defensive MVP of your team?
I have only watched 2 games of his, a few highlight videos and read scouting profiles. It's not like I am purporting to know the guy will suck. I think his floor is a guy that when healthy plays any passing down. The guys talking him up have likely viewed no more "tape" than I have.
He is a polarizing prospect because despite his insane athleticism there are questions.
Why hasn't he lifted for scouts ever?
Why would he play at 226 when he got to an athletic 240 pounds so easily?
Why was he moved around so much? Is it to cover for other team weaknesses or to cover for his?
How come he appears to struggle with run blocks, tackling with force, and playing physical/with a mean streak?
If the Giants draft him I'm sure they have information that answers most or all of these questions. So far he scares the shit out of me as a draft pick at 10.
Seems like at minimum, Floyd will force the QB to make a split second decision or take a hit. I'd love to see that. Play after play when JPP, Vernon, Hankins, Snacks and Floyd are making the QB so uncomfortable they want to just call a timeout and cry.
I understand there have very few of those guys available since then, as a matter of opinion, there have been no L.T. s.
But it is difficult to believe in all that time there was not a linebacker worthy of the number one choice. I wonder why the change in philosophy on this position.
And now some are harping on "even he says he only has one move".
Floyd will help in this aspect too.
And now some are harping on "even he says he only has one move".
He is a football player who plays extremely light in the ass KWALL. And he didn't have much production in college. For these reasons I said he would be a horrible pick as a SAM. I like him much better as a WILL, but even then, these incredible coverage skills people say he has are just that he can run with the receiver and jump. He has no awareness of the ball when it's in the air.
I hope I'm wrong here, but we've seen these " athletes" look lost in the pros prior.
Which is general sweeping statement not rooted in fact or actual information.
Where did posters get that notion? A single youtube highlight of Alabama, a game in which the soft weak, WR bodied linebacker was run at maybe 3 times all game? Really, go watch Floyd vs Bama, Alabama doesn't run at him, at all. Maybe it's just coincidence, but I have a hard time buying that a physical smashmouth team like Bama with Henry(who likely outweighed Floyd in the game) would just avoid targeting a soft run defender as Floyd is purported to be. I know you can't cite PFF because their numbers aren't real, but they are certainly an unbiased source and they have Floyd with a better run stopping grade than Shaq Lawson, who is a 260 lb defensive end.
I get the concerns with Floyd, I do. I just think that the train has gone off the tracks for some of the anti-Floyd posters, and some of the comments aren't based in reality. Come with something stronger than "oh he looks skinny, he must be soft and get pushed all over the field"
No guys that "need a year to bulk up" at pick 10.
We are all just repeating scouting profiles, whether we are for or against Floyd.
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
He can put on a little weight and be a full time 4-3 DE. I think that's where he'll end up in a couple of years.
In year one, they'll play him outside LB, LEO, and some DE. He'll play a lot. Maybe not good vs the run at him but you trade it for a huge boost vs the pass.
Late in games, a pass rush play makes the difference with wins and losses. He'll help with this in year one.
I've been watching more and more of him and love the guys game now and love how he will fit in with the Giants D.
Age is a bit of a negative but I see an instant impact player for our pass D and a guy with tremendous pass rushing upside over the next several years.
I also really like how he can help slow down mobile QBs. So much to like I'm surprised so many are against adding this skillset.
Those 2 guys utilize their bulk and speed. Their speed counts for nothing if a tackle shoved them to the ground with a half swipe. I worry that Floyd would get his head taken off by some NFL tight ends and backs. I think when an NFL tackle get his hands on Floyd it's over. It's absolutely essential to me that Floyd plays on the weakside and gets to utilize his quick first step. In any situation where the tackle sets up to wait for him or he isn't already moving past the tackle I don't see any strength or power that an NFL tackle would struggle with at all.
When asked to rush the passer he was extremely "productive" and disrupting the pass game. In the Vanderbilt 2015 game he had no sacks, terrible "production" right? But he was all over the QB consistently. Chasing and hitting him including a QB hit that caused a floater that was picked off. That's production!
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
Falso equivalences? I didn’t say he was Von Miller or Mack, in fact I said “No, he isn’t going to be Von Miller or Mack”. He could have a similar (probably less) impact when it comes to closing out games and rushing on 3rd down. Speed around the edge. He adds the ability to cover which neither Mack or Miller do. It’s a big IF, but that IF is something you caveat more than anything other than a QB. And if they draft him at 10 and Spags doesn’t plan around him, then that’s just dumb and the whole FO and staff should be fired.
There is no scheme in the NFL that wouldn’t put a speed rusher on the end on 3rd downs passing situations. He would play the WILL on early downs and slide to End when Harrison comes out. No scheme change required.
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
Go get the QB... 4 aces, NASCAR and blitz packages in year one.
Couldn't agree more. I think people are comparing him more to a prototypical 4-3 LB. He isn't and not even close. Taking him is saying you want to load up on Edge Rushers. Something they are obviously doing this offseason.
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The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
What a ridiculous comment.
Khalil Mack and Von Miller are a lot closer to 250 pounds than you're making it sound. They're both complete players, not specialists.
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The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
What a ridiculous comment.
Yea and even more of a kid's body when he showed up to the combine weighing 245? What kid body is 6'5 245 and runs a 4.6 40. And with the age - he turns 24 in September. He will start his second season before the age of 25. That should not matter. People reference his age like he is ready to retire and will never work-out. He is 23 and hopefully will pump some iron once he gets to the NFL.
He's got a boatload of TFLs. That means on rushing downs, he somehow gets into the backfield and tackles the bastid running with the ball in his hands. I'll take that please.
Again, his floor is a 3rd down pass rush specialist and the Giants need that desperately.
Floyd didn't even average one per game. And for all the talk about what a great coverage guy Floyd is, in those same 37 games he had 4 PDefs and no INTs, compared to Collins, who had 13 PDefs and 1 INT in his final two years.
You like Floyd's athleticism? Fine. You like his potential? Fine. But the last thing you should point to is his production in college, because it was mediocre, at best.
Now, maybe he'll be one of those guys who turns out to be a better pro than he was in college. Okay. It does happen. But if I'm Jerry Reese, I wouldn't want to stake my job and my team's future hoping that it will with Floyd.
I'm not sure the relevance of comparing Floyd's TFL numbers to Collins in their final 2 years, when it was pretty well documented that Floyd played a significant amount of time lined up off the ball, that's going to to directly affect his opportunities for TFL and sacks. If you don't know how the two players were employed in their respective defenses then I don't think you can make a fair comparison. Collins played 4 years of college, and moved around over his career, but it could very well be that in his last two years he was used more exclusively in the box at the LOS.
Here are the game highlights from Collins junior year in a game against Nebraska, take note he is lined up on the LOS the entire game. There are some times he does a shallow zone drop, but the point is..that he is playing the same position the entire game(albeit flopping from left to right). He is lined up on the line of scrimmage the entire game. That's a hell of a lot different from what Georgia was doing with Leonard Floyd where in a single game he would play MLB, slot coverage and pass rushing DE. Again, if you don't know how the players were employed in their respective defenses then it's a waste of time to prop of their numbers side and side and praise one set of numbers and criticize the other. Obviously, if Floyd were lined up on the line of scrimmage continuously, I think you'd see an uptick in his production behind the line of scrimmage. I think it was 40% of his snaps were off ball(this is off the top of my head).
Jamie Collins vs Nebraska (2012) - ( New Window )
Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
BECAUSE HES SO VERSATILE Colin! Duh. ::eye roll::
;-)
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
Cannot deny that this is a fair point. My guess is that the other LB's maybe were primarily pass rushers and they wanted his athleticism on the field. Regardless though he still winded up rushing the QB 50% of the snaps he played so I guess they felt he was good enough to drop him down on a consistent basis.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
I agree. It's not easy to cover either. It takes technique and lot of guys (esp edge rushers) struggle with this. Maybe they felt he helped the team more in space with the other talent they had getting to the QB.
Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
I don't think there really is a similar player. I think he is somewhat similar to Bruce Irvin if he adds a few LB's. Maybe not as polished a pass rusher, but just as fast if not faster and (by reports) can cover decently. Irvin is never really asked to cover so its hard to tell.
The only thing that worries me about Floyd is his physicality and toughness. Was this tested? Does he get dinged up a lot? NFL is a speed game now but you still have to stand up to the punishment.
"If he gets injured and looses a step or two"
BSIMatt : 4/19/2016 12:55 pm : link : reply
You could say that about almost any pick.
Totally True but my point is that he MAY be
a one trick pony . Would rather trade down
and get a Legitimate DE ...
If there is a LB out there I would take it's
Jack . I want a natural LB with great instinct's
and Speed . In no way shape or form should we
risk some kind of Tweener or Medical risk .