“A big strength of my game would be my speed,’’ Floyd said at the NFL scouting combine. “A weakness would probably be me [not] having more than one pass-rush move. I can work on it and come up with a new move that I can go to rather than just using speed.’’
Maybe some teams are projecting the kind of pass rusher he can become with more than one move.
he is a potential X Factor. Can provide 2 things we desperately need - a speed rush from the RDE position and a really good blitzer
we look to have a superb DLine - with this guy wreaking havoc from different spots we can get after people
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
And it is so obvious that he'd take him even if he had the first pick in this draft....
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
You have no idea what the giants think. These writers just run with shit.
Exactly. Nobody knows what the Giants are thinking. Give them some credit. These writers just pass tidbits from "sources" and then we all think we know all the ins and outs. It's funny.
But I can guarantee that nobody outside of the Giants top braintrust knows who they really are targeting at 10. Heck they probably don't even know fully yet.
Hitdog, Slade, Myself, Raanan, Vacchiano etc. Don't know what the Giants are thinking.
Where Reese goes to the local police station in Floyd's hometown and inquires if he got into any trouble growing up. Again, reading the tea leaves, this feels exactly like Accorsi fawning over Shockey all over again.
RE: What surprises me is the lack of sophisticated insight Â
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Makogmen, please stop making sense. It will hurt the cranium of many opponents of Floyd as the 10th pick.
The Bears beat writer is correct. If you want the Giants defense to be more physical Floyd is NOT your guy.
Well what is physical? Is Floyd making a play on a TE or a RB in pass coverage likely to hit harder than a corner or a FS trying to make the same play? I think so. And speed, blowing up plays, disruption can produce more physical play even if he's not the one laying the lumber.
RE: What surprises me is the lack of sophisticated insight Â
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
After a spate of piss poor drafting, where the GM scored the proverbial 0.0 on one draft class and not much better on the previous class, people have a right to be skeptical about the team's judgment, especially when the argument in favor of selecting Floyd on the basis of potential rather than production is what got the team into trouble in the first place. I am torn. There are aspects of Floyd's game that are tantalizing but my conservative side says there are more than enough reasons to be wary
RE: What surprises me is the lack of sophisticated insight Â
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Very good post. I said my peace at the beginning of these Floyd debates. Didn't want to keep beating a dead horse. But.. As I said then, every prospect has his worts. The people trashing Floyd need to remember that.
A physical linebacker would be one who plays stout at the point of attack and blows up the opposing blocker to either make the play himself or open it up for someone else. Floyd's game film and various scouting reports including our "experts" here state that Floyd runs around blockers and is not good against the run. They applaud his measurables and his potential but we've taken these "great" athletes at their positions lately and for the most part,most have not worked out. Floyd is supposed to be a "great" pass rusher"? It hasn't happened on the field. IMO,way too risky for a team like ours. I'm tired of gambling on greatness.
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
A lot of words here that do not address the core issues: He's 6'6", never played about 220, is 24 and didn't produce huge in college.
Not only are you projecting his game to improve and translate in the pros, you're expecting him to develop a pro body in the pros. And you're expecting him to do all of this at 24.
Cruz made the team at 24. How many BYU products have been successful in the NFL, most come in at 24. As for him going around blockers, it is important to look first at what was his responsibility on the play. It serves no purpose to run into a mass of bodies. LB play is about lanes and diagnosing direction and intent. There are many examples of Floyd hitting the gap and stopping the RB in his tracks, impeding forward progress or making tackles for losses.
The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
The production thing is the weakest knock on this prospect. Enough with the sack numbers. That is NOT how you measure a guys "productive". He had games with no sacks but was consistently harassing the QB. I just watched the anderbikt gsmr. He had a number of QB pressures and hits. One hit caused an INT.
He's got a game that will flourish in the NFL. This is not a high bust type plays . The pass rush skills are legit and will work in the NFL. It's one of the most valuable skills for a football team. That skill moves his floor up a lot. At a minimum, in year one he'll be a situational pass rusher (and a good one). But he's spent the last few years showing other skills that will keep him on the field for all 3 downs.
He's an excellent prospect for ththat Giants. A great fit for what we need and will compliment the guys we have on the team now. He'll also do a lot to solve our pass coverage problems.
One thing I don't like is the Dion Jordan comparisons. That's another BS knock on Floyd. He's nothing like Jordan. Jordan is an idiot. He didn't want to play football. Floyd loves the game. It's important to him. He works hard at it. Hes a good teammate.
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
I counter all these "ideas" with a highlight tape not featuring many highlights. One I recall, depicting his speed as he sticks with his guy in coverage...his guy MADE the play of course.
If he's our pick, I've NEVER been in this situation where I truly didn't get the pick. I don't think it is him. I think he's smoke.
You do realize that being selected team captain in college Â
Floyd is one of the best A gap blitzers
in this draft which is exactly what we need and as far
as not much highlights I beg to differ ! The Freak - ( New Window )
Cruz made the team at 24. How many BYU products have been successful in the NFL, most come in at 24. As for him going around blockers, it is important to look first at what was his responsibility on the play. It serves no purpose to run into a mass of bodies. LB play is about lanes and diagnosing direction and intent. There are many examples of Floyd hitting the gap and stopping the RB in his tracks, impeding forward progress or making tackles for losses.
The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
Age is a hangup when a guy doesn't have an NFL body yet. It's one thing at 20-21. Quite another thing at 24.
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Personally, I'm not rooting for Floyd at 10, but you've done a great job of articulating something very important here.
He's more Jessie Armstead then either of those two...
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
OK with the pick, but there is a bust factor. Floyd has the length and freakish athleticism that the Giants traditionally covet, especially in their high round picks. He can cover and rush the passer. He is versatile. My concern is that his slender build may make him more prone to injury in the NFL. I still think he’s the pick if Hargreaves is gone.
A right tackle is not a game changer at #10. A proper RB makes this offense dominant. Too many times the offense could not pick up short first downs and the defense was back on the field to quickly. Pass rusher is the other game changer in todays game. Both of these to me will make the team better right away.
17 sacks in 3 years from the linebacker position poor production?
mako, i agree with many of your points but there is a specific contention: in Spags scheme he demands players take on blockers (or smash into body masses as you put it). that's why he benched bryan kehl.
i am not saying floyd always does this (i don't know) but IF he is a guy who doesn't take on blocks he is going to be a poor fit in this defense and Spags won't like him.
of course, it wouldn't be the first time the front office handed a player who didn't fit the scheme either. we'll see soon enough
Mack and Barr were no-doubt top 10 guys. Floyd just seems like the 3rd or 4th best LB in a top-heavy class. Jack and Smith are hurt, and what's left are guys with some skillset, but is that worth 10 overall?
he's an irresponsible, risky pick at # 10. Too many question marks Â
I'm all in on floyd. - OBJ31 : 8:52 am
Another move to rush the passer can be learned/taught, His athletic ability can not be taught, you can't teach someone to be explosive, you either have it or you dont. He does, he's versatile, he can cover TEs, he's quick enough to cover RBs, he's quick enough to spy the QBs and get to them like the Newton's/Wilson's etc.
I'm all in on floyd. - OBJ31 : 8:52 am
Another move to rush the passer can be learned/taught, His athletic ability can not be taught, you can't teach someone to be explosive, you either have it or you dont. He does, he's versatile, he can cover TEs, he's quick enough to cover RBs, he's quick enough to spy the QBs and get to them like the Newton's/Wilson's etc.
I'll alert the media...again.
RE: RE: What surprises me is the lack of sophisticated insight Â
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
A lot of words here that do not address the core issues: He's 6'6", never played about 220, is 24 and didn't produce huge in college.
Not only are you projecting his game to improve and translate in the pros, you're expecting him to develop a pro body in the pros. And you're expecting him to do all of this at 24.
Floyd showed up at the combine at 244lbs. He could be 260 lbs by the start of training camp if the Giants wanted him to be. He has the frame to add weight without losing speed, according to reports I have read.
He's more Jessie Armstead then either of those two...
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
Wow. You really are a douchebag; in fact, you're the very definition of a douchebag.
Please hold fast to your promise to post less. You'd be doing us all a favor.
I get damn excited to think of what he can bring off the edge with this group we already have. He could be an absolute nightmare off the edge creating havoc all game on passing downs. And then I worry about his toughness and ability to take the strength of the NFL game head on. However, if he only brings a good-great pass rush and can cover TE's and RB's a decent level- I think it's worth it right? As that being his floor. Even if he is a liability vs the run. A poor-man's Von Miller effect off the edge where he can take over a game when we have the lead. I mean to me that's worth it.
due to his negatives being so understood.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Lack of production? The article claims Georgia played him out of position (at inside linebacker) last year and he ended up with 74 tackles. That, to me, is production.
The production argument is ridiculous regarding Floyd. I think people complaining about production are forecasting him as an edge rusher(which he might end up being), and comparing him to previous players who were used exclusively on the edge in college. Mack was a pass rusher in college, spent 100% of his snaps going after QBs on passing plays. In a single game against Alabama Floyd's time was divided between MLB, edge rusher and in slot coverage. If 40% of his time is spent NOT rushing the passer and you're harping on sack numbers then you're not comparing apples to apples.
Hell, there have been claims about how Jack can do it all, including coming off the edge...have you seen Jacks sack numbers? It doesn't mean Jack couldn't be great at it, it means he wasn't asked to do it..at all. Huge difference. You can't just stick your head in the sand and bitch and whine about production without considering what the player was even asked to do for his team and factoring in that in.
Hell, DeForest Buckner whom everyone would be doing carthweels over if the Giants grabbed him totaled a whopping 18 sacks in 4 years at Oregon. He'd still be a good pick though, right?
If you don't like a guy that's fine, but to act like Floyd didn't do anything on a football field to warrant praise and was just a combine star is equally ridiculous. How do you make the freshman SEC team without playing well? How do you perform poorly against SEC competition and also get voted the defensive MVP of your team?
I don't think a lot of posters are saying Floyd didn't play well Â
I think a lot of posters are seeing him at his best in college not looking anything like an NFL player. Those are two very different things. He looks soft, gangly, and weak and his scouting profiles often cite this. His NFL comparison doesn't exist at LB or DE. His size, athleticism, physicality, etc... is more like Ramses Barden than it is Von Miller or Khalil Mack. He even plays the ball like Ramses Barden.
I have only watched 2 games of his, a few highlight videos and read scouting profiles. It's not like I am purporting to know the guy will suck. I think his floor is a guy that when healthy plays any passing down. The guys talking him up have likely viewed no more "tape" than I have.
He is a polarizing prospect because despite his insane athleticism there are questions.
Why hasn't he lifted for scouts ever?
Why would he play at 226 when he got to an athletic 240 pounds so easily?
Why was he moved around so much? Is it to cover for other team weaknesses or to cover for his?
How come he appears to struggle with run blocks, tackling with force, and playing physical/with a mean streak?
If the Giants draft him I'm sure they have information that answers most or all of these questions. So far he scares the shit out of me as a draft pick at 10.
things our defense did not do was rush the passer. I saw so many times when the opposing QB had all day back there. Any QB can find his target given enough time even with an all star backfield.
Seems like at minimum, Floyd will force the QB to make a split second decision or take a hit. I'd love to see that. Play after play when JPP, Vernon, Hankins, Snacks and Floyd are making the QB so uncomfortable they want to just call a timeout and cry.
prior to that it was 1981........L.T. and Carl Banks. That worked out pretty well.
I understand there have very few of those guys available since then, as a matter of opinion, there have been no L.T. s.
But it is difficult to believe in all that time there was not a linebacker worthy of the number one choice. I wonder why the change in philosophy on this position.
Add to that he help he would instantly provide with mobile QBs. You want to do something in the NFC he next few years, you better have something to slow down the running and extended plays from Newton, Rodgers, and Wilson.
Plenty on BBI are saying he "isn't a football player", "just an athlete,", "no production", etc.
And now some are harping on "even he says he only has one move".
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He is a football player who plays extremely light in the ass KWALL. And he didn't have much production in college. For these reasons I said he would be a horrible pick as a SAM. I like him much better as a WILL, but even then, these incredible coverage skills people say he has are just that he can run with the receiver and jump. He has no awareness of the ball when it's in the air.
I hope I'm wrong here, but we've seen these " athletes" look lost in the pros prior.
Referring to the comment that he struggled against top SEC teams.
Which is general sweeping statement not rooted in fact or actual information.
Where did posters get that notion? A single youtube highlight of Alabama, a game in which the soft weak, WR bodied linebacker was run at maybe 3 times all game? Really, go watch Floyd vs Bama, Alabama doesn't run at him, at all. Maybe it's just coincidence, but I have a hard time buying that a physical smashmouth team like Bama with Henry(who likely outweighed Floyd in the game) would just avoid targeting a soft run defender as Floyd is purported to be. I know you can't cite PFF because their numbers aren't real, but they are certainly an unbiased source and they have Floyd with a better run stopping grade than Shaq Lawson, who is a 260 lb defensive end.
I get the concerns with Floyd, I do. I just think that the train has gone off the tracks for some of the anti-Floyd posters, and some of the comments aren't based in reality. Come with something stronger than "oh he looks skinny, he must be soft and get pushed all over the field"
You are drafting Floyd for SPEED, bending the edge and getting after the QB while also contributing in coverage. You're not drafting him to put on bulk and stuff the run game. Did we not just see what a player like Von Miller can do for a team. And Kahlil Mack. No he isn't going to be Von Miller or Mack, but he can have a similar effect while helping in areas those guys don't. He is not a run stuffer.
false equivalencies like calling him Von Miller or Mack is that he isn't those players and he's in a different scheme. If Spags doesn't plan around Floyd, then Floyd becomes more like Bryan Kehl, a guy who couldn't shed blockers and who got blown up at the point of attack.
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
NFLBreakdown site has some good full game clips. Check out what he does on the pass rush when his hand is on the ground. It's impressive. This is where I see the guy having the biggest impact.
He can put on a little weight and be a full time 4-3 DE. I think that's where he'll end up in a couple of years.
In year one, they'll play him outside LB, LEO, and some DE. He'll play a lot. Maybe not good vs the run at him but you trade it for a huge boost vs the pass.
Late in games, a pass rush play makes the difference with wins and losses. He'll help with this in year one.
I've been watching more and more of him and love the guys game now and love how he will fit in with the Giants D.
Age is a bit of a negative but I see an instant impact player for our pass D and a guy with tremendous pass rushing upside over the next several years.
I also really like how he can help slow down mobile QBs. So much to like I'm surprised so many are against adding this skillset.
You are drafting Floyd for SPEED, bending the edge and getting after the QB while also contributing in coverage. You're not drafting him to put on bulk and stuff the run game. Did we not just see what a player like Von Miller can do for a team. And Kahlil Mack. No he isn't going to be Von Miller or Mack, but he can have a similar effect while helping in areas those guys don't. He is not a run stuffer.
Those 2 guys utilize their bulk and speed. Their speed counts for nothing if a tackle shoved them to the ground with a half swipe. I worry that Floyd would get his head taken off by some NFL tight ends and backs. I think when an NFL tackle get his hands on Floyd it's over. It's absolutely essential to me that Floyd plays on the weakside and gets to utilize his quick first step. In any situation where the tackle sets up to wait for him or he isn't already moving past the tackle I don't see any strength or power that an NFL tackle would struggle with at all.
on an SEC defense that had the #1 pass D in college football and top 10 or 15 in points against.
When asked to rush the passer he was extremely "productive" and disrupting the pass game. In the Vanderbilt 2015 game he had no sacks, terrible "production" right? But he was all over the QB consistently. Chasing and hitting him including a QB hit that caused a floater that was picked off. That's production!
is in high consideration for the Giants 1st round pick is because he is the best Edge Rusher in the draft. It has nothing to do with his overall linebacker skills or lack thereof - the Giants want to get after the QB and disrupt and Floyd has that ability.
false equivalencies like calling him Von Miller or Mack is that he isn't those players and he's in a different scheme. If Spags doesn't plan around Floyd, then Floyd becomes more like Bryan Kehl, a guy who couldn't shed blockers and who got blown up at the point of attack.
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
Falso equivalences? I didn’t say he was Von Miller or Mack, in fact I said “No, he isn’t going to be Von Miller or Mack”. He could have a similar (probably less) impact when it comes to closing out games and rushing on 3rd down. Speed around the edge. He adds the ability to cover which neither Mack or Miller do. It’s a big IF, but that IF is something you caveat more than anything other than a QB. And if they draft him at 10 and Spags doesn’t plan around him, then that’s just dumb and the whole FO and staff should be fired.
There is no scheme in the NFL that wouldn’t put a speed rusher on the end on 3rd downs passing situations. He would play the WILL on early downs and slide to End when Harrison comes out. No scheme change required.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
is in high consideration for the Giants 1st round pick is because he is the best Edge Rusher in the draft. It has nothing to do with his overall linebacker skills or lack thereof - the Giants want to get after the QB and disrupt and Floyd has that ability.
Couldn't agree more. I think people are comparing him more to a prototypical 4-3 LB. He isn't and not even close. Taking him is saying you want to load up on Edge Rushers. Something they are obviously doing this offseason.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
You are drafting Floyd for SPEED, bending the edge and getting after the QB while also contributing in coverage. You're not drafting him to put on bulk and stuff the run game. Did we not just see what a player like Von Miller can do for a team. And Kahlil Mack. No he isn't going to be Von Miller or Mack, but he can have a similar effect while helping in areas those guys don't. He is not a run stuffer.
Khalil Mack and Von Miller are a lot closer to 250 pounds than you're making it sound. They're both complete players, not specialists.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
What a ridiculous comment.
Yea and even more of a kid's body when he showed up to the combine weighing 245? What kid body is 6'5 245 and runs a 4.6 40. And with the age - he turns 24 in September. He will start his second season before the age of 25. That should not matter. People reference his age like he is ready to retire and will never work-out. He is 23 and hopefully will pump some iron once he gets to the NFL.
who cannot set the edge. Seems like a liability against the run game and would get pushed around and mauled. All the highlights I see of him involve rushing the QB, which is good, but too one dimensional for my taste at the LB position. Sure, he could add weight and develop into a more productive run stopper, but at 10, I'd prefer a more complete player rather than situational.
who cannot set the edge. Seems like a liability against the run game and would get pushed around and mauled...
He's got a boatload of TFLs. That means on rushing downs, he somehow gets into the backfield and tackles the bastid running with the ball in his hands. I'll take that please.
Again, his floor is a 3rd down pass rush specialist and the Giants need that desperately.
26.5 TFLs in three years (37 games) is a boatload? Â
His last two years at Southern Miss. he racked up 39.5 TFLs.
Floyd didn't even average one per game. And for all the talk about what a great coverage guy Floyd is, in those same 37 games he had 4 PDefs and no INTs, compared to Collins, who had 13 PDefs and 1 INT in his final two years.
You like Floyd's athleticism? Fine. You like his potential? Fine. But the last thing you should point to is his production in college, because it was mediocre, at best.
Now, maybe he'll be one of those guys who turns out to be a better pro than he was in college. Okay. It does happen. But if I'm Jerry Reese, I wouldn't want to stake my job and my team's future hoping that it will with Floyd.
Some have made the comparisons to Barr and Collins Â
and I don't think it was meant as to how all 3 were used in college, but as a projection to how Floyd could be used in the pros.
I'm not sure the relevance of comparing Floyd's TFL numbers to Collins in their final 2 years, when it was pretty well documented that Floyd played a significant amount of time lined up off the ball, that's going to to directly affect his opportunities for TFL and sacks. If you don't know how the two players were employed in their respective defenses then I don't think you can make a fair comparison. Collins played 4 years of college, and moved around over his career, but it could very well be that in his last two years he was used more exclusively in the box at the LOS.
Here are the game highlights from Collins junior year in a game against Nebraska, take note he is lined up on the LOS the entire game. There are some times he does a shallow zone drop, but the point is..that he is playing the same position the entire game(albeit flopping from left to right). He is lined up on the line of scrimmage the entire game. That's a hell of a lot different from what Georgia was doing with Leonard Floyd where in a single game he would play MLB, slot coverage and pass rushing DE. Again, if you don't know how the players were employed in their respective defenses then it's a waste of time to prop of their numbers side and side and praise one set of numbers and criticize the other. Obviously, if Floyd were lined up on the line of scrimmage continuously, I think you'd see an uptick in his production behind the line of scrimmage. I think it was 40% of his snaps were off ball(this is off the top of my head).
Can we drop it? Across the board and in general. Every year somebody brings up a prospects age when they're 24-25, it doesn't matter considering we can't even get anybody to contract #2. Doesn't even factor into his size either because he had no reason to be 260 in college. If he's motivated and can maintain his athleticism, he'll get to the right weight.
And this is a genuine question, why was he playing ILB for most snaps in GA? It's pretty obvious in the run game he can't get off a block, he just gets swallowed up. From what I've read GA has 2 OLB they favored over him, is that correct? I really don't know anything about the GA program, but for a who seems like his specialty is having his hand in the ground, why were they playing him elsewhere?
Fans on this board, is that they love him,but don't realize what position would best demonstrate his ability. As a WILL, he's very intriguing depending on how Spags uses him. But this type of player would be brand new for the Giants.
Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
And this is a genuine question, why was he playing ILB for most snaps in GA? It's pretty obvious in the run game he can't get off a block, he just gets swallowed up. From what I've read GA has 2 OLB they favored over him, is that correct? I really don't know anything about the GA program, but for a who seems like his specialty is having his hand in the ground, why were they playing him elsewhere?
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
I think that is the most legitimate question concerning Â
Floyd. If his best asset is getting after the quarterback, then why have him do that less. Why put him at MLB at all.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
Cannot deny that this is a fair point. My guess is that the other LB's maybe were primarily pass rushers and they wanted his athleticism on the field. Regardless though he still winded up rushing the QB 50% of the snaps he played so I guess they felt he was good enough to drop him down on a consistent basis.
RE: I think that is the most legitimate question concerning Â
Floyd. If his best asset is getting after the quarterback, then why have him do that less. Why put him at MLB at all.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
I agree. It's not easy to cover either. It takes technique and lot of guys (esp edge rushers) struggle with this. Maybe they felt he helped the team more in space with the other talent they had getting to the QB.
Fans on this board, is that they love him,but don't realize what position would best demonstrate his ability. As a WILL, he's very intriguing depending on how Spags uses him. But this type of player would be brand new for the Giants.
Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
I don't think there really is a similar player. I think he is somewhat similar to Bruce Irvin if he adds a few LB's. Maybe not as polished a pass rusher, but just as fast if not faster and (by reports) can cover decently. Irvin is never really asked to cover so its hard to tell.
The only thing that worries me about Floyd is his physicality and toughness. Was this tested? Does he get dinged up a lot? NFL is a speed game now but you still have to stand up to the punishment.
"If he gets injured and looses a step or two"
BSIMatt : 4/19/2016 12:55 pm : link : reply
You could say that about almost any pick.
Totally True but my point is that he MAY be
a one trick pony . Would rather trade down
and get a Legitimate DE ...
If there is a LB out there I would take it's
Jack . I want a natural LB with great instinct's
and Speed . In no way shape or form should we
risk some kind of Tweener or Medical risk .
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
You have no idea what the giants think. These writers just run with shit.
Maybe some teams are projecting the kind of pass rusher he can become with more than one move.
we look to have a superb DLine - with this guy wreaking havoc from different spots we can get after people
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Floyd absolutely has a position as an LBer.
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due to his negatives being so understood.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Floyd absolutely has a position as an LBer.
we'll see. He played LB in college and struggled against top SEC teams. His bust potential is too great for a pick at 10.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
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And it is so obvious that he'd take him even if he had the first pick in this draft....
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
You have no idea what the giants think. These writers just run with shit.
Exactly. Nobody knows what the Giants are thinking. Give them some credit. These writers just pass tidbits from "sources" and then we all think we know all the ins and outs. It's funny.
Was wondering that myself.
Hitdog, Slade, Myself, Raanan, Vacchiano etc. Don't know what the Giants are thinking.
"I must be taking crazy pills when I watch Leonard Floyd's tape. I see him in people's top-12 and just don't get it. Avoids contact."
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Makogmen, please stop making sense. It will hurt the cranium of many opponents of Floyd as the 10th pick.
Both are kinda weak at the POA yet i would think the 23/24 yr old would be better. Will he ever have leverage at that height?
"I must be taking crazy pills when I watch Leonard Floyd's tape. I see him in people's top-12 and just don't get it. Avoids contact."
Thankfully the Giants won't be taking pro scouting advice from a Bear's beat reporter.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Absolutely
Well what is physical? Is Floyd making a play on a TE or a RB in pass coverage likely to hit harder than a corner or a FS trying to make the same play? I think so. And speed, blowing up plays, disruption can produce more physical play even if he's not the one laying the lumber.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
After a spate of piss poor drafting, where the GM scored the proverbial 0.0 on one draft class and not much better on the previous class, people have a right to be skeptical about the team's judgment, especially when the argument in favor of selecting Floyd on the basis of potential rather than production is what got the team into trouble in the first place. I am torn. There are aspects of Floyd's game that are tantalizing but my conservative side says there are more than enough reasons to be wary
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Very good post. I said my peace at the beginning of these Floyd debates. Didn't want to keep beating a dead horse. But.. As I said then, every prospect has his worts. The people trashing Floyd need to remember that.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
A lot of words here that do not address the core issues: He's 6'6", never played about 220, is 24 and didn't produce huge in college.
Not only are you projecting his game to improve and translate in the pros, you're expecting him to develop a pro body in the pros. And you're expecting him to do all of this at 24.
The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
The production thing is the weakest knock on this prospect. Enough with the sack numbers. That is NOT how you measure a guys "productive". He had games with no sacks but was consistently harassing the QB. I just watched the anderbikt gsmr. He had a number of QB pressures and hits. One hit caused an INT.
He's got a game that will flourish in the NFL. This is not a high bust type plays . The pass rush skills are legit and will work in the NFL. It's one of the most valuable skills for a football team. That skill moves his floor up a lot. At a minimum, in year one he'll be a situational pass rusher (and a good one). But he's spent the last few years showing other skills that will keep him on the field for all 3 downs.
He's an excellent prospect for ththat Giants. A great fit for what we need and will compliment the guys we have on the team now. He'll also do a lot to solve our pass coverage problems.
One thing I don't like is the Dion Jordan comparisons. That's another BS knock on Floyd. He's nothing like Jordan. Jordan is an idiot. He didn't want to play football. Floyd loves the game. It's important to him. He works hard at it. Hes a good teammate.
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
If he's our pick, I've NEVER been in this situation where I truly didn't get the pick. I don't think it is him. I think he's smoke.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Age is no factor. If he plays 5 yrs he's 28/29. How many players stay with one team through more than one contract.
in this draft which is exactly what we need and as far
as not much highlights I beg to differ !
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The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
Age is a hangup when a guy doesn't have an NFL body yet. It's one thing at 20-21. Quite another thing at 24.
The Giants have not had a LB with Floyd's type of speed and suddenness in decades. I would be excited to add him to the defense.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Personally, I'm not rooting for Floyd at 10, but you've done a great job of articulating something very important here.
Well played, Sir!
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
As Parcells often said, "This stuff isn't for the feint-hearted."
mako, i agree with many of your points but there is a specific contention: in Spags scheme he demands players take on blockers (or smash into body masses as you put it). that's why he benched bryan kehl.
i am not saying floyd always does this (i don't know) but IF he is a guy who doesn't take on blocks he is going to be a poor fit in this defense and Spags won't like him.
of course, it wouldn't be the first time the front office handed a player who didn't fit the scheme either. we'll see soon enough
Another move to rush the passer can be learned/taught, His athletic ability can not be taught, you can't teach someone to be explosive, you either have it or you dont. He does, he's versatile, he can cover TEs, he's quick enough to cover RBs, he's quick enough to spy the QBs and get to them like the Newton's/Wilson's etc.
Another move to rush the passer can be learned/taught, His athletic ability can not be taught, you can't teach someone to be explosive, you either have it or you dont. He does, he's versatile, he can cover TEs, he's quick enough to cover RBs, he's quick enough to spy the QBs and get to them like the Newton's/Wilson's etc.
I'll alert the media...again.
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There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
A lot of words here that do not address the core issues: He's 6'6", never played about 220, is 24 and didn't produce huge in college.
Not only are you projecting his game to improve and translate in the pros, you're expecting him to develop a pro body in the pros. And you're expecting him to do all of this at 24.
Floyd showed up at the combine at 244lbs. He could be 260 lbs by the start of training camp if the Giants wanted him to be. He has the frame to add weight without losing speed, according to reports I have read.
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
Wow. You really are a douchebag; in fact, you're the very definition of a douchebag.
Please hold fast to your promise to post less. You'd be doing us all a favor.
Always seems to be protecting his legs .
If he gets injured and looses a step or two
Giagantic Bust at #10 .
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Lack of production? The article claims Georgia played him out of position (at inside linebacker) last year and he ended up with 74 tackles. That, to me, is production.
The production argument is ridiculous regarding Floyd. I think people complaining about production are forecasting him as an edge rusher(which he might end up being), and comparing him to previous players who were used exclusively on the edge in college. Mack was a pass rusher in college, spent 100% of his snaps going after QBs on passing plays. In a single game against Alabama Floyd's time was divided between MLB, edge rusher and in slot coverage. If 40% of his time is spent NOT rushing the passer and you're harping on sack numbers then you're not comparing apples to apples.
Hell, there have been claims about how Jack can do it all, including coming off the edge...have you seen Jacks sack numbers? It doesn't mean Jack couldn't be great at it, it means he wasn't asked to do it..at all. Huge difference. You can't just stick your head in the sand and bitch and whine about production without considering what the player was even asked to do for his team and factoring in that in.
Hell, DeForest Buckner whom everyone would be doing carthweels over if the Giants grabbed him totaled a whopping 18 sacks in 4 years at Oregon. He'd still be a good pick though, right?
If you don't like a guy that's fine, but to act like Floyd didn't do anything on a football field to warrant praise and was just a combine star is equally ridiculous. How do you make the freshman SEC team without playing well? How do you perform poorly against SEC competition and also get voted the defensive MVP of your team?
I have only watched 2 games of his, a few highlight videos and read scouting profiles. It's not like I am purporting to know the guy will suck. I think his floor is a guy that when healthy plays any passing down. The guys talking him up have likely viewed no more "tape" than I have.
He is a polarizing prospect because despite his insane athleticism there are questions.
Why hasn't he lifted for scouts ever?
Why would he play at 226 when he got to an athletic 240 pounds so easily?
Why was he moved around so much? Is it to cover for other team weaknesses or to cover for his?
How come he appears to struggle with run blocks, tackling with force, and playing physical/with a mean streak?
If the Giants draft him I'm sure they have information that answers most or all of these questions. So far he scares the shit out of me as a draft pick at 10.
Seems like at minimum, Floyd will force the QB to make a split second decision or take a hit. I'd love to see that. Play after play when JPP, Vernon, Hankins, Snacks and Floyd are making the QB so uncomfortable they want to just call a timeout and cry.
I understand there have very few of those guys available since then, as a matter of opinion, there have been no L.T. s.
But it is difficult to believe in all that time there was not a linebacker worthy of the number one choice. I wonder why the change in philosophy on this position.
And now some are harping on "even he says he only has one move".
Floyd will help in this aspect too.
And now some are harping on "even he says he only has one move".
He is a football player who plays extremely light in the ass KWALL. And he didn't have much production in college. For these reasons I said he would be a horrible pick as a SAM. I like him much better as a WILL, but even then, these incredible coverage skills people say he has are just that he can run with the receiver and jump. He has no awareness of the ball when it's in the air.
I hope I'm wrong here, but we've seen these " athletes" look lost in the pros prior.
Which is general sweeping statement not rooted in fact or actual information.
Where did posters get that notion? A single youtube highlight of Alabama, a game in which the soft weak, WR bodied linebacker was run at maybe 3 times all game? Really, go watch Floyd vs Bama, Alabama doesn't run at him, at all. Maybe it's just coincidence, but I have a hard time buying that a physical smashmouth team like Bama with Henry(who likely outweighed Floyd in the game) would just avoid targeting a soft run defender as Floyd is purported to be. I know you can't cite PFF because their numbers aren't real, but they are certainly an unbiased source and they have Floyd with a better run stopping grade than Shaq Lawson, who is a 260 lb defensive end.
I get the concerns with Floyd, I do. I just think that the train has gone off the tracks for some of the anti-Floyd posters, and some of the comments aren't based in reality. Come with something stronger than "oh he looks skinny, he must be soft and get pushed all over the field"
No guys that "need a year to bulk up" at pick 10.
We are all just repeating scouting profiles, whether we are for or against Floyd.
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
He can put on a little weight and be a full time 4-3 DE. I think that's where he'll end up in a couple of years.
In year one, they'll play him outside LB, LEO, and some DE. He'll play a lot. Maybe not good vs the run at him but you trade it for a huge boost vs the pass.
Late in games, a pass rush play makes the difference with wins and losses. He'll help with this in year one.
I've been watching more and more of him and love the guys game now and love how he will fit in with the Giants D.
Age is a bit of a negative but I see an instant impact player for our pass D and a guy with tremendous pass rushing upside over the next several years.
I also really like how he can help slow down mobile QBs. So much to like I'm surprised so many are against adding this skillset.
Those 2 guys utilize their bulk and speed. Their speed counts for nothing if a tackle shoved them to the ground with a half swipe. I worry that Floyd would get his head taken off by some NFL tight ends and backs. I think when an NFL tackle get his hands on Floyd it's over. It's absolutely essential to me that Floyd plays on the weakside and gets to utilize his quick first step. In any situation where the tackle sets up to wait for him or he isn't already moving past the tackle I don't see any strength or power that an NFL tackle would struggle with at all.
When asked to rush the passer he was extremely "productive" and disrupting the pass game. In the Vanderbilt 2015 game he had no sacks, terrible "production" right? But he was all over the QB consistently. Chasing and hitting him including a QB hit that caused a floater that was picked off. That's production!
The assumption is floyd can come in and be disruptive and not have to play the run. Fine. But that would require a change in the scheme since currently, the position requires the LB to play the run.
The comments that act like Floyd is an incredible playmaker seem to be really assumptive in nature while the ones comparing him to Mack and Miller are simply false equivalencies.
Falso equivalences? I didn’t say he was Von Miller or Mack, in fact I said “No, he isn’t going to be Von Miller or Mack”. He could have a similar (probably less) impact when it comes to closing out games and rushing on 3rd down. Speed around the edge. He adds the ability to cover which neither Mack or Miller do. It’s a big IF, but that IF is something you caveat more than anything other than a QB. And if they draft him at 10 and Spags doesn’t plan around him, then that’s just dumb and the whole FO and staff should be fired.
There is no scheme in the NFL that wouldn’t put a speed rusher on the end on 3rd downs passing situations. He would play the WILL on early downs and slide to End when Harrison comes out. No scheme change required.
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
Go get the QB... 4 aces, NASCAR and blitz packages in year one.
Couldn't agree more. I think people are comparing him more to a prototypical 4-3 LB. He isn't and not even close. Taking him is saying you want to load up on Edge Rushers. Something they are obviously doing this offseason.
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The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
What a ridiculous comment.
Khalil Mack and Von Miller are a lot closer to 250 pounds than you're making it sound. They're both complete players, not specialists.
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The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
Nah. He's got a kids body but he's an adult man.
That should scare you.
6'4", 220 is a kids body? And since when is a 24 year old athlete incapable of putting on mass? Yeah.. really spooky.
What a ridiculous comment.
Yea and even more of a kid's body when he showed up to the combine weighing 245? What kid body is 6'5 245 and runs a 4.6 40. And with the age - he turns 24 in September. He will start his second season before the age of 25. That should not matter. People reference his age like he is ready to retire and will never work-out. He is 23 and hopefully will pump some iron once he gets to the NFL.
He's got a boatload of TFLs. That means on rushing downs, he somehow gets into the backfield and tackles the bastid running with the ball in his hands. I'll take that please.
Again, his floor is a 3rd down pass rush specialist and the Giants need that desperately.
Floyd didn't even average one per game. And for all the talk about what a great coverage guy Floyd is, in those same 37 games he had 4 PDefs and no INTs, compared to Collins, who had 13 PDefs and 1 INT in his final two years.
You like Floyd's athleticism? Fine. You like his potential? Fine. But the last thing you should point to is his production in college, because it was mediocre, at best.
Now, maybe he'll be one of those guys who turns out to be a better pro than he was in college. Okay. It does happen. But if I'm Jerry Reese, I wouldn't want to stake my job and my team's future hoping that it will with Floyd.
I'm not sure the relevance of comparing Floyd's TFL numbers to Collins in their final 2 years, when it was pretty well documented that Floyd played a significant amount of time lined up off the ball, that's going to to directly affect his opportunities for TFL and sacks. If you don't know how the two players were employed in their respective defenses then I don't think you can make a fair comparison. Collins played 4 years of college, and moved around over his career, but it could very well be that in his last two years he was used more exclusively in the box at the LOS.
Here are the game highlights from Collins junior year in a game against Nebraska, take note he is lined up on the LOS the entire game. There are some times he does a shallow zone drop, but the point is..that he is playing the same position the entire game(albeit flopping from left to right). He is lined up on the line of scrimmage the entire game. That's a hell of a lot different from what Georgia was doing with Leonard Floyd where in a single game he would play MLB, slot coverage and pass rushing DE. Again, if you don't know how the players were employed in their respective defenses then it's a waste of time to prop of their numbers side and side and praise one set of numbers and criticize the other. Obviously, if Floyd were lined up on the line of scrimmage continuously, I think you'd see an uptick in his production behind the line of scrimmage. I think it was 40% of his snaps were off ball(this is off the top of my head).
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Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
BECAUSE HES SO VERSATILE Colin! Duh. ::eye roll::
;-)
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
In all seriousness I think it speaks volumes about him, just without really knowing GA's program, I can't tell if it's a supremely positive or negative statement.
Was he so good that they felt comfortable playing him out of position to get 2 other pass rushers on the field, or did they favor the other 2 pass rushers but couldn't deny his athleticism so needed to put him somewhere?
Again, honest question.
Cannot deny that this is a fair point. My guess is that the other LB's maybe were primarily pass rushers and they wanted his athleticism on the field. Regardless though he still winded up rushing the QB 50% of the snaps he played so I guess they felt he was good enough to drop him down on a consistent basis.
Regarding a player comparison, Julian Peterson, out of Michigan St.
Regarding the Georgia coaches playing Floyd off ball more, while two other edge rushers playing more at the LOS, I think the explanation would be Georgia trying to get their best players on the field together. One of those edge rushers was a true freshman(Lorenzo Carter), I think Georgia was trying to get their best athletes on the field and Floyd was capable of playing elsewhere while the others weren't. I'm speculating, but that's my guess.
I agree. It's not easy to cover either. It takes technique and lot of guys (esp edge rushers) struggle with this. Maybe they felt he helped the team more in space with the other talent they had getting to the QB.
Let me ask the Floyd fans this: what similar, successful player has there been in the NFL?
I don't think there really is a similar player. I think he is somewhat similar to Bruce Irvin if he adds a few LB's. Maybe not as polished a pass rusher, but just as fast if not faster and (by reports) can cover decently. Irvin is never really asked to cover so its hard to tell.
The only thing that worries me about Floyd is his physicality and toughness. Was this tested? Does he get dinged up a lot? NFL is a speed game now but you still have to stand up to the punishment.
"If he gets injured and looses a step or two"
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You could say that about almost any pick.
Totally True but my point is that he MAY be
a one trick pony . Would rather trade down
and get a Legitimate DE ...
If there is a LB out there I would take it's
Jack . I want a natural LB with great instinct's
and Speed . In no way shape or form should we
risk some kind of Tweener or Medical risk .