“A big strength of my game would be my speed,’’ Floyd said at the NFL scouting combine. “A weakness would probably be me [not] having more than one pass-rush move. I can work on it and come up with a new move that I can go to rather than just using speed.’’
Maybe some teams are projecting the kind of pass rusher he can become with more than one move.
he is a potential X Factor. Can provide 2 things we desperately need - a speed rush from the RDE position and a really good blitzer
we look to have a superb DLine - with this guy wreaking havoc from different spots we can get after people
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
And it is so obvious that he'd take him even if he had the first pick in this draft....
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
You have no idea what the giants think. These writers just run with shit.
Exactly. Nobody knows what the Giants are thinking. Give them some credit. These writers just pass tidbits from "sources" and then we all think we know all the ins and outs. It's funny.
But I can guarantee that nobody outside of the Giants top braintrust knows who they really are targeting at 10. Heck they probably don't even know fully yet.
Hitdog, Slade, Myself, Raanan, Vacchiano etc. Don't know what the Giants are thinking.
Where Reese goes to the local police station in Floyd's hometown and inquires if he got into any trouble growing up. Again, reading the tea leaves, this feels exactly like Accorsi fawning over Shockey all over again.
RE: What surprises me is the lack of sophisticated insight Â
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Makogmen, please stop making sense. It will hurt the cranium of many opponents of Floyd as the 10th pick.
The Bears beat writer is correct. If you want the Giants defense to be more physical Floyd is NOT your guy.
Well what is physical? Is Floyd making a play on a TE or a RB in pass coverage likely to hit harder than a corner or a FS trying to make the same play? I think so. And speed, blowing up plays, disruption can produce more physical play even if he's not the one laying the lumber.
RE: What surprises me is the lack of sophisticated insight Â
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
After a spate of piss poor drafting, where the GM scored the proverbial 0.0 on one draft class and not much better on the previous class, people have a right to be skeptical about the team's judgment, especially when the argument in favor of selecting Floyd on the basis of potential rather than production is what got the team into trouble in the first place. I am torn. There are aspects of Floyd's game that are tantalizing but my conservative side says there are more than enough reasons to be wary
RE: What surprises me is the lack of sophisticated insight Â
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Very good post. I said my peace at the beginning of these Floyd debates. Didn't want to keep beating a dead horse. But.. As I said then, every prospect has his worts. The people trashing Floyd need to remember that.
A physical linebacker would be one who plays stout at the point of attack and blows up the opposing blocker to either make the play himself or open it up for someone else. Floyd's game film and various scouting reports including our "experts" here state that Floyd runs around blockers and is not good against the run. They applaud his measurables and his potential but we've taken these "great" athletes at their positions lately and for the most part,most have not worked out. Floyd is supposed to be a "great" pass rusher"? It hasn't happened on the field. IMO,way too risky for a team like ours. I'm tired of gambling on greatness.
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
A lot of words here that do not address the core issues: He's 6'6", never played about 220, is 24 and didn't produce huge in college.
Not only are you projecting his game to improve and translate in the pros, you're expecting him to develop a pro body in the pros. And you're expecting him to do all of this at 24.
Cruz made the team at 24. How many BYU products have been successful in the NFL, most come in at 24. As for him going around blockers, it is important to look first at what was his responsibility on the play. It serves no purpose to run into a mass of bodies. LB play is about lanes and diagnosing direction and intent. There are many examples of Floyd hitting the gap and stopping the RB in his tracks, impeding forward progress or making tackles for losses.
The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
The Giants have a 3 to 4 year window whether Floyd was 24 or 19, it simply doesnt matter. You select the BPA that's going to help over the next 3/4 years period
The production thing is the weakest knock on this prospect. Enough with the sack numbers. That is NOT how you measure a guys "productive". He had games with no sacks but was consistently harassing the QB. I just watched the anderbikt gsmr. He had a number of QB pressures and hits. One hit caused an INT.
He's got a game that will flourish in the NFL. This is not a high bust type plays . The pass rush skills are legit and will work in the NFL. It's one of the most valuable skills for a football team. That skill moves his floor up a lot. At a minimum, in year one he'll be a situational pass rusher (and a good one). But he's spent the last few years showing other skills that will keep him on the field for all 3 downs.
He's an excellent prospect for ththat Giants. A great fit for what we need and will compliment the guys we have on the team now. He'll also do a lot to solve our pass coverage problems.
One thing I don't like is the Dion Jordan comparisons. That's another BS knock on Floyd. He's nothing like Jordan. Jordan is an idiot. He didn't want to play football. Floyd loves the game. It's important to him. He works hard at it. Hes a good teammate.
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
I counter all these "ideas" with a highlight tape not featuring many highlights. One I recall, depicting his speed as he sticks with his guy in coverage...his guy MADE the play of course.
If he's our pick, I've NEVER been in this situation where I truly didn't get the pick. I don't think it is him. I think he's smoke.
You do realize that being selected team captain in college Â
Floyd is one of the best A gap blitzers
in this draft which is exactly what we need and as far
as not much highlights I beg to differ ! The Freak - ( New Window )
Cruz made the team at 24. How many BYU products have been successful in the NFL, most come in at 24. As for him going around blockers, it is important to look first at what was his responsibility on the play. It serves no purpose to run into a mass of bodies. LB play is about lanes and diagnosing direction and intent. There are many examples of Floyd hitting the gap and stopping the RB in his tracks, impeding forward progress or making tackles for losses.
The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
Age is a hangup when a guy doesn't have an NFL body yet. It's one thing at 20-21. Quite another thing at 24.
There was a time that the New York Giants fanbase was shrewd in deciphering athleticism, skillset, measurables and instinct when analyzing players. From all the opinions I am viewing it seems more about personal preference than true foresight. All these evaluators seem to be biased toward there opinion as to what teams should do rather than understanding the intent of what teams want to do.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Personally, I'm not rooting for Floyd at 10, but you've done a great job of articulating something very important here.
He's more Jessie Armstead then either of those two...
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
OK with the pick, but there is a bust factor. Floyd has the length and freakish athleticism that the Giants traditionally covet, especially in their high round picks. He can cover and rush the passer. He is versatile. My concern is that his slender build may make him more prone to injury in the NFL. I still think he’s the pick if Hargreaves is gone.
A right tackle is not a game changer at #10. A proper RB makes this offense dominant. Too many times the offense could not pick up short first downs and the defense was back on the field to quickly. Pass rusher is the other game changer in todays game. Both of these to me will make the team better right away.
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
You have no idea what the giants think. These writers just run with shit.
Maybe some teams are projecting the kind of pass rusher he can become with more than one move.
we look to have a superb DLine - with this guy wreaking havoc from different spots we can get after people
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Floyd absolutely has a position as an LBer.
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due to his negatives being so understood.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Floyd absolutely has a position as an LBer.
we'll see. He played LB in college and struggled against top SEC teams. His bust potential is too great for a pick at 10.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
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And it is so obvious that he'd take him even if he had the first pick in this draft....
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
You have no idea what the giants think. These writers just run with shit.
Exactly. Nobody knows what the Giants are thinking. Give them some credit. These writers just pass tidbits from "sources" and then we all think we know all the ins and outs. It's funny.
Was wondering that myself.
Hitdog, Slade, Myself, Raanan, Vacchiano etc. Don't know what the Giants are thinking.
"I must be taking crazy pills when I watch Leonard Floyd's tape. I see him in people's top-12 and just don't get it. Avoids contact."
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Makogmen, please stop making sense. It will hurt the cranium of many opponents of Floyd as the 10th pick.
Both are kinda weak at the POA yet i would think the 23/24 yr old would be better. Will he ever have leverage at that height?
"I must be taking crazy pills when I watch Leonard Floyd's tape. I see him in people's top-12 and just don't get it. Avoids contact."
Thankfully the Giants won't be taking pro scouting advice from a Bear's beat reporter.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Absolutely
Well what is physical? Is Floyd making a play on a TE or a RB in pass coverage likely to hit harder than a corner or a FS trying to make the same play? I think so. And speed, blowing up plays, disruption can produce more physical play even if he's not the one laying the lumber.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
After a spate of piss poor drafting, where the GM scored the proverbial 0.0 on one draft class and not much better on the previous class, people have a right to be skeptical about the team's judgment, especially when the argument in favor of selecting Floyd on the basis of potential rather than production is what got the team into trouble in the first place. I am torn. There are aspects of Floyd's game that are tantalizing but my conservative side says there are more than enough reasons to be wary
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Very good post. I said my peace at the beginning of these Floyd debates. Didn't want to keep beating a dead horse. But.. As I said then, every prospect has his worts. The people trashing Floyd need to remember that.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
A lot of words here that do not address the core issues: He's 6'6", never played about 220, is 24 and didn't produce huge in college.
Not only are you projecting his game to improve and translate in the pros, you're expecting him to develop a pro body in the pros. And you're expecting him to do all of this at 24.
The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
The production thing is the weakest knock on this prospect. Enough with the sack numbers. That is NOT how you measure a guys "productive". He had games with no sacks but was consistently harassing the QB. I just watched the anderbikt gsmr. He had a number of QB pressures and hits. One hit caused an INT.
He's got a game that will flourish in the NFL. This is not a high bust type plays . The pass rush skills are legit and will work in the NFL. It's one of the most valuable skills for a football team. That skill moves his floor up a lot. At a minimum, in year one he'll be a situational pass rusher (and a good one). But he's spent the last few years showing other skills that will keep him on the field for all 3 downs.
He's an excellent prospect for ththat Giants. A great fit for what we need and will compliment the guys we have on the team now. He'll also do a lot to solve our pass coverage problems.
One thing I don't like is the Dion Jordan comparisons. That's another BS knock on Floyd. He's nothing like Jordan. Jordan is an idiot. He didn't want to play football. Floyd loves the game. It's important to him. He works hard at it. Hes a good teammate.
(And yes, I'm exaggerating, but Reese's hard on for Floyd is clear as day)
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
If he's our pick, I've NEVER been in this situation where I truly didn't get the pick. I don't think it is him. I think he's smoke.
- No position
- Slender
- age
- lack of production
if he busts, you have to consider firing Reese. We need an impact player at 10, and this kid shelf life is limited already.
Age is no factor. If he plays 5 yrs he's 28/29. How many players stay with one team through more than one contract.
in this draft which is exactly what we need and as far
as not much highlights I beg to differ !
The Freak - ( New Window )
The LB depends on the DL stoutness to have the freedom to diagnose and attack. Georgia DL was at times soft up the middle causing an obstruction in the path to the ball, getting caught up in that marsh pit many times leads to injuries. You can't fault a player for looking out for his health and welfare.
A LB job is not meet the OL at the LOS, but rather to meet the ballcarrier at the POA. So if there is a mass in the way you give up pursuit by getting caught up in the wash. Many seem to parrot what the so called pundits state. It is better to watch the highlights or the games to discern what was being navigated and what you would of done different to alter the outcome. Then you will have some insight to what thought process was being employed in a real time moment.
I have mentioned many times that no one has seen Floyd play with the added wieght, so how stout he may be is an unknown. What can not be denied is that he is a downhill player, that is instinct. Also in the NFL he will not be playing as much ILB because Floyd is an OLB. Ultimately it is curious that a bears reporter would offer an opinion as to whether Floyd fits in our scheme, when many mocks by pundits have Floyd going to the Bears at 11.
Don't let yourself be decieved, watch for yourself and make a judgement based on scrutiny not supposed know it all jargon. Another point to consider why are so many pundits so against the Giants getting this player, making remarks to his fit in the Giants scheme rather than his ability. You can't be a disruptor and not be an impact player, Floyd is a disruptor.
Age is a hangup when a guy doesn't have an NFL body yet. It's one thing at 20-21. Quite another thing at 24.
The Giants have not had a LB with Floyd's type of speed and suddenness in decades. I would be excited to add him to the defense.
It seems to me that they are selling a bag of goods in the hopes that their readers don't see what the reality is. Many of these pundits have reached a level of arogance that they believe themselves superior in discernment and foresight, yet never put forth a disclaimer when actuality trumps their percieved reality.
Floyd was Team Captain, that title is not given to a weak or mediocre player, rather to an individual everyone respects. So when you hear people voice negative statements on the leadership of a team we must be leary. The Captaincy of an athletic club is determine through election not appointment, and comes through recognition of exemplary performance in the field. Floyd was so versatile that it allowed his coaches discretion to fill multiple roles in finalizing their alignments.
Somehow that has been interpreted being a tweeener, Floyd primarily played LB. Whether he was ILB, SLB, WLB, rushing the passer or in coverage. It was rare that he was in a 3 point stance. Therefore to name him a tweener is a misrepresentation. Why were his sack totals not higher, because his primary responsibility was in the Georgia scheme was not to rush the passer. If you look at the stats you will find that he rushed only half of the snaps yet, he was in the top 3 of most pass rushing stats.
While many have their preferences, it is wrong to disparage his ability or disregard his unique skillset. No one in this draft class offers the combination that Floyd possess. Therefore though you may favor an OT, Slot CB, RB, or WR, all those positions have more options later in the Draft. But, in this there is only one like Leonard Floyd.
Personally, I'm not rooting for Floyd at 10, but you've done a great job of articulating something very important here.
Well played, Sir!
Ugh,the ignorance on this site is unreal!!
If you all really believe Reese has been fawning over Floyd then you really are delusional,but most on here are living in there own little fantasy land!! HAHA...
Doesn't surprise me anymore because so is most of thr general public...
As Parcells often said, "This stuff isn't for the feint-hearted."