This is not for the draft as we tend to go for the best player that fits us long term. I'm sure in the back of the FO's mind need is still a tie breaker and always in the back of their minds, but that is not the purpose of this exercise.
Anyway, here's my best shot at our needs list prioritizes, completely ignoring how it fits into the draft a few days from now:
1) No. 2 WR
2) No. 3 CB
3) Starting RT
4) Ball Hawking Free Safety
5) Starting LB
6) Another pass rushing DE
7) TE
8) RB
Go ahead and rip it apart. This is just an exercise for me to get a feel from the rest or our fans.
2) Starting RT
3) #2 WR
4) Starting WLB
5) Starting RG
6) Starting TE
7) Nickel CB
we need a JAG.
the most pressing need on this team is a
WR
Nickel CB
OLB
MLB
CB
then
OT
we need a JAG.
the most pressing need on this team is a
WR
Nickel CB
OLB
MLB
CB
then
OT
What? Why do we need a JAG to be our starting RT? Isn't that what Newhouse is?
we have 3 guys on this roster whose sole purpose drafted was to be a FS
are you telling me that we need to draft another FS?
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we dont need a starting RT
we need a JAG.
the most pressing need on this team is a
WR
Nickel CB
OLB
MLB
CB
then
OT
What? Why do we need a JAG to be our starting RT? Isn't that what Newhouse is?
which side of the ball is weaker heading into 2016 as compared to 2015
WR
or
OL
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Seems to me that WR and FS are #1 and 1A, with RT a close 3rd.
we have 3 guys on this roster whose sole purpose drafted was to be a FS
are you telling me that we need to draft another FS?
Yes. They're not good.
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we dont need a starting RT
we need a JAG.
the most pressing need on this team is a
WR
Nickel CB
OLB
MLB
CB
then
OT
What? Why do we need a JAG to be our starting RT? Isn't that what Newhouse is?
which side of the ball is weaker heading into 2016 as compared to 2015
WR
or
OL
Which side of the ball or which position? We need help on both offense and defense and we need a #2 WR and a starting RG and RT if that answers your question.
I'm with you yat
Did you see our safeties last year? FS is a gaping hole. Gaping.
Nickel Cornerback/ #3 Cornerback
#2 Wide Receiver
Offensive Guard
Cover Safety
In that order
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Seems to me that WR and FS are #1 and 1A, with RT a close 3rd.
we have 3 guys on this roster whose sole purpose drafted was to be a FS
are you telling me that we need to draft another FS?
Yes. They're not good.
so lets be clear.
You want to draft a RT when we already have one (Flowers)
You want to draft a FS when we have 3 players who will be on our active roster who were all recently drafted to be a FS.
You seem like a very very smart football guy.
LB
FS
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And "we don't need a starting right tackle" ? What??
Did you see our safeties last year? FS is a gaping hole. Gaping.
It's a need for sure but I guess I'm factoring in the value of the position, that plus the fact that it was like cursed last season everyone at camp competing for that spot got hurt and we don't know what they have yet already, but I hear good things about Nat. Plus we haven't really seen him, Jackson or Thompson yet.
2) Starting RT
3) #2 WR
4) Starting WLB
5) Starting RG
6) Starting TE
7) Nickel CB
Drop the mic, you win.
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Seems to me that WR and FS are #1 and 1A, with RT a close 3rd.
we have 3 guys on this roster whose sole purpose drafted was to be a FS
are you telling me that we need to draft another FS?
Yes. They're not good.
so lets be clear.
You want to draft a RT when we already have one (Flowers)
You want to draft a FS when we have 3 players who will be on our active roster who were all recently drafted to be a FS.
You seem like a very very smart football guy.
So let's be clear:
I want to draft the best player available, but if we're going by need, RT is a gaping hole.
My turn:
Ereck Flowers will be the starting LT barring a scenario where we draft Ronnie Stanley. But since you said Ereck Flowers is a RT, who do you think will play LT?
And Berhe is a SS, Jackson was drafted to be a CB, not Safety and Thompson flat-out sucks. Not to mention, all three are extremely inexperienced, are coming off injuries and aren't very good to begin with.
2. RT
3. FS
4. DE
5. G
6. LB
7. TE
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Seems to me that WR and FS are #1 and 1A, with RT a close 3rd.
we have 3 guys on this roster whose sole purpose drafted was to be a FS
are you telling me that we need to draft another FS?
Yes. They're not good.
so lets be clear.
You want to draft a RT when we already have one (Flowers)
You want to draft a FS when we have 3 players who will be on our active roster who were all recently drafted to be a FS.
You seem like a very very smart football guy.
So let's be clear:
I want to draft the best player available, but if we're going by need, RT is a gaping hole.
My turn:
Ereck Flowers will be the starting LT barring a scenario where we draft Ronnie Stanley. But since you said Ereck Flowers is a RT, who do you think will play LT?
And Berhe is a SS, Jackson was drafted to be a CB, not Safety and Thompson flat-out sucks. Not to mention, all three are extremely inexperienced, are coming off injuries and aren't very good to begin with.
RT is not a gaping hole.
We have players there who can start and be below average.
There isnt a #2 WR on this team who could even be below average.
2) Ball Hawking Free Safety
3) Starting RT
4) Another pass rushing DE
5) No. 2 WR
6) TE
7) No. 3 CB
8) RB
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And "we don't need a starting right tackle" ? What??
Did you see our safeties last year? FS is a gaping hole. Gaping.
It's a need for sure but I guess I'm factoring in the value of the position, that plus the fact that it was like cursed last season everyone at camp competing for that spot got hurt and we don't know what they have yet already, but I hear good things about Nat. Plus we haven't really seen him, Jackson or Thompson yet.
I'm skeptical. I never liked Berhe, Jackson or Thompson to begin with. I simply don't think that any of them are starting quality players. Obviously they haven't played much as they are all coming off injuries but let's break them down very briefly.
Berhe was a fifth rounder drafted to be a SS. Coming out of San Diego State, he wasn't known as a centerfield guy; he was known as a LoS guy, similar to Landon Collins. He's a SS like Collins. I don't think we need two redundant players starting.
Jackson was a sixth round pick who converted from WR to CB. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any experience at Safety and if he does it's very limited. Could he be a decent FS? Maybe but I'm not going to hand him the job. He's proven absolutely nothing and I never thought he was very good to begin with.
Thompson was a fifth round pick who didn't even expect to be drafted. He was an unspectacular Safety at Texas.
So not only have these guys shown nothing in college or the pros to warrant any of them receiving the starting FS job but they're all coming off injuries. FS is the biggest need on this team, IMO.
We have players there who can start and be below average.
There isnt a #2 WR on this team who could even be below average." [/quote]
So it's ok to be below average?
We have players there who can start and be below average.
There isnt a #2 WR on this team who could even be below average."
So it's ok to be below average? [/quote]
red herring.
Got anything else?
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"RT is not a gaping hole.
We have players there who can start and be below average.
There isnt a #2 WR on this team who could even be below average."
So it's ok to be below average?
red herring.
Got anything else? [/quote]
You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
We have players there who can start and be below average.
There isnt a #2 WR on this team who could even be below average."
So it's ok to be below average? [/quote]
And maybe you missed the fact that I listed WR as my third biggest need. This isn't an either/or thing. No one is holding a gun to my head and saying that I need to fill either the RT position or the #2 WR position. We have plenty of cap space and plenty of draft picks to improve this team. I want to fill every single need and not with "below average" players.
1B) No. 1 LT preferred but RT will do
2A) No. 1 two way TE
2B) No. 2 WR
3) No. 1 FS
4) 3 down RB
5) No. 3 CB
6) No. 1 RG
You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
This team absolutely does nto need another RT, because we already have one, Flowers. It just happens that he is playing out of position.
You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses.
My assessment of the team is that the weakness at WR far exceeds that of the OL as currently constructed.
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You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
This team absolutely does nto need another RT, because we already have one, Flowers. It just happens that he is playing out of position.
You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses.
My assessment of the team is that the weakness at WR far exceeds that of the OL as currently constructed.
Ok, so he plays LT?
"You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses."
Uhh, what?
2.) RT
3.) FS/Slot CB
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You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
This team absolutely does nto need another RT, because we already have one, Flowers. It just happens that he is playing out of position.
You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses.
My assessment of the team is that the weakness at WR far exceeds that of the OL as currently constructed.
Ok, so he plays LT?
"You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses."
Uhh, what?
yes, he does.
Do you have a question or an argument instead of a statement?
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You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
This team absolutely does nto need another RT, because we already have one, Flowers. It just happens that he is playing out of position.
You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses.
My assessment of the team is that the weakness at WR far exceeds that of the OL as currently constructed.
Ok, so he plays LT?
"You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses."
Uhh, what?
yes, he does.
Do you have a question or an argument instead of a statement?
*Who. Pardon me. I meant WHO plays LT?
2) WR #2 (upgrade to Randle)
3) FS (assumes the three we have all flop outright)
4) No. 3 CB
5) Starting LB
6) Another pass rushing DE
7) RB
Note: A "Pass Rusher" would be 1A and I could care less if he is a DE, DT, or LB. We need a "matchup nightmare" guy for other teams to worry about, gameplan for, and requires double teaming.
I still think we draft six players and all stick (barring injury); we also sign a starting UFA RT, WR #2, DL, CB and FS. I would not be shocked if we spent all of our money (except for rookie pool and in-season injury pool)within a week of the draft ending.
I still want CB Powers signed.
CB-WR/TE: lack of quality depth is alarming at these positions
DE: better depth of talent needed...JPP still an enigma on a one year contract
OG: Pugh has ability, Hart might be a factor. The rest appear to be a bunch of JAG's. Maybe the CFL kid has some upside if he did yeoman's work in the weight room.
RB: No impact players in this group.
3. WR
4. LB
5. RT
You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
I think the OP is right and the criticism cited above is wrong and just trying to "not understand". Newsome is better than our second WR and probably better (at his position) than anyone we have at FS. The posters point is that all teams have positions where you get by with less than good players Not that you wouldn't upgrade that position if you have the chance. See Torbor, Blackburn, james Butler, Wilson, Madison, Grant, Paysinger etc.all below average players that we won superbowls with.
The poster quoted above seems more interested in attracting attention with a vitriolic misrepresentation of a well-drawn point.
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You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
This team absolutely does nto need another RT, because we already have one, Flowers. It just happens that he is playing out of position.
You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses.
My assessment of the team is that the weakness at WR far exceeds that of the OL as currently constructed.
Ok, so he plays LT?
"You are never going to build a team where every position player plays at a level considered average. There will be weaknesses."
Uhh, what?
yes, he does.
Do you have a question or an argument instead of a statement?
*Who. Pardon me. I meant WHO plays LT?
Plays? I dont know, I dont think his job as a LT is etched in stone as Richburg's is as C.
Flowers PLAYED LT. Because we have a new coaching regime, it remains to be seen if he PLAYS LT.
What I do know is that Flowers led the league in allowing QB pressures (75) as a LT. He had the worst pass blocking grade, and overall lowest graded OT by PFF.
So people who say that we need a "RT" are either short sighted or plain wrong, what the team needs is a LT which would allow Flowers to play his natural position all along.
https://twitter.com/pff/status/684108847133364228
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/04/pro-worst-players-at-every-position-in-week-17/
You make zero sense. You said we don't need a starting RT (just another JAG) and then you go ahead and say that we have guys who can start and be below average? Is that what you want? You want a RT who is below average? You don't want a starting RT that is average or, God forbid, above average?
I think the OP is right and the criticism cited above is wrong and just trying to "not understand". Newsome is better than our second WR and probably better (at his position) than anyone we have at FS. The posters point is that all teams have positions where you get by with less than good players Not that you wouldn't upgrade that position if you have the chance. See Torbor, Blackburn, james Butler, Wilson, Madison, Grant, Paysinger etc.all below average players that we won superbowls with.
The poster quoted above seems more interested in attracting attention with a vitriolic misrepresentation of a well-drawn point.
Yes, and I believe you mean Newhouse.
Is Davis good enough to replace Randle?
Are any of the FS worthy of starting?
Can we find someone better then Newhouse?
Do we have enough corners?
Do we have 2 way TE?
Who plays DE if JPP leaves?
Do we have a down 3 Lber?
Do we have anyone who can cover TEs?
Answer these questions in order of risk?
2. MLB - quarterback of the defense
3. Free safety
4. Wide receiver
1. RT
2. WR - #2
3. CB - #3
4. FS
5. OLB
6. RG
7. TE
8. MLB
9. DT - #3
10. CB - #4
OL
WR
CB
FS