a terrible job of hiding it. His name has been the popular pick since the combine. Maybe someone hops them for Floyd and a guy with a higher grade drops?
Not so sure Stanley's likely to be selected before
you've been crushing the Giants coverage the past couple years (especially the draft!) and much appreciated.
A couple questions if you dont mind responding.
1. It seems it will come down to Floyd or Hargreaves barring some surprise players dropping. Who do you think the Giants would pick if BOTH are there at 10?
2. Every team will have their take on Jack's knee, any idea how the Giants currently feel? Off the board? Would run to take him at 10? Would take him, but not at 10?
Thank you!
RE: If Floyd is the pick then the Giants are doing
a terrible job of hiding it. His name has been the popular pick since the combine. Maybe someone hops them for Floyd and a guy with a higher grade drops?
Same with JPP. It was known weeks in advance that he's the one they were eyeing.
a terrible job of hiding it. His name has been the popular pick since the combine. Maybe someone hops them for Floyd and a guy with a higher grade drops?
Same with JPP. It was known weeks in advance that he's the one they were eyeing.
This regime does a pretty bad job of keeping secrets. Flowers was leaked pretty early as well. If I remember right, the Beckham pick came out around draft day, but weren't teams trying to move up for him?
(at season's start) is stupid. However,mgiven the state of how the NFL now works, he'll most likely be gone after his 5 year stint here at age 29..Thus, go for it if you feel he's gonna be a difference-maker..
I need to see if there is any strength there. I know bench press means shit, but when a LB keeps avoiding it I become scared.
To me the bench press is really more of a show of work ethic than anything. Anyone player, regardless of size and body type should be putting in time at the gym as part of their program. When a scrawny light guy doesn't lift at all for scouts to me it is worse than him benching 6 times.
No one would expect Floyd to be putting up 15-25 reps IMO. But there should be an expectation that he can actually do a small set of 225.
A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).
RE: As I've said many times in the past, drafting a 24 year-old
(at season's start) is stupid. However,mgiven the state of how the NFL now works, he'll most likely be gone after his 5 year stint here at age 29..Thus, go for it if you feel he's gonna be a difference-maker..
As a 24 year old he's more likely to contribute early than a 20 year old who could take a couple of years to develop. As you say, would you rather have a player from age 24-29 or a player from 20-25 knowing you will lose him at the end of 5 years??
Hargreaves will 100% be gone before #10. And the Bucs will prefer Hargreaves to Floyd.
The only hope realistically left for us Floyd doubters is that Hargreaves is gone before Tampa picks at #9 and the Bucs then take Floyd. In general, I like the Giants' "Plan C" possibilities as presented.
The professional media who watched the SEC games did not consider Floyd worthy of even 2nd team all-conference status. He may well have "done it all" but he didn't do anything all that well.
i think people are making to much of his age, he is 24...so what? he will be 29 by the time he leaves the giants lol
i am perfectly fine with his age as its a typical 2 year difference from a normal senior
Of Floyd being the pick is that apparently Giants know what his position should be and don't think like some of the mouth breathers on this board who would have him playing SAM for one dumb ass reason or another.
a 24 y.o. at the seasons kickoff seems a little contrary. I think he is a JR fav pick; thus the unofficial talkup.
Wiki says he committed to UGa in 4/11, a true frosh in '13; JUCO? Injury?
Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.
A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).
You forget that every Floyd supporter is counting on Obi-Wan Spagnobi to teach him the ways of The Force.
A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).
Jon I'm not seeing Floyd avoiding contact. He's not going to set the edge consistently or win every battle at the point of attack - but he's not that type of player. He's a space LB with the ability to rush the passer on every down (in my opinion).
he doesnt avoid contact and doesnt give up on plays. He looked aggressive trying to take on blocks. I saw on you tube some guy Voch Lombardi do pretty detailed breakdown of first round picks. Floyd and Jack looked excellent with whatever film coverage he had. Floyd, Jack and Smith (before injury), are rare backers that can do just about everything. Rush, play inside a bit and cover downfield. I wont cry if hes the pick. Btw, His burst off the line may be best in the draft.
on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.
don't see Floyd as this boom or bust type player. His production at Georgia was solid considering what they asked of him. It's not like we are taking this athletic specimen who didn't produce - then I'd be more concerned about the bust factor.
insomuch as it's given him advantage in college. It seems to me that you have to downgrade his performances (that are based more on potential than achievements anyway) relative to the "boys" he was playing against.
insomuch as it's given him advantage in college. It seems to me that you have to downgrade his performances (that are based more on potential than achievements anyway) relative to the "boys" he was playing against.
on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.
Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.
two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.
And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.
A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).
Jon I'm not seeing Floyd avoiding contact. He's not going to set the edge consistently or win every battle at the point of attack - but he's not that type of player. He's a space LB with the ability to rush the passer on every down (in my opinion).
That's great until the opposition gameplans to isolate him. A LB needs to be willing and able to be destructive at this level, needs to set the edge, shed blockers, create a presence to force the team to the other edge of the defense.
His first step and closing burst are impressive, but if he's playing DE he needs to be able to set the edge, shed OTs on a repeated basis. It's not going to be easy to keep him clean at this level.
on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.
You're the king of asshats. Saw you break the Atkinson hire on netsdaily.
a 24 y.o. at the seasons kickoff seems a little contrary. I think he is a JR fav pick; thus the unofficial talkup.
Wiki says he committed to UGa in 4/11, a true frosh in '13; JUCO? Injury?
He's three years "older" than a typical college junior with a September birthday would be and that breaks down as follows:
1 He was already a year "old" as a high school senior, turning 18 in September of his final year (2010).
2. He played for one year (2011) at Hargrave Military Academy, a typical landing spot for southeast football players who need to get their grades up. Kevin Dodd and Jarron Reed are a couple of other players in this class who did the same.
3. He was originally a 2012 UGA commit but he appears to have that year also at Hargrave with "post grad" status. Whether he still needed work on his academics or there was some other reason, not sure.
Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.
two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.
And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.
Two full seasons of prime years means nothing when you've only been in the league for 4-5. It's not like his body will be so worn from playing in the NFL for so long. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
I hope somebody removes that decision for the Giants.
Don't like Buckner either for Giants.
Treadwell shouldn't be on that list.
Best way to fix the D is with the pass rush and vesatility Floyd will bring. He's going to be the pick (Unless they finally catch on to the power of Corey Coleman!)
I think your projection of Floyd's skillset at the NFL level is optimistic.
He can run, great first step, closing burst, plays with relentless hustle. But, he lacks the physicality the pro game requires, and I agree with the report last week where he seems to lack a position(s) in a 4-3.
A better question is when was the last time an NYG DC effectively deployed an OLB.
Floyd doesn't fit the mold of your prototypical 4-3 OLB that the Giants have traditionally gone after. But it's really time to give up that line of thinking - especially with today's NFL that ask LBers to do multiple things (cover, rush the passer, and not just stop the run or somebody out of the backfield).
Beckham wasn't your prototypical #1 WR - he's 5'11 and weighs 190 soaking wet. But you put him all over the field and see what he can do when he's unleashed in space.
Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.
two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.
And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.
Two full seasons of prime years means nothing when you've only been in the league for 4-5. It's not like his body will be so worn from playing in the NFL for so long. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
It's not like he's going to play until he's 38 because he got to the league a bit older and doesn't have the wear and tear. The last old rookie we drafted high broke down at just the same time everybody else does. Age 30.
to be picking #10, but I'd pick Nkemdiche if his brain checks out. You want a physical, versatile, destructive athlete? There he is, and a premium DL, to boot.
My guess is the edge rusher is gone and they fall back on Conklin.
Next iteration in the almost-daily "I don't see it" article on Floyd, this one by White, who played 7 years at DE in NFL.
Whited really does try to give Floyd credit but ultimately he can't, much. And his head explodes when Floyd jumps wide and out of the way of a pulling guard. Link - ( New Window )
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
3rd down and 8, Dallas driving down by 4 and you're Tony Romo assuming your collar bone isn't in 9 pieces. You see JPP on one side and Olivier Vernon on the other with Damon Harrison at DT along side say Jay Bromley (just to be fair) as the 3 technique. You see Jenkins on one side, DRC on the other and a 6-6 245 lb thing in the middle of the defense. Is he going to blitz the A gap? Is he going to run a stunt with a mammoth DT who can occupy lanes on a delayed blitz? Could he be dropping into coverage to erase your favorite toy in Jason Witten? Even if he stands there, your passing lane is clogged by a long armed athlete who can knock down the pass or force you to throw over him or around him.
Maybe he lines up next to Harrison flexed off the line the way Spags would deploy Kiwi and Tuck on 3rd downs and he creates the same doubt for a QB. His explosion makes him a sack threat off the edge and an effective short area coverage option in an area the Giants get eaten alive in. Imagine adding the true Elephant type LB that can wreak havoc without having a dyed in the wool "role". Guys like Charles Haley, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Tim Harrison and yes, LT. They are weapons to be deployed, not liabilities to be exposed if you have a DC willing to tinker and maximize talent and we have that. Too much hand wringing that Floyd doesn't "fit a role" in a 4-3 or a 3-4. Who says he's a 50 snap a game guy? Maybe he's a nickel LB and extra rush end, maybe he's the flex in a base 50 (oklahoma, bear, whatever you want to call it) who can charge off the edge and hold up against backs and TEs on the edge vs the run. You guys are all too worried about what fits where instead of what kind of havoc a somewhat unique player could bring to this defense? This is a matchup league, and Floyd could play a lot of roles that would benefit this defense. I for one would be happy and excited to see how he's used rather than whine about him not being a true DE or LB in this system. You make plays for a guy like him, you create formations for him you don't sit on your hands and cry that he's not a 4-3 DE or SAM.
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
I'm not on board with Floyd, but if he's the pick, the reasons I stated above are probably why. He has a skill set that can get him to the QB, which is the premium one to have now in the NFL. I'd go Conklin because I'm an OL first guy but given the comments from Mara, this has to be an immediate play maker type of pick and Floyd CAN be that. He can also be a huge bust but this is a swing for the fences draft and Reese knows it.
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
You have been nailing it lately. Here is a toast to the donut defense. Oh and way back when the Giant D-Line was working in favorable match-ups against teams with inferior o-lines like Dallas had. That is conveniently forgotten.
As for the player, I always ask this question: if the guy is so damn good, why did his unit choke in all of their big games? Like Bruckner at Oregon. Georgia gets lambasted in every key game they play. At a lower level of football. It is a formula that has been very kind to me over the years in evaluating talent.
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
Got it. So when the defense plays extremely well most of the season - and arguably the best defensive performance in Giants history - Spagnuolo gets zero credit. Oh, and he doesn't get any credit for those game plans either.
BUT...wait for it...when the defense plays horribly - we're going to put 100% of the blame on him.
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
Got it. So when the defense plays extremely well most of the season - and arguably the best defensive performance in Giants history - Spagnuolo gets zero credit. Oh, and he doesn't get any credit for those game plans either.
BUT...wait for it...when the defense plays horribly - we're going to put 100% of the blame on him.
You are a gem, my friend.
His track record has shown him to be less than mediocre. I wouldn't expect the Giants to have a great defense with the talent there, but if he's a great coach, with great schemes, could he have not got them to mediocre to bad instead of horrid?
I've amended my philosophy...the only player with a realistic chance to be there that I would stay at #10 for is Hargreaves. Anyone other scenario and I'm actively looking to trade down as far as #18.
I think your projection of Floyd's skillset at the NFL level is optimistic.
He can run, great first step, closing burst, plays with relentless hustle. But, he lacks the physicality the pro game requires, and I agree with the report last week where he seems to lack a position(s) in a 4-3.
A better question is when was the last time an NYG DC effectively deployed an OLB.
This.
Floyd would be a Maybin-esque bust if Reese takes him at 10.
For those that remember the Bryan Kehl thread on BBI where Kehl posted, Spags doesn't like LBs who run around/avoid blockers. Spags wants guys who can shed and set the edge.
But a couple random things I feel the need to comment on. Nkemdiche should probably be off our board, I'm not a shrink but the guy seems clinical. There really is no way of knowing that his brain will check out before we draft him but based on everything that's out there. The guy has a huge bust factor based strictly on the mental thing. Even if he's just "eccentric", are these the types that excel in the league?
Also, any talk of Floyds age being a mitigating factor in drafting him is either grasping at straws or overanalyzing. Who was our last first round pick that we even extended? F'n Kiwanuka...we don't exactly have a stellar track record there. Even entertaining the idea that it's an issue, he's 29 after his option year, easily signable. So the guy is too old to make it to his 3rd contract? We should be so lucky. For the record, not even a big Floyd guy, just don't understand that argument.
in the example you provided, I would imagine Dallas still goes after him because the rules favor the receivers nowadays and Floyd is likely to get flagged.
Again, he's the easiest bust to predict in recent memory but people are deluding themselves based on workout numbers and not how he actually plays.
in the example you provided, I would imagine Dallas still goes after him because the rules favor the receivers nowadays and Floyd is likely to get flagged.
Again, he's the easiest bust to predict in recent memory but people are deluding themselves based on workout numbers and not how he actually plays.
It's amazing...with all of your knowledge that you are not running the draft for an NFL team instead of being a know nothing clown on a message board.
And I'm a bi4 surprised they see Floyd as a WILL instead of a SAM.
Hargreaves measured 5-10 at the combine.
A couple questions if you dont mind responding.
1. It seems it will come down to Floyd or Hargreaves barring some surprise players dropping. Who do you think the Giants would pick if BOTH are there at 10?
2. Every team will have their take on Jack's knee, any idea how the Giants currently feel? Off the board? Would run to take him at 10? Would take him, but not at 10?
Thank you!
Same with JPP. It was known weeks in advance that he's the one they were eyeing.
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a terrible job of hiding it. His name has been the popular pick since the combine. Maybe someone hops them for Floyd and a guy with a higher grade drops?
Same with JPP. It was known weeks in advance that he's the one they were eyeing.
This regime does a pretty bad job of keeping secrets. Flowers was leaked pretty early as well. If I remember right, the Beckham pick came out around draft day, but weren't teams trying to move up for him?
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Well, perhaps he agrees with you in that it means shit..
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I need to see if there is any strength there. I know bench press means shit, but when a LB keeps avoiding it I become scared.
Well, perhaps he agrees with you in that it means shit..
You say that now, but will you be saying it in August when he's riding a bike?
To me the bench press is really more of a show of work ethic than anything. Anyone player, regardless of size and body type should be putting in time at the gym as part of their program. When a scrawny light guy doesn't lift at all for scouts to me it is worse than him benching 6 times.
No one would expect Floyd to be putting up 15-25 reps IMO. But there should be an expectation that he can actually do a small set of 225.
As a 24 year old he's more likely to contribute early than a 20 year old who could take a couple of years to develop. As you say, would you rather have a player from age 24-29 or a player from 20-25 knowing you will lose him at the end of 5 years??
Hargreaves will 100% be gone before #10. And the Bucs will prefer Hargreaves to Floyd.
The only hope realistically left for us Floyd doubters is that Hargreaves is gone before Tampa picks at #9 and the Bucs then take Floyd. In general, I like the Giants' "Plan C" possibilities as presented.
The professional media who watched the SEC games did not consider Floyd worthy of even 2nd team all-conference status. He may well have "done it all" but he didn't do anything all that well.
i am perfectly fine with his age as its a typical 2 year difference from a normal senior
Wiki says he committed to UGa in 4/11, a true frosh in '13; JUCO? Injury?
You forget that every Floyd supporter is counting on Obi-Wan Spagnobi to teach him the ways of The Force.
Jon I'm not seeing Floyd avoiding contact. He's not going to set the edge consistently or win every battle at the point of attack - but he's not that type of player. He's a space LB with the ability to rush the passer on every down (in my opinion).
on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.
No No No and no to Hargreaves too.
No No No and no to Hargreaves too.
on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.
Exactly.
two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.
And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.
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A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).
Jon I'm not seeing Floyd avoiding contact. He's not going to set the edge consistently or win every battle at the point of attack - but he's not that type of player. He's a space LB with the ability to rush the passer on every down (in my opinion).
That's great until the opposition gameplans to isolate him. A LB needs to be willing and able to be destructive at this level, needs to set the edge, shed blockers, create a presence to force the team to the other edge of the defense.
His first step and closing burst are impressive, but if he's playing DE he needs to be able to set the edge, shed OTs on a repeated basis. It's not going to be easy to keep him clean at this level.
on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.
You're the king of asshats. Saw you break the Atkinson hire on netsdaily.
Wiki says he committed to UGa in 4/11, a true frosh in '13; JUCO? Injury?
He's three years "older" than a typical college junior with a September birthday would be and that breaks down as follows:
1 He was already a year "old" as a high school senior, turning 18 in September of his final year (2010).
2. He played for one year (2011) at Hargrave Military Academy, a typical landing spot for southeast football players who need to get their grades up. Kevin Dodd and Jarron Reed are a couple of other players in this class who did the same.
3. He was originally a 2012 UGA commit but he appears to have that year also at Hargrave with "post grad" status. Whether he still needed work on his academics or there was some other reason, not sure.
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Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.
two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.
And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.
Two full seasons of prime years means nothing when you've only been in the league for 4-5. It's not like his body will be so worn from playing in the NFL for so long. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
That's an empty Kiper-ism, frankly.
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on the field. Floyd would immediately be the best athlete on the field for our defense - think about that. (maybe other than DRC)
That's an empty Kiper-ism, frankly.
Why? When's the last time we had a LB who can do the things that Floyd can do from the edge?
Don't like Buckner either for Giants.
Treadwell shouldn't be on that list.
Best way to fix the D is with the pass rush and vesatility Floyd will bring. He's going to be the pick (Unless they finally catch on to the power of Corey Coleman!)
He can run, great first step, closing burst, plays with relentless hustle. But, he lacks the physicality the pro game requires, and I agree with the report last week where he seems to lack a position(s) in a 4-3.
A better question is when was the last time an NYG DC effectively deployed an OLB.
Beckham wasn't your prototypical #1 WR - he's 5'11 and weighs 190 soaking wet. But you put him all over the field and see what he can do when he's unleashed in space.
Floyd won't just sit in one spot the whole game.
But if he's the pick I'll be excited to see him coming off the edge with the DL we currently have.
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on the field. Floyd would immediately be the best athlete on the field for our defense - think about that. (maybe other than DRC)
That's an empty Kiper-ism, frankly.
Too bad the Bengals re-signed Taylor Mays. He would've been the best athlete on the field for our defense, too.
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Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.
two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.
And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.
Two full seasons of prime years means nothing when you've only been in the league for 4-5. It's not like his body will be so worn from playing in the NFL for so long. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
It's not like he's going to play until he's 38 because he got to the league a bit older and doesn't have the wear and tear. The last old rookie we drafted high broke down at just the same time everybody else does. Age 30.
My guess is the edge rusher is gone and they fall back on Conklin.
My guess is the edge rusher is gone and they fall back on Conklin.
Edge rusher as in Floyd?
Whited really does try to give Floyd credit but ultimately he can't, much. And his head explodes when Floyd jumps wide and out of the way of a pulling guard.
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Maybe he lines up next to Harrison flexed off the line the way Spags would deploy Kiwi and Tuck on 3rd downs and he creates the same doubt for a QB. His explosion makes him a sack threat off the edge and an effective short area coverage option in an area the Giants get eaten alive in. Imagine adding the true Elephant type LB that can wreak havoc without having a dyed in the wool "role". Guys like Charles Haley, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Tim Harrison and yes, LT. They are weapons to be deployed, not liabilities to be exposed if you have a DC willing to tinker and maximize talent and we have that. Too much hand wringing that Floyd doesn't "fit a role" in a 4-3 or a 3-4. Who says he's a 50 snap a game guy? Maybe he's a nickel LB and extra rush end, maybe he's the flex in a base 50 (oklahoma, bear, whatever you want to call it) who can charge off the edge and hold up against backs and TEs on the edge vs the run. You guys are all too worried about what fits where instead of what kind of havoc a somewhat unique player could bring to this defense? This is a matchup league, and Floyd could play a lot of roles that would benefit this defense. I for one would be happy and excited to see how he's used rather than whine about him not being a true DE or LB in this system. You make plays for a guy like him, you create formations for him you don't sit on your hands and cry that he's not a 4-3 DE or SAM.
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Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Giants win! Giants win! Giants win!
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
You have been nailing it lately. Here is a toast to the donut defense. Oh and way back when the Giant D-Line was working in favorable match-ups against teams with inferior o-lines like Dallas had. That is conveniently forgotten.
As for the player, I always ask this question: if the guy is so damn good, why did his unit choke in all of their big games? Like Bruckner at Oregon. Georgia gets lambasted in every key game they play. At a lower level of football. It is a formula that has been very kind to me over the years in evaluating talent.
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
Got it. So when the defense plays extremely well most of the season - and arguably the best defensive performance in Giants history - Spagnuolo gets zero credit. Oh, and he doesn't get any credit for those game plans either.
BUT...wait for it...when the defense plays horribly - we're going to put 100% of the blame on him.
You are a gem, my friend.
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.
Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
Got it. So when the defense plays extremely well most of the season - and arguably the best defensive performance in Giants history - Spagnuolo gets zero credit. Oh, and he doesn't get any credit for those game plans either.
BUT...wait for it...when the defense plays horribly - we're going to put 100% of the blame on him.
You are a gem, my friend.
His track record has shown him to be less than mediocre. I wouldn't expect the Giants to have a great defense with the talent there, but if he's a great coach, with great schemes, could he have not got them to mediocre to bad instead of horrid?
Bingo. But hotdogs says no..so it's his word
1) Jack
2) Floyd
3) Conklin
4) Hargreaves
5) Treadwell
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100) Nkemdiche
well said!!!
"anybody that eloquent needs to be saved!" - Gen Patton responding to Gen McAuliffe's "Nuts" answer to a surrender demand
I've amended my philosophy...the only player with a realistic chance to be there that I would stay at #10 for is Hargreaves. Anyone other scenario and I'm actively looking to trade down as far as #18.
Hargreaves
Conklin
Stanley
Decker
He can run, great first step, closing burst, plays with relentless hustle. But, he lacks the physicality the pro game requires, and I agree with the report last week where he seems to lack a position(s) in a 4-3.
A better question is when was the last time an NYG DC effectively deployed an OLB.
This.
Floyd would be a Maybin-esque bust if Reese takes him at 10.
Floyd doesn't fit based on his style of play.
I hate the word "athlete". I don't know much about Floyd, but let's hope we draft football players and not "Athletes"
Also, any talk of Floyds age being a mitigating factor in drafting him is either grasping at straws or overanalyzing. Who was our last first round pick that we even extended? F'n Kiwanuka...we don't exactly have a stellar track record there. Even entertaining the idea that it's an issue, he's 29 after his option year, easily signable. So the guy is too old to make it to his 3rd contract? We should be so lucky. For the record, not even a big Floyd guy, just don't understand that argument.
Again, he's the easiest bust to predict in recent memory but people are deluding themselves based on workout numbers and not how he actually plays.
Again, he's the easiest bust to predict in recent memory but people are deluding themselves based on workout numbers and not how he actually plays.
It's amazing...with all of your knowledge that you are not running the draft for an NFL team instead of being a know nothing clown on a message board.
I agree with this. Get Jack or an OT.