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Raanan's 10 most likely draft picks

JordanRaanan : 4/19/2016 1:07 pm
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Haha  
shocktheworld : 4/19/2016 1:08 pm : link
you're the man J
If Floyd is the pick then the Giants are doing  
aimrocky : 4/19/2016 1:10 pm : link
a terrible job of hiding it. His name has been the popular pick since the combine. Maybe someone hops them for Floyd and a guy with a higher grade drops?
Not so sure Stanley's likely to be selected before  
jeff57 : 4/19/2016 1:11 pm : link
He may be, but it's far from guaranteed.

And I'm a bi4 surprised they see Floyd as a WILL instead of a SAM.

Hargreaves measured 5-10 at the combine.
Glad the Giants see Floyd as a weakside linebacker  
Patrick77 : 4/19/2016 1:11 pm : link
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Thanks Jordan  
Brandon Walsh : 4/19/2016 1:12 pm : link
you've been crushing the Giants coverage the past couple years (especially the draft!) and much appreciated.

A couple questions if you dont mind responding.

1. It seems it will come down to Floyd or Hargreaves barring some surprise players dropping. Who do you think the Giants would pick if BOTH are there at 10?

2. Every team will have their take on Jack's knee, any idea how the Giants currently feel? Off the board? Would run to take him at 10? Would take him, but not at 10?

Thank you!
RE: If Floyd is the pick then the Giants are doing  
jeff57 : 4/19/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 12909719 aimrocky said:
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a terrible job of hiding it. His name has been the popular pick since the combine. Maybe someone hops them for Floyd and a guy with a higher grade drops?

Same with JPP. It was known weeks in advance that he's the one they were eyeing.
10?  
Gman11 : 4/19/2016 1:15 pm : link
Nothing like going out on a limb
If some of those names are on there over Stanley,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/19/2016 1:15 pm : link
I guess they really aren't interested.
RE: RE: If Floyd is the pick then the Giants are doing  
aimrocky : 4/19/2016 1:15 pm : link
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a terrible job of hiding it. His name has been the popular pick since the combine. Maybe someone hops them for Floyd and a guy with a higher grade drops?


Same with JPP. It was known weeks in advance that he's the one they were eyeing.


This regime does a pretty bad job of keeping secrets. Flowers was leaked pretty early as well. If I remember right, the Beckham pick came out around draft day, but weren't teams trying to move up for him?
Thanks Jordan  
Rjanyg : 4/19/2016 1:17 pm : link
Floyd is the pick for me. Just please let him get a number in the 50's. Take Thomas' number 55.
Well if that's the pick  
arniefez : 4/19/2016 1:20 pm : link
I hope he can have some year one impact. I'd rather have the MSU RT.
As I've said many times in the past, drafting a 24 year-old  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2016 1:20 pm : link
(at season's start) is stupid. However,mgiven the state of how the NFL now works, he'll most likely be gone after his 5 year stint here at age 29..Thus, go for it if you feel he's gonna be a difference-maker..
If all 3 are there, my preference would be:  
LI NHB : 4/19/2016 1:23 pm : link
1. M. Jack
2. VH3
3. L. Floyd
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BigBlue1092 : 4/19/2016 1:24 pm : link
Agreed
Will Floyd play the Giants WLB  
Ivan15 : 4/19/2016 1:26 pm : link
or the WLB as designated by the rest of the league?
That top 10 list  
mrvax : 4/19/2016 1:29 pm : link
looks pretty accurate to me.
Sorry  
Carl in CT : 4/19/2016 1:35 pm : link
I need to see if there is any strength there. I know bench press means shit, but when a LB keeps avoiding it I become scared.
RE: Sorry  
Big Blue '56 : 4/19/2016 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12909782 Carl in CT said:
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I need to see if there is any strength there. I know bench press means shit, but when a LB keeps avoiding it I become scared.


Well, perhaps he agrees with you in that it means shit..
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Klaatu : 4/19/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12909785 Big Blue '56 said:
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I need to see if there is any strength there. I know bench press means shit, but when a LB keeps avoiding it I become scared.



Well, perhaps he agrees with you in that it means shit..


You say that now, but will you be saying it in August when he's riding a bike?
He can't be that strong. He looks really lean. Lance Zierling's report  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2016 1:38 pm : link
says he doesn't have much pop.
RE: Sorry  
Patrick77 : 4/19/2016 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12909782 Carl in CT said:
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I need to see if there is any strength there. I know bench press means shit, but when a LB keeps avoiding it I become scared.


To me the bench press is really more of a show of work ethic than anything. Anyone player, regardless of size and body type should be putting in time at the gym as part of their program. When a scrawny light guy doesn't lift at all for scouts to me it is worse than him benching 6 times.

No one would expect Floyd to be putting up 15-25 reps IMO. But there should be an expectation that he can actually do a small set of 225.
Scary pick in Floyd  
JonC : 4/19/2016 1:43 pm : link
A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).
RE: As I've said many times in the past, drafting a 24 year-old  
Stan in LA : 4/19/2016 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12909747 Big Blue '56 said:
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(at season's start) is stupid. However,mgiven the state of how the NFL now works, he'll most likely be gone after his 5 year stint here at age 29..Thus, go for it if you feel he's gonna be a difference-maker..

As a 24 year old he's more likely to contribute early than a 20 year old who could take a couple of years to develop. As you say, would you rather have a player from age 24-29 or a player from 20-25 knowing you will lose him at the end of 5 years??
Raanan's 10 most likely draft picks  
shyster : 4/19/2016 1:45 pm : link
Very informative, thank you.

Hargreaves will 100% be gone before #10. And the Bucs will prefer Hargreaves to Floyd.

The only hope realistically left for us Floyd doubters is that Hargreaves is gone before Tampa picks at #9 and the Bucs then take Floyd. In general, I like the Giants' "Plan C" possibilities as presented.

The professional media who watched the SEC games did not consider Floyd worthy of even 2nd team all-conference status. He may well have "done it all" but he didn't do anything all that well.
RE: Age  
Gmen108021 : 4/19/2016 1:46 pm : link
i think people are making to much of his age, he is 24...so what? he will be 29 by the time he leaves the giants lol
i am perfectly fine with his age as its a typical 2 year difference from a normal senior
Only positive from the reinforcement  
chopperhatch : 4/19/2016 1:48 pm : link
Of Floyd being the pick is that apparently Giants know what his position should be and don't think like some of the mouth breathers on this board who would have him playing SAM for one dumb ass reason or another.
Given the move to youth  
old man : 4/19/2016 1:54 pm : link
a 24 y.o. at the seasons kickoff seems a little contrary. I think he is a JR fav pick; thus the unofficial talkup.
Wiki says he committed to UGa in 4/11, a true frosh in '13; JUCO? Injury?
Can we please stop talking about  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 1:55 pm : link
Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.
RE: Scary pick in Floyd  
Klaatu : 4/19/2016 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12909800 JonC said:
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A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).


You forget that every Floyd supporter is counting on Obi-Wan Spagnobi to teach him the ways of The Force.
RE: Scary pick in Floyd  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:01 pm : link
In comment 12909800 JonC said:
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A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).

Jon I'm not seeing Floyd avoiding contact. He's not going to set the edge consistently or win every battle at the point of attack - but he's not that type of player. He's a space LB with the ability to rush the passer on every down (in my opinion).
tape ive seen on floyd  
gm7b5 : 4/19/2016 2:04 pm : link
he doesnt avoid contact and doesnt give up on plays. He looked aggressive trying to take on blocks. I saw on you tube some guy Voch Lombardi do pretty detailed breakdown of first round picks. Floyd and Jack looked excellent with whatever film coverage he had. Floyd, Jack and Smith (before injury), are rare backers that can do just about everything. Rush, play inside a bit and cover downfield. I wont cry if hes the pick. Btw, His burst off the line may be best in the draft.
interesting on jack  
hitdog42 : 4/19/2016 2:04 pm : link
I haven't heard his name yet-

on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.
I also  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:04 pm : link
don't see Floyd as this boom or bust type player. His production at Georgia was solid considering what they asked of him. It's not like we are taking this athletic specimen who didn't produce - then I'd be more concerned about the bust factor.
Age is relative  
grizz299 : 4/19/2016 2:05 pm : link
insomuch as it's given him advantage in college. It seems to me that you have to downgrade his performances (that are based more on potential than achievements anyway) relative to the "boys" he was playing against.

No No No and no to Hargreaves too.
Age is relative  
grizz299 : 4/19/2016 2:05 pm : link
insomuch as it's given him advantage in college. It seems to me that you have to downgrade his performances (that are based more on potential than achievements anyway) relative to the "boys" he was playing against.

No No No and no to Hargreaves too.
RE: interesting on jack  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:05 pm : link
In comment 12909838 hitdog42 said:
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on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.

Exactly.
RE: Can we please stop talking about  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12909823 ryanmkeane said:
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Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.


two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.

And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.
Put playmakers  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:07 pm : link
on the field. Floyd would immediately be the best athlete on the field for our defense - think about that. (maybe other than DRC)
RE: RE: Scary pick in Floyd  
JonC : 4/19/2016 2:08 pm : link
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A finesse LB who avoids contact, has yet to determine a position in a 4-3 (in a scheme that already de-emphasizes and doesn't seem to know how to use an OLB effectively).


Jon I'm not seeing Floyd avoiding contact. He's not going to set the edge consistently or win every battle at the point of attack - but he's not that type of player. He's a space LB with the ability to rush the passer on every down (in my opinion).


That's great until the opposition gameplans to isolate him. A LB needs to be willing and able to be destructive at this level, needs to set the edge, shed blockers, create a presence to force the team to the other edge of the defense.

His first step and closing burst are impressive, but if he's playing DE he needs to be able to set the edge, shed OTs on a repeated basis. It's not going to be easy to keep him clean at this level.
RE: interesting on jack  
Old Dirty Beckham : 4/19/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12909838 hitdog42 said:
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I haven't heard his name yet-

on Floyd I feel like much of peoples paranoia is based on prior experience with linebackers. the giants talent with snacks is set up much more for a variety of hybrid defenses and it feels like Floyd would be used as a play maker... not some square peg/round hole clint sintim.


You're the king of asshats. Saw you break the Atkinson hire on netsdaily.
The "lost" years  
shyster : 4/19/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12909820 old man said:
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a 24 y.o. at the seasons kickoff seems a little contrary. I think he is a JR fav pick; thus the unofficial talkup.
Wiki says he committed to UGa in 4/11, a true frosh in '13; JUCO? Injury?


He's three years "older" than a typical college junior with a September birthday would be and that breaks down as follows:

1 He was already a year "old" as a high school senior, turning 18 in September of his final year (2010).

2. He played for one year (2011) at Hargrave Military Academy, a typical landing spot for southeast football players who need to get their grades up. Kevin Dodd and Jarron Reed are a couple of other players in this class who did the same.

3. He was originally a 2012 UGA commit but he appears to have that year also at Hargrave with "post grad" status. Whether he still needed work on his academics or there was some other reason, not sure.

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ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:08 pm : link
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Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.



two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.

And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.

Two full seasons of prime years means nothing when you've only been in the league for 4-5. It's not like his body will be so worn from playing in the NFL for so long. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
RE: Put playmakers  
JonC : 4/19/2016 2:09 pm : link
In comment 12909846 ryanmkeane said:
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on the field. Floyd would immediately be the best athlete on the field for our defense - think about that. (maybe other than DRC)


That's an empty Kiper-ism, frankly.
RE: RE: Put playmakers  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:11 pm : link
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on the field. Floyd would immediately be the best athlete on the field for our defense - think about that. (maybe other than DRC)



That's an empty Kiper-ism, frankly.

Why? When's the last time we had a LB who can do the things that Floyd can do from the edge?
I don't want the CB  
KWALL2 : 4/19/2016 2:12 pm : link
I hope somebody removes that decision for the Giants.

Don't like Buckner either for Giants.

Treadwell shouldn't be on that list.

Best way to fix the D is with the pass rush and vesatility Floyd will bring. He's going to be the pick (Unless they finally catch on to the power of Corey Coleman!)
This isn't the college level  
JonC : 4/19/2016 2:14 pm : link
I think your projection of Floyd's skillset at the NFL level is optimistic.

He can run, great first step, closing burst, plays with relentless hustle. But, he lacks the physicality the pro game requires, and I agree with the report last week where he seems to lack a position(s) in a 4-3.

A better question is when was the last time an NYG DC effectively deployed an OLB.
I understand that  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:15 pm : link
Floyd doesn't fit the mold of your prototypical 4-3 OLB that the Giants have traditionally gone after. But it's really time to give up that line of thinking - especially with today's NFL that ask LBers to do multiple things (cover, rush the passer, and not just stop the run or somebody out of the backfield).

Beckham wasn't your prototypical #1 WR - he's 5'11 and weighs 190 soaking wet. But you put him all over the field and see what he can do when he's unleashed in space.

Floyd won't just sit in one spot the whole game.
Last post was to ryan  
JonC : 4/19/2016 2:15 pm : link
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Think we're  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:16 pm : link
gonna have to agree to disagree on Floyd..

But if he's the pick I'll be excited to see him coming off the edge with the DL we currently have.
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Klaatu : 4/19/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12909852 JonC said:
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on the field. Floyd would immediately be the best athlete on the field for our defense - think about that. (maybe other than DRC)



That's an empty Kiper-ism, frankly.


Too bad the Bengals re-signed Taylor Mays. He would've been the best athlete on the field for our defense, too.
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:17 pm : link
who is your fave pick at 10?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2016 2:18 pm : link
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Floyd's age? He'll be starting for this team day 1 and he'll be 24. Lots of rookies are 23-24 before they see significant snaps. It makes no difference. If he produces for 4-5 years and we resign him, oh no! He'll be 29 and not 27! Jesus.



two full seasons of what should be his prime years isn't something to dismiss.

And you don't expect top 10 picks to need 2-3 years before they see significant snaps. Not sure where that comes into play.


Two full seasons of prime years means nothing when you've only been in the league for 4-5. It's not like his body will be so worn from playing in the NFL for so long. I'm sure he'll be just fine.


It's not like he's going to play until he's 38 because he got to the league a bit older and doesn't have the wear and tear. The last old rookie we drafted high broke down at just the same time everybody else does. Age 30.
I think it's a shite year  
JonC : 4/19/2016 2:19 pm : link
to be picking #10, but I'd pick Nkemdiche if his brain checks out. You want a physical, versatile, destructive athlete? There he is, and a premium DL, to boot.

My guess is the edge rusher is gone and they fall back on Conklin.

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ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:20 pm : link
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My guess is the edge rusher is gone and they fall back on Conklin.

Edge rusher as in Floyd?
Stephen White weighs in on LF  
shyster : 4/19/2016 2:20 pm : link
Next iteration in the almost-daily "I don't see it" article on Floyd, this one by White, who played 7 years at DE in NFL.

Whited really does try to give Floyd credit but ultimately he can't, much. And his head explodes when Floyd jumps wide and out of the way of a pulling guard.
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Yes  
JonC : 4/19/2016 2:24 pm : link
If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.

Think for one moment  
Joey in VA : 4/19/2016 2:25 pm : link
3rd down and 8, Dallas driving down by 4 and you're Tony Romo assuming your collar bone isn't in 9 pieces. You see JPP on one side and Olivier Vernon on the other with Damon Harrison at DT along side say Jay Bromley (just to be fair) as the 3 technique. You see Jenkins on one side, DRC on the other and a 6-6 245 lb thing in the middle of the defense. Is he going to blitz the A gap? Is he going to run a stunt with a mammoth DT who can occupy lanes on a delayed blitz? Could he be dropping into coverage to erase your favorite toy in Jason Witten? Even if he stands there, your passing lane is clogged by a long armed athlete who can knock down the pass or force you to throw over him or around him.

Maybe he lines up next to Harrison flexed off the line the way Spags would deploy Kiwi and Tuck on 3rd downs and he creates the same doubt for a QB. His explosion makes him a sack threat off the edge and an effective short area coverage option in an area the Giants get eaten alive in. Imagine adding the true Elephant type LB that can wreak havoc without having a dyed in the wool "role". Guys like Charles Haley, Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Tim Harrison and yes, LT. They are weapons to be deployed, not liabilities to be exposed if you have a DC willing to tinker and maximize talent and we have that. Too much hand wringing that Floyd doesn't "fit a role" in a 4-3 or a 3-4. Who says he's a 50 snap a game guy? Maybe he's a nickel LB and extra rush end, maybe he's the flex in a base 50 (oklahoma, bear, whatever you want to call it) who can charge off the edge and hold up against backs and TEs on the edge vs the run. You guys are all too worried about what fits where instead of what kind of havoc a somewhat unique player could bring to this defense? This is a matchup league, and Floyd could play a lot of roles that would benefit this defense. I for one would be happy and excited to see how he's used rather than whine about him not being a true DE or LB in this system. You make plays for a guy like him, you create formations for him you don't sit on your hands and cry that he's not a 4-3 DE or SAM.
I'd imagine  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:25 pm : link
taking Floyd - we wouldn't waste his true gifts as a player. But..maybe we would. Who knows.
Jon Ledyard  
geemanfan : 4/19/2016 2:25 pm : link
Thinks Floyd is a second round pick, Kirwan had him there too until his latest mock had him late first.
This is what you use him for  
Joey in VA : 4/19/2016 2:27 pm : link
Precisely this...
Stunt with DT = sack - ( New Window )
Jordan  
muhajir : 4/19/2016 2:29 pm : link
If jacks knee checks out and both him and floyd were available at 10 who do you think is the pick.
We've had a lot of  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:29 pm : link
good discussion on Floyd here - it'll be hilarious if they pass on him.
Joey  
JonC : 4/19/2016 2:30 pm : link
I get it and it sounds good on paper, but not so sure Floyd is that player on the field when the bullets are flying.

i remain in the no jack camp  
hitdog42 : 4/19/2016 2:30 pm : link
to be clear. no shift to prior board thoughts.
RE: Yes  
Victor in CT : 4/19/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 12909887 JonC said:
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.


Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.
For the record  
Joey in VA : 4/19/2016 2:33 pm : link
I'm not on board with Floyd, but if he's the pick, the reasons I stated above are probably why. He has a skill set that can get him to the QB, which is the premium one to have now in the NFL. I'd go Conklin because I'm an OL first guy but given the comments from Mara, this has to be an immediate play maker type of pick and Floyd CAN be that. He can also be a huge bust but this is a swing for the fences draft and Reese knows it.
If Jack is there  
Joey in VA : 4/19/2016 2:34 pm : link
And we pass I would be supremely disappointed.
RE: RE: Yes  
ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12909914 Victor in CT said:
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.




Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.

Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?
Floyd, zeroing in on Tony Romo...  
Klaatu : 4/19/2016 2:36 pm : link
Oh no! He gets flattened by Ezekiel Elliott! Romo gets the pass of to Witten, but it's intercepted by Justin Simmons, who takes it to the house!

Giants win! Giants win! Giants win!
The giants signed so many LBs  
ANGPASS : 4/19/2016 2:38 pm : link
This offseason. I really hope we get a pass rusher. I would be happy with any of these guys though.
RE: RE: RE: Yes  
Victor in CT : 4/19/2016 2:40 pm : link
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.




Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.


Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?


Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)
If the Giants  
PaulN : 4/19/2016 2:41 pm : link
End up with Floyd, Jack, or Hargreaves, I would be happy.
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RetroJint : 4/19/2016 2:57 pm : link
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.




Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.


Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?



Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)


You have been nailing it lately. Here is a toast to the donut defense. Oh and way back when the Giant D-Line was working in favorable match-ups against teams with inferior o-lines like Dallas had. That is conveniently forgotten.

As for the player, I always ask this question: if the guy is so damn good, why did his unit choke in all of their big games? Like Bruckner at Oregon. Georgia gets lambasted in every key game they play. At a lower level of football. It is a formula that has been very kind to me over the years in evaluating talent.
Good stuff, Jordan  
ColHowPepper : 4/19/2016 3:03 pm : link
thanks for all your in-depth, dedicated coverage. We're going to see soon whether there is anything in those (st....d) suits worn by R&R (not Ranaan).
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ryanmkeane : 4/19/2016 3:03 pm : link
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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.




Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.


Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?



Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)


Got it. So when the defense plays extremely well most of the season - and arguably the best defensive performance in Giants history - Spagnuolo gets zero credit. Oh, and he doesn't get any credit for those game plans either.

BUT...wait for it...when the defense plays horribly - we're going to put 100% of the blame on him.

You are a gem, my friend.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Yes  
Victor in CT : 4/19/2016 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12909991 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 12909887 JonC said:


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If Floyd is the pick, BBI will explode if/when Spags doesn't drastically change how he deploys his OLBs, eg, they don't blitz or play downhill very much on the whole, they are typically read-react and run-first.




Yet another solid reason to pass on Floyd. He doesn't fit the scheme of the "architect" of 2 of the 3 worst defenses in NFL history.


Victor - are you always an insufferable prick? Remember when Spagnuolo had actual talent and basically won us a Super Bowl? That was fun right?



Ahh, a constructive addition to the conversation. If you recall, he had a stable of DL who could not just chase, but pummel QBs, which covered up his donut defense (hole in the middle)



Got it. So when the defense plays extremely well most of the season - and arguably the best defensive performance in Giants history - Spagnuolo gets zero credit. Oh, and he doesn't get any credit for those game plans either.

BUT...wait for it...when the defense plays horribly - we're going to put 100% of the blame on him.

You are a gem, my friend.


His track record has shown him to be less than mediocre. I wouldn't expect the Giants to have a great defense with the talent there, but if he's a great coach, with great schemes, could he have not got them to mediocre to bad instead of horrid?
Good list Jordan  
ZogZerg : 4/19/2016 3:24 pm : link
Thanks for a non-slideshow format.
RE: If Jack is there  
micky : 4/19/2016 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12909918 Joey in VA said:
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And we pass I would be supremely disappointed.


Bingo. But hotdogs says no..so it's his word
Here's how I'd rank  
Modus Operandi : 4/19/2016 4:22 pm : link
My preferences (not what I think NYG board ks):

1) Jack
2) Floyd
3) Conklin
4) Hargreaves
5) Treadwell
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100) Nkemdiche
Get a fuckin football player at 10  
ArcadeSlumlord : 4/19/2016 4:33 pm : link
not a damn measurables wiz. Please and thank you.
RE: Get a fuckin football player at 10  
Victor in CT : 4/19/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12910193 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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not a damn measurables wiz. Please and thank you.


well said!!!

"anybody that eloquent needs to be saved!" - Gen Patton responding to Gen McAuliffe's "Nuts" answer to a surrender demand
If you're going to put Myles Jack on this list...  
Torrag : 4/19/2016 5:09 pm : link
...then man up and pout him #1.

I've amended my philosophy...the only player with a realistic chance to be there that I would stay at #10 for is Hargreaves. Anyone other scenario and I'm actively looking to trade down as far as #18.

Hargreaves

Conklin
Stanley
Decker

before I click on link, top 10??? REAAAALY?  
NYDCBlue : 4/19/2016 5:55 pm : link
We have the 10th pick in the draft.... what did you do, list out the consensus top ten players in reverse order? ;)
RE: This isn't the college level  
JohnVB : 4/19/2016 6:46 pm : link
In comment 12909860 JonC said:
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I think your projection of Floyd's skillset at the NFL level is optimistic.

He can run, great first step, closing burst, plays with relentless hustle. But, he lacks the physicality the pro game requires, and I agree with the report last week where he seems to lack a position(s) in a 4-3.

A better question is when was the last time an NYG DC effectively deployed an OLB.


This.

Floyd would be a Maybin-esque bust if Reese takes him at 10.
Another Point  
JohnVB : 4/19/2016 6:52 pm : link
For those that remember the Bryan Kehl thread on BBI where Kehl posted, Spags doesn't like LBs who run around/avoid blockers. Spags wants guys who can shed and set the edge.

Floyd doesn't fit based on his style of play.
RE: Put playmakers  
shabu : 4/19/2016 7:11 pm : link
In comment 12909846 ryanmkeane said:
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on the field. Floyd would immediately be the best athlete on the field for our defense - think about that. (maybe other than DRC)


I hate the word "athlete". I don't know much about Floyd, but let's hope we draft football players and not "Athletes"
Late to the discussion  
AcesUp : 4/19/2016 11:03 pm : link
But a couple random things I feel the need to comment on. Nkemdiche should probably be off our board, I'm not a shrink but the guy seems clinical. There really is no way of knowing that his brain will check out before we draft him but based on everything that's out there. The guy has a huge bust factor based strictly on the mental thing. Even if he's just "eccentric", are these the types that excel in the league?

Also, any talk of Floyds age being a mitigating factor in drafting him is either grasping at straws or overanalyzing. Who was our last first round pick that we even extended? F'n Kiwanuka...we don't exactly have a stellar track record there. Even entertaining the idea that it's an issue, he's 29 after his option year, easily signable. So the guy is too old to make it to his 3rd contract? We should be so lucky. For the record, not even a big Floyd guy, just don't understand that argument.
And I understand we technically extended JPP  
AcesUp : 4/19/2016 11:07 pm : link
Think the point is clear regardless. Also excuse the terrible sentence structure.
Floyd's a softy Joey  
BigBlueCane : 4/20/2016 5:20 am : link
in the example you provided, I would imagine Dallas still goes after him because the rules favor the receivers nowadays and Floyd is likely to get flagged.

Again, he's the easiest bust to predict in recent memory but people are deluding themselves based on workout numbers and not how he actually plays.
RE: Floyd's a softy Joey  
phillygiant : 4/20/2016 9:15 am : link
In comment 12910995 BigBlueCane said:
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in the example you provided, I would imagine Dallas still goes after him because the rules favor the receivers nowadays and Floyd is likely to get flagged.

Again, he's the easiest bust to predict in recent memory but people are deluding themselves based on workout numbers and not how he actually plays.


It's amazing...with all of your knowledge that you are not running the draft for an NFL team instead of being a know nothing clown on a message board.
RE: Get a fuckin football player at 10  
PatersonPlank : 4/20/2016 11:30 am : link
In comment 12910193 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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not a damn measurables wiz. Please and thank you.


I agree with this. Get Jack or an OT.
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