Go on record Floyd - yea or nay

the Giants were considering him. Then I found out he put on about 15 lbs since the end of the season and still maintained his athletic ability - and I felt better about it.

Not at 10, anyway. Trade down 4 or 5 spots and if he's there, sure.

more athlete than football player. Doesn't have a real position and is already 24. Giants need good football players, not projects.

That I'm a yay? For all the reasons you mentioned above gidie. If I have to go through another year of watching rb and te torch us, I'm going to start breaking things. Floyd, would solve those issues. Time to help the d through the draft.

No

All the way
I say
Can't wait to watch him play
Is this post... dumb?

My only concern is that if he's a OLB in a 43 that he's not given enough opportunities to make plays.

But I endorse him over any RT

I have changed my mind since then... He could be a weapon... We haven't had one of those in a while

...But I'm not gonna pretend to know better than the coaches and scouting department. So you'll get neither a "yea" or "nay" out of me.

I think he is going to be a stud

In comment 12910336 bigblue12 said:

Quote:

more athlete than football player. Doesn't have a real position and is already 24. Giants need good football players, not projects.

He turns 24 in September, that shouldn't be a concern. If he has 7-8 year career (league average I'm guessing tops) then he'll be 31.

He can cover and rush the passer. That’s what we need.

I for one am not going to say 'nay' to taking a kick ass LBer in round 1. Years of ignoring the position and he may be there at 10, I pull the trigger. He may not be a HOF LBer but I'd take him.

He seems to have great abilities but the Giants never draft a linebacker that soon they usually go Cornerback, DL or O-Line.

He looks like a playmaker to me but what do I know.

Another pass rusher to team and complement Vernon and JPP attacking the opposing QB from all directions.

all the posts in this thread.

I say, "Yea" because I see Floyd's floor as a 3rd down pass rush specialist. That's a big need for our Giants. Remember how the D had games the last few years where they could not get off the field? That ends when you draft this 24 year old kid.

He's said himself that his weakness is a lack of ER moves. All he's got right now is the outside speed rush.

I've warmed to the little pick a little bit of late, but I'll still say "Nay" at 10.

I do think he'll be the pick, but I'd prefer to go a little safer.

I've been talking him up a lot on BBI over the past week. It took me a while to warm up to the idea because I don't normally like these tweener types, however:

Watch the tape of him rushing the passer (only 50% of his college snaps - you will forget about his low sack numbers) - He is an absolute menace. There was a SEC game can't remember, where he didn't register a sack and basically took over the game. The QB was running scared half the game and he forced a pick 6. He can also cover and will fly sideline to sideline to make plays. I will not endorse him taking on blocks, but weak-side alignment will hopefully mask some of that.

I just can't help to think on 3rd down when we are up in games (like last year and fell apart)...Floyd Vernon JPP OWA GO GET EM'

I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he is a bust.

I will go on record as a yes.

JPP
Height - 6'5"
Weight- 270lbs
Arms - 34 3/4"
Hands - 10 3/8"
40 yd. - 4.78

Floyd
Height - 6'6"
Weight - 244lbs
Arms- 10 1/8"
40 yd. - 4.60

He's an impressive human and guys like this can make it happen.

Too skinny.
Seems like a situational player. I'd rather have a full time player at #10.

He seems like a guy you take a chance on later in the draft.

he's not plan A by any means, but they could do worse. His pass rush ability is obvious and even if he ultimately ends up just being a 3rd down edge rusher there's tremendous value in that. Out of Ranaan's 10 most likely picks I personally prefer almost all of them (except picking a RB) but if the Giants think this guy is going to be a player I'm not going to "throw the remote" because he shares similarities with previous guys who busted like B. Mingo and D. Jordan.

I want him more then Hargreaves, but I would go Conklin or Stanley before him.

Floyd
Height - 6'6"
Weight - 244lbs
Arms - 33 1/8"
Hands - 10 1/8"
40 yd. - 4.60

my only concern is his age

Through LI NHB

Nineteen Votes

Yea 13
Nay 6


Can't Make Up Their Mind 2

at 9. Supposedly Charlie has inside info.

I like taking risks, and I know the risk is lower for Floyd than say a player coming off an ACL or other bad injury. But I prefer taking risks at the back end of the draft and then hope and pray for a big reward.

The 10 spot in the draft should come away with a damned sure thing (healthy history, size for role, NFL ready, etc) for the next few years and maybe more. If we take Floyd with that high spot and he doesn't pan out in the NFL because of his thin build and no designated position would definitely spell the end of Reese. Not sure he is willing to take any risk right now.

In comment 12910364 Vanzetti said:

Quote:

my only concern is his age

Agreed on this. But given the nature of NFL contracts and the frequency of ultra-young players needing a year or 2 to grow, i've grown to care less about this.

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In comment 12910366 wgenesis123 said:

Quote:

at 9. Supposedly Charlie has inside info.

My biggest fear. Not sure who I would want if that happens

you are not counted as voting if you can't make up your mind

through mavric
21 votes

Yea 14
Nay 7


Wafflers 3

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I'm more of a - trade down to 20 and take him? Sure. Stay at 10? Nah.

I worry about the lack of physicality and tackling ability but love the coverage ability and first step.

24 votes cast

Yea 14
Nay 10


Wafflers 3

I was all about Floyd before the countless topics and repetitive arguments about him. Talk about beating a dead horse.

Im still all for him.

No!

too old and can't tackle, though I do understand that they think they can bring him from all over, he cannot be the inhouse replacement for JPP, if JPP bolts in `17. And any first round passrusher should at least be that.

Which more than likely mean he's not our pick. I'd like to add this little slice of reality. WTF do I know I'm just a fan lol! Go Giants!

28 votes cast

Yea 16
Nay 12


Wafflers 3

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thank you

He could be just what this defense has been missing.

If he'd grown up somewhere else, he might be playing in the NBA, where he belongs.

I just see more value elsewhere for pick 10 ( ol,db,de,other Lber,)

If not one of the stud DT's who probably fell.

Until I see at least 20 reps on the bench.

along with two or three other guys...

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36 votes cast

Yea 18
Nay 18


Wafflers 3

38 votes cast

Yea 19
Nay 19


Wafflers 3

In comment 12910416 gidiefor said:

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38 votes cast Yea 19 Nay 19 Wafflers 3

Damn. Started off 2:1 in favor. Again, I'm glad BBI isn't doing the actual selection.

He belongs in a 3/4

Give me a lineman or Hargreaves.

Love this guy. We need speed.

I agree with JonC. This team has failed too many times with defensive tweener types.

Floyd should be multiple talent -- cover and rush. Grab him.

3-4 guy

He's not a tweener. He's a LB.

The guys that have failed were DL trying to play a position they didn't play. Two completely different things.

He'll be a huge bust if Reese takes him.

I'm hoping for Myles Jack or Ezekiel Elliot.

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46 votes

Yea 22
Nay 24


Wafflers 3

Low risk pick that could also be a HR. Brings to the team the most valuable skill a player can add to a defense. Week 1 impact player.

An easy us for me.

48 votes

Yea 23
Nay 25


Wafflers 3

49 votes

Yea 24
Nay 25


Wafflers 3

as a draft pick for our team


possible player for another? sure, willLB, 3/4 player, who knows, .....safety...

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im okay with the pick as i believe he will be an impact player

Then go WR CB DT FS OT !!!

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Question marks surround his pass rush abilities at the next level... but even his critiques agree he's great in coverage

So his floor will be a great coverage lbr and his ceiling will be great coverage lbr plus great pass rusher. Low risk, high upside

Critics**

We need a pass rush and he may help us there. Fingers crossed on running plays.

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But will he be able to take the pounding without getting hurt ? Will he be able to master the nuances of a new position ? Not for me with the 10 th pick in the draft, A gamble IMO.

But prefer other choice(s)

I don't see the right frame nor the desire to take on point of attack game in NFL. And it will be pointed at him.

I like him but not at #10.

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If Jack, Ramsey, Tunsil are there then I want no part of him.

I don't think there's any bigger risk with him then anybody else.

I can see him being the number 1 target for JR. So YAY.

63 votes

Yea 32
Nay 31


Wafflers 3

Not impressed from the vids I've seen.

but what do I know?

In comment 12910520 Big Rick in FL said:

Quote:

If Jack, Ramsey, Tunsil are there then I want no part of him. I don't think there's any bigger risk with him then anybody else.

Big RIck -- I counted you as a Yea - you can clarify if you wish

65 votes

Yea 32
Nay 33


Wafflers 3

Yeah for sure. I've been on the Floyd bandwagon for a while. Sorry I replied twice.

nay

I called into SiriusXm with Bob Papa today and asked them...
Floyd, Lawson, Dodd or an OT

They loved Floyd, looks like a Giant and covers well. They also said the last time someone was nicnamed the Freak, he turned out well. they like Floyd better than anyone else in that spot, even Hargreaves. which I agree

Dude can fly around the field, which we need.

In my opinion, in 3 years, he'll be among the bigger busts from an otherwise weak 2016 NFL draft. Plus him being 24 come week 1 is a major turnoff for me.

68 votes

Yea 33
Nay 35


Wafflers 3

But I was a big Dion Jordan fan, thought he could be a versatile defender. Shows what I know.

Yea on Floyd - expecting big things if he's the pick!

70 votes

Yea 35
Nay 35


Wafflers 3

Prefer Hargreaves, Elliot or Conklin more

In comment 12910442 Go Terps said:

Quote:

I'm hoping for Myles Jack or Ezekiel Elliot.

+1

Not strong enough. Not productive. Unaware of many players who were a lot better in the pros than college

without a doubt. He will be great from what I hear.

"Old man take a look at my life

24 and there's so much more ...."

He can do multiple things...worst case we draft a more athletic Kiwi

NFL offenses are very pass heavy. Some of The best defenses now have many of these athletic freak tweener types. This guy impacts the passing game bigtime.

...

however I have no horse in the race, I simply understand why the Giants would consider drafting him and I can agree with that assessment.

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Doesn't seem hard-nosed enough to me. Linebackers need to be tough sonsabitches, and Floyd doesn't bring the wood. (From the limited YouTube clips I've seen)

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A LB with explosive Pass rush ability: Check
Team Captain: Check

Sign me up. I don't see many other players that can offer the versatility that he can bring to this very poor defense. He fills numerous holes, we have been abused by opposing teams TE's. A LB that can take that away alone would have me sold, add that he has elite pass rush ability and it isn't even a question you take him.

The thing I like about him is his ability to close. When he gets near the QB, he gets the QB.

Bend and Snap (Romo's clavicle.) What, and he can limit Witten to 12 catches a game? Hell yes.

81 votes

Yea 43
Nay 38


Wafflers 3

83 votes

Yea 45
Nay 38


Wafflers 3

liability against the run, bad leverage against the big boys on the rush

hell for him.

rather jack but okay with him as many have mentioned he fills manys holes including the ability to at least slow TEs something we havent been close to doing in years

Many who point out negatives on Floyd, abjure the unique qualities and athleticism of this athlete. Some state that he is more athlete than football player. Others that he is to old or to thin. My answer is that even undersized Floyd was a disruptive force in the SEC. He altered the direction of plays, creating opportunities for turnovers.

I want a disruptor, playmaker with our first pick. While many consider him risky, the reward may prove outstanding.

I'm OK with the pick at 10.

specialist that is a liability in the running game and is vulnerable to screen passes. Not to mention, he is a tweener and is not suited for the 4-3. I think the nays have it. We need a recount.

You can't teach athleticism, you can teach technique.

Giants gamble on greatness.

...and hope he's the impact defensive stud they must envision him as if he's the selection...but I wouldn't take him at #10 and he might not be my first choice at #15 depending on who is available.

with his age, is he shouldn't get a cap killing contract ever. If he's good, then he'd be 29 when his rookie contract is up. By then if he won't sign for a reasonable offer, let him walk.

childs frame at a man's age.

that would make you think he can overcome that physical disadvantage at the next level.

Screams bust to me.

I think he'll be a damn good 3-4 OLB. Just after experimenting with Kiwinuka, flip flopping his positions, and, from my humble opinion, that being the reason he never made it to the next level, the Sintim experiment gone horribly wrong, and even dating back to Lavar Arrington, it seems like the Giants have been looking for this 3rd pass rushing option outside of the DE's that they've yet to develop, and doubt they ever will. I don't think he's the best option. I'd rather not see the Giants draft a fella and create a new position for him, more or less, when we still have some major holes to fill on that side of the ball, let alone the whole team.

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Nothing special about Floyd

Was leery at first but I've warmed to the idea. It's a risky pick but let's lay out positives and negatives here...
+Excels in coverage, can run with backs and TEs in man coverage
+Great athleticism, legit sideline to sideline range
+Can rush the passer

-Light in the pants, marginal functional strength
-Struggles to hold the point, can be washed out against the run

So we have a prospect whose positives can't be taught and will provide an immediate impact. On the other side of the coin his negatives can be cured by a year or two with a pro level strength program and nutritionist. The upside is huge and he could be a monster two years from now. And I have to say, I really don't get the "doesn't have a true position" knock. How many OLBs come into the league undersized? How many are said to struggle to hold the point against the run? How many need a year or two in a pro caliber strength and conditioning program? Let's take a look at the profiles of the rest of the top 5 OLB prospects according to NFL.com...

1) Myles Jack: "Doesn't have prototypical linebacker frame. Lower body build is more like a running back"
2) Jaylon Smith: "Not strong enough at point of attack to maintain balance and positioning when blockers get into his frame"
4) Darron Lee: "Smallish linebacker. Play strength doesn't come close to matching puffed up listed weight. Has the body type of a big safety"
5) Su'a Cravens: "Small for an NFL linebacker spot. Will take time to adjust to NFL power at the point of attack. Will get hooked inside and lose contain"

So, of the top 5 OLB prospects, scouts feel that they all need to add strength and that every one of them will have early struggles setting the edge and holding the point vs the run. Now, is anyone saying the rest of them don't have a true position? Nope. Well, maybe Cravens but the point remains: Floyd's weaknesses are not unique and they are far from not being correctable. Yes, there is a risk factor. But Floyd strikes me as the kind of guy teams will have serious regrets about passing on 2 years down the road.

Ten is high but in the scheme he ran at Georgia he was asked to do a lot more than just rush the passer. At 6ft 6 he was dropping back most of the time into coverage and held his own quite a bit against slot receivers and tight ends. He may not have gotten the sack totals but he got quite a lot of hurries and pressures in very few pass rush snaps. He may be a beanpole but at ten you role the dice for a player that can cause the kind of disruption that he can. He and Spence are the only "edge" guys that seem to instinctively come off the ball explosively and immediately at the snap when rushing on passing downs. These are traits that should translate better to the speed of the modern NFL and the quick passing offense than the other bigger more lumbering edge guys being projected in the first/early second. You watch Bosa, Lawson, Dodd, and Ogbah barely getting out of their stance when the ball is reaching the Qb's hands. They can still beat inferior college players with power and technique but good NFL tackles will be able to shut that down if they have time to set their feet. Obviously he lacks refined moves and he can't anchor or bullrush like a Bosa or Lawson, but he can fly off the edge like nobody's business and cover receivers like he has no business to at 6ft 5+. That said if Jack is there at ten you have to go with Jack over Floyd and its not even close in my opinion.

soft player that people make excuses for and invent reasons to mask his flaws.

and gidie make sure you record radar's contrarian non-vote...

I will jump on bandwagon

This draft class lacks athletes.

For everyone saying want a safe pick who are the safe picks? All the targets in the top 10 have issues with athleticism. Hargreaves (short not fast) Treadwell (not fast) Conklin (limited athlete) and I'd much rather Take a "risk" on a productive, hard working athlete then a limited athlete

In this class the safest targets at 10 to me are actually elliott or floyd

I think at worst floyd is manny lawson who had started in this league for 10 years on some good defenses.

103 votes

Yea 57
Nay 46


Wafflers 4

this radar you speak of - didn't I ban him?

I'm all for any LBer who is able to cover the TE or RB

much rather a PK instead

in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.'-Dante.

I'll go with Yea. If he can get after the QB, we need him & all the help we can get.

but I wouldn't be upset if he is the pick

In comment 12910998 JCin332 said:

Quote:

and gidie make sure you record radar's contrarian non-vote...

Oh look who's conforming preemptively.

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think there'll be a better pick worthy of 10 (OT or CB)

109 votes

Yea 61
Nay 48


Dante's Inferno 4

i'm curious why so many are on board with Floyd. Did anybody watch any tape on him or just read beat writer reports? Don't go watching highlights, go watch game tape cut-ups. You can find them all at DraftbreakdownsDOTcom. If you watch the attached Alabama tape you'll see all the reasons Floyd is going to be a bust. He played at 233 or less his whole career. The 244 was added for the combine and resulted in a hamstring pull at the combine. He is rail thin with no power at the point of attack. On tape you'll see him flat footed and slow to react when he is playing off the ball linebacker. When you see him rush the passer he is stoned and pushed back easily. You'll see him knife through on a toss out play to Henry and whiff on the tackle (nice stiffarm by Henry).

Bottom line is he just ins't good. Georgia moved him all around the field to get him into position to make plays and he still couldn't. For reference on what to look for go compare to Jack's tape against Virginia. Watch Jack fly up and take on pulling guards and tackles and standing them up. Floyd either tries to run around them (making a huge hole) or gets engulfed by the OLman.
Floyd vs. Alabama - ( New Window )

An infusion of young ATHELETIC players with SPEED is what we need. Concerns about bulk,true, but value=need.

.....

112 votes

Yea 62
Nay 50


Dante's Inferno 4

Hate the long and lean body types as edge rushers. Neutralized too easily, especially with limited pass rush technique.

It's effectively a 50/50 split if you adjust for the Band of Merry Men that like to blindly front-run their support for things that the Giants look likely to do. Slurp slurp slurp.

I just have a bad feeling about him.

114 votes

Yea 62
Nay 52


Dante's Inferno 4

(at 40)

At first yes, but changed to No. Don't want to draft someone at 10 for a hybrid role... or a tweener... it never seems to work when guys get drafted then have to bulk up... I'm over it.

I won't throw the remote if we draft him, but for the purposes of this poll it is a definite no.

I think he would be better suited in 3-4 scheme.
Said this about Mosley a few years ago, and he plays
in a 3-4 scheme.

115 votes

Yea 62
Nay 53


Dante's Inferno 4

117 votes

Yea 62
Nay 55


Dante's Inferno 4

for reasons stated on Raanan's thread by myself, JohnVB, and the like. Too much bust potential on multiple points.

118 votes

Yea 62
Nay 56


Dante's Inferno 4

are pretty disappointing -- the one thing I will note is that the vast majority of the plays in that game seemed to be going away from Floyd and he maintained position

This is totally superficial, but the guy reminds me of Randy Gregory (or Aaron Maybin) - another guy who would be a bad pick at 10 (would have been bad at 9 last year) even before the pot stuff. His age is also a major concern.

If he were 20, you could safely project more physical development in the necessary direction than you can with a 23-year-old.

119 votes

Yea 62
Nay 57


Dante's Inferno 4

Can't add anymore than whats already been said .
Jerry goes with a safer pick and it has to fill
a hole .

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In comment 12911353 micky said:

Quote:

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Micky -- can't vote twice

I trust the Giants in the first round, but I don't trust their ability to grade linebackers ever.

Floyd makes me nervous. I think I'd rather have Treadwell than Floyd. Less questions.

Nay to Floyd.

In comment 12910963 PatersonPlank said:

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This was a Nay by the way.

In comment 12911450 gidiefor said:

Quote:

In comment 12911353 micky said: Quote: . Micky -- can't vote twice

Just had to whip...and a nay nay

Doesn't really have a position, wasn't hugely productive in college.

Nay; there's just something about him I am uncomfortable with and even I can't pinpoint it. Not a remote-throw pick but I will be disappointed.
However, if that's who they pick, I'm behind him.

Speak up if you need to

122 Votes

Yea – 63 (52%)
Nay – 59 (48%)
Whimps – 5

Yea
1. gidiefor
2. Ira
3. Mike B from JC
4. allstarjim
5. huygens20
6. Saos1n
7. Rjanyg
8. AcidTest
9. Bold Ruler
10. JPinstripes
11. mrvax
12. GuzzaBlue
13. LI NHB
14. Eric on Li
15. GMen23
16. Vanzetti
17. Peppers
18. Bleedin Blue
19. tomjgiant
20. joeinct
21. Peter from NH
22. FatHeadTommy
23. Nomad Crow on the Madison
24. Big Rick in FL
25. David in LA
26. KWALL2
27. Gmen108021
28. NikkiMac
29. muhajir
30. SomeFan
31. Eli Wilson
32. jeff57
33. Big Rick in FL
34. Joe in CT
35. GmenNYC
36. CaptSehorn
37. ryanmkeane
38. Ed A.
39. Del Shofner
40. geelabee
41. Coach Mason
42. Mdgiantsfan
43. blueblood
44. Vin R
45. slickwilly
46. beatrixkiddo
47. GiantsLaw
48. Giantgator
49. GMen108021
50. Makogman
51. ij_reilly
52. OBJ31
53. Jim in Tampa
54. j_rud
55. HughS
56. JCin332
57. George from PA
58. Jesse B
59. pa_giant_fan
60. SanFranNowNCGiantsFan
61. Beer Man
62. Curtin in VA
63. Tom in Kzoo

Nay
1. Illmatic
2. Bigblue12
3. RetroJint
4. Rambo
5. Bigbluehoya
6. ZogZerg
7. Wgenesis123
8. Klaatu
9. dk in TX
10. Andy in Halifax
11. Marty866b
12. Phil in LA
13. Red Dog
14. Glover
15. shyster
16. superspynyg
17. Carl in CT
18. MOOPS
19. Jim Burt64
20. phil in Arizona
21. Mark from Jersey
22. Thegratefulhead
23. JohnVB
24. Go Terps
25. idiotsavant
26. Patrick77
27. dust_bowl
28. speedywheels
29. TMS
30. Jimmy Googs
31. jeremysgiants
32. xman
33. The_Boss
34. Reb8thVA
35. Danny Kanell
36. Kanavis
37. fivehead
38. SirYesSIr
39. Anakim
40. compton
41. poster who shall go unnamed
42. colin
43. PatersonPlank
44. Dragon
45. BigBlueCane
46. micky
47. bc4life
48. mikey6480
49. Victor in CT
50. BlueHurricane
51. Jay on the Island
52. Randy in CT
53. Pascal4554
54. Carson53
55. JonC
56. RB^2
57. Bluesbreaker
58. Ten Ton Hammer
59. Greg from LI

Whimps
1. Milton
2. AP in Halfmoon
3. Mavric
4. Torrag
5. Madgianscow009

you can blame micky for the list -- he pointed out that folks could vote twice so I defined the votes - old man -- I'll add you later - and anyone else who chimes in

In comment 12911638 gidiefor said:

Quote:

you can blame micky for the list -- he pointed out that folks could vote twice so I defined the votes - old man -- I'll add you later - and anyone else who chimes in

and Torrag -- I couldn;t nail you down -- so make a definitive statement and I'll move you

I interpreted your remarks as well

So my vote would be NAY.

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He'll bust.

125 Votes

Yea – 64 (51%)
Nay – 61 (49%)
Whimps – 5

Yea
1. gidiefor
2. Ira
3. Mike B from JC
4. allstarjim
5. huygens20
6. Saos1n
7. Rjanyg
8. AcidTest
9. Bold Ruler
10. JPinstripes
11. mrvax
12. GuzzaBlue
13. LI NHB
14. Eric on Li
15. GMen23
16. Vanzetti
17. Peppers
18. Bleedin Blue
19. tomjgiant
20. joeinct
21. Peter from NH
22. FatHeadTommy
23. Nomad Crow on the Madison
24. Big Rick in FL
25. David in LA
26. KWALL2
27. Gmen108021
28. NikkiMac
29. muhajir
30. SomeFan
31. Eli Wilson
32. jeff57
33. Big Rick in FL
34. Joe in CT
35. GmenNYC
36. CaptSehorn
37. ryanmkeane
38. Ed A.
39. Del Shofner
40. geelabee
41. Coach Mason
42. Mdgiantsfan
43. blueblood
44. Vin R
45. slickwilly
46. beatrixkiddo
47. GiantsLaw
48. Giantgator
49. GMen108021
50. Makogman
51. ij_reilly
52. OBJ31
53. Jim in Tampa
54. j_rud
55. HughS
56. JCin332
57. George from PA
58. Jesse B
59. pa_giant_fan
60. SanFranNowNCGiantsFan
61. Beer Man
62. Curtin in VA
63. Tom in Kzoo
64. Brandon Walsh

Nay
1. Illmatic
2. Bigblue12
3. RetroJint
4. Rambo
5. Bigbluehoya
6. ZogZerg
7. Wgenesis123
8. Klaatu
9. dk in TX
10. Andy in Halifax
11. Marty866b
12. Phil in LA
13. Red Dog
14. Glover
15. shyster
16. superspynyg
17. Carl in CT
18. MOOPS
19. Jim Burt64
20. phil in Arizona
21. Mark from Jersey
22. Thegratefulhead
23. JohnVB
24. Go Terps
25. idiotsavant
26. Patrick77
27. dust_bowl
28. speedywheels
29. TMS
30. Jimmy Googs
31. jeremysgiants
32. xman
33. The_Boss
34. Reb8thVA
35. Danny Kanell
36. Kanavis
37. fivehead
38. SirYesSIr
39. Anakim
40. compton
41. poster who shall go unnamed
42. colin
43. PatersonPlank
44. Dragon
45. BigBlueCane
46. micky
47. bc4life
48. mikey6480
49. Victor in CT
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On the no side. Surprising so many of them are getting this wrong ;)

so I am a HUGE no on this guy. No way, no how, no chance, no money.

and he's a Saban guy.

Saban SPECIFICALLY structures his defenses to hide weaknesses and highlight strengths, which is why his players removed from that system, tend to bust in the NFL.

Pruit had Floyd dropping into coverage more often then anything else. That was his strength, not a pass rusher, not a physical mis-match, etc...

He's a coverage linebacker that's tall, that's all he is.

In comment 12912057 BigBlueCane said:

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and he's a Saban guy. Saban SPECIFICALLY structures his defenses to hide weaknesses and highlight strengths, which is why his players removed from that system, tend to bust in the NFL. Pruit had Floyd dropping into coverage more often then anything else. That was his strength, not a pass rusher, not a physical mis-match, etc... He's a coverage linebacker that's tall, that's all he is.

He has pretty good bend for a 6'6" guy. He says himself he needs to learn a couple more moves but of the video on youtube, right now he can dip to the outside, counter inside and stunt to the inside. I'll take that from a rookie LB.

Just a ridiculous take on how And why Floyd was used at Georgia and his skills.

He rushed the passer a lot and he was extremely effective. That isn't debateable. You want to knock the guy run d, lack of strength, concern about finding a position...that's a legit concern. But saying he wasn't a pass rush and just a coverage LB is not.

gets closer and closer, I can't help but feel more every day that Reese is going to draft Floyd if available. I'm sure the team wants that great pass rush back and Floyd can certainly help there.

The fact that he can provide coverage is just a bonus that I don't think Reese can pass up.

Think about Vernon-Hankins-Snacks-JPP and Floyd coming at you on 3rd down.

If the Giants draft him I'll be happy with the pick. It will be called a reach and there is a lot of risk with the pick. Every first round pick can't be the safe one and the Giants have been aggressive in free agency and expect we will see that in the draft.

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Hell no

Hell no

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Hell no

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A linebacker who sucks at the PoA is simply not acceptable as the first LBer this team selects on the 1st since decades.

We're clearly looking for another Carl Banks which is fine because he was great at his peak. But Floyd hasn't shown anywhere near the toughness/strength to be that guy.


YES, the pass rush/coverage skills are intriguing. But he's not Exactly great at both areas. Great outside speed rush potential with that dip and 1st step, but his absolute lack of power limits his options as a pass rusher significantly. And everyone here loves his coverage skills yet he made NOTHING happen in coverage in college. He forced opponents into making harder catches... Yet they still made catches.

0 INTs and 4 Passes Defended in 3 years of college... OMG What an awesome coverage backer!!!!

This pick is Jerry Reese's baby, and if he loves Floyd enough to draft him I'll root for the kid until he's not on this team anymore. I'll hope he proves me wrong. But no thanks... Again.

has had some interesting posts lately. Hitting the bottle early again my friend?

as to how the Beckham pick was viewed -- the nays on this thread were also the nays when it came to Beckham -- lol -- it's totally comforting
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...for many of the reasons stated already!
just too darn risky!

Too much risk at 10 for me. Not seeing the coverage skills that everyone says he has- just the speed to keep up.

... its like Pascal's wager.

The downside if a yay is less than a nay. If you say yay, and the chap is a bust, well it happens. If you say nay and they end up in th HOF, that seems worse.

so, yay

NO...NO...NO

AS IN BIG YEA ALL CAPS

he prefers Floyd to JAck

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He's going to be a heck of a player.

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(don't count this Gidie)

I want OT.

Not a Floyd fan either.

Huge risk
sjnyfan : 3/22/2016 3:09 pm : link
In fact it should be a flat out no. He's not a 4-3 player, not on the line or at LB. This isn't Von Miller or Anthony Barr. He's a 3-4 rush LB with height and straight line speed. He won't hold up against the run at his weight against NFL lineman and he doesn't have the quickness to cover. His ability to bend around the edge is overrated to me. He had 4.5 sacks last year with 1 in his last 5 games. Nearly half (5 out of 10.5) of his TFL's came against La.-Monroe, Southern U and Georgia Southern. He reminds me way too much of Barkevious Mingo who went 6th in the draft in '13 and has a total of 7 sacks in the 3 seasons.


sjnyfan : 4/23/2016 2:01 pm : link : reply
...We're talking about Floyd at #10 and he has no consistency on tape that proves it. There are analysts that give Kevin Dodd, who will also be 24 at the start of the season a 2nd rd grade. They say his 5 TFL performance against Alabama was overrated because he did it against their weak link at RT. Leonard Floyd went up against the same guy and had zero. In fact he had less total tackles (2 solo, 2 assisted) than Dodd's TFLs and those were chase tackles if I recall. I'll argue with anyone here to look at both Floyd and Dodd against Alabama and still come back to me and say Floyd is the better player. But that's the guy we take at 10 and Dodd possibly reaches 40? A guy who nearly matched Floyd's career production in one season, weighs 40 pounds more and almost as quick at the snap? I am blown away at this love affair with a guy that didn't produce. You show me one positive play by Floyd and I can point to ten negative ones. That's not a player you take at 10 overall.

If you want a wiry, tall edge rusher go with Alex McCallister from Florida. Nearly the same dimensions in height and weight but he was more productive in the same conference. McCallister had more sacks and one less TFL and did so in 4 less games than Floyd. We can get him on Day 3. Admittedly part of that was character concerns but he was never rated as high as Floyd. He never had the same TV analyst love.

From PFF:

Position fit: 3-4 outside linebacker. Strong-side linebacker, possibly inside linebacker

Leonard Floyd played more of an off-the-ball linebacker role this season for Georgia, but when he was unleashed
to get after the QB, he made the most of it with the third-best PRP at 17.7

but...

Majority of his pass rushing production came against the lowest graded right tackles of SEC. Won a lot purely on athleticism and not a refined pass rushing skillset

Defensive end

Tweener, bust written all overhim

In comment 12918426 micky said:

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(don't count this Gidie)

Hey micky -- as I recall you were equally adamant about not taking OBJ

People are jacked about his potential.
But he also has a huge bust potential.

I would rather have a sure fire solid than a maybe yes/maybe no player.

a lot of folk have admitted huge holes in his game. At number 10, I don't want gaping holes in a game that you put up with coz he's so damn good at one aspect. I want an all around player.

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In comment 12921740 gidiefor said:

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In comment 12918426 micky said: Quote: (don't count this Gidie) Hey micky -- as I recall you were equally adamant about not taking OBJ

I don't think I felt either way..but if you can find where I was...then it's news to me.

but mostly because I recognize too many people from the 'nay' side as people who put ketchup on their hot dogs.

Oh, and because if the Giants really want him in RD1, they're usually more right than wrong in that situation.

Not enough production in college

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