Go on record Floyd - yea or nay

NFL offenses are very pass heavy. Some of The best defenses now have many of these athletic freak tweener types. This guy impacts the passing game bigtime.

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however I have no horse in the race, I simply understand why the Giants would consider drafting him and I can agree with that assessment.

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Doesn't seem hard-nosed enough to me. Linebackers need to be tough sonsabitches, and Floyd doesn't bring the wood. (From the limited YouTube clips I've seen)

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A LB with explosive Pass rush ability: Check
Team Captain: Check

Sign me up. I don't see many other players that can offer the versatility that he can bring to this very poor defense. He fills numerous holes, we have been abused by opposing teams TE's. A LB that can take that away alone would have me sold, add that he has elite pass rush ability and it isn't even a question you take him.

The thing I like about him is his ability to close. When he gets near the QB, he gets the QB.

Bend and Snap (Romo's clavicle.) What, and he can limit Witten to 12 catches a game? Hell yes.

81 votes

Yea 43
Nay 38


Wafflers 3

83 votes

Yea 45
Nay 38


Wafflers 3

liability against the run, bad leverage against the big boys on the rush

hell for him.

rather jack but okay with him as many have mentioned he fills manys holes including the ability to at least slow TEs something we havent been close to doing in years

Many who point out negatives on Floyd, abjure the unique qualities and athleticism of this athlete. Some state that he is more athlete than football player. Others that he is to old or to thin. My answer is that even undersized Floyd was a disruptive force in the SEC. He altered the direction of plays, creating opportunities for turnovers.

I want a disruptor, playmaker with our first pick. While many consider him risky, the reward may prove outstanding.

I'm OK with the pick at 10.

specialist that is a liability in the running game and is vulnerable to screen passes. Not to mention, he is a tweener and is not suited for the 4-3. I think the nays have it. We need a recount.

You can't teach athleticism, you can teach technique.

Giants gamble on greatness.

...and hope he's the impact defensive stud they must envision him as if he's the selection...but I wouldn't take him at #10 and he might not be my first choice at #15 depending on who is available.

with his age, is he shouldn't get a cap killing contract ever. If he's good, then he'd be 29 when his rookie contract is up. By then if he won't sign for a reasonable offer, let him walk.

childs frame at a man's age.

that would make you think he can overcome that physical disadvantage at the next level.

Screams bust to me.

I think he'll be a damn good 3-4 OLB. Just after experimenting with Kiwinuka, flip flopping his positions, and, from my humble opinion, that being the reason he never made it to the next level, the Sintim experiment gone horribly wrong, and even dating back to Lavar Arrington, it seems like the Giants have been looking for this 3rd pass rushing option outside of the DE's that they've yet to develop, and doubt they ever will. I don't think he's the best option. I'd rather not see the Giants draft a fella and create a new position for him, more or less, when we still have some major holes to fill on that side of the ball, let alone the whole team.

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Nothing special about Floyd

Was leery at first but I've warmed to the idea. It's a risky pick but let's lay out positives and negatives here...
+Excels in coverage, can run with backs and TEs in man coverage
+Great athleticism, legit sideline to sideline range
+Can rush the passer

-Light in the pants, marginal functional strength
-Struggles to hold the point, can be washed out against the run

So we have a prospect whose positives can't be taught and will provide an immediate impact. On the other side of the coin his negatives can be cured by a year or two with a pro level strength program and nutritionist. The upside is huge and he could be a monster two years from now. And I have to say, I really don't get the "doesn't have a true position" knock. How many OLBs come into the league undersized? How many are said to struggle to hold the point against the run? How many need a year or two in a pro caliber strength and conditioning program? Let's take a look at the profiles of the rest of the top 5 OLB prospects according to NFL.com...

1) Myles Jack: "Doesn't have prototypical linebacker frame. Lower body build is more like a running back"
2) Jaylon Smith: "Not strong enough at point of attack to maintain balance and positioning when blockers get into his frame"
4) Darron Lee: "Smallish linebacker. Play strength doesn't come close to matching puffed up listed weight. Has the body type of a big safety"
5) Su'a Cravens: "Small for an NFL linebacker spot. Will take time to adjust to NFL power at the point of attack. Will get hooked inside and lose contain"

So, of the top 5 OLB prospects, scouts feel that they all need to add strength and that every one of them will have early struggles setting the edge and holding the point vs the run. Now, is anyone saying the rest of them don't have a true position? Nope. Well, maybe Cravens but the point remains: Floyd's weaknesses are not unique and they are far from not being correctable. Yes, there is a risk factor. But Floyd strikes me as the kind of guy teams will have serious regrets about passing on 2 years down the road.

Ten is high but in the scheme he ran at Georgia he was asked to do a lot more than just rush the passer. At 6ft 6 he was dropping back most of the time into coverage and held his own quite a bit against slot receivers and tight ends. He may not have gotten the sack totals but he got quite a lot of hurries and pressures in very few pass rush snaps. He may be a beanpole but at ten you role the dice for a player that can cause the kind of disruption that he can. He and Spence are the only "edge" guys that seem to instinctively come off the ball explosively and immediately at the snap when rushing on passing downs. These are traits that should translate better to the speed of the modern NFL and the quick passing offense than the other bigger more lumbering edge guys being projected in the first/early second. You watch Bosa, Lawson, Dodd, and Ogbah barely getting out of their stance when the ball is reaching the Qb's hands. They can still beat inferior college players with power and technique but good NFL tackles will be able to shut that down if they have time to set their feet. Obviously he lacks refined moves and he can't anchor or bullrush like a Bosa or Lawson, but he can fly off the edge like nobody's business and cover receivers like he has no business to at 6ft 5+. That said if Jack is there at ten you have to go with Jack over Floyd and its not even close in my opinion.

soft player that people make excuses for and invent reasons to mask his flaws.

and gidie make sure you record radar's contrarian non-vote...

I will jump on bandwagon

This draft class lacks athletes.

For everyone saying want a safe pick who are the safe picks? All the targets in the top 10 have issues with athleticism. Hargreaves (short not fast) Treadwell (not fast) Conklin (limited athlete) and I'd much rather Take a "risk" on a productive, hard working athlete then a limited athlete

In this class the safest targets at 10 to me are actually elliott or floyd

I think at worst floyd is manny lawson who had started in this league for 10 years on some good defenses.

103 votes

Yea 57
Nay 46


Wafflers 4

this radar you speak of - didn't I ban him?

I'm all for any LBer who is able to cover the TE or RB

much rather a PK instead

in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.'-Dante.

I'll go with Yea. If he can get after the QB, we need him & all the help we can get.

but I wouldn't be upset if he is the pick

In comment 12910998 JCin332 said:

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and gidie make sure you record radar's contrarian non-vote...

Oh look who's conforming preemptively.

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think there'll be a better pick worthy of 10 (OT or CB)

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Dante's Inferno 4

i'm curious why so many are on board with Floyd. Did anybody watch any tape on him or just read beat writer reports? Don't go watching highlights, go watch game tape cut-ups. You can find them all at DraftbreakdownsDOTcom. If you watch the attached Alabama tape you'll see all the reasons Floyd is going to be a bust. He played at 233 or less his whole career. The 244 was added for the combine and resulted in a hamstring pull at the combine. He is rail thin with no power at the point of attack. On tape you'll see him flat footed and slow to react when he is playing off the ball linebacker. When you see him rush the passer he is stoned and pushed back easily. You'll see him knife through on a toss out play to Henry and whiff on the tackle (nice stiffarm by Henry).

Bottom line is he just ins't good. Georgia moved him all around the field to get him into position to make plays and he still couldn't. For reference on what to look for go compare to Jack's tape against Virginia. Watch Jack fly up and take on pulling guards and tackles and standing them up. Floyd either tries to run around them (making a huge hole) or gets engulfed by the OLman.
Floyd vs. Alabama - ( New Window )

An infusion of young ATHELETIC players with SPEED is what we need. Concerns about bulk,true, but value=need.

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112 votes

Yea 62
Nay 50


Dante's Inferno 4

Hate the long and lean body types as edge rushers. Neutralized too easily, especially with limited pass rush technique.

It's effectively a 50/50 split if you adjust for the Band of Merry Men that like to blindly front-run their support for things that the Giants look likely to do. Slurp slurp slurp.

I just have a bad feeling about him.