i would LOVE this pick if we had signed some more talent defensively. maybe a danny trevathon to play MIKE or maybe a FS, a slot CB...i still think we have to many Defensive needs to make this selection. elliot is going to be a stud at the next level
has to do with his own ability and how much has to do with the oline he had in front of him and the other options that defenses had to account for (Michael Thomas, Braxton Miller, Nick Vannett). For these reasons, I think drafting him at 10 is a risk.
RE: He's clearly a good player, but i wonder how much of his success Â
has to do with his own ability and how much has to do with the oline he had in front of him and the other options that defenses had to account for (Michael Thomas, Braxton Miller, Nick Vannett). For these reasons, I think drafting him at 10 is a risk.
Agreed, how much is Elliott and how much is the talent around him? We simply don't know.
If the Giants are sold on Elliott and the fact that he brings the total package to the table well taking him means we've upgraded our run game, short pass game, long pass game (pass protection superb I read...) and our lacking redzone offense.
We now have two superb playmakers on the field at the same time and that would be HUGE for an offense that needs a little shove up in talent to get to the next level.
As for the OL, we have money. There will be a "cut" that will fall to us and he'll be our RT. Newhouse may end up starting at RG and backing up both OT spots. Or we hope OG B. Hart develops and surprises in camp over Jerry.
if Elliott was there and they did NOT take him.
He is clearly a stud RB, a mensch, who has the full package: strength, speed, and agility. Oh yea, it also looks like he absolutely loves football.
Normally I would say they shouldn't take a RB, especially with other needs being higher priority.
I would draft a DE, but Lawson seems to be a good player, not a huge ceiling, Dodd has a higher ceiling with less experience. Ogbah has a lot of positives and some negatives.
Floyd could be a fantastic, dynamic, all around LB, or he could be a 4-3 OLB who is just an OLB, and a lot of that special might not translate to the NFL, especially his pass rushing.
I dont want them to take a RT 10. They should be able to get one in the 3rd or 4th round.
I guess I could deal with Hargreaves at 10, but I dont see any WR worth the pick.
So, Elliott would be a good pick, and I think he would be effective even if the Giants didnt have a Stanley or a Conklin at RT. They can get someone to play the position. It doesnt have to be a top 10 pick. L tackle fine, or Flowers making RT and G better, and of course having the skills to take over at LT. We know Stanley can play LT. Conklin likely can, but its no lock.
I'd love for the Giants to take Elliott. He upgrades the running game big time even with no new starters on the OL. An improved running game also opens up more (play-action) opportunities for OBJ and lifts the entire offense. And of course he would help the defense as well, because they wouldn't have to be on the field as long.
That being said, this is very unlikely to happen. Dallas or Philly are much more likely to take him and it also seems that the Giants have 6 or 7 guys they like better. I think all of them would have to be gone in order for the Giants to take Elliott.
I think it would dramatically change our offensive playbook in a positive way - especially in the red zone and/or 3rd downs which has been an Achilles heel for us lately.
On the other hand, our offense hasn't really been the real problem with this team and a strong #2 WR would free up OBJ and be another offensive upgrade which we can probably get in the 2nd round.
I tend to think defensive studs need to be added to the team and not sure how many genuine future pro-bowl studs on the d-side will be available after rd 1.
It's getting closer to draft day and I am pretty sure I'll be happy with whoever we get because we tend to do well in the first couple of rounds. I just hope we don't risk a player with an injury and a "high risk / high reward maybe" player. Get a stud player with an injury free background and good character. Zeke fits that description.
Is this to counter Graziano article from yesterday? Â
We take this IMPACT player. He runs good routes, good hands, and can take it to the house with just a little seam. He runs between the tackles, unlike Wilson whom wanted to bounce it outside. When Vareen came in game it was obvious we were passing 90%. With a 3 down back in Elliott, they won't be able to double team Odell. With a Blue Chipper back in Elliott, our line will block better as a whole. Like you all said earlier, there will be CAP casualties and cuts and we snag our RG than. BTW we can address these Line issues in R2-R3
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Ezekiel Elliott Highlights || "Legend In The Making" á´´á´°
He did this over last 2 years :
273 carries / 1878 yards / 18 tds
289 carries / 1821 yrds / 23 tds
Ok take could easily line up like this. How would you all like a draft like:
R1/10 : RB Ezekiel Elliott
R2/40 : LT Springs/Clark/Hawkins
R3: DE Kafusi, DT Billings, Butler, Washington
R4: / 109: LB Brothers, Matakevich, Martinez,
R5 / 149: WR Higgins, Lawler, Davis, Listenbee
R6 Fill in need Link - ( New Window )
EE said that we would win the Super Bowl if we drafted him........... Â
I think we all want to win the super bowl again....so I will do cartwheels at the bar on draft night if EE is our pick at 10! We can then get that WR and OT in 2 and 3.
If you believe TWO QBs will be taken early, then it is likely that SOME player from the 1st row on the board is going to fall to the Giants. The Giants should take WHOEVER THAT IS over ANY 2nd row player. Including Elliot. No, it doesn't map the team's "biggest need to the first pick. Will fans EVER grow up, and stop thinking that way?
As for him not being able to do it on his own, I don't know where that is coming from.
1. Don't assume the Giants aren't going to upgrade the right side of the OL. It may not be with the 1st pick, but they will upgrade it one way or another. If not, might they still struggle running right? Perhaps, but there are lots of ways to use a guy like Elliot besides running right.
2. I've never heard it said that Elliot needs the great OL to be effective. What I've heard is that he is the COMPLETE package. Including being an NFL-ready blitz-pickup blocker. Which would mean an immediate return and IMPACT PLAYER.
Point is, the Giants have enough holes that they need to take whoever slides from that FIRST ROW of the draft board. They need IMPACT PLAYERS ANYWHERE. Period. If it's Jack, or someone that matches a bigger perceived need, wonderful! But if it's Elliot, you grab him and break out the champagne, and realize you added a "Triplet" to the offense. Then go fix the right side of the OL.
He is probably a downgrade (possibly a huge downgrade) to Shane Vereen on passing downs.
So he is an upgrade to Jennings, a part-time player. Big deal.
Would be worth taking him if he was the OBJ of RBs, meaning that defenses have to specifically plan to shut him down. I am not a scout, but with no RB ranked ahead of him, I would think it would be obvious in the across the board ratings that he was that kind of talent. I am just not seeing it.
If they have him rated much higher than anyone else Â
A lot more good RB's win Super Bowls while the great ones get drafted high in fantasy.
Is that for a reason other than that there are a lot more good than great RBs?
Good look at the leading rushers per year. Think those guys are great runners or have better offensive lines? Yet to see a great HB win a Super Bowl without a good OL yet have seen many good HB's win Super Bowls with good offensive lines.
choice if he is BPA which he might very well be. We need a step in player, like OBJ was, in the fhe first round. Not someone who has to be developed or has to learn a new position.
Good to get rumors out there that we might. The Bears and Dolphins both might want him,especially the Dolphins who pick at #13. May make a nice trade partner particularly if the Giants are so enamored by Floyd.
No I think if Philly moves up for a QB and Dallas takes Ramsey, Elliott immediately becomes in play at 10. Now, if he's there he'd clearly be BPA. The unfortunate part is Reese will likely take Floyd instead.
is one thing. There might just be a better pick available. If for instance someone grabs Treadwell before our selection - picks like that have happened before (DHB, Ted Ginn, Dion Jordan, etc.).
However, looking at Elliott in isolation, if he can carry the grade at #10 (3-down back, elite play making ability and pass protection skills), I wouldn't have a problem with the pick.
It will trickle to others areas of the team. The O should be more consistent with a GOOD all around back. The depth chart is A1. 3rd down conversions percentage gets better. The D is on the field less we have a better chance to close out games.
A DL or LB is only going to go so far ad we do need both of those but no need to reach if the BEST RB in draft is staring you in the face.
RE: the Giants would rotate him with at least two other backs Â
Is my favorite player in the Draft .
I don't want Floyd period .
Would rather them Trade down while getting
another 2nd round pick .
If Jerry plays his cards right we get
four holes filled in the first three rounds .The Bonus would
be a FA RT before the Draft .
He's simply a lot better than the other running backs in this draft.
Question becomes - do the Giants feel like they can get a defensive player in round 2 or 3 that could be just as good as a guy at 10. Or can they get a OL in round 2 or 3 who is just as good as Conklin or Stanley down the road.
I don't think they could, but maybe they think differently. If they take Elliott, they have to absolutely nail picks 40 and 71 or things could get ugly real quick.
but it ain't worth shit in the snow unless the snowplows are out in front.
We're not drafting a 6th RB in the first round.
If we're gonna go shiny new toy, we're better off drafting a WR, we need one of those.
Well to use your analogy I guess that it depends on whether they view him as a Corvette and the next available player on their board as more of a Hyundai in comparison.
So much more need elsewhere - right side of the OL, receivers, pretty much all over the defense.
Elliott will not be a serious difference maker in today's game, just an upgrade to one of the few positions where they are already in relatively decent shape.
While I am not comparing them I remember hearing similar arguments as to why the Giants shouldn't draft LT when on a team full of needs the only position they didn't need help at was LB.
Although I would prefer the pick doesn't end up being a RB, I would hope they pick BPA even if that means it ends up being RB. IMO the question is would you want them to pass over someone even if he is clearly rated higher on their board when compared to everyone else available for no other reason than his being a RB?
Personally at this point in time I don't really care all that much who it is because it is out of my control anyway and I only get invested in the picks after they occur and become NY Giants. Every speculation leading up to that doesn't have any effect on that future result.
David Johnson had with the Cardinals last year in the second half once Ariens took off the training wheels. EE has a better grade with bigger upside. A good running back opens up the passing game for Eli and Beckham.
Not a fan of LB at pick #10 nor Stanley or Conklin at RT. Only other position I would look at is CB to cover the slot receiver.
Then you don't draft him, simple. If Elliot is the pick, he should get 75% of the carries. Then you have a Jennings spell him. Keep Vareen as a change up and release Williams.
If you draft him, use him. This running back by committee shit has to stop when you have a star RB.
STRENGTHS: Elliott is extremely well-rounded as a runner with ideal size for the position along with coordinated footwork that is always in sync with his eyes. He runs with natural pad level and fantastic forward lean, using his balance, leg drive and relentless fight to move the chains and pick up every inch he can. Plays with a strong intensity for the game.
Elliott is at his best on counter run plays, stopping on a dime and transitioning his weight to shoot through holes and dart through the second level of the defense. He displays outstanding vision to quickly read blocks and rarely runs with hesitation, bouncing away from would-be tacklers without slowing down.
WEAKNESSES: Elliott needs to become more consistent as a receiver and needs refinement as a blocker, but it's tough to find weaknesses in his run style, which is why he could projects as one of the top running backs and a likely first-round pick in the 2016 class.
Though I doubt he's the pick. I wonder if Wilson has made Reese a little gun shy about drafting a RB in the 1st, though I acknowledge no two players/situations are the same.
I'm not high on the seemingly inevitable Floyd pick, but I prefer it to EE.
As would a pick at OT, CB, WR, LB, or DE.
I've said this a ton of times - I don't care about round 1. They always seem to nail it in that round. I'm worried about rounds 2-7.
If the Giants are sold on Elliott and the fact that he brings the total package to the table well taking him means we've upgraded our run game, short pass game, long pass game (pass protection superb I read...) and our lacking redzone offense.
We now have two superb playmakers on the field at the same time and that would be HUGE for an offense that needs a little shove up in talent to get to the next level.
As for the OL, we have money. There will be a "cut" that will fall to us and he'll be our RT. Newhouse may end up starting at RG and backing up both OT spots. Or we hope OG B. Hart develops and surprises in camp over Jerry.
If the OL best players are C-LG-LT i am running left.
SF ran left because of Staley & Ipati
Phi ran left behind Peters and Mathis
You run behind your best players R or L
I would love it if EE were highly successful in the Giants system, it's just what Eli needs in the closing years of his career.
He is clearly a stud RB, a mensch, who has the full package: strength, speed, and agility. Oh yea, it also looks like he absolutely loves football.
Normally I would say they shouldn't take a RB, especially with other needs being higher priority.
I would draft a DE, but Lawson seems to be a good player, not a huge ceiling, Dodd has a higher ceiling with less experience. Ogbah has a lot of positives and some negatives.
Floyd could be a fantastic, dynamic, all around LB, or he could be a 4-3 OLB who is just an OLB, and a lot of that special might not translate to the NFL, especially his pass rushing.
I dont want them to take a RT 10. They should be able to get one in the 3rd or 4th round.
I guess I could deal with Hargreaves at 10, but I dont see any WR worth the pick.
So, Elliott would be a good pick, and I think he would be effective even if the Giants didnt have a Stanley or a Conklin at RT. They can get someone to play the position. It doesnt have to be a top 10 pick. L tackle fine, or Flowers making RT and G better, and of course having the skills to take over at LT. We know Stanley can play LT. Conklin likely can, but its no lock.
I'm not high on the seemingly inevitable Floyd pick, but I prefer it to EE.
Good RBs make their OL better.
That being said, this is very unlikely to happen. Dallas or Philly are much more likely to take him and it also seems that the Giants have 6 or 7 guys they like better. I think all of them would have to be gone in order for the Giants to take Elliott.
Good RBs make their OL better.
A lot more good RB's win Super Bowls while the great ones get drafted high in fantasy.
On the other hand, our offense hasn't really been the real problem with this team and a strong #2 WR would free up OBJ and be another offensive upgrade which we can probably get in the 2nd round.
I tend to think defensive studs need to be added to the team and not sure how many genuine future pro-bowl studs on the d-side will be available after rd 1.
It's getting closer to draft day and I am pretty sure I'll be happy with whoever we get because we tend to do well in the first couple of rounds. I just hope we don't risk a player with an injury and a "high risk / high reward maybe" player. Get a stud player with an injury free background and good character. Zeke fits that description.
That isn't to say that there aren't other guys that can't have an equal or potentially bigger impact.
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Ezekiel Elliott Highlights || "Legend In The Making" á´´á´°
He did this over last 2 years :
273 carries / 1878 yards / 18 tds
289 carries / 1821 yrds / 23 tds
Ok take could easily line up like this. How would you all like a draft like:
R1/10 : RB Ezekiel Elliott
R2/40 : LT Springs/Clark/Hawkins
R3: DE Kafusi, DT Billings, Butler, Washington
R4: / 109: LB Brothers, Matakevich, Martinez,
R5 / 149: WR Higgins, Lawler, Davis, Listenbee
R6 Fill in need
Link - ( New Window )
As for him not being able to do it on his own, I don't know where that is coming from.
1. Don't assume the Giants aren't going to upgrade the right side of the OL. It may not be with the 1st pick, but they will upgrade it one way or another. If not, might they still struggle running right? Perhaps, but there are lots of ways to use a guy like Elliot besides running right.
2. I've never heard it said that Elliot needs the great OL to be effective. What I've heard is that he is the COMPLETE package. Including being an NFL-ready blitz-pickup blocker. Which would mean an immediate return and IMPACT PLAYER.
Point is, the Giants have enough holes that they need to take whoever slides from that FIRST ROW of the draft board. They need IMPACT PLAYERS ANYWHERE. Period. If it's Jack, or someone that matches a bigger perceived need, wonderful! But if it's Elliot, you grab him and break out the champagne, and realize you added a "Triplet" to the offense. Then go fix the right side of the OL.
R1/10 : RB Ezekiel Elliott
R2/40 : LT Springs/Clark/Hawkins
R3: DE Kafusi, DT Billings, Butler, Washington
Billings in the 3rd Round? Yeah, ok sure.
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Good RBs make their OL better.
A lot more good RB's win Super Bowls while the great ones get drafted high in fantasy.
Is that for a reason other than that there are a lot more good than great RBs?
So he is an upgrade to Jennings, a part-time player. Big deal.
Would be worth taking him if he was the OBJ of RBs, meaning that defenses have to specifically plan to shut him down. I am not a scout, but with no RB ranked ahead of him, I would think it would be obvious in the across the board ratings that he was that kind of talent. I am just not seeing it.
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Good RBs make their OL better.
A lot more good RB's win Super Bowls while the great ones get drafted high in fantasy.
Is that for a reason other than that there are a lot more good than great RBs?
Good look at the leading rushers per year. Think those guys are great runners or have better offensive lines? Yet to see a great HB win a Super Bowl without a good OL yet have seen many good HB's win Super Bowls with good offensive lines.
This may all be moot because he may not be ranked that high on their board but assuming he is.
Does a team deliberately passes over the guy they have rated the highest on their board for no other reason than that he is a RB?
I certainly don't think you go looking to draft a RB but do you pass over the BPA because he is one?
And ... if there was any assurance he would actually play.
No I think if Philly moves up for a QB and Dallas takes Ramsey, Elliott immediately becomes in play at 10. Now, if he's there he'd clearly be BPA. The unfortunate part is Reese will likely take Floyd instead.
However, looking at Elliott in isolation, if he can carry the grade at #10 (3-down back, elite play making ability and pass protection skills), I wouldn't have a problem with the pick.
Pro Bowl Schmo Bowl.
A DL or LB is only going to go so far ad we do need both of those but no need to reach if the BEST RB in draft is staring you in the face.
Ah, but will they? Or was that just a Coughlin thing.
I don't want Floyd period .
Would rather them Trade down while getting
another 2nd round pick .
If Jerry plays his cards right we get
four holes filled in the first three rounds .The Bonus would
be a FA RT before the Draft .
He's simply a lot better than the other running backs in this draft.
Question becomes - do the Giants feel like they can get a defensive player in round 2 or 3 that could be just as good as a guy at 10. Or can they get a OL in round 2 or 3 who is just as good as Conklin or Stanley down the road.
I don't think they could, but maybe they think differently. If they take Elliott, they have to absolutely nail picks 40 and 71 or things could get ugly real quick.
but it ain't worth shit in the snow unless the snowplows are out in front.
We're not drafting a 6th RB in the first round.
If we're gonna go shiny new toy, we're better off drafting a WR, we need one of those.
but it ain't worth shit in the snow unless the snowplows are out in front.
We're not drafting a 6th RB in the first round.
If we're gonna go shiny new toy, we're better off drafting a WR, we need one of those.
Well to use your analogy I guess that it depends on whether they view him as a Corvette and the next available player on their board as more of a Hyundai in comparison.
Elliott will not be a serious difference maker in today's game, just an upgrade to one of the few positions where they are already in relatively decent shape.
but it ain't worth shit in the snow unless the snowplows are out in front.
We're not drafting a 6th RB in the first round.
If we're gonna go shiny new toy, we're better off drafting a WR, we need one of those.
Wnd what if the wr isn't as good a player as the rb? Same with the DL or OT or db? What if Ellliot has the higher grade? You take him.
Pick up a RB in the lesser rounds and fortify the OL. Even with no Murray and Romo, the Cowboys finished 10th in rushing last year
Personally at this point in time I don't really care all that much who it is because it is out of my control anyway and I only get invested in the picks after they occur and become NY Giants. Every speculation leading up to that doesn't have any effect on that future result.
Not a fan of LB at pick #10 nor Stanley or Conklin at RT. Only other position I would look at is CB to cover the slot receiver.
Then you don't draft him, simple. If Elliot is the pick, he should get 75% of the carries. Then you have a Jennings spell him. Keep Vareen as a change up and release Williams.
If you draft him, use him. This running back by committee shit has to stop when you have a star RB.
Elliott is at his best on counter run plays, stopping on a dime and transitioning his weight to shoot through holes and dart through the second level of the defense. He displays outstanding vision to quickly read blocks and rarely runs with hesitation, bouncing away from would-be tacklers without slowing down.
WEAKNESSES: Elliott needs to become more consistent as a receiver and needs refinement as a blocker, but it's tough to find weaknesses in his run style, which is why he could projects as one of the top running backs and a likely first-round pick in the 2016 class.
--Dane Brugler (12/1/15)
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If Elliot and Floyd run into each other at full speed... Elliot would win. All there is to say.
He can play, Floyd cannot.