Seems like everyone is mock drafted-out today. Do you think Reese has a loose or tight leash from Giants' FO to trade up in the 1st rd? And who would you think the target is?
But I would assume it's a tight leash given we need all the picks and we need to hit on at least 2, likely 3; therefore, it would have to be a player they agree that if within reach, he can make the move.
We only have 6 picks... that's not great. What are we trading up with? Are we going to trade our first rounder next year? Trade our 2nd rounder and miss out on a top 40 player? No thanks to both. No matter who we get on a trade up we will still have major holes. Trade up and get Ramsey, great... now we have fewer picks to address OT, WR, CB, RB, and LB. Trade up and get Tunsil? OK, we have less picks to get that OT, WR, CB, RB, and LB. We need players, this team has missed on so many picks, we now have to catch up in building talent on this roster. That means more picks.
With that in mind, a trade down is more likely... I'm all for a trade down to 15 with Tennessee and pick up an extra 2nd if they would give it or the first pick in the 3rd round. That's one more player we can add, that we really need... in the heart of the draft where there will still be good players.
We only have 6 picks... that's not great. What are we trading up with? Are we going to trade our first rounder next year? Trade our 2nd rounder and miss out on a top 40 player? No thanks to both. No matter who we get on a trade up we will still have major holes. Trade up and get Ramsey, great... now we have fewer picks to address OT, WR, CB, RB, and LB. Trade up and get Tunsil? OK, we have less picks to get that OT FS, WR, CB, RB, and LB. We need players, this team has missed on so many picks, we now have to catch up in building talent on this roster. That means more picks.
With that in mind, a trade down is more likely... I'm all for a trade down to 15 with Tennessee and pick up an extra 2nd if they would give it or the first pick in the 3rd round. That's one more player we can add, that we really need... in the heart of the draft where there will still be good players.
I know we NEED a lot of picks (even though everyone says Reese can't pick past the 2nd round well)
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of, can Reese do what he wants / make a splash in this draft, given his time is running short with the organization.
I know we NEED a lot of picks (even though everyone says Reese can't pick past the 2nd round well)
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of, can Reese do what he wants / make a splash in this draft, given his time is running short with the organization.
best way to make a splash is draft guys that can a) stay on the field and b) get at least one playmaker.
I'd much rather see if we can fleece another desperate team in a trade down and pick up an extra 2 or future 1. Don't know who we trade up for, unless Ramsay is still there a couple picks before us
giving up a second round pick doesn't sound terrible, and neither does keeping Eli's jersey clean for the rest of his career.
With his off the field concerns it isn't. And Stanley or Conklin should be available at 10. The talent level difference between them and Tunsil isn't worth a 2nd. Also it would probably take more than a 2nd to move up and get Tunsil.
I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio, a few days ago,
when Pat Kiran and Jim Miller did their weekly mock draft, and in Kirwan's scenario, Tunsil was available at #5, and he traded up for the pick, giving up a #2. Whether they would have to give up more? who knows, but I would think Kirwan's scenario is as good as any to go off of.
RE: I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio, a few days ago,
when Pat Kiran and Jim Miller did their weekly mock draft, and in Kirwan's scenario, Tunsil was available at #5, and he traded up for the pick, giving up a #2. Whether they would have to give up more? who knows, but I would think Kirwan's scenario is as good as any to go off of.
There's been lots of talks on Big Blue Kickoff Live about what it would take to get Jacks at #5 and they've been saying it would take a 2nd, 3rd and a 4th. Maybe even two 2nds and a 4th.
There are no super stars this year, and there is a large group of highly ranked players (that are closely ranked) that will be available at 10. Plus the team has too many holes to fill and can't afford to give up any more picks.
And you know I wouldn't trade those two Super Bowl wins... but come on... If Big Ben was the pick at #4 that year and we just sat tight... would we have been any worse off? I highly doubt it.
And you know I wouldn't trade those two Super Bowl wins... but come on... If Big Ben was the pick at #4 that year and we just sat tight... would we have been any worse off? I highly doubt it.
Big Ben would have been driven out of NY by numerous women groups. Maras would have to cut him after the 1st public incident. You can't compare the NYC media markets with that of Pittsburgh.
If Flowers is to be our LT, it isn't wise to even consider a trade-up. The team has too many needs, take Stanley or Conklin at #10. If we were to trade down with, say, Tennesee to let them take Stanley, I would be up for it. We could fill major needs:
15 OT CONKLIN
40 DE OGBAH
45 WR THOMAS
71 CB CANADY
109 ILB WRIGHT
149 OLB STRYKER
184 FS SIMMONS
At least we would have reasonable expectations for depth as well as substantial improvements in areas of weakness. In this scenario, we might even get another 3rd rd pick this year. JMHO.
trade down not up ideally the titans trade the giants down to 15 so they can take stanley (as that is who they wanted its been reported) at our pick we could then take conklin or spriggs at 15 plus 2 second round picks ,maybe more since the cost to trade up seams to have gone up,we could then add a WR,DB,CB,DT,LB,OG (thou i would hope for glasgow in round 3 would challenge for RG now plus some insurance at OC also)
I recall Jerry's interviews post-draft saying as much. They are almost guaranteed to have a player ranked higher than the potential group they'd move down to.
15. conklin or maybe spriggs RT
43. caroo WR
45. kaufusi DE
then with their own picks
40. burns or maybe hall CB/FS
71. glasgow RG/C
109.roberts LB/SS
149.worley CB
184.hamilton DT/NT
with that you finish the OL both RT and RG rebuilt,bring in a WR to contend for #2,a slot corner back,a LB to cover TE maybe contend for 3rd safety,some depth at DT and CB and a situational pass rusher to work into the rotation
I thought I clarified if the Giants will ALLOW REESE TO TRADE UP, but I guess it wasn't enough. I know no one wants to spend picks trading up. Cuz y'all are stingy or "smart".
What if Jack is there for TB at 9 and we get Doug Martin'd again? Maybe we'd trade to the 6th or 7th pick or something like that. I wasn't really talking about moving up to 3 for Ramsey, but it could be on the table.
And you know I wouldn't trade those two Super Bowl wins... but come on... If Big Ben was the pick at #4 that year and we just sat tight... would we have been any worse off? I highly doubt it.
Big Ben would have been driven out of NY by numerous women groups. Maras would have to cut him after the 1st public incident. You can't compare the NYC media markets with that of Pittsburgh.
If Ramsey who has no chance, Tunsil or Bosa were available at 8 and it would only cost a third then I would sign up. Other then that I would stand pat or trade down.
the best option ...
Maybe Lynch is still on the Board Imagine not sure
what team would Trade 1st round spots and give us an
extra 2nd and 3rd round . Say if Denver were to
make the Deal or Lynch .
We could still get great Value
Come away with
1) Doctson
2a) Jason Spriggs RT
2b) Emanual Ogbah OLB
3a) TJ Green FS
3b)Xavien Howard CB
4) Hassan Ridgeway DT
5)Kieth Marshall RB
6)Jake McGee TE
Ok I threw mud at the Wall hoping it sticks
I just think a Trade down with a few extra players
is what the Dr. Ordered .
Doctson is one of the Top WR day one starter
Giants have visited with Sprigs Ogbah is decent
player that can pass rush . I like Greens tape
he really attacks when tackling and has great speed
Howard has good size and athleticism Ridgeway could
find a spot on the PS Marshall has great speed can catch
and stuck behind the Like of Gurley and Chub low
miles . McGee has good hands size and decent blocking ability .
Where they actually land is anybody's guess .
I wouldn't be upset with a trade up to 5. According to the value chart, it would be a third this year and a third next year. Sit tight, take Ramsey, Tunsil, or Bosa. All things even, you walk with the best offensive player in the draft, or one of the top 2 defensive players in the draft, all of which are at a position of need, and retain our 2nd round pick.
Do I think they'll do it? No, but I'd be ecstatic.
Would anyone really argue with:
(Best case scenario)
Rd 1: Ramsey
Rd 2: BPA of OT or WR
(2nd best scenario)
Rd 1: Tunsil
Rd 2: BPA of FS or WR
(Worst case scenario)
Rd 1: Bosa
Rd 2: BPA of OT, WR, or FS
I'm just looking at it from a "How far from a championship are we?" point of view. Personally, I think to make a real run, we're a stud, and 3 solid starters away. In no particular order, I think it's OT, FS, WR, and a LB. I also don't believe we get all 4 from this draft, so that puts us feasibly 2 years away.
Next year, DE becomes a pressing issue, possibly CB as well (though if DRC can play a full season this year that goes away). So, my thought is this, if we can solidify 2 of those 5 needs with potentially good-great players (assuming we can hit in the 2nd round as well), role players can fill the last 3 spots until next offseason.
Basically what I'm saying is, I'd be happy with a gamebreaker (which I view the 3 fellas available at 5) and a good player at 40, and I don't think it sets the team back from its rebuild. The names that I've seen thrown around at 10 just underwhelm me, and who the fuck honestly knows what the Giants will truly get out of anyone past the first 2 rounds, given history as of late. Just food for thought.
No way. Not with just six picks and all of their needs. Jerry will do what he always does. He'll stay where he is and "let talent fall to him."
What he should do is trade down 5-8 spots and pick up an extra pick or two. There may be less questions with #15-20 in this draft than there are with #5-10.
With that in mind, a trade down is more likely... I'm all for a trade down to 15 with Tennessee and pick up an extra 2nd if they would give it or the first pick in the 3rd round. That's one more player we can add, that we really need... in the heart of the draft where there will still be good players.
With that in mind, a trade down is more likely... I'm all for a trade down to 15 with Tennessee and pick up an extra 2nd if they would give it or the first pick in the 3rd round. That's one more player we can add, that we really need... in the heart of the draft where there will still be good players.
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of, can Reese do what he wants / make a splash in this draft, given his time is running short with the organization.
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of, can Reese do what he wants / make a splash in this draft, given his time is running short with the organization.
best way to make a splash is draft guys that can a) stay on the field and b) get at least one playmaker.
It would take more than a 2nd to move from 10 to 5.
With his off the field concerns it isn't. And Stanley or Conklin should be available at 10. The talent level difference between them and Tunsil isn't worth a 2nd. Also it would probably take more than a 2nd to move up and get Tunsil.
There's been lots of talks on Big Blue Kickoff Live about what it would take to get Jacks at #5 and they've been saying it would take a 2nd, 3rd and a 4th. Maybe even two 2nds and a 4th.
If I were drafting, I'd sit tight and hope there is a run on QBs, which looks very possible
You do realize the Giants got Eli Manning via a trade up, right?
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are panicking. Shitty way to run a business.
You do realize the Giants got Eli Manning via a trade up, right?
Technically, it wasn't a trade up.
Big Ben would have been driven out of NY by numerous women groups. Maras would have to cut him after the 1st public incident. You can't compare the NYC media markets with that of Pittsburgh.
15 OT CONKLIN
40 DE OGBAH
45 WR THOMAS
71 CB CANADY
109 ILB WRIGHT
149 OLB STRYKER
184 FS SIMMONS
At least we would have reasonable expectations for depth as well as substantial improvements in areas of weakness. In this scenario, we might even get another 3rd rd pick this year. JMHO.
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are panicking. Shitty way to run a business.
You do realize the Giants got Eli Manning via a trade up, right?
We didn't panic--we overpaid to get a great QB who most thought was going to be a franchise guy.
These teams decided that they NEED a QB in this draft even though most aren't enamored with these QBs--certainly not past Wentz.
The teams trading up are spending draft picks like drunken sailors for less than elite talent, imv.
We need more talent and lots of it.
The teams trading up are spending draft picks like drunken sailors for less than elite talent, imv.
We need more talent and lots of it.
15. conklin or maybe spriggs RT
43. caroo WR
45. kaufusi DE
then with their own picks
40. burns or maybe hall CB/FS
71. glasgow RG/C
109.roberts LB/SS
149.worley CB
184.hamilton DT/NT
with that you finish the OL both RT and RG rebuilt,bring in a WR to contend for #2,a slot corner back,a LB to cover TE maybe contend for 3rd safety,some depth at DT and CB and a situational pass rusher to work into the rotation
We'll get a good player at #10.
What if Jack is there for TB at 9 and we get Doug Martin'd again? Maybe we'd trade to the 6th or 7th pick or something like that. I wasn't really talking about moving up to 3 for Ramsey, but it could be on the table.
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And you know I wouldn't trade those two Super Bowl wins... but come on... If Big Ben was the pick at #4 that year and we just sat tight... would we have been any worse off? I highly doubt it.
Big Ben would have been driven out of NY by numerous women groups. Maras would have to cut him after the 1st public incident. You can't compare the NYC media markets with that of Pittsburgh.
That is complete and utter nonsense.
Maybe Lynch is still on the Board Imagine not sure
what team would Trade 1st round spots and give us an
extra 2nd and 3rd round . Say if Denver were to
make the Deal or Lynch .
We could still get great Value
Come away with
1) Doctson
2a) Jason Spriggs RT
2b) Emanual Ogbah OLB
3a) TJ Green FS
3b)Xavien Howard CB
4) Hassan Ridgeway DT
5)Kieth Marshall RB
6)Jake McGee TE
Ok I threw mud at the Wall hoping it sticks
I just think a Trade down with a few extra players
is what the Dr. Ordered .
Doctson is one of the Top WR day one starter
Giants have visited with Sprigs Ogbah is decent
player that can pass rush . I like Greens tape
he really attacks when tackling and has great speed
Howard has good size and athleticism Ridgeway could
find a spot on the PS Marshall has great speed can catch
and stuck behind the Like of Gurley and Chub low
miles . McGee has good hands size and decent blocking ability .
Where they actually land is anybody's guess .
Do I think they'll do it? No, but I'd be ecstatic.
Would anyone really argue with:
(Best case scenario)
Rd 1: Ramsey
Rd 2: BPA of OT or WR
(2nd best scenario)
Rd 1: Tunsil
Rd 2: BPA of FS or WR
(Worst case scenario)
Rd 1: Bosa
Rd 2: BPA of OT, WR, or FS
I'm just looking at it from a "How far from a championship are we?" point of view. Personally, I think to make a real run, we're a stud, and 3 solid starters away. In no particular order, I think it's OT, FS, WR, and a LB. I also don't believe we get all 4 from this draft, so that puts us feasibly 2 years away.
Next year, DE becomes a pressing issue, possibly CB as well (though if DRC can play a full season this year that goes away). So, my thought is this, if we can solidify 2 of those 5 needs with potentially good-great players (assuming we can hit in the 2nd round as well), role players can fill the last 3 spots until next offseason.
Basically what I'm saying is, I'd be happy with a gamebreaker (which I view the 3 fellas available at 5) and a good player at 40, and I don't think it sets the team back from its rebuild. The names that I've seen thrown around at 10 just underwhelm me, and who the fuck honestly knows what the Giants will truly get out of anyone past the first 2 rounds, given history as of late. Just food for thought.
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This NO is too small for my liking ,LOL
Hell No if anything trade down to 15.
What he should do is trade down 5-8 spots and pick up an extra pick or two. There may be less questions with #15-20 in this draft than there are with #5-10.