there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
Not only did the Giants take quite a bit of grief for the terms of the Eli trade, I don't recall the same level of grief directed toward the Bills for their JP Losman trade or the Redskins for their Jason Campbell trade. Those players were both dumpster fires, too.
Since they traded with the browns it is now 100% certain
teams will pay for a QB. Wow. Cleveland can stay at eight and probably get Lynch. Watch Cook be better than all of them. Not saying it will happen, but it would be typical of the way drafts go.
there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
Not only did the Giants take quite a bit of grief for the terms of the Eli trade, I don't recall the same level of grief directed toward the Bills for their JP Losman trade or the Redskins for their Jason Campbell trade. Those players were both dumpster fires, too.
You're exactly right. The Bills quietly gave up a lot for an absolute turd and no one even knew about it. Same with Campbell. All everyone brought up was the price NY paid for Eli. No one ever acknowledged that Eli was a great prospect and the Giants gave up fair market value to move to 1. IT was typical lazy journalism geared to stir shit up.
or big ramifications of trading Bradford after just resigning him? Would assume he's available now. Cap hit for a 2nd overall pick is 7 mil right? That means the combined hit for all QBS on the team would be 32 right? Someone has to go
But another part is worried. Eagles have a pretty capable front office. If the Eagles get their own version of Eli for the next 10-15 years it's gonna be a bummer.
there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
How do you know? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
I'm not happy about this... Sure, on paper it seems like it's a kings ransom, but if one or both of these QB's are the real deal, then this really stinks. None of us know for sure, so speaking in definitive is foolish.
But another part is worried. Eagles have a pretty capable front office.
They do?
They've been competitive for like 12 years, with some really excellent teams along the way. Every team makes some mistakes but overall I think they do pretty well.
If I'm the Browns, and the Titans still want to move up..
I trade down again.
That roster is in need of 20-25 players before they can be truly competitive in their division. If they can pick up another 3rd rounder, it would be well worth it.
The Browns are going to be bad again this year. If their is QB they like in next year's draft, they will be in a great position to go get him.
if Lynch is taken before us... I tend to think not.
Honestly it doesn't change a whole lot but likely confirm what most of us have suspected... that Goff and Wentz will go before our pick. Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa are all probably going before us. I'm guessing someone may take Elliott in the top 10. Right now that would probably have to be the Browns at #8, because Tampa has Martin at #9, and I don't think Baalke/Chip is going go RB at #7 with the Niners. If one of them take Lynch, I think we can get Jack. Which would be phenomenal. Still a chance that Jack goes at 5 to Jacksonville, though, or at #7 to the Niners.
But another part is worried. Eagles have a pretty capable front office.
They do?
They've been competitive for like 12 years, with some really excellent teams along the way. Every team makes some mistakes but overall I think they do pretty well.
That's when they had guys like Modrak, Gamble and Heckert. Now they have Howie Roseman.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
if Lynch is taken before us... I tend to think not.
Honestly it doesn't change a whole lot but likely confirm what most of us have suspected... that Goff and Wentz will go before our pick. Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa are all probably going before us. I'm guessing someone may take Elliott in the top 10. Right now that would probably have to be the Browns at #8, because Tampa has Martin at #9, and I don't think Baalke/Chip is going go RB at #7 with the Niners. If one of them take Lynch, I think we can get Jack. Which would be phenomenal. Still a chance that Jack goes at 5 to Jacksonville, though, or at #7 to the Niners.
For me, it changes a lot in that that's one less division team that can draft Elliott, assuming he's the super goods
Just in case there is still confusion on the picks -
The Browns get the 2016 first-round pick (No. 8 overall), the Eagles' third-round and fourth-round picks in 2016. They also get the Eagles' 2017 first-round pick and the Eagles' 2018 second-rounder.
The Eagles will get the Browns' 2016 first-round pick (no. 2 overall) and a conditional fourth-round pick from the the Browns in the 2017 draft.
but I'm not ready to celebrate what Philly gave up. If Wentz or Goff turn out to be the goods (and Philly has far better assessment skills than I do), they will be a team with a franchise quarterback just as we are winding down ours.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
Eagles also gave up a #1 next season, and a #2 in 2018. So...yeah.
Howie just got trigger happy in a desire to separate himself from Chip and to make himself the sports name in Philly now that CHip and and Hinkie are gone-- but that's wishful thinking.
but I'm not ready to celebrate what Philly gave up. If Wentz or Goff turn out to be the goods (and Philly has far better assessment skills than I do), they will be a team with a franchise quarterback just as we are winding down ours.
I like it for Cleveland because Goff-Wentz are not Winston-Mariota. It's a step down in quality.
I trade down again. That roster is in need of 20-25 players before they can be truly competitive in their division. If they can pick up another 3rd rounder, it would be well worth it.
The Browns are going to be bad again this year. If their is QB they like in next year's draft, they will be in a great position to go get him.
That's a bit of hyperbole, don't ya think? It's not like the Titans don't have some good players.
Surprising.. their OL has been in shambles. They desperately need help there. Rivers has been getting his ass kicked and Tunsil seems like a sure thing.
but I'm not ready to celebrate what Philly gave up. If Wentz or Goff turn out to be the goods (and Philly has far better assessment skills than I do), they will be a team with a franchise quarterback just as we are winding down ours.
I'm not in love with any of the QB prospects, but I do think they're talented. I just don't know if they're blue chippers that you typically see at the very top of the draft. Hopefully, when Eli winds down, we have a shot at Rosen in UCLA.
The pursuit of the franchise quarterback is a dangerous game
1. After having watched him get interviewed quite a few times, I've come to like Wentz. He seems like a good guy, and pretty level headed.
I am going to hate having to root against him.
2. I am of the belief that Wentz could turn out to be be a true franchise QB, and if so nobody will care how much was traded for the guy 3 years from now.
He's big, powerful arm, accurate passes, and can run.
This is a potentially dangerous guy.
Eli is not going to play forever, and we may be looking at the best QB in the division 5 years from now.
We can't expect our division rivals not to make moves
it may or may not pan out, and it's high risk high reward. I'm hoping it's a bust, or atleast keeps the Eagles from drafting other playermakers this year and next. In a draft that doesn't have a sure fire franchise QB, the Eagles trading up to get the possible next best QB in the draft is a good thing for non Eagle fans.
about Philly giving up 19 picks to move up just 7 spots where they will probably pick a QB, who has never played a down in the NFL--one of the two "top QB's" that nobody gave much respect to, and the worry is that they will nab their franchise QB? For reals?
The big worry here is Dallas getting Ramsey. I wonder if we're talking to SD? (GAH)
RE: 2 things bother me about this Phila trade for Wentz
1. After having watched him get interviewed quite a few times, I've come to like Wentz. He seems like a good guy, and pretty level headed.
I am going to hate having to root against him.
2. I am of the belief that Wentz could turn out to be be a true franchise QB, and if so nobody will care how much was traded for the guy 3 years from now.
He's big, powerful arm, accurate passes, and can run.
This is a potentially dangerous guy.
Eli is not going to play forever, and we may be looking at the best QB in the division 5 years from now.
I think Wentz is better than most people on BBI want to give him credit for. I'm in the belief too that he'll be pretty good. Hopefully 1- the time it takes Philly to surround him with sufficient talent will be after Eli retires and 2- he isn't good enough to lead a deep playoff run even if he's solid in the regular season
RE: RE: If I'm the Browns, and the Titans still want to move up..
I trade down again.
That roster is in need of 20-25 players before they can be truly competitive in their division. If they can pick up another 3rd rounder, it would be well worth it.
The Browns are going to be bad again this year. If their is QB they like in next year's draft, they will be in a great position to go get him.
That's a bit of hyperbole, don't ya think? It's not like the Titans don't have some good players.
I believe you meant the Browns in your comment, and will respond if as so.
No, I don't believe it is hyperbole. Look at their roster...for a bad football team to lose in one offseason their starting C, RT, OLB, and FS is brutal.
They have no real offensive threats (Duke Johnson is a possibility, but not proven yet), no pass rush, their best QB is over 30, and their QB seems to be a walking medical clinic.
So, no, they need 20-25 players to be competitive within their own division.
In football, that financial stuff is more excusable than drugs, domestic violence and outright theft.
True and one reason I said FWIW. But that article also references a previous article by another writer for same paper about guaranteed dollars invested in the current OTs, questionable as the quality may be. Link - ( New Window )
The good news is QB's going 1 and 2 has at-most worked out once in history (no clue about Plunkett/Manning I know Plunkett has a SB MVP and Archie played a while, not sure if they were worth #1/2). Odds are not in their favor.
whomever the QB is doesn't get a chance with Philly until 2017 and it isn't like there will be a lot of picks in the cupboard to use to help him out.
Picking a franchise QB isn't just about the player, it is about fit, luck and timing. Don't know about the luck aspect, but hard to say if the pick is a good fit and the timing sure looks like shit since bradford and Daniel are on the roster for 2016.
This really looks like good news for NYG, DAL ans WAS
to consider about Wentz is that he was born and raised in North Dakota and went to college at ND State. It will be HUGE transition to now have to live in Philadelphia and play for that "special" fan-base. Assuming he's their pick, of course.
It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
how do you trade up and don't have a target you love? He basically is trading a ton for sloppy seconds? LOL
RE: RE: Howie just admitted he doesn't care which QB he takes
get wrapped up in the Mock drafts and projections and forget that the teams making choices have their own people, their own projections and a lot of that is based on their team set up, dynamic, coaching staff and what they are trying to accomplish. To kill a team for doing this trade is just plain dumb.
We assume Eagles want a QB. That may or may not be the case but either way if it is then they know what they want and know staying at 8 won't do it.
For those that are laughing about Lynch being a pick in top 10, don't be surprised if he is. Think about last season. The eagles died with horrible QB play, Buffalo had average QB play, Browns horrible, Texans had nothing at QB, SF was a shell with its QB's, Pittsburgh after Big Ben was nothing, Bengals fall right out of SB contention once Dalton was hurt, Dallas died with no QB after Romo, Arizona had nothing without Palmer and even with Palmer he started showing signs of wearing down etc... Teams see a major QV drought right now and getting one is becoming VERY important. Denver won the SB and is now looking for a QB.
I could see Lynch going to 49ers, Browns, Cowboys, Bills, or Cardinals. The Redskins are not completely sold on Cousins and they could snag Hackenberg later in rd 1.
think both Goff and Wentz will be good Qbs .I have been on the Paxton Lynch bandwagon since September and I think he may be the best but how funny would it be if Conner Cook or Jake Coker become better than all 3 of them which can very well happen
there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
Not only did the Giants take quite a bit of grief for the terms of the Eli trade, I don't recall the same level of grief directed toward the Bills for their JP Losman trade or the Redskins for their Jason Campbell trade. Those players were both dumpster fires, too.
Agreed. Although Campbell wasnt helped by the old ball coach Spurrier, who didnt give him an OL.
Howie just got trigger happy in a desire to separate himself from Chip and to make himself the sports name in Philly now that CHip and and Hinkie are gone-- but that's wishful thinking.
Paul, their entire offseason has that written all over it, other than resigning Bradford.
It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
Yeah, the Eagles are so stacked with talent that nobody drafted in the entire 2nd or 3rd round can help them. Roseman must be delusional.
It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
WTF...no player to help on Day 2 or 3? Are you kidding?
RE: Which means Cowboys take either Elliot or Bosa?
are taken in the top 9, don't even think about trading down. You sit at #10 and take the guy that just fell into your lap. There is a legit possibility that Jack falls to ten in that scenario, and if Jack doesn't fall Bosa, Buckner, and or Elliot will. I don't think the Giants take Elliot. If Jack is on the board, my order of preference is:
It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
WTF...no player to help on Day 2 or 3? Are you kidding?
I know. Isnt that incredible?
I just think its crazy to give that amount up for either Goff or Wentz. Especially if its Wentz, a QB from North Dakota State. Its one thing to use the first or second pick in the draft on either one. Its quite another to make these types of trades to get them.
RE: RE: Which means Cowboys take either Elliot or Bosa?
the quotes from Rosseman are more disturbing if you're an Eagles fan.
Doesn't care which QB is there? No picks could help the team in rounds 2 and 3?
These are things a GM does not say.
Do you like Vanilla or Chocolate? Pepperoni or Sausage? Food analogies to explain the Eagles position. I guess without other picks there will be no napkins.
to Roseman, he can't say "we traded up for Wentz" because if the Rams somehow have a change of heart and take Wentz (all reports are saying it's Goff, but you never know) - that would look really dumb.
and even more so I think the NFL does NOT want the first pick given away since they now have a BIG Thursday night show for the draft. If the 1st pick is known then the second is known too. No need to tune into the draft until the #3 pick is up...
not really same thing. Neither guy is listed as a can't miss prospect. In Manning you knew he was a QB and would be an NFL QB for years. In Leaf he was a younger guy with a cannon of an Arm and tons of POTENTIAL.. But, he was no guarantee.
In this case it is just two guys pretty darn equal without much fanfare but neither is can't miss either.
Or maybe I jumped the gun. Maybe it's a trade up for Tunsil?
Would they move that far up for a LT even if they don't have a certified Franchise QB? (serious question)
I think they must love the top 2 QBs and no matter who the Rams take - the Eagles are going to be happy enough with the remaining guy to make a move like this .... I mean sure, they probably have a preference if you put a gun to their collective head but, I don't think they give up that much for a LT to protect who Stafford? He might not even be on their team next year?
Second, I think there play here is that when Eli and Romo are hanging it up they will have a developed QB to win while we are rebuilding, makes no other sense to do it this year other than that. With that said, if you draft an elite QB you can have my whole draft for that year. That is how valuable those guys are. No clue if Wentz or Goff is that guy, especially Wentz---nobody can speak intelligently about him since most people on here haven't seen him take a live snap.
My view is anytime my opponent makes a move they think for a franchise QB, I get nervous.
a smoke screen, but he said they moved up for a QB.
there is no drama here. no suspense.
Conventional wisdom says the Rams are taking Goff the Eagles Wentz.
I think the only logical narrative here is that Roseman meant what he said, and would be happy with either of the 2 big QBs. The Eagles gave up a lot. You don't do that unless you're going for a franchise QB. So I accept at face value that they're taking a QB.
Then the remaining question is, which one do they want? Once again, I believe that he is happy with either. As much as the Eagles just gave up, the Rams gave up even more. Philly knows this.
Then you have to assume that the Rams didn't reveal their cards. What good would it do them to reveal who they're going for? That would allow the Eagles (a team in the Rams' conference) to make this trade with the Browns (a team that isn't) knowing that their guy would still be on the board. It's in the Rams' best interest to stay tight-lipped. If the Eagles had a specific QB in mind, that would be a lot to give up for someone who could potentially be off the board come the #2 pick.
Therefore, I just believe them. They would be happy with either QB and know at least one will be there. I'm not sure about the merits of the deal itself as I don't know much about these kids, but I believe the Eagles' claims.
and even more so I think the NFL does NOT want the first pick given away since they now have a BIG Thursday night show for the draft. If the 1st pick is known then the second is known too. No need to tune into the draft until the #3 pick is up...
Right...and all reports are that Goff is the choice at 1 - but everyone was saying the Rams loved Wentz throughout the whole process - and now it's changed they love Goff.
It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
Yeah, the Eagles are so stacked with talent that nobody drafted in the entire 2nd or 3rd round can help them. Roseman must be delusional.
I would assume he meant he didn't think there was any Day 2 QB that could help the Eagles. If he really thought no good players would be available after day 1, he should fire his entire scouting department.
Or maybe they go with Cook or Hackenberg in the 2nd. That's if Cook makes it that far.
They could target either one, and let him sit for a year behind RGIII. As others have said, they probably arent going to be very good this year anyway. But now they have the pieces to build a decent team, assuming they draft well.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
I was thinking that as well, but even leaving out the 2018 second rounder, as you did, it is still quite a haul for Cleveland. Imagine all the picks were from this years draft. So the 2017 first becomes a 2016 second, the 2016 3rd and 4th stay as is. I'll go ahead and discount the 2018 second because it is roughly canceled out, by the 2017 4th the Eagles get back (maybe slightly higher value for a 2018 2nd than a 2017 4th, but not much).
So, Phi gave up the equivalent of picks, round 1-4 to move up from #8 to #2. Meh, maybe the Browns did not need to kick any picks back the Eagles way, however even as constructed, this is a good deal for the Browns.
Will be taking a QB, there is no doubt about that. Those HOPING it will be Elliot, wish in one hand and shit in the other. They are not that stupid and kick our asses all the time, so I would not call them idiots and wouldn't even hope it's Elliot, because that would be as stupid a move as there has ever been, only Ditka would top it.
If the Eagles take Zeke at two there might be riots
If Cleveland takes a left tackle (Stanley, Tunsil)
If we can trade #10 with Titans at #15 for 2nd rnd
Would you trade multiple picks with Cleveland for Joe Thomas
Say extra 2nd this year and a 1 or 2 next year
We could then possibly pick Apple or jones with 15
If you think the Eagles haven't done their due diligence and checked with the Rams PRIOR to making the trade with the Browns, you are delusional. The Eagles know very well who they're going to take. It's Wentz. BTW, the Eagles DON'T have a second round pick because The Nutty Professor (Chip Kelly) pissed it away to the Rams for Bradford.
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It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
how do you trade up and don't have a target you love? He basically is trading a ton for sloppy seconds? LOL
We can only guess what players occupy Reese's Rows, but even if three QBs go before we pick at #10 (if we stay put), isn't it the case that any of the guys now forecast to be available, Jack (condition of his knee, high risk?), Hargreaves (skinny DB, not much height), Floyd (no need to repeat), Stanley or Conklin (value at #10?)--does it fundamentally change the equation or point to a run-to-the-podium pick??
Or does it point more toward a trade down scenario because of the increased number of desirable picks likely to be available at, say, #15?
Whether or not the Eagles get a franchise QB (which I agree any team really needs), you also need to surround that QB with 21 other starters. Trading away so much diminishes a team's chances of doing that and lowers the chance of being successful. In that regard, the Eagles have just paid a king's ransom no matter how the QB turns outand of course I am hoping it is a major bust :-)
and may end up being better than Winston. Only Cleveland would trade out of the spot they were in.
Still, I like seeing the Eagles give up all of these picks. I think that helps us in the short run.
Bullshit. Mariota is very good and Winston is going to be very, very good. Neither Wentz or Goff have shown anything that would indicate they will be better than Winston (IMHO).
Oh Howie. How I love you. Hahahahahaha
He has to be dumping Bradford???
Browns get #8 ovrall, 16 3rd, 17 4th, 18 2nd.
Browns get #8 ovrall, 16 3rd, 17 4th, 18 2nd.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
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Oh Howie. How I love you. Hahahahahaha
He has to be dumping Bradford???
After this year, yes.
Yeah, it would be just like them to take Lynch at 8.
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Eagles get #2 pick and 2017 4th
Browns get #8 ovrall, 16 3rd, 17 4th, 18 2nd.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
This is nothing but good news for G-Men.
This is nothing but good news for G-Men.
An 8 player draft including the QBs?
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
Not only did the Giants take quite a bit of grief for the terms of the Eli trade, I don't recall the same level of grief directed toward the Bills for their JP Losman trade or the Redskins for their Jason Campbell trade. Those players were both dumpster fires, too.
2. Wentz
3. Tunsil
4. Ramsey
5. Bosa?
6. Buckner
7. Stanley
8. Lynch
9. Jack? Floyd? Hargreaves?
Giants should have a choice of two of those three.
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there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
Not only did the Giants take quite a bit of grief for the terms of the Eli trade, I don't recall the same level of grief directed toward the Bills for their JP Losman trade or the Redskins for their Jason Campbell trade. Those players were both dumpster fires, too.
You're exactly right. The Bills quietly gave up a lot for an absolute turd and no one even knew about it. Same with Campbell. All everyone brought up was the price NY paid for Eli. No one ever acknowledged that Eli was a great prospect and the Giants gave up fair market value to move to 1. IT was typical lazy journalism geared to stir shit up.
Or maybe I jumped the gun. Maybe it's a trade up for Tunsil?
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I guess they have a man-crush on Wentz
Or maybe I jumped the gun. Maybe it's a trade up for Tunsil?
No chance they just gave that up for Tunsil. It's got to be one of the QB's.
I read this morning that Jared Goff was telling his friends the Rams were taking him.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
How do you know? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
They do?
I read this morning that Jared Goff was telling his friends the Rams were taking him.
PR-wise, I'd bet the farm on LA taking the California product
Still think they take Ramsey. If Chargers take Ramsey, they may take one of those 2.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
I'm not happy about this... Sure, on paper it seems like it's a kings ransom, but if one or both of these QB's are the real deal, then this really stinks. None of us know for sure, so speaking in definitive is foolish.
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But another part is worried. Eagles have a pretty capable front office.
They do?
They've been competitive for like 12 years, with some really excellent teams along the way. Every team makes some mistakes but overall I think they do pretty well.
That roster is in need of 20-25 players before they can be truly competitive in their division. If they can pick up another 3rd rounder, it would be well worth it.
The Browns are going to be bad again this year. If their is QB they like in next year's draft, they will be in a great position to go get him.
Just gotta scrap together right side OL and a few more pieces...
The storm is on the horizon
Honestly it doesn't change a whole lot but likely confirm what most of us have suspected... that Goff and Wentz will go before our pick. Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa are all probably going before us. I'm guessing someone may take Elliott in the top 10. Right now that would probably have to be the Browns at #8, because Tampa has Martin at #9, and I don't think Baalke/Chip is going go RB at #7 with the Niners. If one of them take Lynch, I think we can get Jack. Which would be phenomenal. Still a chance that Jack goes at 5 to Jacksonville, though, or at #7 to the Niners.
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But another part is worried. Eagles have a pretty capable front office.
They do?
They've been competitive for like 12 years, with some really excellent teams along the way. Every team makes some mistakes but overall I think they do pretty well.
That's when they had guys like Modrak, Gamble and Heckert. Now they have Howie Roseman.
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Eagles get #2 pick and 2017 4th
Browns get #8 ovrall, 16 3rd, 17 4th, 18 2nd.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
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I guess they have a man-crush on Wentz
Or maybe I jumped the gun. Maybe it's a trade up for Tunsil?
No chance they just gave that up for Tunsil. It's got to be one of the QB's.
I don't know. They need an OT as well and the timing of it is odd. What if Los Angeles takes their guy? We do know that LA won't take Tunsil.
Agree, although they need both a LT and a FS, Tunsil is a little better.
Honestly it doesn't change a whole lot but likely confirm what most of us have suspected... that Goff and Wentz will go before our pick. Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa are all probably going before us. I'm guessing someone may take Elliott in the top 10. Right now that would probably have to be the Browns at #8, because Tampa has Martin at #9, and I don't think Baalke/Chip is going go RB at #7 with the Niners. If one of them take Lynch, I think we can get Jack. Which would be phenomenal. Still a chance that Jack goes at 5 to Jacksonville, though, or at #7 to the Niners.
For me, it changes a lot in that that's one less division team that can draft Elliott, assuming he's the super goods
The Eagles will get the Browns' 2016 first-round pick (no. 2 overall) and a conditional fourth-round pick from the the Browns in the 2017 draft.
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How shitty would that be
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I guess they have a man-crush on Wentz
Or maybe I jumped the gun. Maybe it's a trade up for Tunsil?
No chance they just gave that up for Tunsil. It's got to be one of the QB's.
I don't know. They need an OT as well and the timing of it is odd. What if Los Angeles takes their guy? We do know that LA won't take Tunsil.
They either like both QB's enough to be happy either way or more likely, they already know LA is taking Goff and wanted to make a move to get Wentz.
I really don't think they made this move so that they could take Tunsil. I'd be surprised.
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Eagles get #2 pick and 2017 4th
Browns get #8 ovrall, 16 3rd, 17 4th, 18 2nd.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
They get a # 1 next year.
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Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
Eagles also gave up a #1 next season, and a #2 in 2018. So...yeah.
I like it for Cleveland because Goff-Wentz are not Winston-Mariota. It's a step down in quality.
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Hmm. The Ravens will be very happy then
That roster is in need of 20-25 players before they can be truly competitive in their division. If they can pick up another 3rd rounder, it would be well worth it.
The Browns are going to be bad again this year. If their is QB they like in next year's draft, they will be in a great position to go get him.
That's a bit of hyperbole, don't ya think? It's not like the Titans don't have some good players.
In football, that financial stuff is more excusable than drugs, domestic violence and outright theft.
Surprising.. their OL has been in shambles. They desperately need help there. Rivers has been getting his ass kicked and Tunsil seems like a sure thing.
I'm not in love with any of the QB prospects, but I do think they're talented. I just don't know if they're blue chippers that you typically see at the very top of the draft. Hopefully, when Eli winds down, we have a shot at Rosen in UCLA.
I am going to hate having to root against him.
2. I am of the belief that Wentz could turn out to be be a true franchise QB, and if so nobody will care how much was traded for the guy 3 years from now.
He's big, powerful arm, accurate passes, and can run.
This is a potentially dangerous guy.
Eli is not going to play forever, and we may be looking at the best QB in the division 5 years from now.
1- Goff
2- Wentz
3- Tunsil
4- Ramsey
5- Buckner
players likely gone before 10 but not 100%:
6- Jack
7- Bosa
8- Lynch
Leave us with 4 of Floyd, Stanley, Elliot, Conklin, Hargraeves
Not too bad. Would prefer to stay away from Floyd or Elliot but I wouldn't be too upset.
The big worry here is Dallas getting Ramsey. I wonder if we're talking to SD? (GAH)
I am going to hate having to root against him.
2. I am of the belief that Wentz could turn out to be be a true franchise QB, and if so nobody will care how much was traded for the guy 3 years from now.
He's big, powerful arm, accurate passes, and can run.
This is a potentially dangerous guy.
Eli is not going to play forever, and we may be looking at the best QB in the division 5 years from now.
I think Wentz is better than most people on BBI want to give him credit for. I'm in the belief too that he'll be pretty good. Hopefully 1- the time it takes Philly to surround him with sufficient talent will be after Eli retires and 2- he isn't good enough to lead a deep playoff run even if he's solid in the regular season
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I trade down again.
That roster is in need of 20-25 players before they can be truly competitive in their division. If they can pick up another 3rd rounder, it would be well worth it.
The Browns are going to be bad again this year. If their is QB they like in next year's draft, they will be in a great position to go get him.
That's a bit of hyperbole, don't ya think? It's not like the Titans don't have some good players.
I believe you meant the Browns in your comment, and will respond if as so.
No, I don't believe it is hyperbole. Look at their roster...for a bad football team to lose in one offseason their starting C, RT, OLB, and FS is brutal.
They have no real offensive threats (Duke Johnson is a possibility, but not proven yet), no pass rush, their best QB is over 30, and their QB seems to be a walking medical clinic.
So, no, they need 20-25 players to be competitive within their own division.
In football, that financial stuff is more excusable than drugs, domestic violence and outright theft.
True and one reason I said FWIW. But that article also references a previous article by another writer for same paper about guaranteed dollars invested in the current OTs, questionable as the quality may be.
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Still, I like seeing the Eagles give up all of these picks. I think that helps us in the short run.
Roseman: Doesn't know who the Rams will select first. We know who we're going to get at No. 2.
The good news is QB's going 1 and 2 has at-most worked out once in history (no clue about Plunkett/Manning I know Plunkett has a SB MVP and Archie played a while, not sure if they were worth #1/2). Odds are not in their favor.
Picking a franchise QB isn't just about the player, it is about fit, luck and timing. Don't know about the luck aspect, but hard to say if the pick is a good fit and the timing sure looks like shit since bradford and Daniel are on the roster for 2016.
This really looks like good news for NYG, DAL ans WAS
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Roseman: Doesn't know who the Rams will select first. We know who we're going to get at No. 2.
Wouldn't that mean that they are not taking a QB?
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Roseman on if the #Eagles preferred Goff or Wentz: "It's like vanilla or chocolate."
Still, I like seeing the Eagles give up all of these picks. I think that helps us in the short run.
LOL, even last year they said those two wouldn't be better Winston and Mariota.
He asked Ray Didinger (sportswriter) which one he liked better. Howie is clueless...
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Wouldn't that mean that they are not taking a QB?
You're thinking logically.
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Quarterback to watch for Cleveland: Paxton Lynch.
3 QB's taken in top 10!!!
how do you trade up and don't have a target you love? He basically is trading a ton for sloppy seconds? LOL
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from the two. Incredible to admit.
He asked Ray Didinger (sportswriter) which one he liked better. Howie is clueless...
ROFL. I know. This is a clusterfuck interview going on right now.
We assume Eagles want a QB. That may or may not be the case but either way if it is then they know what they want and know staying at 8 won't do it.
For those that are laughing about Lynch being a pick in top 10, don't be surprised if he is. Think about last season. The eagles died with horrible QB play, Buffalo had average QB play, Browns horrible, Texans had nothing at QB, SF was a shell with its QB's, Pittsburgh after Big Ben was nothing, Bengals fall right out of SB contention once Dalton was hurt, Dallas died with no QB after Romo, Arizona had nothing without Palmer and even with Palmer he started showing signs of wearing down etc... Teams see a major QV drought right now and getting one is becoming VERY important. Denver won the SB and is now looking for a QB.
I could see Lynch going to 49ers, Browns, Cowboys, Bills, or Cardinals. The Redskins are not completely sold on Cousins and they could snag Hackenberg later in rd 1.
3 QB's in top 10 would be awesome.
at least that's how people like Michael Silver make it sound.
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Quarterback to watch for Cleveland: Paxton Lynch.
3 QB's taken in top 10!!!
Well, San Fran drafts at #7, and we know their coach is all about the QB. Lynch may not be there at #8.
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Quarterback to watch for Cleveland: Paxton Lynch.
3 QB's taken in top 10!!!
Well, San Fran drafts at #7, and we know their coach is all about the QB. Lynch may not be there at #8.
Knowing the Browns, they could take Connor Cook at 8. Which would free up another player for the Giants.
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there is no ELi in this draft. There is no Winston in this draft. There isn't a Luck or Newton in this draft.
I still haven't processed what the Eagles actually gave up but these teams (Rams Philly) moving up to get the QB seem to have their priorities out of wack this season. Of all drafts this isn't the time to move up for the QB.
If they get lucky so be it, but there isn't a QB in this draft that comes close to Eli as a prospect. Again I have to say that the shit the grief the Giants took back in 04 when they moved up was moronic and ridiculous. THESE teams In LA and Philly should be getting that grief and then some...
Not only did the Giants take quite a bit of grief for the terms of the Eli trade, I don't recall the same level of grief directed toward the Bills for their JP Losman trade or the Redskins for their Jason Campbell trade. Those players were both dumpster fires, too.
Agreed. Although Campbell wasnt helped by the old ball coach Spurrier, who didnt give him an OL.
Paul, their entire offseason has that written all over it, other than resigning Bradford.
Yeah, the Eagles are so stacked with talent that nobody drafted in the entire 2nd or 3rd round can help them. Roseman must be delusional.
WTF...no player to help on Day 2 or 3? Are you kidding?
Or Jalen Ramsey unless SD nabs him.
Jack
Floyd
Hargreaves
Stanley/Conklin
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It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
WTF...no player to help on Day 2 or 3? Are you kidding?
I know. Isnt that incredible?
I just think its crazy to give that amount up for either Goff or Wentz. Especially if its Wentz, a QB from North Dakota State. Its one thing to use the first or second pick in the draft on either one. Its quite another to make these types of trades to get them.
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Or Jalen Ramsey unless SD nabs him.
A lot of speculation SD takes Ramsey.
I hope the Cowboys trade up with SD to move up 1 spot and give up a ton of picks to do it.
Doesn't care which QB is there? No picks could help the team in rounds 2 and 3?
These are things a GM does not say.
Doesn't care which QB is there? No picks could help the team in rounds 2 and 3?
These are things a GM does not say.
Do you like Vanilla or Chocolate? Pepperoni or Sausage? Food analogies to explain the Eagles position. I guess without other picks there will be no napkins.
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Yup, HOF rant from EDP.
I'm hoping it's more like Tim Couch and Akili Smith!
Or maybe they go with Cook or Hackenberg in the 2nd. That's if Cook makes it that far.
In this case it is just two guys pretty darn equal without much fanfare but neither is can't miss either.
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I guess they have a man-crush on Wentz
Or maybe I jumped the gun. Maybe it's a trade up for Tunsil?
Would they move that far up for a LT even if they don't have a certified Franchise QB? (serious question)
I think they must love the top 2 QBs and no matter who the Rams take - the Eagles are going to be happy enough with the remaining guy to make a move like this .... I mean sure, they probably have a preference if you put a gun to their collective head but, I don't think they give up that much for a LT to protect who Stafford? He might not even be on their team next year?
there is no drama here. no suspense.
Conventional wisdom says the Rams are taking Goff the Eagles Wentz.
My view is anytime my opponent makes a move they think for a franchise QB, I get nervous.
Thank-you Dave ... forgot all about this guy (off-season).
there is no drama here. no suspense.
Conventional wisdom says the Rams are taking Goff the Eagles Wentz.
I think the only logical narrative here is that Roseman meant what he said, and would be happy with either of the 2 big QBs. The Eagles gave up a lot. You don't do that unless you're going for a franchise QB. So I accept at face value that they're taking a QB.
Then the remaining question is, which one do they want? Once again, I believe that he is happy with either. As much as the Eagles just gave up, the Rams gave up even more. Philly knows this.
Then you have to assume that the Rams didn't reveal their cards. What good would it do them to reveal who they're going for? That would allow the Eagles (a team in the Rams' conference) to make this trade with the Browns (a team that isn't) knowing that their guy would still be on the board. It's in the Rams' best interest to stay tight-lipped. If the Eagles had a specific QB in mind, that would be a lot to give up for someone who could potentially be off the board come the #2 pick.
Therefore, I just believe them. They would be happy with either QB and know at least one will be there. I'm not sure about the merits of the deal itself as I don't know much about these kids, but I believe the Eagles' claims.
Right...and all reports are that Goff is the choice at 1 - but everyone was saying the Rams loved Wentz throughout the whole process - and now it's changed they love Goff.
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This is Manning/Leaf redux.
I'm hoping it's more like Tim Couch and Akili Smith!
Well Eagles got McNabb #2 in that draft. I'd prefer they don't do that well this time.
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It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
Yeah, the Eagles are so stacked with talent that nobody drafted in the entire 2nd or 3rd round can help them. Roseman must be delusional.
I would assume he meant he didn't think there was any Day 2 QB that could help the Eagles. If he really thought no good players would be available after day 1, he should fire his entire scouting department.
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Who knows?
Or maybe they go with Cook or Hackenberg in the 2nd. That's if Cook makes it that far.
They could target either one, and let him sit for a year behind RGIII. As others have said, they probably arent going to be very good this year anyway. But now they have the pieces to build a decent team, assuming they draft well.
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Eagles get #2 pick and 2017 4th
Browns get #8 ovrall, 16 3rd, 17 4th, 18 2nd.
It's a 3rd and 4th in 2016 and a 1st in 2017 along with a 2018 2nd.
Maybe I am wrong but, I think the Browns got hosed. It seems a move from 8th to 2nd demands more than the 8th + a 3rd rd pick and swapping their 4th rd picks this year. Tell me where I am wrong.
I was thinking that as well, but even leaving out the 2018 second rounder, as you did, it is still quite a haul for Cleveland. Imagine all the picks were from this years draft. So the 2017 first becomes a 2016 second, the 2016 3rd and 4th stay as is. I'll go ahead and discount the 2018 second because it is roughly canceled out, by the 2017 4th the Eagles get back (maybe slightly higher value for a 2018 2nd than a 2017 4th, but not much).
So, Phi gave up the equivalent of picks, round 1-4 to move up from #8 to #2. Meh, maybe the Browns did not need to kick any picks back the Eagles way, however even as constructed, this is a good deal for the Browns.
8 to 2 should be similar.
the Eagles gave up their 2016 1st, 3rd, 4th, 2017 1st and 2018 2nd.
you can discount future year picks all you want, but when the 2017 draft is better than the 2016 draft that discount seems silly (if it is).
If we can trade #10 with Titans at #15 for 2nd rnd
Would you trade multiple picks with Cleveland for Joe Thomas
Say extra 2nd this year and a 1 or 2 next year
We could then possibly pick Apple or jones with 15
Good for the Giants though
If you think the Eagles haven't done their due diligence and checked with the Rams PRIOR to making the trade with the Browns, you are delusional. The Eagles know very well who they're going to take. It's Wentz. BTW, the Eagles DON'T have a second round pick because The Nutty Professor (Chip Kelly) pissed it away to the Rams for Bradford.
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It will be a QB. He'll be happy with either Wentz or Goff and that Bradford is the QB this year. Didn't think there was any player to draft on Friday (rd2 & 3) That would help the Eagles. All this said in his interview on NFLN.
how do you trade up and don't have a target you love? He basically is trading a ton for sloppy seconds? LOL
Or does it point more toward a trade down scenario because of the increased number of desirable picks likely to be available at, say, #15?
Still, I like seeing the Eagles give up all of these picks. I think that helps us in the short run.
Bullshit. Mariota is very good and Winston is going to be very, very good. Neither Wentz or Goff have shown anything that would indicate they will be better than Winston (IMHO).