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Josh Norman a Free Agent

Jon in NYC : 4/20/2016 5:29 pm
Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 52s53 seconds ago
Panthers announce they've rescinded the franchise tag from Josh Norman. He's a free agent. Holy...

What a curveball.

Can't see the Giants taking a look.
Damn  
Giantology : 4/20/2016 5:30 pm : link
I'd actually love him in Giants blue, despite all the OBJ nonsense and his seemingly big ego
Can the Giants  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2016 5:30 pm : link
undo the Jenkins deal, LOL.

Now yeah, I doubt they consider him, but they might have before signing Jenkins.
we are desperate  
spike : 4/20/2016 5:30 pm : link
at corner
Sign him  
Joey in VA : 4/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
Have Odell abuse him in practice, then cut him.
JPP  
spike : 4/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
needs a new guy to dunk in ice.
DRC to free safety  
Ivan15 : 4/20/2016 5:32 pm : link
Panthers must feel Norman is not as good as his ego says he is.
A lot  
Jolly Blue Giant : 4/20/2016 5:33 pm : link
Of the big money around the league has been spent. Giant are still in good shape but I think he will be a bargain relative to the signings at the beginning of FA.
Jenkins could play the slot  
shyster : 4/20/2016 5:33 pm : link
for a year and then we let DRC go in 2017 and then Norman and Odell open a boutique together and ...

We've got the cap space, it's a no brainer.
This guy is a system fit  
robbieballs2003 : 4/20/2016 5:34 pm : link
He is not a guy you spend big money on.
maybe  
spike : 4/20/2016 5:34 pm : link
Odell will split from Drake and move in with his bro Norman
Is there a reason now?  
kelsto811 : 4/20/2016 5:35 pm : link
Does it make sense timing wise...I admittedly have no idea.
RE: Is there a reason now?  
robbieballs2003 : 4/20/2016 5:36 pm : link
In comment 12912358 kelsto811 said:
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Does it make sense timing wise...I admittedly have no idea.


The Panthers are gonna make a statement soon, I think.
Probably rescinded the tag  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2016 5:37 pm : link
before 4th of July to avoid any mishaps.

seriously maybe there is an impending suspension or legal matter, it really seems like a dick move by the Panthers to rescind the tag this far into free agency.

Unless I'm missing something.
He fail a drug test?  
Torn Tendon : 4/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
or overrated?
RE: Probably rescinded the tag  
Mike in ramapo college : 4/20/2016 5:38 pm : link
In comment 12912362 pjcas18 said:
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before 4th of July to avoid any mishaps.

seriously maybe there is an impending suspension or legal matter, it really seems like a dick move by the Panthers to rescind the tag this far into free agency.

Unless I'm missing something.


That's my initial thought also -- suspension or legal issues pending. I guess we will find out soon.
Sign him now!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/20/2016 5:40 pm : link
We're brothers... we're happy and we're singing and we're colored. Give me a hi five!

Was anyone aware  
mrvax : 4/20/2016 5:40 pm : link
that Josh Norman was a 5th round draft pick? You can find good CBs later. Not often but they are out there...
Maybe we can draft our slot corner?
RE: Probably rescinded the tag  
kelsto811 : 4/20/2016 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12912362 pjcas18 said:
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before 4th of July to avoid any mishaps.

seriously maybe there is an impending suspension or legal matter, it really seems like a dick move by the Panthers to rescind the tag this far into free agency.

Unless I'm missing something.


My thoughts exactly
.  
huygens20 : 4/20/2016 5:42 pm : link
This seriously could set a very dangerous precedence for the players.


amazing move by Gettleman
.  
kelsto811 : 4/20/2016 5:44 pm : link
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"After a number of conversations with Josh's agent we realized that a long-term deal was not attainable," general manager Dave Gettleman said. "We have decided to rescind the franchise tag freeing Josh to immediately become a UFA. We thank Josh for all his contributions and truly wish him well."
Hope he gets  
Torn Tendon : 4/20/2016 5:46 pm : link
suspended right after the Cowboys sign him to a big guaranteed contract.
RE: .  
Torn Tendon : 4/20/2016 5:49 pm : link
In comment 12912382 kelsto811 said:
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"After a number of conversations with Josh's agent we realized that a long-term deal was not attainable," general manager Dave Gettleman said. "We have decided to rescind the franchise tag freeing Josh to immediately become a UFA. We thank Josh for all his contributions and truly wish him well."



Maybe he wants to be the highest paid CB or defensive player in the league?
He will want to be PAID  
spike : 4/20/2016 5:50 pm : link
not sure how many teams will have the cap space.
Reading the Panthers forum  
kelsto811 : 4/20/2016 5:51 pm : link
Panthers were going 13 and he wanted 16 and wasn't backing down. Pure speculation is he threatened to hold out if he didn't get it.
This is just insane.  
OBJ31 : 4/20/2016 5:53 pm : link
Their the defending NFC champions, something is fishy here.
RE: This guy is a system fit  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/20/2016 5:53 pm : link
In comment 12912355 robbieballs2003 said:
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He is not a guy you spend big money on.


Totally agree. Think he's one of the most over rated players out there now. Now that doesn't mean he isn't a very good CB but this best in the NFL stuff in his mind is an issue. That D is loaded. He benefited a ton form that from 7. And IMO Davis and Keuchly might be two of the 5 best LBs in the NFL. Sure want to keep good starters but over laying hat dude 10 mil per year long term would be a mistake IMO for a long term deal. Also ugh redux

Paying.  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/20/2016 5:55 pm : link
And 13-16 mil per year for him? Wow. Holy bad contracts Batman
He's going to get paid  
UConn4523 : 4/20/2016 5:56 pm : link
is overrated and there's no way his presence wouldn't be talked about daily by the media. It's not happening.
I dont think people realize just how good Norman has been.  
OBJ31 : 4/20/2016 5:57 pm : link
Look at the QB's ratings against him.. He's very good.. this isn't because of money I dont think, something was said/done, has to be.
Where are the Gettlemen lovers  
Rflairr : 4/20/2016 5:57 pm : link
if Reese did this, you would be going batshit
Schefter is speculating  
Kevin999 : 4/20/2016 5:58 pm : link
the 49ers as a landing spot for him.
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 4/20/2016 5:58 pm : link
gonna guess he ends up with the Rams.
RE: Where are the Gettlemen lovers  
OBJ31 : 4/20/2016 5:58 pm : link
In comment 12912416 Rflairr said:
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if Reese did this, you would be going batshit


100%
Do the Eagles  
spike : 4/20/2016 5:59 pm : link
have any cap space?
Why on earth would they do this?  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/20/2016 6:00 pm : link
.
RE: Why on earth would they do this?  
speedywheels : 4/20/2016 6:01 pm : link
In comment 12912427 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Did you even both to read Torn Tendon's post?!?!
It depends why Reese did it  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2016 6:04 pm : link
I don't see though how this helps Carolina on the field in 2016. As a team looking to repeat as NFC Champions.

If you can't come to a long-term deal, so what, you pay the guy for one season and you're done with him and maybe get a comp pick the next year if he signs a mega-deal elsewhere - as high as a 3rd round pick depending on your own teams signings.

the next player on their depth chart I'm pretty sure is a big drop-off from Norman.
Personally  
Joey in VA : 4/20/2016 6:04 pm : link
I think he is vastly overrated and protected by a MLB who covers the entire middle and a pass rush and front that make his job fairly uncomplicated.
Fuck that crying bitch  
ZogZerg : 4/20/2016 6:06 pm : link
I want nothing to do with him.
RE: I dont think people realize just how good Norman has been.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/20/2016 6:07 pm : link
In comment 12912413 OBJ31 said:
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Look at the QB's ratings against him.. He's very good.. this isn't because of money I dont think, something was said/done, has to be.


A cover 2 guy should have a good QBR against. He gets to jump all routes otherwise he has help over the top.
Not a totally crazy move...  
bw in dc : 4/20/2016 6:08 pm : link
Norman had one very good year - it wasn't really great - and a reasonable case can be made the production was driven largely by the system.

I could see him as a perfect fit in Pittsburgh...
RE: Personally  
David in LA : 4/20/2016 6:10 pm : link
In comment 12912438 Joey in VA said:
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I think he is vastly overrated and protected by a MLB who covers the entire middle and a pass rush and front that make his job fairly uncomplicated.


He's a player that excels in a specific scheme (hello Namdi Asomougha!).
RE: .  
Hades07 : 4/20/2016 6:10 pm : link
In comment 12912378 huygens20 said:
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This seriously could set a very dangerous precedence for the players.


amazing move by Gettleman
easy to combat, sign the tender early.
RE: Can the Giants  
muhajir : 4/20/2016 6:17 pm : link
In comment 12912347 pjcas18 said:
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undo the Jenkins deal, LOL.

Now yeah, I doubt they consider him, but they might have before signing Jenkins.

Lol.. my first thought as well. Use the old Obrien failed physical trickaroo
Anyone else hoping he goes to a team we play this year?  
SimpleMan : 4/20/2016 6:18 pm : link
I want OBJ vs. Norman round 2.
NFC East for sure.  
FStubbs : 4/20/2016 6:19 pm : link
Eagles, Cowboys, and Redskins will be all over him so they can throw him at Beckham twice a year.
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huygens20 : 4/20/2016 6:20 pm : link
In comment 12912453 Hades07 said:
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In comment 12912378 huygens20 said:


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This seriously could set a very dangerous precedence for the players.


amazing move by Gettleman

easy to combat, sign the tender early.


Great point
I don't know  
mavric : 4/20/2016 6:21 pm : link
Chemistry with players is very important. There is obviously very bad blood between OBJ and him. I don't see it happening
The stuff with Beckham  
OBJ31 : 4/20/2016 6:24 pm : link
wont be why it doesn't happen... Roger Clemens became a yankee.... Pedro Martinez wanted to play for the Yankees... get the point?

Jenkins and DRC will be why its not happening.
RE: Do the Eagles  
shyster : 4/20/2016 6:26 pm : link
In comment 12912424 spike said:
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have any cap space?


Very little. And Dallas and Skins even tighter.
The Bengals will sign him  
B in ALB : 4/20/2016 6:26 pm : link
because their front 7 can protect him and they have the cap space. He will take a discount to go to a team like Cincy that has a good defense. Maybe the Bucs too.
I see him as a Raider  
spike : 4/20/2016 6:29 pm : link
Easily
RE: This is just insane.  
Beezer : 4/20/2016 6:30 pm : link
In comment 12912402 OBJ31 said:
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Their the defending NFC champions, something is fishy here.



This.
they were competitors  
msh : 4/20/2016 6:31 pm : link
might be a whole different ballgame if they were team mates but he is looking for 15-16m per,revis is 14 and he is on a different league to norman so it would be the $$$ not anything to do with his feud with OBJ that'll sink that could price himself right out the nfl he isnt worth the price hes demanding by a long way
Whatever he signs for  
mrvax : 4/20/2016 6:32 pm : link
he better cut Beckham 10% right off the top. Without OBJ, Norman would be a better than average JAG cornerback looking at 7-8M per year.
There's definitely something odd behind this.  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/20/2016 6:33 pm : link
They owned his rights and could net a 1st round pick if anyone was willing to match. There was no benefit to cutting him.
Mike  
Klaatu : 4/20/2016 6:34 pm : link
Wouldn't they have to sign him first before trading him?
Doesn't add up  
ghost718 : 4/20/2016 6:35 pm : link
So you thought he was good enough to franchise,than you pull out because of a 3 million difference.

An old AJ Smith type move.
RE: Mike  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/20/2016 6:37 pm : link
In comment 12912497 Klaatu said:
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Wouldn't they have to sign him first before trading him?


I could be mistaken, but when you put a non-exclusive Franchise Tag on a player, you don't have to sign him. Another team can match the offer and you'd lose him, but they'd have to give up a 1st round pick.

That's how I understood it, anyway.
RE: RE: Mike  
Klaatu : 4/20/2016 6:42 pm : link
In comment 12912501 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 12912497 Klaatu said:


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Wouldn't they have to sign him first before trading him?



I could be mistaken, but when you put a non-exclusive Franchise Tag on a player, you don't have to sign him. Another team can match the offer and you'd lose him, but they'd have to give up a 1st round pick.

That's how I understood it, anyway.


You're right, it was the non-exclusive tag. But would it cost one first-round pick or two?
I want nothing to do with him.  
arcarsenal : 4/20/2016 6:49 pm : link
But I hope to God he goes to a team we play against next season.
RE: RE: RE: Mike  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/20/2016 6:55 pm : link
In comment 12912504 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12912501 Mike in Long Beach said:


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In comment 12912497 Klaatu said:


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Wouldn't they have to sign him first before trading him?



I could be mistaken, but when you put a non-exclusive Franchise Tag on a player, you don't have to sign him. Another team can match the offer and you'd lose him, but they'd have to give up a 1st round pick.

That's how I understood it, anyway.



You're right, it was the non-exclusive tag. But would it cost one first-round pick or two?


Might be two. I'm hazy on it, but that would give them even more leverage to hold on. They get squat now.
RE: I want nothing to do with him.  
mrvax : 4/20/2016 6:56 pm : link
In comment 12912514 arcarsenal said:
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But I hope to God he goes to a team we play against next season.


So Beckham can get suspended again?
He played the victim vs Beckham  
Pete from Woodstock : 4/20/2016 6:56 pm : link
true is he's probably a real DICK and they wanted him out of their lockerroom. My guess and I'm sticking to it, cause I like Gettleman
I can't stand this dude.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2016 6:57 pm : link
Incredibly overrated. If Beckham Jr. had been able to keep his composure, he would have lit this fool up.
RE: RE: I want nothing to do with him.  
arcarsenal : 4/20/2016 7:11 pm : link
In comment 12912524 mrvax said:
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In comment 12912514 arcarsenal said:


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But I hope to God he goes to a team we play against next season.



So Beckham can get suspended again?


So that he can light him up.. which I have no doubts he'd do if he got another shot at him.
He's a moron for not signing the Tender  
est1986 : 4/20/2016 7:12 pm : link
He won't make as much this season had he signed it. He could've proved his value this year and got a huge deal now I don't think he's worth a Janoris Jenkins deal, I like Jenkins better, he did as much or more than Norman with a hell of a lot less
RE: RE: RE: I want nothing to do with him.  
mrvax : 4/20/2016 7:17 pm : link
In comment 12912547 arcarsenal said:
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So that he can light him up.. which I have no doubts he'd do if he got another shot at him.


Agreed. Damn shame Beckham could hold onto that perfectly thrown TD pass. Norman was lost on that play.
Could not  
mrvax : 4/20/2016 7:18 pm : link
.
Raiders and Jags have a lot of money  
ZogZerg : 4/20/2016 7:23 pm : link
They could pay him. This will be real interesting to follow.
If OBJ catches the first TD against him and keeps  
Simms11 : 4/20/2016 7:37 pm : link
His head the rest of the game, he would have made Norman his bitch, rather then playing into his BS style of play!
12-15miliion per year for a CB?  
sober297 : 4/20/2016 7:39 pm : link
and he is probably looking for 5-7 years.
if you believe he is a young Revis, you pay.
RE: He will want to be PAID  
KeoweeFan : 4/20/2016 7:55 pm : link
In comment 12912396 spike said:
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not sure how many teams will have the cap space.

He wanted to be PAID in Carolina. How'd that turn out? :)
RE: He's a moron for not signing the Tender  
riceneggs : 4/20/2016 7:56 pm : link
In comment 12912551 est1986 said:
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He won't make as much this season had he signed it. He could've proved his value this year and got a huge deal now I don't think he's worth a Janoris Jenkins deal, I like Jenkins better, he did as much or more than Norman with a hell of a lot less


i don't think you understand how NFL contracts work.

his option with the Panthers was to sign a 14mil one year deal. yes its 14 guaranteed. but after the season, if he makes it thru it, he's a year older and the age factor becomes a real conversation

he can sign with another team right now for 12-13mil a year, get a 10mil signing bonus and get 20+ million guaranteed

to me, he's winning in the scenario
RE: RE: He will want to be PAID  
riceneggs : 4/20/2016 7:59 pm : link
In comment 12912627 KeoweeFan said:
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In comment 12912396 spike said:


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not sure how many teams will have the cap space.


He wanted to be PAID in Carolina. How'd that turn out? :)


from a player perspective, it turned out fine. but you really can't judge the move yet until we see his next deal.

staying with the panthers wasnt gonna guarantee him another superbowl berth (history shows us that).
RE: Sign him now!  
BMac : 4/20/2016 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12912374 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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We're brothers... we're happy and we're singing and we're colored. Give me a hi five!



Colored?
RE: Where are the Gettlemen lovers  
Giants2012 : 4/20/2016 8:58 pm : link
In comment 12912416 Rflairr said:
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if Reese did this, you would be going batshit


lol - very good
Gettelman and the Panthers outsmarting themselves...  
Torrag : 4/20/2016 9:30 pm : link
...trade the man if you don't want him.
A purely zone corner...  
Giants_West : 4/20/2016 9:30 pm : link
Who played outside/behind one of the top 3 front sevens in the league last season. A season that also happened to be both his contract year and the only outstanding full season performance of his career.

Someone is going to be paying a ton of money for a future case of buyers remorse.
RE: RE: Sign him now!  
madgiantscow009 : 4/20/2016 10:02 pm : link
In comment 12912729 BMac said:
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In comment 12912374 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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We're brothers... we're happy and we're singing and we're colored. Give me a hi five!





Colored?


yep, that's how it goes.
RE: Raiders and Jags have a lot of money  
Anakim : 4/20/2016 10:06 pm : link
In comment 12912569 ZogZerg said:
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They could pay him. This will be real interesting to follow.


Sean Smith AND Josh Norman? Geez. I don't know how many teams would be better on paper.

I think he goes to either the 49ers, the Buccaneers or the Ravens. Just a hunch.
Pretty obvious...  
YahBoo33 : 4/20/2016 10:28 pm : link
CAR. Did not see a deal working out & feel he not worth it.
Reports say he wants "revis money" & is not close to a good.
IIRC many players in league have said he is overrated & always " needed safety help".
Looks like Panthers feel the same way.
Addition by subtraction; why deal with his antics & ego for years. Just a month ago he called himself top 5 all time.
The man is nuts.
rumor  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/20/2016 10:34 pm : link
In pft comment secton is that it's drug related, which would make sense.
Why did they do this?  
KWALL2 : 4/20/2016 11:07 pm : link
Because he isn't worth the ridiculous money he's asking for. Overrated player. You don't over pay for overrated. Replace him and use the money a better way.

Smart move by CAR. They have a talents defense and won't miss the guy.
Norman  
stretch234 : 4/21/2016 5:41 am : link
I do not think he is the top end CB that many in the media seem to think, nor that he team thinks.

You hear rumors all the time, but I have heard teammates do not like him at all. The money can make it convenient to move on.



Norman is an unusual case, and probably not much of a precedent.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/21/2016 6:19 am : link
Keep in mind that he turned 25 his rookie year. He sucked that year (remember Barden owning him on national TV?), and had his second season mostly wiped out by injuries. He was very good in 2015-16, but nobody knows whether he could sustain that level behind a lesser front seven.

I can understand why he and his agent played hardball. If he had played 2016 under the tag - aside from the obvious injury and performance risks that apply to any tagged player - his first shot at free agency would have come in the year he turns 30. And by the same token, I can see why the Panthers were reluctant to meet his demands.

While the outcome isn't ideal for either side, it does follow a certain logic. Paying Norman a boatload of guaranteed money didn't make sense for Carolina, while Norman can reasonably expect that another team will be more willing to do it now than in March 2017.
system  
chris r : 4/21/2016 6:22 am : link
player who will go the Nnamdi Asomugha route when not in the system. Except he's a giant asshole too.
Releasing Norman on April 20th makes it hard for him to find  
Ira : 4/21/2016 6:27 am : link
the right team, but it also makes it hard for the Panthers to find a player to replace him.
I think he  
Gman11 : 4/21/2016 8:33 am : link
has a bloated sense of his value. If somebody pays him $15 million a year, they're nuts.
Norman..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2016 8:42 am : link
forced the Panthers to make a decision here. He's been chirping the last few weeks about not attending offseason workouts or minicamp because he technically isn't under contract. He keeps talking about being the best CB in the game and an all-time great. He keeps yapping about being the key guy for the Panthers, and for some strange reason, he keeps yapping about Beckham, even bringing him up again last week.

Gettleman pretty much is fed up with Norman and realizes that he's more of a system player than one worth top pay and he's made his move to show him that. Local reports are pretty much calling this Gettlemen's way of shutting Norman up.
Its amazing that Beckham is still in his head.  
Curtis in VA : 4/21/2016 9:10 am : link


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