And:
'We like to send our pass rushers in waves'
Quotes from Jerry Reese from the last few years.
Last year was very un-Giant like from a pass rush standpoint. This year even with a healing JPP and Hankins, Olivier Vernon is a well rounded DE but hasn't proven he is an elite pass rusher, Snacks is a nice 2 way DT but not an elite pass rushing DT either.
You can bet the farm we are going to go for pass rush in the first couple rounds (at least 1).
Names that we have been linked to or fit the Giant size/speed profile:
At 10:
Floyd
Rd.2/ 3
Bronson Kaufusi (DE size/arm length/strength/triangle # combination Giants love from their DE's- 11 sacks/20 TFLS in 13 games last year)
Ogbah (4.6-4.7 speed at his size?) Fits Giants prototype for size/speed specimen at DE
Nkemdiche (we were curious enough to bring him in, if he checked out mentally, could be option via round 1 trade down or round 2)
I thought he actually rushed really well for a 3-4 NT on the Jets. I think on a 4 man DL he definitely collapses the pocket which will help a lot, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting after a good bit. And at any rate he helps those around him to rush that passer.
I see a mix of Strahan, Reggie White, and Nikita Whitlock in him.
They haven't been ignoring the pass rush. Hopefully the 2 guys I mentioned pan out. If the Giants draft Floyd, I think the pass rush becomes a legit threat. Reese probably has a woody for the guy.
I hated it last year when QBs had a LOT of time back there. It seemed like the Giants were only rushing 2.
Huh. Big fat mouth? Constantly elected to the pro bowl years after he retired? J/K :>)
Giants need a real run on QBs in the top 10 to hopefully get Buckner. Highly unlikely, but not impossible.
Would rather take Hargreaves than a T.
Take T in the second.
So many needs. Jerry needs a little luck this draft, cuz his skill aint getting it done as far as drafting depth goes.
DE, CB, S, WR, T, LB, DT, G, did I forget anything?
RB, TE they have already but can always upgrade. Maybe in the first if Elliott falls, but I think it's more likely Buckner falls than Elliott does.
They haven't been ignoring the pass rush. Hopefully the 2 guys I mentioned pan out. If the Giants draft Floyd, I think the pass rush becomes a legit threat. Reese probably has a woody for the guy.
I hated it last year when QBs had a LOT of time back there. It seemed like the Giants were only rushing 2.
Bromley has show absolutely nothing to indicate he's anything near a starter. He's depth since he's a 3rd round pick. Super deep draft at DT and Hankins is going to want to get paid. Wonder if they grab a DT but Bromley hasn't shown he's on a path to be a starter. And w Harrison signed now w Hankins this he's not getting a ton of snaps IMO
Just looking at Nkemdiche'd highlight reel I can see why he'd be perfect for the Giants. Huge powerful man. 300lbs and moves like a tiger. He can hit people like a freight train. I'd really like to draft him too.
I hope we get Nkemdiche, Floyd, Jack & Elliott this year. Be a great draft.
Bromley has show absolutely nothing to indicate he's anything near a starter. He's depth since he's a 3rd round pick. Super deep draft at DT and Hankins is going to want to get paid. Wonder if they grab a DT but Bromley hasn't shown he's on a path to be a starter. And w Harrison signed now w Hankins this he's not getting a ton of snaps IMO
I agree. If Bromley improves in practice, maybe he can be in on 3rd downs. Hard to believe the Giants had to have their FB play DT on 3rd down last year.
Isn't the game won or lost on the LOS?
Not just an effective OL.. you actually need to get rid of the ball.. you cant block people forever
Also Eli while not fleet of foot, is very good in sensing pressure and stepping up in the pocket and/or getting rid of the ball w/o taking a sack.
"Joe's whole thing was you have get the quarterback -- and the right quarterback, not just the one that's available in a given year -- and you have to protect him," Accorsi said on Thursday night.
"And then you draft pass rushers until the cows come home."
The other quote might have been Reese; Google can't find it.
Accorsi on cows, pass-rushers, and Joe Thomas. - ( New Window )
"Joe's whole thing was you have get the quarterback -- and the right quarterback, not just the one that's available in a given year -- and you have to protect him," Accorsi said on Thursday night.
"And then you draft pass rushers until the cows come home."
Google can't find the other quote, which suggests that it's not actually a quote.
Anyway, since becoming GM, Jerry Reese has made 18 selections in the first and second rounds of the draft. Exactly one of them was a DE. That's a remarkably low number, considering:
1) The team that runs a 4-3 base D;
2) They've had to replace all of the good DEs Reese inherited;
3) They didn't need a QB.
I guess you could count Sintim and maybe Austin as pass-rusher picks. But it's not as though Reese has obsessively drafted edge rushers since becoming GM.
Accorsi on cows, pass-rushers, and Joe Thomas. - ( New Window )
JPP also had a lot of pressures when he returned and I think the two of them together could form a formidable duo, we'll see, but adding another pass rusher to the mix would give the Giants the 3rd pass rusher that they like to rotate in to provide that dominant rush. I'm all for adding another Edge Rusher in one of the first two rounds.
Agreed and if VHIII is the top rated guy there ,according to the asshats and the reporters with inside info, there likely go there in rd 1. But Floyd may even be above him from what we've heard.
You can never say anything in absolute, but knowing this organization, I would expect a pass rusher in the first 2 rounds unless the draft really falls in a way that would strongly dictate otherwise.
No way at 10. But we did bring him in and have shown a past willingness to gamble a little more in round 2 for an elite talent.
Then you've got JPP on the other side.
If we could add a "Warren Sapp-like" beast up the middle (Nkemdiche) we could be back to having the most feared D-Line in the league. what a dramatic turnaround that would be after the last 3 years
One third rounder devoted to the pass rusher position over the last 2 years. They took Moore in round 3 back in 2013. No one in 2012. Austin 2011....the last real pass rusher the Giants got pumped for was Jpp if you really think about it. It's been a while...they are due to strike early.
Then you've got JPP on the other side.
If we could add a "Warren Sapp-like" beast up the middle (Nkemdiche) we could be back to having the most feared D-Line in the league. what a dramatic turnaround that would be after the last 3 years
You could be right. But we had something special with the combinations of Tuck,Umenyiora, Strahan and Robbins over the last decade. Those lines for years we always had 2 or 3 elite pass rush guys.
Does Vernon , a healing JPP with Hank and Snacks come close to that type of pass rush talent? Possible, but alot has to fall the right way.
If we add Floyd who could finally be that elite pass rush guy from the LB level (and possibly off the line on obvious passing downs) it could be a big equalizer in having a really dynamic pass rush like we've had in years past.
Nkemdiche has sky high talent but I worry about his heart for the game. We all get ga-ga over the potential but guys like that bust more often than make it.
One thing to remember about Nkemdiche is that at least half the league has met with him. That's because he's a kid you wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole unless you had performed thorough diligence. The Giants' interest may be serious, or it may not. I also wonder whether the failed gambles on Marvin Austin and Damontre Moore, plus the rollercoaster ride they have taken with Jason Pierre-Paul, might steer them toward safer options.
Or maybe, in a lean year for pass-rushers, the value simply won't be there. Personally, I think that's the most likely scenario - more likely IMV than the Giants ignoring Kaufusi's age, Ogbah's stiffness or Nkemdiche's eccentricities.