but I dont think Kim Jones is plugged in at all.. Jack most likely will not make it to #10. Unless every defensive player they like is off the board AND an offensive tackle I dont see them drafting Elliot..
I can see a reason why they could.. I just dont think they WILL..
curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
#1 I'm not suggesting Elliott is my first choice
#2 How many games the Rams won last season has 0.0 relevance. The question should be how many will they win going forward because of Gurley
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
#1 I'm not suggesting Elliott is my first choice
#2 How many games the Rams won last season has 0.0 relevance. The question should be how many will they win going forward because of Gurley
The Rams will win b/c of the QB, not Gurley. For all his greatness the Vikings make the playoffs b/c the QB is competent and not b/c the HB runs well. The Chiefs starting winning b/c of the QB not the HB. It's a QB league and for all the Reggie Bush', CJ Spiller, Demarco Murray, etc, it's the team with the QB which wins. The team with the QB can win without the HB while the team with the HB doesn't win without the QB.
The Jags have huge needs at OT & DE. They will have a choice between Ramsey, Bosa & Tunsil. That's why I think they take.
They already have a stud weakside LB & that's where Jack plays.
Yeah I'm not sold on Jack to Jax either.
Also, I think many are too quick to pencil Ramsey in at 3. The Chargers do need a safety, but they also need an OT and DE. I think Tunsil and Buckner are both very real possibilities for San Diego. It could be any of those three imo.
It seems everyone has Buckner going to Baltimore also.
Is my #1 coveted player, Elliot is 2 but he's not going to be there. Jack is a close 3rd and I'm really torn on Floyd but outside of those 4 no one is really intriguing at 10 to me. I could look at Kim Jones all day by the way, I have the hot pants for her.
Elliot was no effin way. But aside from David Wilson, JR has been right on with the 1st rounders and even Wilson was an injury. He would have been a better Vereen had he stayed healthy.
At 10 there will be an excellent football player available. I'd prefer a OT, CB or DE/ER, but Elliot looks like he can do it all including pass protection (huge if true).
doing back flips hearing this news! I am fine with either Jack or Floyd but if medicals check out fine on Jack I think it would be a sweet steal for us.
If we decide to pass on Jack due to medical reasons, or he isn't there
Is my #1 coveted player, Elliot is 2 but he's not going to be there. Jack is a close 3rd and I'm really torn on Floyd but outside of those 4 no one is really intriguing at 10 to me. I could look at Kim Jones all day by the way, I have the hot pants for her.
Any scenario where you would trade up for Ramsey, or simply too steep given how much we need our picks?
Elliot has never carried the required grade to draft at #10 for me. He isn't in the class of the Faulk's and Peterson's of the world athletically who were men among boys at the Div. 1 level. I've no idea what the Giants think.
I'm still praying Hargreaves is available when we're on the clock.
is that Elliot would be a little more value to the Cowboys than us correct? Being the type of dominance they have up front, they could feature Elliot like they did with Murray. We don't have that type of line or that type of offense where we feature a back. We run the offense around OBJ. I just don't see how he brings us to the next level if we can't block as good as OSU did.
to 10. I would love Jack, but I'm not overlooking a knee that could start degenerating (more quickly) with one injury in 2016. I dont want another Younger John Beason. Elliott is a RB that could stay with the team for a second contract. Of course he has to stay healthy, and very few do, but he has the talent to be a long term keeper, and doesn't come with a knee that is moving in the wrong direction.
If a team telegraphs its pick, other teams can use that as an advantage to either jump ahead of you or squeeze picks out of you to force you to jump ahead of another team.
It seems like there is good value to be had at the number 10 pick, with at least 2 (and hopefully 3) QBs going before the Giants. IF things play out that there are multiple excellent choices available when the Giants pick, I'd love for the Giants to trade down and pick up another 2nd or 3rd (of course it takes two to Tango).
If a true top 5 talent is still available, I'd also be OK (less so though) if they traded up a few positions to get a red chip versus blue chip player.
The draft playing out the way it is I think another QB will end up in the top 10, the first non QB player will be Tunsil the second pick will be Ramsey, and the third pick will be Bosa, that leaves 3 more players before we pick, those top names are: Jack, Buckner, Elliot, Stanley, Floyd, Hargreaves, Conklin and Lee.
Even if there is not another QB taken, look at the choices now. If I were to guess, I think Buckner, Jack, and Stanley are the guys taken, just my guess. That leaves us to choose between Hargreaves, Elliot, Floyd, Conklin and Lee.
We will all be happy with Hargreaves, but it is my experience that there will be a team that falls in love with a particular player, I think it will be Elliot, and if the is the case then that opens up another top player, Stanley, Jack, or Buckner.
There is also times when a player nobody thought would be a top 10 pick is, so my point is to be patient, if the best player turns out to be Elliot and the Giants do end up taking him, trust me we will all be happy.
The draft playing out the way it is I think another QB will end up in the top 10, the first non QB player will be Tunsil the second pick will be Ramsey, and the third pick will be Bosa, that leaves 3 more players before we pick, those top names are: Jack, Buckner, Elliot, Stanley, Floyd, Hargreaves, Conklin and Lee.
Even if there is not another QB taken, look at the choices now. If I were to guess, I think Buckner, Jack, and Stanley are the guys taken, just my guess. That leaves us to choose between Hargreaves, Elliot, Floyd, Conklin and Lee.
We will all be happy with Hargreaves, but it is my experience that there will be a team that falls in love with a particular player, I think it will be Elliot, and if the is the case then that opens up another top player, Stanley, Jack, or Buckner.
There is also times when a player nobody thought would be a top 10 pick is, so my point is to be patient, if the best player turns out to be Elliot and the Giants do end up taking him, trust me we will all be happy.
You, if that player turns out to be really good, I should have said that. If we suddenly had a back so good that he ran for 100 yards regularly and caught passes and helped there also, and helped lead the team back to the playoffs, wouldn't you be happy. I think this guy is that good. Time will tell, but if he is, that is what I meant to say, we will all be happy.
Who I have followed pretty closely is not a person I would scoff at. I think if he is there at 10 that there will be an offer to Reese though. Someone will want to move up to take him and if the offer is a good one, knowing our needs, I think Reese in this case would trade down though.
curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Gurley 2.0 and he is a GIANT for sure! This offense needs another playmaker, another home-run threat.
Elliott can also catch and pass block blitzers very well as I understand it which means he is a redzone threat. He can also be the difference maker in a few deep bombs from Eli as Elliott tanks a few blitzers giving Eli that half second of difference in time to find the deep guy.
A significant percentage of posters on BBI evidently have balls
BPA appears to be mandated by GOD. No wonder the world is what it is. The Being is too wrapped up in Mock Drafts up to and including #1,000,000 to have time for anything else.
to be a stud. There's a lot of pressure on this pick. Elliott has an extremely high floor and high ceiling. Wouldn't hate it - still think they go defense though.
If the QB's, Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner, Tunsil are gone that's 6. I go:
Their a good case that Elliot is the cleanest and the most sure thing of any player in this draft.I do not see any holes in his game and everything is elite all others have certain issues even Ramsey granted their small but Elliot is the best all round player in this draft so at ten I run and make the pick and then trade Jenning for a fourth we probably have trades ready for that now.
that I just can't see slipping very far. No chance he makes it to 10 in my view.
Most of the time you see one of these stud players that was in the top 5-7 for months all of a sudden you hear a rumor hear and there that he's gonna drop, it rarely happens. They stay top 7 because they are top 7. These leaks all sound like BS to me. If his injury was that bad he never would have gotten the early love in the first place.
Jack goes early. Elliot I could see slipping to ten or lower just because he's a RB and teams are weird.
RE: no reporter has a clue yet what the giants think of elliott
because frankly the giants don't know fully what they think of him. that will come with due time. the board is not set- there is more evaluation.
With regards to the above---- the comment was made because the deep dive and discussion on EE hadn't occurred until Friday- feedback is ...moving on up the board- no idea where relative to others I've referenced at this stage. But for me he's gone from not in the mix to in the mix. I've still heard all of nothing on jack fwiw
Yeah, but he's not.
I can see a reason why they could.. I just dont think they WILL..
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
They could have stayed at 8 and probably got him.
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curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Yeah, but he's not.
He might not be. Who knows? Beckham was compared to Cecil Shorts before he was drafted. How did that turn out?
I've seen Elliott comparisons to Edgerrin James. I'll take that.
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curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
#1 I'm not suggesting Elliott is my first choice
#2 How many games the Rams won last season has 0.0 relevance. The question should be how many will they win going forward because of Gurley
With Lawrence's suspension, Bosa becomes more likely.
They already have a stud weakside LB & that's where Jack plays.
Goff
Wentz
Ramsey
Bosa
Tunsil
Buckner
Lynch
Stanley/Conklin (TEN trade up)
Hargreaves/Floyd
They already have a stud weakside LB & that's where Jack plays.
Makes sense Rick. Thanks
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
#1 I'm not suggesting Elliott is my first choice
#2 How many games the Rams won last season has 0.0 relevance. The question should be how many will they win going forward because of Gurley
The Rams will win b/c of the QB, not Gurley. For all his greatness the Vikings make the playoffs b/c the QB is competent and not b/c the HB runs well. The Chiefs starting winning b/c of the QB not the HB. It's a QB league and for all the Reggie Bush', CJ Spiller, Demarco Murray, etc, it's the team with the QB which wins. The team with the QB can win without the HB while the team with the HB doesn't win without the QB.
More than us? ..... Not that I want a RB at 10.
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Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
More than us? ..... Not that I want a RB at 10.
Well, the Rams were a better team. Look at there defense vs the Giants.
They already have a stud weakside LB & that's where Jack plays.
Yeah I'm not sold on Jack to Jax either.
Also, I think many are too quick to pencil Ramsey in at 3. The Chargers do need a safety, but they also need an OT and DE. I think Tunsil and Buckner are both very real possibilities for San Diego. It could be any of those three imo.
It seems everyone has Buckner going to Baltimore also.
well done.
At 10 there will be an excellent football player available. I'd prefer a OT, CB or DE/ER, but Elliot looks like he can do it all including pass protection (huge if true).
I think 2nd and 3rd round will be more important.
I can't believe we would draft someone with injury issues after the all the injuries on this team.
Its repeating the stupid.
Any scenario where you would trade up for Ramsey, or simply too steep given how much we need our picks?
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curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Yeah, but he's not.
Plenty of people disagree with you.
Jack is an obvious talent, but the medicals concern me for a pick this high. A LB with an injury doesn't feel like a Giants pick at 10.
This is the first time I can remember not having a favorite in the first round..
Floyd is a square peg in a round hole imo.
Buckner is a monster but how will he translate to an even front?
I'm not big on the idea of taking a RT in the top 10.
Hargreaves is a player I like, but his size does concern me a bit.
I do like Treadwell. He has become a whipping post around here, but I think he would excel on this team.
The only player that would excite me is Ramsey if he fell.
So you think Elliott would be the BPA? I would heartily disagree.
Elliot has never carried the required grade to draft at #10 for me. He isn't in the class of the Faulk's and Peterson's of the world athletically who were men among boys at the Div. 1 level. I've no idea what the Giants think.
I'm still praying Hargreaves is available when we're on the clock.
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curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
Joe Thomas is the best LT in football. How many games did the Browns win? The lesson? Don't draft Laremy Tunsil.
See how ridiculous your logic is?
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curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
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curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
Come on now, this is dumb. Who were the Rams QBs and WRs!?!?
Speaking of "dumb", think about what you just posted. Exactly, it's a QB league with teams strong on the LOS who win regardless of HB.
It seems like there is good value to be had at the number 10 pick, with at least 2 (and hopefully 3) QBs going before the Giants. IF things play out that there are multiple excellent choices available when the Giants pick, I'd love for the Giants to trade down and pick up another 2nd or 3rd (of course it takes two to Tango).
If a true top 5 talent is still available, I'd also be OK (less so though) if they traded up a few positions to get a red chip versus blue chip player.
Even if there is not another QB taken, look at the choices now. If I were to guess, I think Buckner, Jack, and Stanley are the guys taken, just my guess. That leaves us to choose between Hargreaves, Elliot, Floyd, Conklin and Lee.
We will all be happy with Hargreaves, but it is my experience that there will be a team that falls in love with a particular player, I think it will be Elliot, and if the is the case then that opens up another top player, Stanley, Jack, or Buckner.
There is also times when a player nobody thought would be a top 10 pick is, so my point is to be patient, if the best player turns out to be Elliot and the Giants do end up taking him, trust me we will all be happy.
Even if there is not another QB taken, look at the choices now. If I were to guess, I think Buckner, Jack, and Stanley are the guys taken, just my guess. That leaves us to choose between Hargreaves, Elliot, Floyd, Conklin and Lee.
We will all be happy with Hargreaves, but it is my experience that there will be a team that falls in love with a particular player, I think it will be Elliot, and if the is the case then that opens up another top player, Stanley, Jack, or Buckner.
There is also times when a player nobody thought would be a top 10 pick is, so my point is to be patient, if the best player turns out to be Elliot and the Giants do end up taking him, trust me we will all be happy.
Who is we?
Elliott can also catch and pass block blitzers very well as I understand it which means he is a redzone threat. He can also be the difference maker in a few deep bombs from Eli as Elliott tanks a few blitzers giving Eli that half second of difference in time to find the deep guy.
BPA appears to be mandated by GOD. No wonder the world is what it is. The Being is too wrapped up in Mock Drafts up to and including #1,000,000 to have time for anything else.
Are you going to hit the road?
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If we pass on Jack I'm not going to be very pleasant to be around.
Are you going to hit the road?
I don't know if that's a Bette Midler reference. All I know about her is her appearance on Seinfeld.
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If we pass on Jack I'm not going to be very pleasant to be around.
Are you going to hit the road?
I don't know if that's a Bette Midler reference. All I know about her is her appearance on Seinfeld.
No, I was staying in the musical genre.
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curious, if I could somehow guarantee Elliott would be Gurley 2.0, how many people who don't want him at 10 would change their mind?
Fantasy fans would love it. How many games did the Rams win?
Strange comment. Besides a QB, what one player would have turned the Rams into a winner?
You really struggle with some simple, straightforard posts. Would it help if people drew pictures for you?
I only count to 10 unless I trade down.
Now that's impossible.
I wouldn't if I were in his position
Most of the time you see one of these stud players that was in the top 5-7 for months all of a sudden you hear a rumor hear and there that he's gonna drop, it rarely happens. They stay top 7 because they are top 7. These leaks all sound like BS to me. If his injury was that bad he never would have gotten the early love in the first place.
Jack goes early. Elliot I could see slipping to ten or lower just because he's a RB and teams are weird.
With regards to the above---- the comment was made because the deep dive and discussion on EE hadn't occurred until Friday- feedback is ...moving on up the board- no idea where relative to others I've referenced at this stage. But for me he's gone from not in the mix to in the mix. I've still heard all of nothing on jack fwiw