This draft will say a lot about Jerry Reese

in the world was attacking Reese for not having a big offseason to keep up with the dream team spending wildly.

Do not expect radical departures just because his sacks are in a sling. Therefore I think Kiper has him copied accurately in his latest mock. Yeah, Kioer is never right...except this time.

In comment 12913401 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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in the world was attacking Reese for not having a big offseason to keep up with the dream team spending wildly.

Perhaps .. but that wasn't preceded by major changes in the coaching staff.

doesn't do desperation imo

Nkemdiche or Jack, quite frankly.

JPP wasn't seen as a bit of a gamble.

of the franchise this draft should say no more about Jerry Reese than any of the other 9 while he was GM.

If he does change things up now and approaches each selection differently now that he's "on the hot seat" then I'm not so sure that's a positive for him or his bosses.

whatever preconceived notion you had going into the draft.

if the draft were a collaboration between the FO and the coaching staff so that team needs and team scheme can be taken into account on the picks.

so many people look at the draft as being the megalomaniac work of reese as if McAdoo has no input or any pull.

a boom or bust pick. Taking him wouldn't be like shooting for the moon or something. He's not this extremely low floor player.

Floyd is the safe pick?

And what Fat Man said.

If he truly believes Floyd is the player, he better hope it works out. Floyd needs to be an impact player almost immediately, and his lack of production in college is worrisome. His game can certainly translate to the NFL, but if it doesnt - it could be reese's ass.

there will be a bunch of people saying how good or bad he did the day after like they know what they're talking about before the guy even reports for a physical. It's almost as stupid as mock drafts.

our scouts.

In comment 12913456 AP in Halfmoon said:

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Floyd is the safe pick? And what Fat Man said.

If Reese thinks Floyd is the pick, he'll be the pick.

The concern is that this team has had curious evaluations of linebackers for quite some time. The guys they bring in never seem to work out, with two exceptions. Mike Boley and Devon Kennard.

and definitely its not just about round one. The Giants have already begun trying to turn the franchise around. The problem is they started it two years too late. They should have started in 2012-2013.

If the Giants have a winning record.. 9-7 that will be enough for to secure his job..

In comment 12913657 blueblood said:

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and definitely its not just about round one. The Giants have already begun trying to turn the franchise around. The problem is they started it two years too late. They should have started in 2012-2013. If the Giants have a winning record.. 9-7 that will be enough for to secure his job..

So you are saying they should have torn up the roster right after winning a super bowl?

In hind sight thats easy to say but at the moment was anyone calling for massive changes?

In comment 12913401 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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in the world was attacking Reese for not having a big offseason to keep up with the dream team spending wildly.

except they were 10-6 in 2010, not coming off of 3 straight losing seasons and a 3-5 finish in 2012

Is not going to do anything different, listening to the interview with Gettleman this morning he spoke about how ridiculous these WINDOWS are, I am in complete agreement, that is a loser mentality.

Reese for all his faults is very prideful and confident, that comes off as arrogance and rubs me the wrong way at times, but that is what you need in this position. Look at the competition he is up against! You need a leader in this position, Reese is that and will go about his business the same way as always.

He has had some bad drafts and bad luck, but everyone has that, he worked with Tom closely, now he has a new coach to work with and maybe that is just what Reese needed. This is in no way blaming Tom, it was a two way street, but it was going nowhere fast. So the change was made.

As far as what the owners said, what the hell do you want them to say to their fan base?

In comment 12913439 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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if the draft were a collaboration between the FO and the coaching staff so that team needs and team scheme can be taken into account on the picks. so many people look at the draft as being the megalomaniac work of reese as if McAdoo has no input or any pull.

typical fat man hyperbole. Reese has overwhelming input in the draft. It has nothing to do with meglamonia it's his job.

Never said that Reese doesn't have significant input. I expect him to.

But you do realize that the draft isn't just done in a vacuum with Reese calling all the shots and ignoring everyone else, right?

It would be nice to understand the word hyperbole before throwing it out constantly.

there were several comments indicating that the coaching staff was stepping back, and Reese was stepping forth in the drafting process. McAdoo came right out and said he was going to have a far diminished role than what Coughlin had regarding the draft.

It's been bandied about quite a bit that in the past, Reese was in charge for round one, and then the coaching staff had increasing say as the rounds went on.

To me, this says that this will be Reese's draft, all the way through. others will have their say, but this will be Reese's draft. So, yes, this will be a defining year.

In comment 12913991 fkap said:

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there were several comments indicating that the coaching staff was stepping back, and Reese was stepping forth in the drafting process. McAdoo came right out and said he was going to have a far diminished role than what Coughlin had regarding the draft. It's been bandied about quite a bit that in the past, Reese was in charge for round one, and then the coaching staff had increasing say as the rounds went on. To me, this says that this will be Reese's draft, all the way through. others will have their say, but this will be Reese's draft. So, yes, this will be a defining year.

Never heard that about McAdoo pulling back from the draft. That wouldn't make any sense to me..Possible link to that?

Afternoon guys: Just a week to go; interesting thread Jay. The only problem as several responders noted and as I have argued to the point I almost have a virtual headache Jerry Reese doesn't make the picks. Never has and likely never will. Obviously, Reese plays a role and it is an important role. However, the whole Giants structure since the days of George Young when it comes to the personnel area is that no one individual has a disproportionate voice.

Lets review the process one more time. The Giants invest literally hundreds of man-hours every year scouting college players; at least three scouts go to each majpor program in the country over the season and by the end of the process as many as 8-10 scouts, coaches, and other senior personnel people will have studied game tape and graded the top prospects. Ross and his people then put together a preliminary board and pretty much the whole staff then get together and tweak the board. The whole staff then gets together before the draft and hashes out a final short list of guys that they really like either because they are really good players period or fit a need and are good value.

In the end, Reese's role is more like that of a chairman of the board seeking a consensus rather than a final arbiter. I realize its a whole lot easier to think otherwise because it allows one to think that jeez if we just got rid of Reese then we'd get back to winning Super Bowls (although the irony to that is that Reese actually more direct role in player evaluating in the Accorsi years than he does now). And sorry no simply getting Ross instead won't have any more of an impact.

In comment 12914314 Colin@gbn said:

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Afternoon guys: Just a week to go; interesting thread Jay. The only problem as several responders noted and as I have argued to the point I almost have a virtual headache Jerry Reese doesn't make the picks. Never has and likely never will. Obviously, Reese plays a role and it is an important role. However, the whole Giants structure since the days of George Young when it comes to the personnel area is that no one individual has a disproportionate voice. Lets review the process one more time. The Giants invest literally hundreds of man-hours every year scouting college players; at least three scouts go to each majpor program in the country over the season and by the end of the process as many as 8-10 scouts, coaches, and other senior personnel people will have studied game tape and graded the top prospects. Ross and his people then put together a preliminary board and pretty much the whole staff then get together and tweak the board. The whole staff then gets together before the draft and hashes out a final short list of guys that they really like either because they are really good players period or fit a need and are good value. In the end, Reese's role is more like that of a chairman of the board seeking a consensus rather than a final arbiter. I realize its a whole lot easier to think otherwise because it allows one to think that jeez if we just got rid of Reese then we'd get back to winning Super Bowls (although the irony to that is that Reese actually more direct role in player evaluating in the Accorsi years than he does now). And sorry no simply getting Ross instead won't have any more of an impact.

But after the consensus, isn't it Reese who makes the final call as to what player goes on the card en route to the podium?

it was an article linked here several months ago. right around the time of TC going and a couple weeks after McAdoo being anointed. I'm not sure I could find the article again without massive searching.

The way I recall it (and my recollection is admittedly faulty at times :) ) is that McAdoo was saying that he was stepping back from TC's role in the draft and concentrating on simply coaching.

I'm quite sure he still pays attention to the process and has input. But it also makes sense that Coughlin had a very large say in the player acquisition process (he is a 2 time SB winning coach and borderline HOF), and it's obvious that such say wasn't paying dividends, so it makes sense that the dynamic would swing away from the coaching input. My impression is that new coaches usually get a little more say, but since McAdoo came from within, he may not be afforded such luxury. It's just my intuition, but I'd think this is the biggest input Reese is ever going to have. Of course, if he produces, he may hold on to that share.

In comment 12914344 fkap said:

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it was an article linked here several months ago. right around the time of TC going and a couple weeks after McAdoo being anointed. I'm not sure I could find the article again without massive searching. The way I recall it (and my recollection is admittedly faulty at times :) ) is that McAdoo was saying that he was stepping back from TC's role in the draft and concentrating on simply coaching. I'm quite sure he still pays attention to the process and has input. But it also makes sense that Coughlin had a very large say in the player acquisition process (he is a 2 time SB winning coach and borderline HOF), and it's obvious that such say wasn't paying dividends, so it makes sense that the dynamic would swing away from the coaching input. My impression is that new coaches usually get a little more say, but since McAdoo came from within, he may not be afforded such luxury. It's just my intuition, but I'd think this is the biggest input Reese is ever going to have. Of course, if he produces, he may hold on to that share.

Fwiw(possibly nothing) Reese PC today re McAdoo:

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Now that he’s the head coach, what would you say is the biggest difference in terms of his involvement in previous drafts and this one? A: He was the coordinator last year. In this draft, he’s in on all of the meetings. He’s in the defensive players, offensive players and the special teams. He’s in all of the meetings. Last year, he was just in the offensive player meetings. So that in and of itself is different.

No mention of taking a back seat or focusing on coaching.

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Before he causes more years worth of damage to the team!

Fire Reese.

No more poor drafts. Talent depleting moves, contracts and selections

Giants need new talent acquirers.

No more Reese picks

for the Western half of the Country?

I'd like to know that before I believe anything coming out of Jints central.

thank You Colin for the reminder. I think it's natural to want to either blame or give credit to 1 individual. The 'Finding Giants' episodes corroborate what you're saying, that draft choices are truly made with organizational consensus, and the Giants use a process that includes input from many people.

In comment 12914455 Gross Blau Oberst said:

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Before he causes more years worth of damage to the team! Fire Reese. No more poor drafts. Talent depleting moves, contracts and selections Giants need new talent acquirers. No more Reese picks

You might as well go root for another team then, because Reese isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future.

Or, you can just keep on posting the same nonsense over and over again if it makes you feel happy.

if changes are made to the scouting methods and staff once the draft is over. Are they considered Coughlin's guys or is it someone else that puts together the scouting and those that eval prospects?

draft philosophy changes with Uncle Tom out of the picture and new assistant coaches.

I think the front office knows to a man they better get their player ratings right. I think they all have that sense of urgency even though Reese acts like a tough guy.

I'll go out on a limb and believe this will be the most productive draft the Giants have had in years. Sadly, it takes 3-4 years to be able to prove that claim. I'm optimistic.

Absolutely unlike every other draft he has run since being promoted to general manager. This one right here is the one that defines Jerry Reese. Not at all.

In comment 12914682 Klaatu said:

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You might as well go root for another team then, because Reese isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future.

You know this how exactly?

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In comment 12914682 Klaatu said: Quote: You might as well go root for another team then, because Reese isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future. You know this how exactly?

Why should I tell you? Go find your own sources.

In comment 12914978 mrvax said:

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draft philosophy changes with Uncle Tom out of the picture and new assistant coaches. I think the front office knows to a man they better get their player ratings right. I think they all have that sense of urgency even though Reese acts like a tough guy. I'll go out on a limb and believe this will be the most productive draft the Giants have had in years. Sadly, it takes 3-4 years to be able to prove that claim. I'm optimistic.

I don't know if that's the best nickname to go with for TC. Yikes man.

I'd give 2:1 odds if someone wants to bet against that proposition.

In comment 12914329 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12914314 Colin@gbn said: Quote: Afternoon guys: Just a week to go; interesting thread Jay. The only problem as several responders noted and as I have argued to the point I almost have a virtual headache Jerry Reese doesn't make the picks. Never has and likely never will. Obviously, Reese plays a role and it is an important role. However, the whole Giants structure since the days of George Young when it comes to the personnel area is that no one individual has a disproportionate voice. Lets review the process one more time. The Giants invest literally hundreds of man-hours every year scouting college players; at least three scouts go to each majpor program in the country over the season and by the end of the process as many as 8-10 scouts, coaches, and other senior personnel people will have studied game tape and graded the top prospects. Ross and his people then put together a preliminary board and pretty much the whole staff then get together and tweak the board. The whole staff then gets together before the draft and hashes out a final short list of guys that they really like either because they are really good players period or fit a need and are good value. In the end, Reese's role is more like that of a chairman of the board seeking a consensus rather than a final arbiter. I realize its a whole lot easier to think otherwise because it allows one to think that jeez if we just got rid of Reese then we'd get back to winning Super Bowls (although the irony to that is that Reese actually more direct role in player evaluating in the Accorsi years than he does now). And sorry no simply getting Ross instead won't have any more of an impact. But after the consensus, isn't it Reese who makes the final call as to what player goes on the card en route to the podium?

Exactly, he is the one with the final say, the person who makes the deciding vote.