And you can keep pushing to play with 10 players on offense. Maybe 9 if we start with 3 WR sets. And God forbid, OBJ gets another hammy and misses a game or two. We might have to trade down to be top 5.
You're welcome. I'll send you some cheese to go with your whine. ;)
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
I agree. Many WRs don't really get it until the 3rd year. It's a rather difficult transition to make for that position. A lot struggle with the playbook.
Far more common to succeed in the 1st year is a RB.
I hope Geremy Davis improves along with Donnell & Fells. Give Eli a variety of decent targets.
Keep the defense guessing.
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
Great Answer Klaatu, Good Rookie WR's happen all the time. And this is a draft that has enough WR options at #40. Shepherd, Boyd, Caroo, etc.
last year this time Cruz was in the midst of his epic comeback and Randle was the #2/outside WR.
we had months before the James Jones debcacle.
Preston Parker was "next man up"
so until the draft and the rest of free agency where guys like Anquan Boldin (despite their being no Giants interest so far) and Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White (all older veterans on the downside or slightly past it, but my point is who knows).
If September 11 rolls around and the #2 WR is still Miles White or Dwayne Harris then I think we have an issue.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
If I were Jerry, I would see if the #10 pick could get us any one of the people on that list (plus I'd add in someone like Demaryius Thomas, Antonio Brown or even Bryant, Hilton or even maybe Desean Jackson, even if I had to sweeten it with a pick next year).
since we still have question marks at TE, RB, OL. You cannot have some many question marks on your offense, and have an elite one at that. We still lack talent across the board on offense. We have Eli, OBJ, Pugh, and Richburg that have cemented themselves as good players at their positions. The others are either progressing, injury laden, or fair players.
this could be another one of Reese's gambles.....he used most of the cap on defense, and thus far nothing for the offense.....
From the draft, he could get a starting OLman, and then take a shot at a WR.....let's face it, there have been unrealistic expectations from the draft, where some say we need 6 starters from the draft....we will be lucky if we get one....if more than one starts, chances are because it is out of necessity, not because he is the best player for the position ......and then there is still the free safety issue....one could be drafted in the second or third round, and thrown to the wolves like Collins was last year, and you hope for the best....
I think Reese has a mandate from the front office.....they gave him a blank check, and said, make the playoffs this season....luckily, the NFC Least is there for the taking with no one team, head and shoulders, above an other.....but if this team, for whatever reason, does not make it, Reese could be following Gilbride, Fewell, and Coughlin....
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We have Eli, OBJ, Pugh, and Richburg that have cemented themselves as good players at their positions. The others are either progressing, injury laden, or fair players.
In other words, its not good enough.
Agree...this offense scored points last season against middle of the road defenses, and for the most part, were playing catch up, in the second half....they are one dimensional...just surprised the opposing DC's did not take away OBj in the games, more....
Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
If this were true, Preston Parker wouldn't be in jail, Nicks would not be gone, Randle would not be giving everyone strong sighs of relief, no one would ever decry Ramses Barden, there never would have been a single James Jones thread...
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
If I were Jerry, I would see if the #10 pick could get us any one of the people on that list (plus I'd add in someone like Demaryius Thomas, Antonio Brown or even Bryant, Hilton or even maybe Desean Jackson, even if I had to sweeten it with a pick next year).
Any of the people? Trading a #10 for Cooks or Hurns is just absurd
Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
If this were true, Preston Parker wouldn't be in jail, Nicks would not be gone, Randle would not be giving everyone strong sighs of relief, no one would ever decry Ramses Barden, there never would have been a single James Jones thread...
Victor Cruz, Kevin Boss, Jake Ballard, Larry Donnell, Will Tye disagree.
I'd say the failures failed DESPITE the opportunities offered playing with E. Seriously, Reuben Randle is synonymous with Blown Route. Hakeem's demise is all injury.
Given time, Eli can make good receivers into great ones. Plain and simple. He CANNOT make shitty o-linemen play better. The quick-release system helps, but the fact is, this team lives and dies by Eli. Eli is best with a solid OL.
Do you think it's significant that nobody on that list is a WR? Â
I guess Cruz might be an exception if a slot and outside WR are overlapping.
Not really. Seems like every few years, the Giants have a crisis at WR or TE, and it usually works out. Victor Cruz is certainly exhibit A, but how many times have we seen 100 yard games produced by player's who can't perform at that level once they leave NY?
Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
If this were true, Preston Parker wouldn't be in jail, Nicks would not be gone, Randle would not be giving everyone strong sighs of relief, no one would ever decry Ramses Barden, there never would have been a single James Jones thread...
Victor Cruz, Kevin Boss, Jake Ballard, Larry Donnell, Will Tye disagree.
I'd say the failures failed DESPITE the opportunities offered playing with E. Seriously, Reuben Randle is synonymous with Blown Route. Hakeem's demise is all injury.
Given time, Eli can make good receivers into great ones. Plain and simple. He CANNOT make shitty o-linemen play better. The quick-release system helps, but the fact is, this team lives and dies by Eli. Eli is best with a solid OL.
Why wasn't Eli making good WR's into great WR's until Beckham came along in 2014. the offense was sputtering beyond Cruz. Who are the good WR's Eli made great? I'd love to see that list.
You give Eli too much credit. And any QB for that matter. Look at the Pats offense when Gronk and Edleman were injured, Brady wasn't making no-name receivers into great receivers no matter how much time he had. the offense struggled.
disagree with this premise.
And as much as I like Eli I 100% believe he needs Beckham more than Beckham needs him.
what we do have is Cruz coming back from almost 2 years of inactivity who still has a lot to prove as far as his health is concerned. Jerry Reese is not going to gamble his own career on thinking Cruz will be fine and so for that fact alone we will be bringing in a WR who can step in and start...
I would not count on a late round WR draftee to start. Cruz will probably be placed in the slot again so the Giants need a guy who can play X or Z.
If the Gmen can't find the guy in the draft, take a look at the veteran free agents the Giants have to chose from. May only get a year or 2 from them. Beckham does need someone to pull a little heat off his ass.
That's no different than saying we could just find a late round OT or whoever is left in FA to start for Newhouse. Except that Newhouse is better than who we have currently at WR.
Is going to come back with a vengeance this year and prove all the haters/doubters wrong.
I say 87/1,233/9 type of #'s,and that's with Oddell hauling in everything that comes his way as well while playing in (all 16)regular season games on the way to the postseason!:)
Have a lot of optimism about this season and have a gut feeling it's going to be a good year,possibly special.
This coaching staff has been challenged and the players as well,with Caughlin stepping down/(being fired)there's some extra motivation to succeed.
If they don't win atleast 10 games thius year i'll be very surprised!!!
And the likelihood that he plays a season but at journeyman level are just as good, if not better, than the likelihood that he plays at anything close to his peak. The last would be almost unprecedented and it's foolish to pin your team strategy on it happening.
I do agree that we could win 10 or more though or we could win three or fewer. only three factors account for that: the health of Eli, OBJ, and having an impact WR other than OBJ. Given full health, an actual starting WR is the lynchpin for this team.
You're welcome. I'll send you some cheese to go with your whine. ;)
I also think the Giants will target Carroo in round 3 as a previous poster referenced, to come in and compete with Davis.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
Most pro ready WR in the draft. I hope he is our 2nd rounder
I agree. Many WRs don't really get it until the 3rd year. It's a rather difficult transition to make for that position. A lot struggle with the playbook.
Far more common to succeed in the 1st year is a RB.
I hope Geremy Davis improves along with Donnell & Fells. Give Eli a variety of decent targets.
Keep the defense guessing.
So they're counting on a draft pick to start?
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
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Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
Great Answer Klaatu, Good Rookie WR's happen all the time. And this is a draft that has enough WR options at #40. Shepherd, Boyd, Caroo, etc.
we had months before the James Jones debcacle.
Preston Parker was "next man up"
so until the draft and the rest of free agency where guys like Anquan Boldin (despite their being no Giants interest so far) and Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White (all older veterans on the downside or slightly past it, but my point is who knows).
If September 11 rolls around and the #2 WR is still Miles White or Dwayne Harris then I think we have an issue.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
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The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
In other words, its not good enough.
From the draft, he could get a starting OLman, and then take a shot at a WR.....let's face it, there have been unrealistic expectations from the draft, where some say we need 6 starters from the draft....we will be lucky if we get one....if more than one starts, chances are because it is out of necessity, not because he is the best player for the position ......and then there is still the free safety issue....one could be drafted in the second or third round, and thrown to the wolves like Collins was last year, and you hope for the best....
I think Reese has a mandate from the front office.....they gave him a blank check, and said, make the playoffs this season....luckily, the NFC Least is there for the taking with no one team, head and shoulders, above an other.....but if this team, for whatever reason, does not make it, Reese could be following Gilbride, Fewell, and Coughlin....
We have Eli, OBJ, Pugh, and Richburg that have cemented themselves as good players at their positions. The others are either progressing, injury laden, or fair players.
In other words, its not good enough.
Agree...this offense scored points last season against middle of the road defenses, and for the most part, were playing catch up, in the second half....they are one dimensional...just surprised the opposing DC's did not take away OBj in the games, more....
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
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The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
If I were Jerry, I would see if the #10 pick could get us any one of the people on that list (plus I'd add in someone like Demaryius Thomas, Antonio Brown or even Bryant, Hilton or even maybe Desean Jackson, even if I had to sweeten it with a pick next year).
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Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
If this were true, Preston Parker wouldn't be in jail, Nicks would not be gone, Randle would not be giving everyone strong sighs of relief, no one would ever decry Ramses Barden, there never would have been a single James Jones thread...
I'd say the failures failed DESPITE the opportunities offered playing with E. Seriously, Reuben Randle is synonymous with Blown Route. Hakeem's demise is all injury.
Given time, Eli can make good receivers into great ones. Plain and simple. He CANNOT make shitty o-linemen play better. The quick-release system helps, but the fact is, this team lives and dies by Eli. Eli is best with a solid OL.
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Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
If this were true, Preston Parker wouldn't be in jail, Nicks would not be gone, Randle would not be giving everyone strong sighs of relief, no one would ever decry Ramses Barden, there never would have been a single James Jones thread...
Victor Cruz, Kevin Boss, Jake Ballard, Larry Donnell, Will Tye disagree.
I'd say the failures failed DESPITE the opportunities offered playing with E. Seriously, Reuben Randle is synonymous with Blown Route. Hakeem's demise is all injury.
Given time, Eli can make good receivers into great ones. Plain and simple. He CANNOT make shitty o-linemen play better. The quick-release system helps, but the fact is, this team lives and dies by Eli. Eli is best with a solid OL.
Why wasn't Eli making good WR's into great WR's until Beckham came along in 2014. the offense was sputtering beyond Cruz. Who are the good WR's Eli made great? I'd love to see that list.
You give Eli too much credit. And any QB for that matter. Look at the Pats offense when Gronk and Edleman were injured, Brady wasn't making no-name receivers into great receivers no matter how much time he had. the offense struggled.
disagree with this premise.
And as much as I like Eli I 100% believe he needs Beckham more than Beckham needs him.
If the Gmen can't find the guy in the draft, take a look at the veteran free agents the Giants have to chose from. May only get a year or 2 from them. Beckham does need someone to pull a little heat off his ass.
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If Cruz recovers and has that 80-1050-6 type year, steady, we are a better team than last year. That simple really.
Did you miss the part where he only has 1 and a half feet now.
So I highly doubt he'll be running routes any time soon!
hahaha...
Man the lack of football knowledge on this site is a laugh...
I say 87/1,233/9 type of #'s,and that's with Oddell hauling in everything that comes his way as well while playing in (all 16)regular season games on the way to the postseason!:)
Have a lot of optimism about this season and have a gut feeling it's going to be a good year,possibly special.
This coaching staff has been challenged and the players as well,with Caughlin stepping down/(being fired)there's some extra motivation to succeed.
If they don't win atleast 10 games thius year i'll be very surprised!!!
I do agree that we could win 10 or more though or we could win three or fewer. only three factors account for that: the health of Eli, OBJ, and having an impact WR other than OBJ. Given full health, an actual starting WR is the lynchpin for this team.
Nice call Jeff.
Agree 100% Bill.