There is no #2 WR. That is purely a depth chart construct. There are 2 starting WR. We only have one and will end up picking at the top of the 2017 draft without a second starter. Just like there is no 2nd OT; there is a LOT and a ROT. Like wise, we have a LDE and a RDE not a number one and number 2 DE. Ditto CB.
I wonder if "symmetry" is one of those big words people like to start threads about?
If the Giants don't come away with a WR in the first three rounds. I believe Leonte Carroo is going to be a target for them.
As for incumbents, Harris I think is a slot only guy.
But I think people have disregarded Geremy Davis too quickly. I think he can win that job, it will be interesting to see what happens in camp/pre-season.
those guys, but Cruz is going to play and he is going to be good.
Depending on when they take a WR in the draft
2nd round could get Josh Doctson, Will Fuller, Tyler Boyd, or Michael Thomas. I think any of those guys could be better than Randle ever was.
3rd round Pharaoh Cooper, not sure about Braxton Miller, but he would be able to throw the ball which would be cool.
RE: Most likely a veteran signee. There are plenty of young guys at WR Â
already. Asking a 2nd rounder to step in and produce like a starter is unfair.
nobody good enough to do the job left IMO. Hate to say it because I didn't like him at all, but Randle was the best we could have done. And I believe to the bottom of my soul that suckass Reuben Randle, with the defensive FA signings we already did, was the difference between playoffs and the next top pick or so.
Randle did things that made the Giants 100% certain that they didn't want him back. McAdoo must have had some say in it also.
I saw what he did/didn't do. It's a shame that a guy who had the God-given talent to be a real good WR in the NFL and he just doesn't have the guts for it.
I think they will get a solid replacement for him soon.
Randle did things that made the Giants 100% certain that they didn't want him back. McAdoo must have had some say in it also.
I saw what he did/didn't do. It's a shame that a guy who had the God-given talent to be a real good WR in the NFL and he just doesn't have the guts for it.
I think they will get a solid replacement for him soon.
totally agree. But he had a game or two where he made an impact. That's more than anyone we have or could have this year (short of trading for an established starter...my druthers) could do. As miserable as he the difference in succession and failure this season IMO.
And guys already on the roster can get better. Also, good offenses work around deficiencies at WR, by throwing to their backs and TEs more.
But, Bill, if you want to keep repeating yourself about the Giants picking in the top five, or whatever, in 2017 without a bona fide #2 WR, go right ahead.
And you can keep pushing to play with 10 players on offense. Maybe 9 if we start with 3 WR sets. And God forbid, OBJ gets another hammy and misses a game or two. We might have to trade down to be top 5.
Seriously doubt they go with one at #10, and the best, that can start, will be gone by the time we get to that second pick....
As for what is already on the roster, they are what they are.....Harris has played well, but I just don't see him getting much better.....he is punt returner with speed trying to be a WR.....Cruz would be a plus......but can he play 16 games, and at what level? The rest are just a huge question mark.....
As for free agency, I think Reese is waiting as long as possible(until after the draft?), before he dives into that pool.....
And you can keep pushing to play with 10 players on offense. Maybe 9 if we start with 3 WR sets. And God forbid, OBJ gets another hammy and misses a game or two. We might have to trade down to be top 5.
You're welcome. I'll send you some cheese to go with your whine. ;)
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
I agree. Many WRs don't really get it until the 3rd year. It's a rather difficult transition to make for that position. A lot struggle with the playbook.
Far more common to succeed in the 1st year is a RB.
I hope Geremy Davis improves along with Donnell & Fells. Give Eli a variety of decent targets.
Keep the defense guessing.
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
Great Answer Klaatu, Good Rookie WR's happen all the time. And this is a draft that has enough WR options at #40. Shepherd, Boyd, Caroo, etc.
last year this time Cruz was in the midst of his epic comeback and Randle was the #2/outside WR.
we had months before the James Jones debcacle.
Preston Parker was "next man up"
so until the draft and the rest of free agency where guys like Anquan Boldin (despite their being no Giants interest so far) and Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White (all older veterans on the downside or slightly past it, but my point is who knows).
If September 11 rolls around and the #2 WR is still Miles White or Dwayne Harris then I think we have an issue.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
If I were Jerry, I would see if the #10 pick could get us any one of the people on that list (plus I'd add in someone like Demaryius Thomas, Antonio Brown or even Bryant, Hilton or even maybe Desean Jackson, even if I had to sweeten it with a pick next year).
since we still have question marks at TE, RB, OL. You cannot have some many question marks on your offense, and have an elite one at that. We still lack talent across the board on offense. We have Eli, OBJ, Pugh, and Richburg that have cemented themselves as good players at their positions. The others are either progressing, injury laden, or fair players.
this could be another one of Reese's gambles.....he used most of the cap on defense, and thus far nothing for the offense.....
From the draft, he could get a starting OLman, and then take a shot at a WR.....let's face it, there have been unrealistic expectations from the draft, where some say we need 6 starters from the draft....we will be lucky if we get one....if more than one starts, chances are because it is out of necessity, not because he is the best player for the position ......and then there is still the free safety issue....one could be drafted in the second or third round, and thrown to the wolves like Collins was last year, and you hope for the best....
I think Reese has a mandate from the front office.....they gave him a blank check, and said, make the playoffs this season....luckily, the NFC Least is there for the taking with no one team, head and shoulders, above an other.....but if this team, for whatever reason, does not make it, Reese could be following Gilbride, Fewell, and Coughlin....
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We have Eli, OBJ, Pugh, and Richburg that have cemented themselves as good players at their positions. The others are either progressing, injury laden, or fair players.
In other words, its not good enough.
Agree...this offense scored points last season against middle of the road defenses, and for the most part, were playing catch up, in the second half....they are one dimensional...just surprised the opposing DC's did not take away OBj in the games, more....
Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
Eli will make them look good. As long as Beckham is drawing attention, whoever is on the other side will see plenty of accurately thrown balls. Just run the right fucking route and the ball will be there.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
If this were true, Preston Parker wouldn't be in jail, Nicks would not be gone, Randle would not be giving everyone strong sighs of relief, no one would ever decry Ramses Barden, there never would have been a single James Jones thread...
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
If I were Jerry, I would see if the #10 pick could get us any one of the people on that list (plus I'd add in someone like Demaryius Thomas, Antonio Brown or even Bryant, Hilton or even maybe Desean Jackson, even if I had to sweeten it with a pick next year).
Any of the people? Trading a #10 for Cooks or Hurns is just absurd
No doubt, a #2 WR will be set before they begin the season. Need to see how Cruz is also.
Yeah, and I don't see us taking Treadwell or a WR early, thus the thread.
I wonder if "symmetry" is one of those big words people like to start threads about?
As for incumbents, Harris I think is a slot only guy.
But I think people have disregarded Geremy Davis too quickly. I think he can win that job, it will be interesting to see what happens in camp/pre-season.
-elimacadoo2016
Depending on when they take a WR in the draft
2nd round could get Josh Doctson, Will Fuller, Tyler Boyd, or Michael Thomas. I think any of those guys could be better than Randle ever was.
3rd round Pharaoh Cooper, not sure about Braxton Miller, but he would be able to throw the ball which would be cool.
^This.
I saw what he did/didn't do. It's a shame that a guy who had the God-given talent to be a real good WR in the NFL and he just doesn't have the guts for it.
I think they will get a solid replacement for him soon.
I saw what he did/didn't do. It's a shame that a guy who had the God-given talent to be a real good WR in the NFL and he just doesn't have the guts for it.
I think they will get a solid replacement for him soon.
Anyone who drafts a player to plug them in day one is making a big mistake. Far too many variables.
Hopefully it's Cruz.
But, Bill, if you want to keep repeating yourself about the Giants picking in the top five, or whatever, in 2017 without a bona fide #2 WR, go right ahead.
As for what is already on the roster, they are what they are.....Harris has played well, but I just don't see him getting much better.....he is punt returner with speed trying to be a WR.....Cruz would be a plus......but can he play 16 games, and at what level? The rest are just a huge question mark.....
As for free agency, I think Reese is waiting as long as possible(until after the draft?), before he dives into that pool.....
You're welcome. I'll send you some cheese to go with your whine. ;)
I also think the Giants will target Carroo in round 3 as a previous poster referenced, to come in and compete with Davis.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
Most pro ready WR in the draft. I hope he is our 2nd rounder
I agree. Many WRs don't really get it until the 3rd year. It's a rather difficult transition to make for that position. A lot struggle with the playbook.
Far more common to succeed in the 1st year is a RB.
I hope Geremy Davis improves along with Donnell & Fells. Give Eli a variety of decent targets.
Keep the defense guessing.
So they're counting on a draft pick to start?
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
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Actually, more often than not rookie WRs do NOT come in and make an impact.
The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
The 2015 draft (which was considered a stronger WR draft than this year) is more the norm.
Amari Cooper (4th overall player selected) had a great rookie year with 72 rec. 1,072 yds.
8 other WRs were drafted after Cooper through pick 41 and they averaged 23 rec. 357 yds...and I didn't even factor in the two WRs who missed the entire year.
Rueben Randle had 57 rec. and 797 yds...more than any other rookie WR not named Cooper and twice the average of the rookies chosen after Cooper.
If the Giants draft a WR with pick 41 maybe they get lucky, but I wouldn’t count on a rookie year “impact”.
The 2014 draft also featured Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, John Brown, and Donte Moncrief, who all had very productive rookie seasons. Regardless, I didn't say that every rookie WR is going to make an impact, but it does happen.
If you go back to 2013 and 2012, you'll find guys like DeAndre Hopkins, Cordarrelle Patterson, Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Kenny Stills, and T.Y. Hilton, who all had pretty good rookie seasons, with varying degrees of quarterback play.
There are also varying degrees of "impact," and it's not just measured in stats. Sure, Randle had good numbers, and still the Giants had little or no interest in re-signing him. Seems to me his "impact" was more negative than positive.
Our own Steve Smith had his rookie season interrupted by an injury that cost him eleven regular season games. But his impact down the stretch in 2007, and in the playoffs, is undeniable. Still, one wonders what kind of numbers he (and Eli) could have put up if he had been healthy all year long.
So, to hell with Randle. I'll take another Steve Smith in the 2nd round (or a Manningham in the 3rd).
Great Answer Klaatu, Good Rookie WR's happen all the time. And this is a draft that has enough WR options at #40. Shepherd, Boyd, Caroo, etc.
we had months before the James Jones debcacle.
Preston Parker was "next man up"
so until the draft and the rest of free agency where guys like Anquan Boldin (despite their being no Giants interest so far) and Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Roddy White (all older veterans on the downside or slightly past it, but my point is who knows).
If September 11 rolls around and the #2 WR is still Miles White or Dwayne Harris then I think we have an issue.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
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The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
In other words, its not good enough.
From the draft, he could get a starting OLman, and then take a shot at a WR.....let's face it, there have been unrealistic expectations from the draft, where some say we need 6 starters from the draft....we will be lucky if we get one....if more than one starts, chances are because it is out of necessity, not because he is the best player for the position ......and then there is still the free safety issue....one could be drafted in the second or third round, and thrown to the wolves like Collins was last year, and you hope for the best....
I think Reese has a mandate from the front office.....they gave him a blank check, and said, make the playoffs this season....luckily, the NFC Least is there for the taking with no one team, head and shoulders, above an other.....but if this team, for whatever reason, does not make it, Reese could be following Gilbride, Fewell, and Coughlin....
We have Eli, OBJ, Pugh, and Richburg that have cemented themselves as good players at their positions. The others are either progressing, injury laden, or fair players.
In other words, its not good enough.
Agree...this offense scored points last season against middle of the road defenses, and for the most part, were playing catch up, in the second half....they are one dimensional...just surprised the opposing DC's did not take away OBj in the games, more....
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
We've seen Eli turn NUMEROUS nobodies into good receivers and TE's, and in the case of Cruz, an All-Pro.
I'm not sweating #2 WR. Remember Derek Hagan? Eli got a 100 yard game out of that guy a week after he was home on the couch.
The key isn't #2 WR. It's #1 LG/LT and OL depth. Give Eli time, he can make most bums into hero's.... as long as they run correct routes.
I'd actually like to see Nicks get one more shot. He's still young.
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The 2014 draft was an anomaly with OBJ, Evans and Watson.
in addition to OBJ, Evans, and Watkins who were ridiculous, 2014 rookie WR's who made an impact included:
Kelvin Benjamin 73 1008 9
Jarvis Landry 84 758 5
Jordan Matthews 67 872 8
Brandin Cooks 53 550 3
Allen Robinson 48 548 2
John Brown 48 696 5
Allen Hurns 51 677 6
these are off the top of my head (the names not the stats)
it rivals 1996 as the best WR class ever (rookie years) and possibly going forward if they stay healthy.
So, I'm not saying count on a rookie contribution but I don't think in today's NFL you still have the "3 year light bulb" you can wait on for WR's. You only get a 4 year rookie deal and it would not be unusual to me for a rookie to be the #2 WR this year.
If I were Jerry, I would see if the #10 pick could get us any one of the people on that list (plus I'd add in someone like Demaryius Thomas, Antonio Brown or even Bryant, Hilton or even maybe Desean Jackson, even if I had to sweeten it with a pick next year).