Matt Miller & #8207;@nfldraftscout 5m5 minutes ago
The buzz around Jack Conklin is real. Don't think he goes to the 49ers, but he's getting top 10 talk from my contacts
Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Conklin can play both tackle spots probably well and might excel at guard. He's versatile - lots of teams will covet that, including top 10 teams.
Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Conklin can play both tackle spots probably well and might excel at guard. He's versatile - lots of teams will covet that, including top 10 teams.
I think I agree with Vanzetti. But, I'm curious about the player. His major asset seems to be that he is a road grader. Haven't heard very much about his ability to pass block. I have trouble seeing how a guy who is stronger than the college guys who lined up opposite him is a top 10 draft pick. I'd much rather draft the better athlete because, all things being equal, he has a higher upside. I wonder how Conklin when he's not playing against college DEs. There are lots of guys who were great road graders in college who never became big time players in the NFL.
Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Man, that is such BS. Nobody gives a damn about his backstory. Nobody is going to draft him because of his backstory. You just keep peddling the same crap without anything to back it up.
like Stanley at LT and think he's going to be very good. But if the Giants covet more of a brawler who can switch positions now and again, I'd be fine with that. I just think Stanley has more upside to be a top 5 LT in the league.
Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Man, that is such BS. Nobody gives a damn about his backstory. Nobody is going to draft him because of his backstory. You just keep peddling the same crap without anything to back it up.
Right. No one is going to draft him because of the feel good story. That's why I think he goes mid round.
We are not disagreeing. You just have a higher opinion of Conklin than I do.
Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Man, that is such BS. Nobody gives a damn about his backstory. Nobody is going to draft him because of his backstory. You just keep peddling the same crap without anything to back it up.
Right. No one is going to draft him because of the feel good story. That's why I think he goes mid round.
We are not disagreeing. You just have a higher opinion of Conklin than I do.
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Vanzetti : 4/19/2016 4:24 pm : link : reply
of Tony Mandarich. Not going to live up to the hype. He won't be as bad as Tony because he has a great work ethic. But he is never going to be anything other than OK.
and I'd be ok with him at 10..He did play OLT his first yearso there's that..Too, if he's a more talented Diehl-like SOB, then he probably could acquit himself rather well if called upon to play OLT
would be a great fit for this team. Too many people rely on these mocks and so called experts but that means little to NFl people. A few years ago Eric Fisher ended up going at the top of the draft even though other players were considered better NFl prospects (other positions).
The need to protect your QB has become bigger and bigger. You bring in Conklin and now RT and LT are covered, LG is covered and Center is covered. Finding a RG now would be a bit easier.
Look at the NFC East, Dlines are not great (pHilly is pretty good, Washington ok and Dallas is empty for first 4 weeks) and if you can punish teams on the ground and pass protect with out keeping extra players in you will succeed offensively.
like Stanley at LT and think he's going to be very good. But if the Giants covet more of a brawler who can switch positions now and again, I'd be fine with that. I just think Stanley has more upside to be a top 5 LT in the league.
Based on Okung, Penn, and Clady news, they aren't looking at LT. They're looking at a versatile guy but starts at RT.
than add the level of play and that Conklin can play Tackle and it is a given that he is liked.
The opposite is also true, no football coach at any level wants to see a soft player on their team -- they make exceptions because of need and talent, but they never let it rest that the player is soft.
Did pick Conklin, I would be fine with it. What I would like more then anything is for them to trade back and add a second rounder, we need too much to help this team enough, but if they love a player there at 10 then you have to grab him.
I would not be stunned to see the Giants trade up a couple of spots if they can nab Jack, I think of all the players in this draft that he may end up as the best player. if they did do that I would be Ok with it.
But to get back to the point, what would be great is if the Giants moved back a few spots, even if it were for a third rounder and still nab Conklin, that would be a real thrill for me. I do like this player and he fits a need on this team which is a bonus.
Did pick Conklin, I would be fine with it. What I would like more then anything is for them to trade back and add a second rounder, we need too much to help this team enough, but if they love a player there at 10 then you have to grab him.
I would not be stunned to see the Giants trade up a couple of spots if they can nab Jack, I think of all the players in this draft that he may end up as the best player. if they did do that I would be Ok with it.
But to get back to the point, what would be great is if the Giants moved back a few spots, even if it were for a third rounder and still nab Conklin, that would be a real thrill for me. I do like this player and he fits a need on this team which is a bonus.
My thoughts are in line with yours, Paul... I think Tennessee is the ideal trade partner. And given that they now have several 2nd rounders, even though I don't think they would part with any of them to move up to 10, they may part with the 1st pick in the 3rd round which I would be ok with. I think they want to move back up, and 15 is about the limit in terms of how far back I would like the Giants to go. I think we have to be careful there. But this team is just begging for another pick in the 2-3 round range, it really would be a boon for the Giants to add another pick.
and I'm still trying to figure out all of this plodding feet, RT only nonsense. This is a tough, smart and athletic kid that you could plug in Day 1. He's further along than Flowers at this point last year and we took him 8th overall.
Conklin went up against both Ohio St and Oregon this season which happens to have the top two defensive lineman in the draft by most accounts. Buckner had 1 TFL which was his only solo tackle in the game and that was when Conklin slipped. He was non existent the rest of the game. In the Ohio St. upset, Bosa lined up on Conklin's side a total of 10 snaps. Why? Because in 2014 he limited Bosa to 1 tackle for the game. It was one of 3 games in the '14 season where Bosa didn't record a TFL. The other two were Wisconsin where he saw limited snaps in a blowout and Alabama where he went up against a potential #1 overall pick in next year's draft in Cam Robinson.
Conklin is the real deal and the #2 OT in this class imo behind Tunsil, but not that far behind. I'd prefer a defensive player as well but I'll be damned if I reach for someone else when we have a potential All Pro staring us in the face, especially when we have two huge question marks on the line currently.
IMO. Stanley is a great athlete but isn't much a run blocker at this point. While not the same caliber athlete, Conklin doesn't have a glaring weakness in his game. He can start at 4 positions as early as this year. I think he goes top 12 and Stanley is drafted soon after.
Game cut-up last weekend of Buckner in the Oregon-MichSt game. My eyes were peeled on Buckner, and Conklin kept stealing the show over and over and over again
because it always happens to who I want the Giants to pick. Conklin just seems to be the best pick when you add it all up. We will draft "potential" and really fuck this up. Just watch.
because it always happens to who I want the Giants to pick. Conklin just seems to be the best pick when you add it all up. We will draft "potential" and really fuck this up. Just watch.
Do you think before you post?
Say what you want about Reese.....he has a very good record when it comes to 1st Rd picks
Thought he played very well against Buckner and others. He is my preferred draft choice for round 1. No idea what the Giants will do because they do tend to go best player available in round 1. Now we just need to hunker down to wait and see.
We could do worse at #10, but he is not a LT. Heck, he might not even be a RT. He has really poor pass protect technique. Excels in the run game. Can he be coached up? Maybe.
Conklin can play both tackle spots probably well and might excel at guard. He's versatile - lots of teams will covet that, including top 10 teams.
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Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Conklin can play both tackle spots probably well and might excel at guard. He's versatile - lots of teams will covet that, including top 10 teams.
Hell, I covet that as a fan
Man, that is such BS. Nobody gives a damn about his backstory. Nobody is going to draft him because of his backstory. You just keep peddling the same crap without anything to back it up.
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Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Man, that is such BS. Nobody gives a damn about his backstory. Nobody is going to draft him because of his backstory. You just keep peddling the same crap without anything to back it up.
Right. No one is going to draft him because of the feel good story. That's why I think he goes mid round.
We are not disagreeing. You just have a higher opinion of Conklin than I do.
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Conklin is a feel good story that media and fans love. But that won't influence the professionals who run NFL drafts--unless you have some meddling owner. SF does have a meddling, moron for an Owner, so maybe it's possible Conklin goes there. But I doubt it. More likely in the middle of the first round
Man, that is such BS. Nobody gives a damn about his backstory. Nobody is going to draft him because of his backstory. You just keep peddling the same crap without anything to back it up.
Right. No one is going to draft him because of the feel good story. That's why I think he goes mid round.
We are not disagreeing. You just have a higher opinion of Conklin than I do.
Says the man who wrote:
Vanzetti : 4/19/2016 4:24 pm : link : reply
of Tony Mandarich. Not going to live up to the hype. He won't be as bad as Tony because he has a great work ethic. But he is never going to be anything other than OK.
The need to protect your QB has become bigger and bigger. You bring in Conklin and now RT and LT are covered, LG is covered and Center is covered. Finding a RG now would be a bit easier.
Look at the NFC East, Dlines are not great (pHilly is pretty good, Washington ok and Dallas is empty for first 4 weeks) and if you can punish teams on the ground and pass protect with out keeping extra players in you will succeed offensively.
Based on Okung, Penn, and Clady news, they aren't looking at LT. They're looking at a versatile guy but starts at RT.
The opposite is also true, no football coach at any level wants to see a soft player on their team -- they make exceptions because of need and talent, but they never let it rest that the player is soft.
I would not be stunned to see the Giants trade up a couple of spots if they can nab Jack, I think of all the players in this draft that he may end up as the best player. if they did do that I would be Ok with it.
But to get back to the point, what would be great is if the Giants moved back a few spots, even if it were for a third rounder and still nab Conklin, that would be a real thrill for me. I do like this player and he fits a need on this team which is a bonus.
I would not be stunned to see the Giants trade up a couple of spots if they can nab Jack, I think of all the players in this draft that he may end up as the best player. if they did do that I would be Ok with it.
But to get back to the point, what would be great is if the Giants moved back a few spots, even if it were for a third rounder and still nab Conklin, that would be a real thrill for me. I do like this player and he fits a need on this team which is a bonus.
My thoughts are in line with yours, Paul... I think Tennessee is the ideal trade partner. And given that they now have several 2nd rounders, even though I don't think they would part with any of them to move up to 10, they may part with the 1st pick in the 3rd round which I would be ok with. I think they want to move back up, and 15 is about the limit in terms of how far back I would like the Giants to go. I think we have to be careful there. But this team is just begging for another pick in the 2-3 round range, it really would be a boon for the Giants to add another pick.
Conklin went up against both Ohio St and Oregon this season which happens to have the top two defensive lineman in the draft by most accounts. Buckner had 1 TFL which was his only solo tackle in the game and that was when Conklin slipped. He was non existent the rest of the game. In the Ohio St. upset, Bosa lined up on Conklin's side a total of 10 snaps. Why? Because in 2014 he limited Bosa to 1 tackle for the game. It was one of 3 games in the '14 season where Bosa didn't record a TFL. The other two were Wisconsin where he saw limited snaps in a blowout and Alabama where he went up against a potential #1 overall pick in next year's draft in Cam Robinson.
Conklin is the real deal and the #2 OT in this class imo behind Tunsil, but not that far behind. I'd prefer a defensive player as well but I'll be damned if I reach for someone else when we have a potential All Pro staring us in the face, especially when we have two huge question marks on the line currently.
4 or 5, until they leave in FA
Do you think before you post?
Say what you want about Reese.....he has a very good record when it comes to 1st Rd picks