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I believe elliott falls to the giants.

wrecking crew : 4/23/2016 2:35 pm
I asked this question before. Do they draft him or trade down? I believe they will draft him. BPA at a position of need. Jennings is 31. Not much behind him.

If elliott and floyd are both are on the board at ten who would you pick?
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Gmen108021 : 4/23/2016 2:37 pm : link
if both are on the board i trade back, i think someone will want to come up for elliot or even lynch(assuming he is there too)

if just elliot there i listen to offers but honestly i prob stay put and take him barring a good offer.

ultimately i want the giants to come out of the first day with an impact defender.

jack falls he is an instant pick if i am GM
Tough call  
mrvax : 4/23/2016 2:39 pm : link
between Elliott & Floyd. Both would be a tremendous help on either side of the ball.
Elliot falls to the Giants and right past them  
Vanzetti : 4/23/2016 2:42 pm : link
I don't think they are taking a RB at 10.

Isn't David Wilson the only RB Jerry has taken higher than the 4th round? And most people think that wa a Coughlin pick. And it didn't exactly work out.

So I really doubt it's Elliot.
The Dolphins are said to be hot for Elliot, they may trade up to  
wgenesis123 : 4/23/2016 2:50 pm : link
get him. I myself would not throw the remote if the Giants pick him. Prefer a trade back though, not sold on Floyd.
'I believe elliott falls to the giants'...  
Torrag : 4/23/2016 2:53 pm : link
...that isn't a fall. He isn't a Top 10 talent...and he can keep on going to #11 and beyond.
Floyd  
Peppers : 4/23/2016 2:54 pm : link
Still at 31 Jennings has low miles and more to offer. He should be used more as a featured back as he's the type of back that likes to set his runs up. He's also a bigger back that can wear on defenses. That 4 back committee was stupid. When we went away from that the last 4 weeks of last season and featured Jennings more he had 79 carries 432 yards for a 5.5 average. That was just about as many carries as he had in the previous 9 games combined.

I wouldn't mind drafting a RB in rounds 3-6 but the need isn't there to spend a top 10 pick on a guy like Elliot. Also, take a look at next years RB class. Its going to be one of the best we've ever seen.

If I had to take a guy in this years draft. I like Paul Perkins in the 3rd round. Almost always makes the first guy miss. Very elusive, great vision. Can catch and sticks in there as a blocker. Much better value at that pick IMO.
RE: Elliot falls to the Giants and right past them  
DonQuixote : 4/23/2016 2:56 pm : link
In comment 12917469 Vanzetti said:
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I don't think they are taking a RB at 10.

Isn't David Wilson the only RB Jerry has taken higher than the 4th round? And most people think that wa a Coughlin pick. And it didn't exactly work out.

So I really doubt it's Elliot.


I get a little weary of the overly simplistic narratives about David Wilson. First, to support your point, Wilson was selected 32nd overall, so a top ten pick on an RB would be unusual for sure.

But the notion that David Wilson did not work out, and that he was somehow drafted too high, I don't get that. Wilson fumbled a couple times early on but was a dynamic playmaker. I think he still holds the Giants record for all purpose yards in a single game (v. the Saints) where he combined for 100+ yards receiving and 200+ on returns (including a LOOONG TD return).

Wilson was injured and that sucks, but there is no reason to suggest that he was not a value pick and showed early signs of remarkable potential.
Here is a good laugh...fanspeak  
edavisiii : 4/23/2016 2:57 pm : link
I had tried one fanspeak before and Elliot fell to me. So this post had me do another which will give you all a good laugh. Who was picking on the other end for the other 31????? The computer???? I have been on here for 10 years, have not posted in about 3, but I had to post this. This would have most of you thrilled (especially the 1st) if it happened...
10: R1 S JALEN RAMSEY, FLORIDA STATE
40: R2 DT KENNY CLARK, UCLA
71: R3 OLB JOSHUA PERRY, OHIO STATE
109: R4 WR LEONTE CARROO, RUTGERS
149: R5 C GRAHAM GLASGOW, MICHIGAN (Alt - W. Beavers)
184: CB TAVON YOUNG, TEMPLE
Go big blue, great to be back, a few of us old GMEN fans from New England are still alive and well!
Let him keep falling  
jeff57 : 4/23/2016 3:00 pm : link
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Elliott is a very risky pick.  
Ira : 4/23/2016 3:47 pm : link
He ran through holes the size of the Grand Canyon.
RE: Here is a good laugh...fanspeak  
allstarjim : 4/23/2016 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12917492 edavisiii said:
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I had tried one fanspeak before and Elliot fell to me. So this post had me do another which will give you all a good laugh. Who was picking on the other end for the other 31????? The computer???? I have been on here for 10 years, have not posted in about 3, but I had to post this. This would have most of you thrilled (especially the 1st) if it happened...
10: R1 S JALEN RAMSEY, FLORIDA STATE
40: R2 DT KENNY CLARK, UCLA
71: R3 OLB JOSHUA PERRY, OHIO STATE
109: R4 WR LEONTE CARROO, RUTGERS
149: R5 C GRAHAM GLASGOW, MICHIGAN (Alt - W. Beavers)
184: CB TAVON YOUNG, TEMPLE
Go big blue, great to be back, a few of us old GMEN fans from New England are still alive and well!


Yeah that draft is a home friggin' run. And totally not happening, lol.
Does elliot have top end speed?  
xman : 4/23/2016 4:09 pm : link
No more Daynes
If it comes down to Elliot vs. Floyd it's a no brainer  
mavric : 4/23/2016 4:11 pm : link
- one player is the right size for the NFL and NFL ready, will run 1200-1400 yards a year, can catch like slot receiver, and can block like a 6th lineman

vs.

- the other player who is underweight, not particularly muscular, has no true position, college stats are unimpressive, but an above average athlete

Elliot in a heartbeat - no risk, instant offense, multi-dimensional, would confuse the defensive schemes which have been obvious, fewer 3-an-outs, fewer settling for FG's because we can't move the ball in the red zone, etc.

Floyd is a coin flip as to whether or not he can even play at the NFL level, and that's taking into consideration that he has to add weight and muscle first. And....(and it's a beg and) he doesn't have a position. He's a developmental project hoping he can build muscle over the next couple years to maybe play DE. If he pans out, could be a superstar. But there's just as good a chance that he'll be playing only a handful of plays a year when he's put in for an obvious rush play.
RE: Elliott is a very risky pick.  
geemanfan : 4/23/2016 4:19 pm : link
In comment 12917571 Ira said:
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He ran through holes the size of the Grand Canyon.


I completely disagree. Elliot is probably the safest pick in the draft and would be a early favorite for ROTY. He might be to much for them to pass on him depending who is still on the board.
Allstarjim......I know.  
edavisiii : 4/23/2016 4:24 pm : link
...the fanspeak had Noah Spence going to TB at 9. Someone would be on the hot seat if that really happened. But if that 3rd QB gets into the top 10 someone could fall we didn't expect. Look at 2011...Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder. Everybody is acting like they know what is going to happen and half the time...it doesn't go down that way. Teams get a hunch on QBs and they gamble.
Does nothing to fix the right side of the OL!  
213374 : 4/23/2016 4:29 pm : link
Elliott does not make the Jints better!
RE: Does elliot have top end speed?  
Joey in VA : 4/23/2016 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12917610 xman said:
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No more Daynes

4.47 at 225lbs and I've never seen him get caught.
RE: 'I believe elliott falls to the giants'...  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/23/2016 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12917482 Torrag said:
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...that isn't a fall. He isn't a Top 10 talent...and he can keep on going to #11 and beyond.

This
I  
AcidTest : 4/23/2016 4:32 pm : link
wouldn’t hate the pick, but I’d rather take Hargreaves, Floyd, or Conklin, or trade down. He’s clearly the consensus #1 RB, so somebody would trade up to get him.
RE: Does nothing to fix the right side of the OL!  
mrvax : 4/23/2016 4:38 pm : link
In comment 12917626 213374 said:
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Elliott does not make the Jints better!


He absolutely would make the Giants offense better.
RE: RE: Does elliot have top end speed?  
DonnieD89 : 4/23/2016 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12917628 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 12917610 xman said:


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No more Daynes


4.47 at 225lbs and I've never seen him get caught.


Yeah! I bet if Adrian Peterson was in this draft, we would still hear no more Daynes. I guess all RBs are the same.
Fassel got suckered into Dayne  
mrvax : 4/23/2016 5:04 pm : link
He begged for the guy. JF believed Dayne to be a power back. They never bothered to realize he did not run with power and his Oline did all his work.

I'm sure the Giants are well aware of not falling into this trap again.
Let him  
old man : 4/23/2016 5:14 pm : link
Keep fallin'
RE: Tough call  
Randy in CT : 4/23/2016 5:27 pm : link
In comment 12917459 mrvax said:
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between Elliott & Floyd. Both would be a tremendous help on either side of the ball.
I'd fart at both their general direction(s)
No way they take Elliott over Floyd  
ZogZerg : 4/23/2016 5:30 pm : link
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Ummm....can he play defense?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/23/2016 5:31 pm : link
I know Myles Jack can play Running Back.
Elliot  
PaulN : 4/23/2016 5:32 pm : link
Would make the Giants better right away and would make the OLine look a lot better then it is also. The NFL is cyclical, running backs used to be prime picks and they will be again.

David Wilson was not a very good running back at all and was a poor choice, he was a very good returner and nothing more.

he could not block and could not even crack the starting lineup, but just because he was a mistake does not mean Elliot is a mistake.

I would rather trade down then pick him because there are too many needs on this team, but never underestimate the value a great running back brings. Elliot may be a great running back, time will tell.

Ron Dayne was a horrible pick. Another poor example given.

No Gain Dayne...  
Goin Deep : 4/23/2016 6:00 pm : link
Kinda of reminds me of our current RB Williams.
RE: RE: Tough call  
mrvax : 4/23/2016 6:12 pm : link
In comment 12917745 Randy in CT said:
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I'd fart at both their general direction(s)


I have some shrubbery to sell you.
RE: ....  
HeavyLevy : 4/23/2016 6:48 pm : link
In comment 12917454 Gmen108021 said:
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if both are on the board i trade back, i think someone will want to come up for elliot or even lynch(assuming he is there too)

if just elliot there i listen to offers but honestly i prob stay put and take him barring a good offer.

ultimately i want the giants to come out of the first day with an impact defender.

jack falls he is an instant pick if i am GM



WreckingCrew. This will probably be my call on who they draft....Jennings RECENTLY Said he has no problem if they draft another HalfBack.

Elliots Comments about the "Three headed monster" Of Beckham Elliot and Eli. "The Giants will win a Super Bowl Real Early"

hmm Elliot is putting himself in the Class of two great players. If he is that good REESE will Draft him.

Last years draft I said "100% Sure Giants will not Draft Defense or DT" People called me an idiot and all this nonsense. I kept saying they are going OLine because when Reese Drafted Beckham he said the Next best thing was OLine yet fools didn't listen to my reasoning and they were wrong.

Elliot is being Compared to Top Tier Guys I'm sure he can be close to Gurley and if he is that is the pick. 100% Reese always goes with the best available.


If not then idk I got a feeling Eli Apple could be their pick as well if he somehow falls to 2nd or trade back.


People will lose it if we draft Elliot and of Course as the season goes on these so called football fans who actually don't know football will be looking dumb because Elliot will be a great pick.

The draft is in the Bag and this year is playoff time for the GMen.
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HeavyLevy : 4/23/2016 6:50 pm : link
Also I've seen Elliots blocking what running back in the league has great blocking?
Gee! If I'm not mistaken,  
DonnieD89 : 4/23/2016 6:51 pm : link
wasn't Marshawn Lynch an integral part in Seattle's championship and in Super Bowl 50 should have been given the ball in the last play against the Patriots? Why do some people paint with a broad brush and under value a ball player such as Elliot. If the Giants feel he will make an impact for the team, why not draft him? There are different ways to win games. If he is the best available player out there, you take him. If they think Floyd is a better impact, you take him. I don't care who the Giants take, as long as he makes a difference. Who gives a shit if he is a RB.
Elliott  
mrvax : 4/23/2016 6:54 pm : link
would be a great pick at #10. I doubt he'll be there though.
I'd take Eilliot  
David B. : 4/23/2016 6:58 pm : link
and break out the champagne. It would be a gift.

If the Giants value board is ANYTHING LIKE everyone else's grade board (and one one hope it is), Elliot is rated higher than Floyd.

If they're both there and they take Floyd, I'd be seriously concerned about their talent eval process.

Zeke isn't my first choice  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/23/2016 7:00 pm : link
but this notion that they can't get a RB until the OL is 100% finished is stupid...really frikkin' stupid.

That's not how it works. If they think the RB is special they will take him. There are five more picks, they still have cap room, and this roster isn't going to be fixed 100% this offseason no matter who they pick at 10.

RE: Zeke isn't my first choice  
DonnieD89 : 4/23/2016 7:06 pm : link
In comment 12917873 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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but this notion that they can't get a RB until the OL is 100% finished is stupid...really frikkin' stupid.

That's not how it works. If they think the RB is special they will take him. There are five more picks, they still have cap room, and this roster isn't going to be fixed 100% this offseason no matter who they pick at 10.


Amen!
Tough choice between Elliott and Floyd.  
fivehead : 4/23/2016 7:23 pm : link
Elliot would improve the backfield, but Elliott tackles better than Floyd.
RE: 'I believe elliott falls to the giants'...  
barens : 4/23/2016 7:45 pm : link
In comment 12917482 Torrag said:
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...that isn't a fall. He isn't a Top 10 talent...and he can keep on going to #11 and beyond.


That's contrary to many professional opinions.

Me personally, I say we take Elliott. Not only is he considered to be a good to great running back, he's a heck of a blocking back. Having him in the backfield chipping DEs and OLB's would be very helpful to our offensive line, and Eli.
RE: RE: Tough call  
JohnVB : 4/23/2016 8:02 pm : link
In comment 12917745 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 12917459 mrvax said:


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between Elliott & Floyd. Both would be a tremendous help on either side of the ball.

I'd fart at both their general direction(s)


Lol me too
Floyd  
Rjanyg : 4/23/2016 8:23 pm : link
I think we can get a decent RB later. Floyd is a freak
Giants Won't Have To Choose...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/23/2016 8:38 pm : link
One of them will be gone.

If Floyd is available, he'll be the pick. If Floyd is gone and Elliott is still on the board the Giants SHOULD pick him...but under those circumstances they'd probably take Hargreaves.
Elliot  
blue42 : 4/23/2016 9:36 pm : link
and Conklin are no brainers......either one will start day one and add another dimension to the team.
Elliott  
royhobbs7 : 4/23/2016 9:44 pm : link
I can't believe how many are saying the same thing about Elliott as they said about Gurley last year. Granted, Elliott is not Gurley, but he is healthier, a better blocker and pass receiver thsn Gurley was coming into the draft last year.
Had we drafted Gurley with #9 last year, we would have won the division.
BTW, Gurley ran behind a Ram's OLine that was worse than ours was last year!

Just think how explosive our offense would be with Zeke!!!
RE: Elliot falls to the Giants and right past them  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2016 9:48 pm : link
In comment 12917469 Vanzetti said:
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I don't think they are taking a RB at 10.

Isn't David Wilson the only RB Jerry has taken higher than the 4th round? And most people think that wa a Coughlin pick. And it didn't exactly work out.

So I really doubt it's Elliot.


Other than first rounders, team hasn't generally drafted too well. So why should the view be that they will continue same old approaches/theories. Maybe things will get shaken up a bit in 2016 and surprise the fan base.
People, Wilson was a good player and a solid pick. WRT Elliot ...  
DonQuixote : 4/23/2016 10:09 pm : link
Jennings is a great Giant, but is not the threat we had in Barber or Bradshaw. Elliot would be an upgrade. I long for the days when a third and one made the other team nervous.
If Elliot falls to 10  
GMen23 : 4/23/2016 11:18 pm : link
we catch him. Nobody impacts our team like him.
The Wilson pick was not a good pick  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/24/2016 3:35 pm : link
it set this team back at least a year

we needed help on the OL badly... terrible pick at #1

at # 2 or #3, good pick

at his size and running style. odds are he was not going to last very long
We use the 10th pick in the draft to get a possible,  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/24/2016 3:47 pm : link
slight incremental improvement to the RB position which is a position of need only in the minds of those in fantasyland.
Doubt if he beats out Vereen in passing package and possibly does not beat out Jennings in ambiguous package.

Oh, and nothing was wrong with Darkwa other than how the idiot old fart HC substituted him out whenever it looked like he was close to establishing something.

Luxury pick and we have too many glaring needs to consider it.

Guy appears to be a good RB, but does not appear to be OBJ special type.
RE: We use the 10th pick in the draft to get a possible,  
aimrocky : 4/24/2016 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12918650 Bob in Newburgh said:
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slight incremental improvement to the RB position which is a position of need only in the minds of those in fantasyland.
Doubt if he beats out Vereen in passing package and possibly does not beat out Jennings in ambiguous package.

Oh, and nothing was wrong with Darkwa other than how the idiot old fart HC substituted him out whenever it looked like he was close to establishing something.

Luxury pick and we have too many glaring needs to consider it.

Guy appears to be a good RB, but does not appear to be OBJ special type.


You've obviously never seen Elliott play to sell him short like this. He's a special player.
I think that Elliot would add a GREAT deal to our team.  
yatqb : 4/24/2016 5:38 pm : link
The guy is a special RB. That said, I suspect, as do many, that we've focused in on Floyd, and feel that in Spag's defense he'd be a huge difference maker. So my guess is that the Giants like him over Elliot. The question I have is whether they like Conklin, Stanley or Hargreaves more than Elliot. If so I'm inclined to disagree with them.
RE: Elliot falls to the Giants and right past them  
Jersey55 : 10:42 am : link
In comment 12917469 Vanzetti said:
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I don't think they are taking a RB at 10.

Isn't David Wilson the only RB Jerry has taken higher than the 4th round? And most people think that wa a Coughlin pick. And it didn't exactly work out.

So I really doubt it's Elliot.

you might be right but the fact that we don't take RBs in round one is reflected in our running game....
The recent draft history for taking a back in the top 10  
Patrick77 : 10:51 am : link
is interesting. Peterson was worth it, Bush and Mcfadden carved out successful careers but below their supposed potential. The rest of the list isn't exactly exciting. Elliot will be a good pro, the question to me is will he be a great one. It seems you can get good to great RB production later than the 10th pick in almost any year. I don't doubt Elliot is worth a 10-20 pick in the draft, I just doubt that you need to spend it on his position to get the close to the same production.
RE: Floyd  
royhobbs7 : 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12917485 Peppers said:
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Still at 31 Jennings has low miles and more to offer. He should be used more as a featured back as he's the type of back that likes to set his runs up. He's also a bigger back that can wear on defenses. That 4 back committee was stupid. When we went away from that the last 4 weeks of last season and featured Jennings more he had 79 carries 432 yards for a 5.5 average. That was just about as many carries as he had in the previous 9 games combined.

I wouldn't mind drafting a RB in rounds 3-6 but the need isn't there to spend a top 10 pick on a guy like Elliot. Also, take a look at next years RB class. Its going to be one of the best we've ever seen.

If I had to take a guy in this years draft. I like Paul Perkins in the 3rd round. Almost always makes the first guy miss. Very elusive, great vision. Can catch and sticks in there as a blocker. Much better value at that pick IMO.


Need at RB?

Are you forgetting that Jennings spit-the-bit in the most important game of the season last year? He gained a grand total of 14 yards vs. the Skins in the game for the division lead - game #12 (which of course, we lost).

Please - No more Jennings as the lead back. We need someone who puts some fear into opposing DCs.
RE: Does nothing to fix the right side of the OL!  
royhobbs7 : 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12917626 213374 said:
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Elliott does not make the Jints better!


The same rationale was made about Gurley last year. And Elliot may not have the twitch, but he is healthy and a more complete 3-down back.

BTW, we win the division had we switched picks with the Rams in Rds. 1 & 2 last year (and they drafted after us).
Just remember, Gurley ran behind an OL that was worse than ours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He got 6 carries in that game.  
if he "spit the bit" against washington, then explain his 16 for 107 day against the Panthers defense.
RE: RE: ....  
royhobbs7 : 2:56 pm : link
In comment 12917857 HeavyLevy said:
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In comment 12917454 Gmen108021 said:


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if both are on the board i trade back, i think someone will want to come up for elliot or even lynch(assuming he is there too)

if just elliot there i listen to offers but honestly i prob stay put and take him barring a good offer.

ultimately i want the giants to come out of the first day with an impact defender.

jack falls he is an instant pick if i am GM




WreckingCrew. This will probably be my call on who they draft....Jennings RECENTLY Said he has no problem if they draft another HalfBack.

Elliots Comments about the "Three headed monster" Of Beckham Elliot and Eli. "The Giants will win a Super Bowl Real Early"

hmm Elliot is putting himself in the Class of two great players. If he is that good REESE will Draft him.

Last years draft I said "100% Sure Giants will not Draft Defense or DT" People called me an idiot and all this nonsense. I kept saying they are going OLine because when Reese Drafted Beckham he said the Next best thing was OLine yet fools didn't listen to my reasoning and they were wrong.

Elliot is being Compared to Top Tier Guys I'm sure he can be close to Gurley and if he is that is the pick. 100% Reese always goes with the best available.


If not then idk I got a feeling Eli Apple could be their pick as well if he somehow falls to 2nd or trade back.


People will lose it if we draft Elliot and of Course as the season goes on these so called football fans who actually don't know football will be looking dumb because Elliot will be a great pick.

The draft is in the Bag and this year is playoff time for the GMen.


I agree wholeheartedly with your post, HL. Nobody wanted Gurley last year either. Gurley had more runs of 20+ yds than the Giants have had in the past three years (behind a very pedestrian OLine)!!!!!

Good running game means clock control in the final minutes. We sure could have used that last year! It also means that Beckham will be open that much more with less safety help up top. And maybe, maybe, Eli might fool a defense with play action with a RB like Elliot!?!?!?!
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