Carl Banks on Floyd

but that's for another discussion

He was 22 years-old.

so I'm not sure why we would assume he can now all of a sudden at 24.

In comment 12918203 chris r said:

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so I'm not sure why we would assume he can now all of a sudden at 24.

Because Obi-wan Spagnobi will teach him the ways of The Force on the trip to Alderaan.

TMZ

...but this Draft seems like it's boiling down to Floyd or Conklin.

This guys was asked to do many things at Georgia besides rush the passer. But when he did rush the passer he got home and got pressure. The added weight will help him set the edge and take in blockers. I have s feeling Tampa will take him at 9 and I'll be pissed. I would prefer a trade back if that happens. Hopefully Tennessee will still be interested in an OL.

In comment 12918208 Klaatu said:

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In comment 12918203 chris r said: Quote: so I'm not sure why we would assume he can now all of a sudden at 24. Because Obi-wan Spagnobi will teach him the ways of The Force on the trip to Alderaan.

Players get bigger and stronger with the correct diet nutrition and training in the NFL all the time..

sees something of himself in Floyd's lanky build? Only time will tell, of course. But a word of caution about Banks. Although he certainly is one of the Giants all-time great linebackers, he hasn't been the same as an analyst or evaluator.

In Giantland, he fills the role that Reggie Jackson has authored so admirably over the years for the Yankees: being wrong on every prospect that he's ever commented on. The Straw bats about 000 in that area. Now Carl.

As I recall, Banks announced to the world that a guy named Miller, whose first name I can't recall, was going to be the next, great Giant linebacker. Needless to say, he didn't. My hope is CB hasn't been informing Mara's thoughts.

In comment 12918226 RetroJint said:

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sees something of himself in Floyd's lanky build? Only time will tell, of course. But a word of caution about Banks. Although he certainly is one of the Giants all-time great linebackers, he hasn't been the same as an analyst or evaluator. In Giantland, he fills the role that Reggie Jackson has authored so admirably over the years for the Yankees: being wrong on every prospect that he's ever commented on. The Straw bats about 000 in that area. Now Carl. As I recall, Banks announced to the world that a guy named Miller, whose first name I can't recall, was going to be the next, great Giant linebacker. Needless to say, he didn't. My hope is CB hasn't been informing Mara's thoughts.

Corey Miller?

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While there have been some questions about his productivity, per Pro Football Focus, Floyd’s pass-rush productivity score of 17.7 percent is the second best of 3-4 outside linebackers who are draft eligible...

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According to Pro Football Focus, the majority of Floyd’s pass-rushing production came against the “lowest graded right tackles of the SEC,” battles that Floyd won based on his athleticism....

He can rush and cover. Extreme quickness of the edge and flies to the ball. He has gotten bigger and maintained his speed and agility. Sure he needs some tackling technique help. That's what defensive coaches are for. Some People act like the guy they want has no weaknesses. They all do.

of player that brings contact and physicality. I would worry that they guy would be dinged up constantly at LB and negate his true asset which is athletic/speed.

You'd have to be very sure that knee is going to hold up.

He is perfectly suited for the zone blitz.

conversation. You here buzzwords like, athletic, freak etc. But none of it pertaining to what he actually did in college. I'll take production over measurables. Besides every scout i've heard has said he's a square peg in a round hole with the Giants. I'm not opposed to taking him but he's as risky as Myles Jacks knee. Jerry's jobs on the line with this one.

I ll check BBI

What does Carl Banks know.

In comment 12918232 Klaatu said:

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Quote: While there have been some questions about his productivity, per Pro Football Focus, Floyd’s pass-rush productivity score of 17.7 percent is the second best of 3-4 outside linebackers who are draft eligible... However... Quote: According to Pro Football Focus, the majority of Floyd’s pass-rushing production came against the “lowest graded right tackles of the SEC,” battles that Floyd won based on his athleticism....

In a 4-3 he will be coming off the edge most likely from the SAM or WILL which means he wont be facing the LT or RT..

unless you prefer your LT to block Floyd and have Vernon kill your QB..

or have your RT block Floyd and have JPP kill your QB...

You can also run twist with the DT inside and have Floyd bring pressure up the A Gap which he is actually pretty good at from what I have seen...

Fans just dont get it.. its just about that ONE player.. its how that player fits into the scheme the Giants are building..

We haven't covered a TE or anyone over the middle of the field in about 5 years. It would be nice to actually have a LB and/or a FS this season that could take that away. Hopefully we address this weakness in the draft.

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conversation. You here buzzwords like, athletic, freak etc. But none of it pertaining to what he actually did in college. I'll take production over measurables. Besides every scout i've heard has said he's a square peg in a round hole with the Giants. I'm not opposed to taking him but he's as risky as Myles Jacks knee. Jerry's jobs on the line with this one.

Need to realize.. it is not a college coachs job to prepare Floyd for the NFL.. so if the coaching moves the player around on defense to suit his needs that shouldnt be a negative on Floyd..

Which is why scouts and coaches talk to coaches to gauge a player as well.. not just look at film.. on in the case of most fans.. Youtube videos..

“Scouts are being too cute when it comes to that, ’cause they don’t know what a prototypical linebacker is now. They can’t pick one out of a lineup now. If they put four bums and Patrick Willis, they would probably debate whether or not Patrick Willis was the best guy in the group"

So true when you think about it. What is the prototypical LB now? I think there are only handful for the 4-3 over the past few years.

His article seems to be selling Floyd vs M.Jack, which seems odd.

Anyone would view Jack as a better option.....maybe it is little PR before the draft.

I just hope their right with their choices

"...If he were a tight end at 6-6, 240, would anybody complain? But then, you want somebody who can cover that guy, right? So why not?..."

With the abundance of bigger, faster, & more athletic TE's more common; if the team can get a player with similar size/strength/speed to match up against them in coverage (IMO) would be great.
Sprinkle in the potential of a dynamic pass rusher...sounds like an impact player to me.

All said, I would be happy with him at 10.

Lots of questions with him

I have been waiting to hear Carl Banks opinion on Floyd and come away encouraged with the prospect of his becoming a Giant. I must admit that some of the comments on this thread do rile up the fires of indignation due to the insolence perpetrated. Just because some of you may desire a different position addressed or support a specific player, does not give cause to undermined the evaluation of a Giant great at the position he played.

If Floyd is allowed to become a Giant, it would soon become evident that an apology maybe in order due to short sightedness brought on by bias and prejudice. Many know my opinion on Floyd, I believe he would the difference between having a good Defense and a great championship Defense. I believe that giving coach McGovern Leonard Floyd will produce a Keuchly/Herzlich (preinjury at BC) hybrid only better than the original parts. That to me is the key, the coaching he would receive with the Giants would transform and elevate Floyd's production immeasurably.

So many are stuck on what occured in college, rather than how the skillset and measurables translate to the NFL. I want with the #10 selection of the first round a disruptor. A talent that can't be obtained anywhere else in the draft. Whether you like Floyd or not you can't argue with that fact. There is only one player with the skillset Floyd embodies and the physique personified. It is always wise to gamble on the unique because the projected outcome may equal greatness.

Leonard Floyd if drafted, will continue the Giants legacy of outstanding Linebackers to be unleashed upon the NFL. Linebacking is a definitive to great Giants Defense, it is high time we get back to our roots.

Pro Football Focus, during the 2014 & 2015 seasons, Floyd was on the field for Georgia's defense on 631 passing plays.

On those plays, Floyd rushed the passer 377 times and dropped into coverage 254 times.

He was too short according to many here both before and after he was drafted.

The exact type of player who Giant fans have been begging for, for years?

A linebacker that can blitz and cover tight ends and running backs? That is EXACTLY what we've been clamoring for for many many years.

If he's the selection, I won't complain.

In comment 12918320 Craigg619 said:

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The exact type of player who Giant fans have been begging for, for years? A linebacker that can blitz and cover tight ends and running backs? That is EXACTLY what we've been clamoring for for many many years. If he's the selection, I won't complain.

He has some warts. No other player that will be picked in the top 10 will have any..

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means make him a great talent evaluator. How many great players have been great coaches or GM's? Not a whole lot. CB is a marginal game analyst at best.

Floyd is growing on me, but he didn't really stand out on Saturdays and at 10 we need a guy that stands out. How a prospect actually played football does count. I see Kiwi redux (which isn't horrible, but not good enough). I hope Jack is the pick. His knee questions = Floyd's ability to contribute immediately (which is required of the 10th pick) IMO.

I don't understand how everyone who likes Floyd can just flat out ignore that he gets devoured and can't shed blocks from college OL. Even if his coverage skills and pass rushing skills translate, and he needs to perform in all areas at an equal rate, there's s third of his game he will be obsolete.

That's why you draft a TE with his measurements but not a LB, because TE's don't have to shed blocks from NFL OL. I just don't get how everyone can accept that he is useless in a third of his responsibilities and still call him worthy of the 10th overall pick.

And please, if I'm wrong, correct me. I want to be wrong, I really do, 'cause barring someone reaching and taking him before us it looks like he's the pick, but this kid has bust written all over him. In a 4-3, LBers have to be able to stop the run. From what I've seen, he most certainly cannot.

can't move fast enough for me.

which is 1-2 games or roughly 10 minutes of highlights. I very much respect Carl Banks' analysis but I'm not sure that's enough of a sample size for it to truly capture much.

They better be sure if they call his name . Give me production over projection every day of the week.

In comment 12918533 Eric on Li said:

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which is 1-2 games or roughly 10 minutes of highlights. I very much respect Carl Banks' analysis but I'm not sure that's enough of a sample size for it to truly capture much.

Good point Eric. Banks knows the position and what it takes to play it , when he played. But that was a long time ago. We need a day one starter with our first pick again this year. The jury is still out on Flowers who did not shine his lst year but may in the future. MO

He may not last until our pick. I guess Tampa loves him

Carl Banks was the last LB the Giants took in the first.

In comment 12918391 RDJR said:

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means make him a great talent evaluator. How many great players have been great coaches or GM's? Not a whole lot. CB is a marginal game analyst at best. Floyd is growing on me, but he didn't really stand out on Saturdays and at 10 we need a guy that stands out. How a prospect actually played football does count. I see Kiwi redux (which isn't horrible, but not good enough). I hope Jack is the pick. His knee questions = Floyd's ability to contribute immediately (which is required of the 10th pick) IMO.

I wouldn't completely discount Carl's opinion (not implying that you are), but those are fair points. Players not making the transition to coaching and in the FO has more to do with a variety of other things. Assembling a staff, schedule, balancing the cap, etc.

Of quite a few LBs that have passed through here and flopped tremendously. Whatever he thinks of Floyd is hardly a slam dunk.

In comment 12918722 Rjanyg said:

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He may not last until our pick. I guess Tampa loves him

Honestly, his talents intrigue me, but his weaknesses terrify me. I hope to god this happens and that we can grab Conklin.

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I don't understand how everyone who likes Floyd can just flat out ignore that he gets devoured and can't shed blocks from college OL. Even if his coverage skills and pass rushing skills translate, and he needs to perform in all areas at an equal rate, there's s third of his game he will be obsolete. That's why you draft a TE with his measurements but not a LB, because TE's don't have to shed blocks from NFL OL. I just don't get how everyone can accept that he is useless in a third of his responsibilities and still call him worthy of the 10th overall pick. And please, if I'm wrong, correct me. I want to be wrong, I really do, 'cause barring someone reaching and taking him before us it looks like he's the pick, but this kid has bust written all over him. In a 4-3, LBers have to be able to stop the run. From what I've seen, he most certainly cannot.

Great points colin! What's even more amazing is that these fans of his innate ability choose to brush or ignore the deficiencies in his game as no big deal. Despite him maybe being "the new generation of LB", that player still has to play to play with physicality. Instead, guys like Makogman, KWALL, grizz and Giants10218675309 or whatever, scoff at these questions as being trivial. Sorry for the call out guys but you have been given every opportunity to refute that:

-he couldn't get off blocks consistguyly in college
- he was run into, he didn'tackle the guy/piss poor tackling instincts
- zero ball skills when the ball is actually being thrown to his man
-gets devoured by run blocks


All these things are being dismissed for pass rush ability that rarely resulted in success in COLLEGE!

Oh but he's fast, and he can jump really HIGH! UGH. I'm intrigued by the player's rare ability, but the case being made to draft and the rare ability nonsense is borderline retarded.

In comment 12919139 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Of quite a few LBs that have passed through here and flopped tremendously. Whatever he thinks of Floyd is hardly a slam dunk.

This thread from 2011 is worth revisiting:

Carl Banks on LBs in camp.

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In comment 12919139 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Of quite a few LBs that have passed through here and flopped tremendously. Whatever he thinks of Floyd is hardly a slam dunk. This thread from 2011 is worth revisiting: Carl Banks on LBs in camp.

Sounds about right. I remembered his love for Greg Jones.

We all love carl banks, but he's not a scout. Just because you played doesn't mean you can pick, coach, or teach it.

We need to make sure its a player not a workout warrior.

I also think Myles should of gotten more tackles and he gets there late all the time he is a pile on guy,I don't like him game and to me is over rated sure he covers backs but he also holds all the time,I will go on trecord on calling him a possible bust.I rather have slower Ragland who is in more plays and reacts better.