a smallish slot corner that can't play outside with the 10th pick ? No thanks. Can get a very similar player in later rounds to cover the third best WR.
I would rather either take Conklin if Floyd is gone Â
a smallish slot corner that can't play outside with the 10th pick ? No thanks. Can get a very similar player in later rounds to cover the third best WR.
Who said he cannot play outside? He may not start there with DRC and Jenkins outside this year, but they need a 3rd starting grade CB.
a smallish slot corner that can't play outside with the 10th pick ? No thanks. Can get a very similar player in later rounds to cover the third best WR.
Who said he cannot play outside? He may not start there with DRC and Jenkins outside this year, but they need a 3rd starting grade CB.
Giants need a RT and WR more than they need a third corner. A third corner is a luxury the Giants can't afford with the tenth pick overall.
game Hargraves played and don't think he worth pick 10. Was actually better as a sophomore than he was as a junior. Was prone to giving up long plays and is not tall enough to cover bigger NFL receivers. Good but not great player IMO and was overhyped. He actually wasn't even the best CB on the Gators last year. That honor goes to Jalen Taybor.
Good corners are one of the most difficult positions to fill and when a corner pans out to be a shutdown guy, he wants 15 million a year to stay with the team - and he'll get it because the position is so hard to fill with premium players. Cornerback is a premium position that is difficult to fill so he'd be worth burning our 10th pick in the draft. And he'd fill a need as he could cover the slot receiver so that his height does not come into play, but he is still good enough to fill in for DRC or Jenkins for the deep sides to give them a chance to catch their breath or if one of them gets injured during the year which is pretty much a sure thing with all corners.
As for me, I see more upside to Eli Apple and in a year or two, everyone will be wondering how we let a guy like that slip by us in the draft. I'd take Apple at 10 in a nano-second and walk away from the podium with a smirk on my face knowing what we just got ourselves.
Apple is taller, longer, faster, and can play the deep corner far better than Hargreaves and will be the most talked about shutdown corner before it's over. The knock on him: not perfectly polished yet. But mark my word - he will be!
Does McAdoo want to play a zone schemes that a lot of the better defenses play as of recent years? If that's the case, you can draft Hargreaves because his ability to break on the ball is second to none, and he's going to be able to play on the outside.
a smallish slot corner that can't play outside with the 10th pick ? No thanks. Can get a very similar player in later rounds to cover the third best WR.
Where are you getting that he "can't play outside"? People are just pulling that out of thin air.
Is he undersized?Sure, but as I said in the other thread, he is about the same size as Jenkins. If VH can't play outside neither can Jenkins.
You guys hear a negative about a player and run with it without really knowing what the hell you are talking about. VH's size is being blown as far put of proportion as Treadwell's 40.
And drafting him at 10 is a good thing to do. You need pass rushers and you need corners on a good defense. The trick in this draft is to find out which one is the best.
A large majority of all the draft analysts have anointed Hargreaves as the best corner in the draft.
I don't know if that's true, and I don't think everyone has to accept it, or should accept it as true. There are things that are not teachable, like having an extra 2 inches of reach advantage or more speed. I hope that Reese is scouring as much film as he can, he has to nail this pick at 10.
I think Floyd and Hargreaves are risky picks. I think Conklin is a safe pick. You pick Conklin, you know you are getting a good tackle that can start for you on the right side immediately.
Other than that, I think all these other guys that are not currently talked about in the conversation for 10 overall, you question if they should be. Is Eli Apple or William Jackson III better than Hargreaves? They may be. They both may be the better pros. I think Hargreaves can play in the NFL. I think he has a decent floor. But you want the All Pro talent in the draft, not the decent starter guy.
I think if you're considering taking a corner, then those other guys need to be in the conversation at 10 overall. And you can put a handful of pass rushers in that conversation as well.
Just because a bunch of prognosticators and analysts say that Shaq Lawson, for example, doesn't represent good value at 10, doesn't mean a lick. Shaq Lawson very well could end up being the best player in the entire draft when all is said and done. Nobody thought there was value in taking Odell Beckham in the top 5 a couple of years ago, now all those teams that passed on him wish they had done it a little differently (except maybe Jacksonville).
He brings toughness and attitude. Things lacking in supply on the defense. I normally wouldn't advocate taking a corner this high but he's a much better option then the bust.
And drafting him at 10 is a good thing to do. You need pass rushers and you need corners on a good defense. The trick in this draft is to find out which one is the best.
A large majority of all the draft analysts have anointed Hargreaves as the best corner in the draft.
I don't know if that's true, and I don't think everyone has to accept it, or should accept it as true. There are things that are not teachable, like having an extra 2 inches of reach advantage or more speed. I hope that Reese is scouring as much film as he can, he has to nail this pick at 10.
I think Floyd and Hargreaves are risky picks. I think Conklin is a safe pick. You pick Conklin, you know you are getting a good tackle that can start for you on the right side immediately.
Other than that, I think all these other guys that are not currently talked about in the conversation for 10 overall, you question if they should be. Is Eli Apple or William Jackson III better than Hargreaves? They may be. They both may be the better pros. I think Hargreaves can play in the NFL. I think he has a decent floor. But you want the All Pro talent in the draft, not the decent starter guy.
I think if you're considering taking a corner, then those other guys need to be in the conversation at 10 overall. And you can put a handful of pass rushers in that conversation as well.
Just because a bunch of prognosticators and analysts say that Shaq Lawson, for example, doesn't represent good value at 10, doesn't mean a lick. Shaq Lawson very well could end up being the best player in the entire draft when all is said and done. Nobody thought there was value in taking Odell Beckham in the top 5 a couple of years ago, now all those teams that passed on him wish they had done it a little differently (except maybe Jacksonville).
Excellent analysis. I’m OK with Hargreaves or Floyd, but would rather look elsewhere. Both are too risky IMO at #10.
A lot of 3 WR sets are used .... So a nickle CB is a starter. Especially late in the game when teams are trying to come from behind ..... An issue we have had for some time now.
notice that he isn't very fast. He is quick and can jump, but not sure if I like his speed for a top ten pick at that size. He also played off the receiver most of the time (please correct if I'm wrong) from the games I've seen. For a slot corner, you don't want to be playing too far off the WR. Everything else from him is top ten (character, attitude, motor).
Who said he cannot play outside? He may not start there with DRC and Jenkins outside this year, but they need a 3rd starting grade CB.
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a smallish slot corner that can't play outside with the 10th pick ? No thanks. Can get a very similar player in later rounds to cover the third best WR.
Who said he cannot play outside? He may not start there with DRC and Jenkins outside this year, but they need a 3rd starting grade CB.
Very simple ....
Thanks, Robbie. Especially in the 1st.
As for me, I see more upside to Eli Apple and in a year or two, everyone will be wondering how we let a guy like that slip by us in the draft. I'd take Apple at 10 in a nano-second and walk away from the podium with a smirk on my face knowing what we just got ourselves.
Apple is taller, longer, faster, and can play the deep corner far better than Hargreaves and will be the most talked about shutdown corner before it's over. The knock on him: not perfectly polished yet. But mark my word - he will be!
Scheme scheme scheme.
Does McAdoo want to play a zone schemes that a lot of the better defenses play as of recent years? If that's the case, you can draft Hargreaves because his ability to break on the ball is second to none, and he's going to be able to play on the outside.
Where are you getting that he "can't play outside"? People are just pulling that out of thin air.
Is he undersized?Sure, but as I said in the other thread, he is about the same size as Jenkins. If VH can't play outside neither can Jenkins.
You guys hear a negative about a player and run with it without really knowing what the hell you are talking about. VH's size is being blown as far put of proportion as Treadwell's 40.
A large majority of all the draft analysts have anointed Hargreaves as the best corner in the draft.
I don't know if that's true, and I don't think everyone has to accept it, or should accept it as true. There are things that are not teachable, like having an extra 2 inches of reach advantage or more speed. I hope that Reese is scouring as much film as he can, he has to nail this pick at 10.
I think Floyd and Hargreaves are risky picks. I think Conklin is a safe pick. You pick Conklin, you know you are getting a good tackle that can start for you on the right side immediately.
Other than that, I think all these other guys that are not currently talked about in the conversation for 10 overall, you question if they should be. Is Eli Apple or William Jackson III better than Hargreaves? They may be. They both may be the better pros. I think Hargreaves can play in the NFL. I think he has a decent floor. But you want the All Pro talent in the draft, not the decent starter guy.
I think if you're considering taking a corner, then those other guys need to be in the conversation at 10 overall. And you can put a handful of pass rushers in that conversation as well.
Just because a bunch of prognosticators and analysts say that Shaq Lawson, for example, doesn't represent good value at 10, doesn't mean a lick. Shaq Lawson very well could end up being the best player in the entire draft when all is said and done. Nobody thought there was value in taking Odell Beckham in the top 5 a couple of years ago, now all those teams that passed on him wish they had done it a little differently (except maybe Jacksonville).
That said, Apple has the measurables the Giants covet.
He brings toughness and attitude. Things lacking in supply on the defense. I normally wouldn't advocate taking a corner this high but he's a much better option then the bust.
Boil it down but if we stay at that spot, this is the type of value that we are going to get.
A large majority of all the draft analysts have anointed Hargreaves as the best corner in the draft.
I don't know if that's true, and I don't think everyone has to accept it, or should accept it as true. There are things that are not teachable, like having an extra 2 inches of reach advantage or more speed. I hope that Reese is scouring as much film as he can, he has to nail this pick at 10.
I think Floyd and Hargreaves are risky picks. I think Conklin is a safe pick. You pick Conklin, you know you are getting a good tackle that can start for you on the right side immediately.
Other than that, I think all these other guys that are not currently talked about in the conversation for 10 overall, you question if they should be. Is Eli Apple or William Jackson III better than Hargreaves? They may be. They both may be the better pros. I think Hargreaves can play in the NFL. I think he has a decent floor. But you want the All Pro talent in the draft, not the decent starter guy.
I think if you're considering taking a corner, then those other guys need to be in the conversation at 10 overall. And you can put a handful of pass rushers in that conversation as well.
Just because a bunch of prognosticators and analysts say that Shaq Lawson, for example, doesn't represent good value at 10, doesn't mean a lick. Shaq Lawson very well could end up being the best player in the entire draft when all is said and done. Nobody thought there was value in taking Odell Beckham in the top 5 a couple of years ago, now all those teams that passed on him wish they had done it a little differently (except maybe Jacksonville).
Excellent analysis. I’m OK with Hargreaves or Floyd, but would rather look elsewhere. Both are too risky IMO at #10.
Yes.