Vereen has a niche role as a receiver out of the backfield. Darkwa's unknown, and Andre Williams really struggled. If there's a guy we like, none of the guys we currently have should prevent us from taking him.
We have a bunch of one trick ponies except for RJ. I wouldn't want any of them starting if they had to do it alone as the bell cow. None of them are worth having on the field for more than 10 plays a game. Jennings is the only one. Williams and Darkwa haven't proven they can catch the ball and pick up the blitz. Vereen and Rainey aren't what you want rushing too often especially not in short yardage.
Unless he has super speed like Keith Marshall or Kenyan Drake is a waste. They need a RB but they need someone who is going to be a playmaker not another JAG which they have enough of.
6', 220, 4.35 40, 41" vertical, 6.82 3-cone and plenty of production. Also, Keith Farrow from Houston. Good size, quick, very tough. Russell Hansbrough, small but highly successful Mizzou RB.
All or some should be available as UDFA. All talented, all healthy all successful RB in their program.
And then there's Jonathan Williams. Very much pro ready Razorback producer. He'll likely cost a 4th.
I get that they might want to improve at RB, but they already have 4. What is the likelihood a low round pick offers any benefit?
I don't agree with this.
As far as positions go, it seems like RB is where you have the highest probability of finding a player who can play and contribute in the NFL. Chances of finding a player better than Andre Williams are strong to quite strong...and I'm in favor of anything that pushes him off the roster.
I get that they might want to improve at RB, but they already have 4. What is the likelihood a low round pick offers any benefit?
I don't agree with this.
As far as positions go, it seems like RB is where you have the highest probability of finding a player who can play and contribute in the NFL. Chances of finding a player better than Andre Williams are strong to quite strong...and I'm in favor of anything that pushes him off the roster.
iow the same team that evaluated Williams and determined that he was a 4th round guy should replace him with someone that they evaluated and determined he's a 6th round guy?
Just a guess, but maybe the Giants think he isn't going to get drafted
Perhaps they're showing interest in Wilds so that he'll choose our camp to come to as a free agent and can compete with the others during training camp.
6th round picks are usually special teams guys. And why are so many complaining about a 6th round pick who cares what position he plays in all honest 80%+ of these guys amount to nothing in that round
Considering they rank him the 35th-best RB and 495th player overall...
...the nfldraftscout report on Wilds is surprisingly positive, e.g.:
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COMPARES TO: Matt Forte, Chicago Bears -- Wilds has a very similar build to Forte with above average height and a toned athletic build. Though Forte might have a little more athletic ability, Wilds has a little more strength to his game while both excel in the passing game. Wilds likely will not be taken as high or be deemed the starter his rookie season, but he does have a likeness to Forte with his pass catching ability, vision and patience. He likely will not ever reach Forte's level, but could come close if drafted by a team who runs an inside zone running scheme and utilizes his receiving skills out of the backfield.
I get that they might want to improve at RB, but they already have 4. What is the likelihood a low round pick offers any benefit?
I don't agree with this.
As far as positions go, it seems like RB is where you have the highest probability of finding a player who can play and contribute in the NFL. Chances of finding a player better than Andre Williams are strong to quite strong...and I'm in favor of anything that pushes him off the roster.
iow the same team that evaluated Williams and determined that he was a 4th round guy should replace him with someone that they evaluated and determined he's a 6th round guy?
You say that as if they just drafted Andre Williams yesterday and their evaluation of him is unchanged. They have tons more information now. He's no longer their 4th round draft pick, he's a RB on their roster who hasn't been impressive and whose skill set doesn't seem well-suited to the offense they're running.
Is the 35th ranked RB prospect, 495th overall, ranked by CBSSports, projected as UDFA.
He is the 22nd ranked RB prospect by Drafttek, 324th overall (also a UDFA ranking).
He is the 24th ranked RB prospect by Ourlads (no overall ranking).
So of course Reese will burn a 6th on a guy that would probably be available as a UDFA. And I know what you're going to say... if he's a UDFA there's no guarantee that we get him, and no guarantee that he doesn't get drafted after we pick in the 6th round. But I highly doubt we are going to really regret it if he gets away.
College football. Maybe it's just me, but I'd hope he's off our draft board, and more of a rookie FA type of signing.
Regarding the log jam we have at the position, drafting Elliott or Henry within the first to rounds is an upgrade to the depth we currently have, I'd be all for it.
Best case scenario is that Dwarka, Williams and Vereen all look GREAT in camp and a rookie does too. Odd man out is old man Jennings.
Jennings is "cut" on the final round of cuts and told to stay in shape just in case.
You have to hope the young guys develop. 31 year old running backs who have done really well in the NFL are far and few between. Most fall off at age 31, and by age 32 you are certainly done.
he can take a hard hit and return to the game. He's looked good in limited action, but he couldn't make it through the shots he took.
Jennings has had limited carries and should be able to make it through the season.
This year I really like Jonathan Williams of Arkansas, CJ Prosise, and Kenyan Drake. Any of these guys late in Rd. 3 will present value in a deep draft.
Eastern Michigan, later in the draft. Looks to have real deal size, speed, wiggle, and vision.. albeit at a lower level of competition.
You informed me of Darius Jackson, and he looks really good. Big, fast, strong and shifty. A nice set of tools. This video is him against LSU, and he still looks good against higher competition.
he can take a hard hit and return to the game. He's looked good in limited action, but he couldn't make it through the shots he took.
Jennings has had limited carries and should be able to make it through the season.
This year I really like Jonathan Williams of Arkansas, CJ Prosise, and Kenyan Drake. Any of these guys late in Rd. 3 will present value in a deep draft.
Relative to the guys we have on the roster, Round 3 is not the same as round 6. I can see round 3.
I get that they might want to improve at RB, but they already have 4. What is the likelihood a low round pick offers any benefit?
You build toward the future. Chances are they might move on from Jennings after this year if his production doesn't match his cap figure. Next year is Williams' fourth and final year of his rookie deal; if he doesn't pan out, then you have guys in your pipeline that you've developed.
Yes, he turned 31 last month, and he has been hurt a lot. On the other hand, he has a total of about 900 NFL touches, and none of his many injuries have been of the career-altering variety.
For perspective: Adrian Peterson, who was born the same week, had more touches by 2009 than Jennings has in his entire career. Peterson also had to come back from a torn ACL. Although they are the same age, I think Jennings is younger in football terms. The calendar will catch up to him eventually, but at this point the problem isn't age, it's his longstanding lack of durability.
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Agreed.
All or some should be available as UDFA. All talented, all healthy all successful RB in their program.
And then there's Jonathan Williams. Very much pro ready Razorback producer. He'll likely cost a 4th.
I don't agree with this.
As far as positions go, it seems like RB is where you have the highest probability of finding a player who can play and contribute in the NFL. Chances of finding a player better than Andre Williams are strong to quite strong...and I'm in favor of anything that pushes him off the roster.
I hope we can sign OBJ's cousin.
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I get that they might want to improve at RB, but they already have 4. What is the likelihood a low round pick offers any benefit?
I don't agree with this.
As far as positions go, it seems like RB is where you have the highest probability of finding a player who can play and contribute in the NFL. Chances of finding a player better than Andre Williams are strong to quite strong...and I'm in favor of anything that pushes him off the roster.
Obviously, the injuries kill his draft stock.
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I get that they might want to improve at RB, but they already have 4. What is the likelihood a low round pick offers any benefit?
I don't agree with this.
As far as positions go, it seems like RB is where you have the highest probability of finding a player who can play and contribute in the NFL. Chances of finding a player better than Andre Williams are strong to quite strong...and I'm in favor of anything that pushes him off the roster.
iow the same team that evaluated Williams and determined that he was a 4th round guy should replace him with someone that they evaluated and determined he's a 6th round guy?
You say that as if they just drafted Andre Williams yesterday and their evaluation of him is unchanged. They have tons more information now. He's no longer their 4th round draft pick, he's a RB on their roster who hasn't been impressive and whose skill set doesn't seem well-suited to the offense they're running.
He is the 22nd ranked RB prospect by Drafttek, 324th overall (also a UDFA ranking).
He is the 24th ranked RB prospect by Ourlads (no overall ranking).
So of course Reese will burn a 6th on a guy that would probably be available as a UDFA. And I know what you're going to say... if he's a UDFA there's no guarantee that we get him, and no guarantee that he doesn't get drafted after we pick in the 6th round. But I highly doubt we are going to really regret it if he gets away.
Regarding the log jam we have at the position, drafting Elliott or Henry within the first to rounds is an upgrade to the depth we currently have, I'd be all for it.
IF the Giants Selected him is the Fastest RB
on the team . Can''t teach 4.31
Jennings is "cut" on the final round of cuts and told to stay in shape just in case.
You have to hope the young guys develop. 31 year old running backs who have done really well in the NFL are far and few between. Most fall off at age 31, and by age 32 you are certainly done.
Jennings has had limited carries and should be able to make it through the season.
This year I really like Jonathan Williams of Arkansas, CJ Prosise, and Kenyan Drake. Any of these guys late in Rd. 3 will present value in a deep draft.
You informed me of Darius Jackson, and he looks really good. Big, fast, strong and shifty. A nice set of tools. This video is him against LSU, and he still looks good against higher competition.
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And I imagine it will be the same this year.
Jennings has had limited carries and should be able to make it through the season.
This year I really like Jonathan Williams of Arkansas, CJ Prosise, and Kenyan Drake. Any of these guys late in Rd. 3 will present value in a deep draft.
You build toward the future. Chances are they might move on from Jennings after this year if his production doesn't match his cap figure. Next year is Williams' fourth and final year of his rookie deal; if he doesn't pan out, then you have guys in your pipeline that you've developed.
For perspective: Adrian Peterson, who was born the same week, had more touches by 2009 than Jennings has in his entire career. Peterson also had to come back from a torn ACL. Although they are the same age, I think Jennings is younger in football terms. The calendar will catch up to him eventually, but at this point the problem isn't age, it's his longstanding lack of durability.