I am curious on everyone's assessment of Collins. What can we expect from him? He definitely was thrown in a trial by fire situation. Was he worth trading up for? After a season of learning can he be our answer at safety? Can two pro bowl cornerbacks make up for his lack of coverage skills? He definitely proved he could play well assisting in the run game.
This board needs immediate pro bowlers or bust and doesn't believe in learning and getting better. Weird.
As far as Collins, the kid is going to be a very good player. was he our leading tackler?
Once his is moved to SS and we get a true centerfielder, he is going to make a lot of plays. him dropping the ball doesnt mean he isnt a playmaker. as big of a joke as it is MANY DBs drop the ball on easy INTs...it happens. You put collins around the LOS though, he is going to make a ton of plays between sacks and TFLs. He is a good tackler is quick around the corner and has very good instincts.
I LOVED the trade up for collins and I still do. he is going to be fun to watch...he was out of position all year long and still performed okay. not great not good enough for an early second rounder i agree but still serviceable. now he will be at his natural position...watch he is going to have a very good season
Will he ever live up to his draft status? Time will tell, I suppose. A stronger supporting cast can only help him (which you can say about a lot of players, I know).
+1
Looking forward to seeing how he progresses.
You really can't make this stuff up.
Haha, he definitely hit his ceiling. There's just absolutely no way a rookie can improve.
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who participated in the 3-cone drill at the 2015 combine, Collins was dead last. 41 out of 41. And it wasn't close. He was 7.38 and next slowest was 7.22.
Flashing danger signal that should have confirmed the significance of his coverage issues that had been apparent on the field.
The three-pick trade-up to get him underlines the point that the Giants' draft bureaucracy is not governed by a consistently analytic approach.
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Great post. 3 cone is something the Giants have traditionally valued, it's a head scratcher.
The fact that he is a piece of shit is icing on the cake.
Also agree. He pretty much played like advertised. Good going forward, but not backward. But I will say we need to remember that he was a rookie who had no help next to him, and zero pass rush in front. So it’s way too premature to offer a final assessment of what he can do. We need to wait until the end of this season at the earliest, and probably after 2017 as well.
stop a good college offense. It really was that bad and
some are focus on single players and rookies?
Collins has the tools to fill his role SS
But without a Rangy center-fielder and lack
of a Pass Rush exposes many a good player .
Collins has the tools to fill his role SS
But without a Rangy center-fielder and lack
of a Pass Rush exposes many a good player .
LOLbossman
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his ceiling last year
Haha, he definitely hit his ceiling. There's just absolutely no way a rookie can improve.
You won't improve if you're not quick enough to get in the right position to make a play. HaHa!
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his ceiling last year
Haha, he definitely hit his ceiling. There's just absolutely no way a rookie can improve.
You won't improve if you're not quick enough to get in the right position to make a play. HaHa!
You have all the answers, wish you were running the team.
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his ceiling last year
Haha, he definitely hit his ceiling. There's just absolutely no way a rookie can improve.
This place is unreal. Go back and check the draft threads from last year...You'll find Collins' and Odi's names all over the place.
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his ceiling last year
Haha, he definitely hit his ceiling. There's just absolutely no way a rookie can improve.
You won't improve if you're not quick enough to get in the right position to make a play. HaHa!
You have all the answers, wish you were running the team.
I don't claim to have all the answers. But I dont think Collins will do much better than last year. His quickness is too much of an issue. Now please say something snarky back like I predict.
Is any of the above possible or am I just speaking out of my ass?
The lack of football knowledge on this site is hilarious.
All the bullshit posted on here makes me laugh,especially the people who think they actually know what they are talking about,yet they have no clue.
All you have to do is put on some tape and watch this kid play to know he's gna be a good one.
The fact that he landed awkwardly and the ball popped out at the end of the Patriots game does not mean he choked the game away.
That's like saying OBJ choked the game away because he had the ball knocked out at the last second in the endzone.
Wow,what a bunch of idiots!!
for real,just watch Collins fly around out there as a rookie and you know there's nothing to worry about.
He's going to be an excellent player,especially around the LOS and sideline to sideline.
His coverage will improve as well in his 2nd year,and so on.
He struggled at times in coverage but he also flashed with some really nice plays as well...
The same people who are talking shit about him now,are usually the 1st to suck players off and act like they knew they'd be good from the start!!
Can we please see what he can do when he is surrounded by better talent and not a rookie playing in one of the worst constructed defenses in this franchises history? Some people are so quick to run players out of town like Flowers, Odi, and Collins after their rookie year. You same people would have probably ragged on Michael Strahan too after his 1 sack rookie year. Give the kids a chance. Flowers and Collins were thrown into the fire in positions where they werent setup to succeed.
If efforts are focused on getting a rangy FS who can stay healthy, I'm pretty confident in Collins being able to play with less of a burden, and more loose. Going from the most talented defense in college to the least talented NFL defense is a huge huge shift.
What about drops from WR's? What about missed dunks in the NBA?
It was a freak play, happens all over the league by players both good and bad.
I'm looking forward to the Giants drafting s guy with range and coverage skills to go with him. Without that lets hope the pass rush is insane.
If efforts are focused on getting a rangy FS who can stay healthy, I'm pretty confident in Collins being able to play with less of a burden, and more loose. Going from the most talented defense in college to the least talented NFL defense is a huge huge shift.
so is going from Saban to Spagnoulo
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should we make necessary upgrades. He's already great in run support which we will need with Prince gone (probably his most consistent contribution when he wasn't injured).
If efforts are focused on getting a rangy FS who can stay healthy, I'm pretty confident in Collins being able to play with less of a burden, and more loose. Going from the most talented defense in college to the least talented NFL defense is a huge huge shift.
so is going from Saban to Spagnoulo
That too, but to be fair, Spagnuolo was given a shit sandwich. I don't think he's an amazing DC or anything, but he didn't have a chance last year.
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should we make necessary upgrades. He's already great in run support which we will need with Prince gone (probably his most consistent contribution when he wasn't injured).
If efforts are focused on getting a rangy FS who can stay healthy, I'm pretty confident in Collins being able to play with less of a burden, and more loose. Going from the most talented defense in college to the least talented NFL defense is a huge huge shift.
so is going from Saban to Spagnoulo
That too, but to be fair, Spagnuolo was given a shit sandwich. I don't think he's an amazing DC or anything, but he didn't have a chance last year.
Not true. Spagnuolo doesn't eat bread.
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had nothing to do with being a rookie. That was a gimme. 99% of NFL DB's catch that ball.
It wasn't a gimme, Collins jumped up and snagged the ball at the top of the jump and landed from several feet up in the air directly on his back, dislodging the ball and knocking the wind out of him.
The criticism on that play shouldn't be about dropping the ball - it should be that he didn't realize DRC was in position to pick it off without having to make a spectacular catch.
I'll take guys trying to make plays in key spots(even if they fail) over guys who aren't trying to make plays because more often than not, they will make them.
Collins is a very good tackler, and fans are going to be appreciative of his skill set of Reese takes Floyd.
Agree.
He is going to make a few pro bowls as well.
Quite a few plays behind the LOS. Not sure why everyone is so down on him.
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Quite a few plays behind the LOS. Not sure why everyone is so down on him.
He dropped an INT, therefore, he is a bust.
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Quite a few plays behind the LOS. Not sure why everyone is so down on him.
He dropped an INT, therefore, he is a bust.
Seriously. I don't get the hysteria. I thought he looked really strong attacking the LOS and playing the run.
ARRGH. ARRGH. ARRGH!!!!
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He is going to be a baller for us once he strictly plays at SS. Link - ( New Window )
Quite a few plays behind the LOS. Not sure why everyone is so down on him.
He dropped an INT, therefore, he is a bust.
Seriously. I don't get the hysteria. I thought he looked really strong attacking the LOS and playing the run.
Agree. Just leave him at SS at let him do his thing
ARRGH. ARRGH. ARRGH!!!!
I love the fact people blame him for the loss yet somehow forget Beckham dropped a TD that would have won us the game just a few plays earlier.
People have to realize that in the history of sports - there has never been a player who lost an entire game for a team.
LC can be a major asset if used properly in tandem with a ballhawking FS in 'centerfield'.
I think he's legitimately better than Antrel Rolle as far as reading and attacking at the line. When it comes to seeking and blowing up the run, he might be the best linebacker on the field.
It's not like he's CC Brown in coverage, either. I think he can certainly improve in that area just like Rolle did. He's been in position to make plays and just did not catch the ball.
from what i saw of collins last year, it was really ugly. i was embarrassed for him at times. he's got a long way to go, i can see a reduced role (dime CB) playing closer to the LOS. the good news is he did show talent at certain aspects of the game including special teams so he won't be a total bust either.