If he makes it to the second. Trade up or otherwise...
He gives our offense a weapon we haven't had in a while: a TE who can block and make big catches. I've seen a lot of intermittent support for Elliot, but when it comes to our offense, our O line and receiver corps are the problem areas I and many seem to identify as in need of some kind of supplement. With a big TE, we would have a huge alternative for Eli to target. He could also help our blockers, the run game, and our PA offense. No one has brought up Henry from what I've seen though. I think Ranaan might have had him in one of his mocks, but I think the G Men should seriously consider another throw back (other than the LB in 1) to a beastly TE early on in this draft.
Does he make it to 40? Do we take him if he does? Thoughts?
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you could have said the same before David Wilson in 2012 and before Leonard Floyd in 2016.
If you get a tackle in the first, you still have a major hole at receiver, nickel corner, and free safety, while other positions could use upgrades, like linebacker and running back. And then if you don't like anyone in those positions, you may be able to add an impact pass rusher or defensive tackle, maybe one of the top offensive guards.
In terms of positional value, it's not there at 40. You are certainly getting a good player in Henry at a position that isn't a priority and that already has a pretty good incumbent, at the opportunity cost of forgoing a good player at other positions that are more of a priority for the Giants.
If you want to talk third or fourth round, or later, you have guys that can be every bit as good as Henry, like Nick Vannett, Beau Sandland, and maybe Austin Hooper (my preference is Vannett, then Sandland.
And oh by the way, Vannett does show some ability to come in and actually be a two-way TE, which means he'll probably be drafted before the prognosticators think.
It could be that Reese is a victim of his own success (such as it is). Winning a Super Bowl with Kevin Boss replacing Shockey down the stretch and into the playoffs. Then winning another one with Jake Ballard.
My guess is that the whole Shockey debacle left a bad taste in his mouth. Then watching Bennett use the Giants to increase his value before leaving after a year. And then watching Larry Donnell put up decent numbers in his first year as a starter (for peanuts). He probably figures he can get good production at TE without devoting any significant resources to the position.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think it's plausible.
Need defensive help, too, and need a receiver.
It could be that Reese is a victim of his own success (such as it is). Winning a Super Bowl with Kevin Boss replacing Shockey down the stretch and into the playoffs. Then winning another one with Jake Ballard.
My guess is that the whole Shockey debacle left a bad taste in his mouth. Then watching Bennett use the Giants to increase his value before leaving after a year. And then watching Larry Donnell put up decent numbers in his first year as a starter (for peanuts). He probably figures he can get good production at TE without devoting any significant resources to the position.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think it's plausible.
I think you're spot on with their thinking. I was wishful thinking that someone may contradict that status quo I have in mind that the G Men seem to operate under. I wish they'd reconsider. I think a great TE could be a huge weapon in this offense. I do like Tye though.
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You would think that McAdoo values the TE position higher than the Giants have in recent years, so I wouldn't completely rule out Henry at 40 if he's still on the board, but I'd still say that it's unlikely that they'd draft him.
It could be that Reese is a victim of his own success (such as it is). Winning a Super Bowl with Kevin Boss replacing Shockey down the stretch and into the playoffs. Then winning another one with Jake Ballard.
My guess is that the whole Shockey debacle left a bad taste in his mouth. Then watching Bennett use the Giants to increase his value before leaving after a year. And then watching Larry Donnell put up decent numbers in his first year as a starter (for peanuts). He probably figures he can get good production at TE without devoting any significant resources to the position.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think it's plausible.
I think you're spot on with their thinking. I was wishful thinking that someone may contradict that status quo I have in mind that the G Men seem to operate under. I wish they'd reconsider. I think a great TE could be a huge weapon in this offense. I do like Tye though.
Hey, I'm the guy who would've drafted Tyler Eifert instead of Justin Pugh (although I understand why the Giants chose Pugh). I also had a man-crush on Jace Amaro (but I also had one on Weston Richburg, so it's all good).
Need defensive help, too, and need a receiver.
I think they can go line later. I agree defense is important. I think it's a bigger priority than line. I also think receiver is bigger priority than line. That's why a TE like this would solve a lot of what I perceive to be the weaknesses. But, I'm just a schmuck kid. As long as they draft quality, I'll be satisfied.
Eli needs a safety blanket. Just look at what Whitten done for Romo and the Cowboys offense. Henry could be that.
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The Giants almost HAVE to draft an offensive tackle in the first two rounds, and they have a lot of other high priority holes to fill, what position do you want to forgo until later so you can get a guy at a position that is not a priority?
Need defensive help, too, and need a receiver.
I think they can go line later. I agree defense is important. I think it's a bigger priority than line. I also think receiver is bigger priority than line. That's why a TE like this would solve a lot of what I perceive to be the weaknesses. But, I'm just a schmuck kid. As long as they draft quality, I'll be satisfied.
The players that can play OT early will be gone if they wait. I can almost guarantee you that there is going to be a run on OL, and if they don't get a guy by 40, they will be very lucky to get a OT that can play at #71 overall.
...not in a very weak Tight End draft.
Take him at 10; trade down from 10; or trade up from 40.
But this dude will not be there at 40!
Doubt he makes it out of the first round.
Oh please. That's ridiculous.
I think they will go with a OT Safety CB DE
before they go TE Hunter would be fine if they
had landed another Starter before the draft not
to say they are Done in that regard as they
could still add a WR Like Bolden or another OT.
Love the idea of adding a 3 down player on offense.
It would be a nice pick, unless they really like what they have @ TE already.
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You would think that McAdoo values the TE position higher than the Giants have in recent years, so I wouldn't completely rule out Henry at 40 if he's still on the board, but I'd still say that it's unlikely that they'd draft him.
It could be that Reese is a victim of his own success (such as it is). Winning a Super Bowl with Kevin Boss replacing Shockey down the stretch and into the playoffs. Then winning another one with Jake Ballard.
My guess is that the whole Shockey debacle left a bad taste in his mouth. Then watching Bennett use the Giants to increase his value before leaving after a year. And then watching Larry Donnell put up decent numbers in his first year as a starter (for peanuts). He probably figures he can get good production at TE without devoting any significant resources to the position.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think it's plausible.
I think you're spot on with their thinking. I was wishful thinking that someone may contradict that status quo I have in mind that the G Men seem to operate under. I wish they'd reconsider. I think a great TE could be a huge weapon in this offense. I do like Tye though.
Also agree.
Also, if Henry develops into a big time player, he lessens the need for the "#2 WR" folks have been clamoring for.
If you have Odell and the coverage he attracts on top of Henry if he turns into the pass catcher who teams must game plan and match up against every week, then that can allow Cruz (if he is fully healthy) to gain very favorable coverage against weaker defenders.
Doubtful he will be there at #40. But from an offensive scheming standpoint, he could be a huge addition if it all worked out.
Even though we had both Hynoski and Conner one the roster there was talk that McAdoo was thinking of not keeping any FB at all. Just TEs. We did keep Hynoski, who was a very good receiver. It puzzled me when they kept Whitlock last year. He sucks in the passing game. I felt that was a TC decision all the way and I'm anxious to see what these young coaches prefer to do on their own calling the shots.
We could use a guy like Henry. I've wanted a guy like this for Eli. A young TE that would run through a wall for our QB. He'd hopefully be that guy that Eli can grow to count on. He'd put in the extra time working with Eli too. He'd be everything we wished for Shockey to be and nothing like he really was.
Or I could just be crazy.