Sick of looking at that game 5 thread and envisioning a happy hudson and Steelgiant jumping up and down for joy with their Crosby and "Kristopher Allen" Letang blow-up dolls.
Lets discuss early offseason news and our golf and summer plans here, but lets also see the hatred flowing as we root against ....well... everybody. The only worse EC final 4 i can think of would be to swap in Flyers or Devils for Tampa, and that's impossible under the new playoff format. And Tampa sucks too.
So fuck 'em all - I want to see pain, inept officiating as we saw in NYI/FL games 5 & 6, coaches challenges and long delays, 3 OT games with the home team losing, *lulz* quotes from kwhite2250 that the 'sky is falling' on NYI threads, and of course, a Western Conference Champion.
Both ways.
Consistency to me is key, but don't pull the whistle out in the last 4 min now
Both ways.
Consistency to me is key, but don't pull the whistle out in the last 4 min now
I'd be irate if I were a Penguins fan at that non call in the corner.
But I'm not, so lololol.
wrap arounds, short side on a point shot.
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are letting a lot go.
Both ways.
Consistency to me is key, but don't pull the whistle out in the last 4 min now
I'd be irate if I were a Penguins fan at that non call in the corner.
But I'm not, so lololol.
I would be too, but the Sharks took two sticks to the face that went uncalled. there was another interference by the Sharks that wasn't called, and the embellishment was obvious.
wrap arounds, short side on a point shot.
Doesn't Murray just look so technically unsound to you? He just consistently looks off to me.
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gets beat in the worst spots.
wrap arounds, short side on a point shot.
Doesn't Murray just look so technically unsound to you? He just consistently looks off to me.
Yes. Absolutely. He's unorthodox and not positionally sound IMO. The Pens have the perfect system for him though, limit the defensive zone time, get your forwards down low and in the shooting lanes and have your defense clear out the rebounds.
Sucks about SCF OT's - in my experience they are the absolute worst.
OT, especially in the SCF takes that to another level.
I know the Rangers had a rough finals, but for the un-attached fan watching stress free, it's a lot of fun.
Unless it ends on a shot off Tyler Johnson's ass, that's just anti-climactic.
I wanted a long, drawn out, OT.
To depths that fish could never even imagine..
the Penguins just roll 4 lines of forecheck at you. and have broken up so many breakouts and stolen so many pucks in the offensive zone they are dominating zone play and subsequently shots.
I wonder how it will change in SJ with the crowd behind them.
Article from BSB on Rick Nash's trade value below. Curious on whether of those are intriguing to others' here.
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The trade with Colorado is interesting in that it gets you into the top 10 AND brings back a Russian comrade for Buch.
Have to admit I'm not familiar with Zadorov or either Ducks prospect, and won't have time to do look further until later tonight.
Really not interested in the packages listed for retaining 50%. I'm not as down on Nash as many. I'd really need a great offer to retain 50% AND let him go.
unless it's a salary dump to make a run at Stamkos which at this point, I'm not even sure I'd want to do at the ridiculous contract Stamkos will get.
MTL could use Nash, maybe a 2nd round pick, Desharnais, and one of Montreal's plethora of middling, but decent, defenseman.
Fact is I trade Nash because I need his money to resign other players and make some UFA moves. So in my opinion it really isnt Nash for X. It is a lot more complicated. Tell me what trading Nash lets us do, and if we keep him who do we lose (and what do we get for them).
It's asset management. It's the evil vs. good Strals issue all over again. I would have resigned Strals and traded KK, who would have yielded a late #1 or a #2 IMO. And that's before Stralman's game going to another level.
Shit, if I wasnt so scared of giving Yandle term, wouldnt the argument be that anything decent for Nash is worth it if it lets you resign Yandle for a bit less money?
Montreal's has two 2nd round picks (39 and 45), I'll throw in both.
Desharnais is a top 3 C and he's only signed one more year at 3.5M.
In my scenario MTL would be taking on all Nash's salary.
Make the defenseman Greg Pateryn, who is like a McIlrath but has no spot in MTL.
Yakupov and Kassian stink (Kassian was a hab last year and wore out his welcome before lacing up the skates). Plus the 30% salary you're stuck with (at least - in all trades, some as much as 50%)
none of the other trades are as good as this one.
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Pretty sure I'd accept any one of the 10+ offers in the BSB article than that pile.
Montreal's has two 2nd round picks (39 and 45), I'll throw in both.
Desharnais is a top 3 C and he's only signed one more year at 3.5M.
In my scenario MTL would be taking on all Nash's salary.
Make the defenseman Greg Pateryn, who is like a McIlrath but has no spot in MTL.
Yakupov and Kassian stink (Kassian was a hab last year and wore out his welcome before lacing up the skates). Plus the 30% salary you're stuck with (at least - in all trades, some as much as 50%)
none of the other trades are as good as this one.
The second 2nd increase it a good bit, but still no interest in Desharnais. Rather have the lottery ticket on Nail.
Either way, my main point was that it's an offer where I'd rather keep Nash.
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Pretty sure I'd accept any one of the 10+ offers in the BSB article than that pile.
Montreal's has two 2nd round picks (39 and 45), I'll throw in both.
Desharnais is a top 3 C and he's only signed one more year at 3.5M.
In my scenario MTL would be taking on all Nash's salary.
Make the defenseman Greg Pateryn, who is like a McIlrath but has no spot in MTL.
Yakupov and Kassian stink (Kassian was a hab last year and wore out his welcome before lacing up the skates). Plus the 30% salary you're stuck with (at least - in all trades, some as much as 50%)
none of the other trades are as good as this one.
The second 2nd increase it a good bit, but still no interest in Desharnais. Rather have the lottery ticket on Nail.
Either way, my main point was that it's an offer where I'd rather keep Nash.
Agree, I'd rather keep Nash than any of the offers. especially those where the Rangers retain 50% of his salary for a late round 1st back.
How does that help them in Hank's window?
Yes, it would be. But you are correct to be scared of the term on Yandle. It's going to take Rangers fans a while for the pain caused by the Staal and Girardi deals. Obviously very different players, but for now I'm willing to err on the side of caution with D-men getting new deals around age 30. I'll happily be wrong on one or two that I let walk if it keeps me out of messes of the magnitude the rangers are in right now.
I agree that it's an achievable number to get to, though.
I think if the Rangers are adding a 4th liner in FA, I think it should be a C. They should be looking to fill the Ws with guys like Hrivik and Jensen to get the most out of the cap while also getting younger and giving experience to guys with middle-6 potential.
As far as forwards, IFFFF the Rangers ultimately go with a low-turnover offseason (who knows how that is...) I don't mind at all if it looks something like
Kreider-Brass-Zucc
Miller-Step-Fast
Buch-Hayes-Stalberg
Jensen-UFA-Hrivik
I'm assuming that Lindberg misses a good chunk of the season with injuries. Cap money from Nash goes to a puck moving D (in this scenario, it's probably Yandle, since the only other viable way I see of getting one is to trade a forward for one of the young RFA D).
The think I don't like about this case is that it creates a real fandango as far as deciding who to protect going into the expansion draft. While you could find a palatable answer assuming allowed to keep 7F and 3D, there's no way to get to 25% salary cap exposure (the likely rule) that I can see.
This is why I say:
Keep Nash - that contract is going to be very valuable in navigating the expansion draft next year. Upside is that he has a great season and his value is truly high, and you protect or trade him then.
Sign Stalberg to a 2 year deal, say 2.25/year.
Trade one of Kreider/Hayes for the best package of picks you can get. (For now, say it's Kreider that gets dealt)
Trade Stepan for a package including a very young PMD + another nice piece. Say something like Stepan and a small add (maybe Klein?) to the Wild for Dumba + Coyle.
Sign Hayes to $3m * 4 years
Sign Miller to $4m * 6 years
Zucc Brass Nash
Miller Coyle Fast
Buch Hayes Stalberg
Jensen UFA Hrivik
McDonagh Dumba
Skjei McIlrath
Girardi Staal
Expansion Draft Protect:
Zucc
Brass
Miller
Coyle
Fast
Hayes
McDonagh
Dumba
Staal (mandatory)
I don't believe Skjei and Buch would need to be protected since ELC deals
Nash + Girardi + Stalberg + Raanta gets you right up near the required 25% exposed money. Probably $2-3m short.
and I think that's a playoff team that can make noise. Not a favorite or a cup finalist, but I don't see many paths to that for 16-17.
Just my take on a traffic-jammed bus ride home...
They just need to find a way to not get skull-fucked in the balance of play in the neutral zone.
Now Thornton with a great chance, no joy.
They have not.
He's fairly absurdly talented. One of the greatest players of all time. Probably highly underrated because of his teammate and his far more loud countryman. Pretty sure he plays with a wide variety of health issues. Can't claim to know every detail but if he stayed healthy and strong, he's one of these players who makes it look like man against boys sometimes.
If you want to watch someone school people at hockey without using a single "metric", watch him.
if you want to watch someone who is a possession god, watch him.
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He is the player who reminds me most of Jagr in his prime. or even Lemieux.
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the other half he looks like himself, Jagr is a good comp, so big and strong on the puck, deceptively speedy for his size, quick hands, sniper shot.
but so often this series he just gives up on plays, and I think it's because he's not 100% or not in 100% shape based on his injury.
Going out on a limb? No, but whatever.
And Murray has been the difference in this series. It should be 3 - 0 Pens, but Murray let's up so MAF-like goals.
Game 3 SJ was at least equal, if not dominated, but they still didn't have a ton of quality chances.
I get they have to travel coast to coast practically, but I hate the two days off in between games. Wrap it up. this whole playoffs has been mostly disappointing.