NFT: NYR Early Offseason & Anti-East Conf Playoff Teams Thread

In comment 12924967 Greg from LI said:

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Cherepanov may or may not have panned out, but he was the most talented Rangers forward prospect since Kovalev. There was a very good chance he could have blossomed into the top dog scorer they've so desperately lacked. Mike Sauer was a better defenseman than Girardi when he was still good, and likely would still be a very good defenseman today if healthy. He would have gotten one of the big contracts instead of Staal or Girardi. The eye injury didn't help, but the injury that really seemed to significantly hamper his career is when his brother gave him a concussion. Staal was never a banger, but he was much more physical before that. Ever since he's been almost completely finesse.

Brendl was more talented, and Chery v. Lundmark could be a close call (and Im discounting hyper talented little guys like Savard). Yeah, I went there.

As for Sauer, I dont think he was as good as the best we saw from Girardi. Dan Girardi was more than a warrior. At his best he was insanely effective.

Agree that Staal basically never recovered from those two injuries. Sad!

A lot of salary. Turns 32 in a few days, bad knee, concussions, glacially slow now, and makes a ton of money.

In comment 12925122 Giants2012 said:

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Staal - please, somebody take him.

Did the league announce two West coast teams for the 2016-2017 that none of us have heard about?

In comment 12925102 Greg from LI said:

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But that could be a tough sell. Brett, I just don't see any way that the brass wants to ax both of them.

Different circumstances but Roy was traded (then Montreal traded Thibault, Theodore, and Halak LOL they just trade goalies), Hasek was traded, Fuhr was traded. Mike Vernon was traded. Ed belfour was traded.

other than Vernon they're all in the hall of fame. I think fans have to realize at 34, 35 before next playoffs, he might be more valuable to the Rangers in a trade than between the pipes.

And it doesn't mean you're rebuilding or throwing in the towel. lots of goalie options IMO.

So whether anyone thinks it's a good idea or not to explore trading him the Rangers can't unless he wants to go and that seems highly unlikely based on everything he has said and done up to this point.

Lundmark's appeal was supposed to be his high floor. A lot of people said that he wouldn't be a huge scorer but that he was a lock to be a potential future captain and good #2 center, a 20-30-50 type. That, of course, didn't happen.

Brendl was a huge gamble. Enormous skill, average athleticism, questionable work ethic. Might have had the higher ceiling but Cherepanov was much more of a sure thing - much better skater and competitor. It's worth mentioning that Cherepanov made Omsk as a 17 year old and was tied for third on the team in goals with 18 in 47 games. At the time of his death, he had tallied 8-5-13 in only 15 games as a 19 year old in the KHL. That's pretty damned impressive, comparable to the numbers Kuznetsov posted that had the Caps drooling.

In comment 12925150 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 12925122 Giants2012 said: Quote: Staal - please, somebody take him. Did the league announce two West coast teams for the 2016-2017 that none of us have heard about?

Lost again? This summer or NEXT? That would qualify for 2017-18 data boy.

But we're in the minority on that one among the fans, and I'm not sure the front office would have the stones to trade their franchise player.

If you want to retool quickly, though, it makes the most sense.

... regarding thoughts on his impending free agency. Personally, I think he goes home to Toronto.

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In comment 12925170 arniefez said:

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So whether anyone thinks it's a good idea or not to explore trading him the Rangers can't unless he wants to go and that seems highly unlikely based on everything he has said and done up to this point.

He's a Ny celebrity and appears to really enjoy it. Doubt he wants to move and couldn't blame him if he didn't.

Swell.


How badly will he want to stay as it becomes apparent that the Rangers aren't going to be a contender for at least another year or two, if not longer? He's going to turn 35 next month. If he wants a Cup badly, and I have no idea why he wouldn't, he's probably going to have to go elsewhere to have a shot at it.

In comment 12925179 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12925150 MetsAreBack said: Quote: In comment 12925122 Giants2012 said: Quote: Staal - please, somebody take him. Did the league announce two West coast teams for the 2016-2017 that none of us have heard about? Lost again? This summer or NEXT? That would qualify for 2017-18 data boy.

It's not a matter of being lost, its a matter of reading what passes for your English. If you wanted to ask if there might be a draft next summer -- you simply would have said "is there an expansion draft next summer?"

Only a clueless idiot would ask the question of whether there would be a draft this summer, or 3 months from now, when the league isnt expanding as of now.

But I do enjoy your backtracking yet again... keep up the great work, your value-add is off the charts!!

In comment 12925178 Greg from LI said:

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Lundmark's appeal was supposed to be his high floor. A lot of people said that he wouldn't be a huge scorer but that he was a lock to be a potential future captain and good #2 center, a 20-30-50 type. That, of course, didn't happen. Brendl was a huge gamble. Enormous skill, average athleticism, questionable work ethic. Might have had the higher ceiling but Cherepanov was much more of a sure thing - much better skater and competitor. It's worth mentioning that Cherepanov made Omsk as a 17 year old and was tied for third on the team in goals with 18 in 47 games. At the time of his death, he had tallied 8-5-13 in only 15 games as a 19 year old in the KHL. That's pretty damned impressive, comparable to the numbers Kuznetsov posted that had the Caps drooling.

Well I said Brendl. Re Lundmark I just said it could be a close call.

The failure of that draft class, within the context of a decade plus of worthless drafts, just fucking killed the organization for a while. People want to point to the big FA money to guys like Holik and Kaminsky etc., but it was the trades of picks and piss-poor drafting that murdered us.

In comment 12925316 MetsAreBack said:

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It's not a matter of being lost, its a matter of reading what passes for your English. If you wanted to ask if there might be a draft next summer -- you simply would have said "is there an expansion draft next summer?" Only a clueless idiot would ask the question of whether there would be a draft this summer, or 3 months from now, when the league isnt expanding as of now. But I do enjoy your backtracking yet again... keep up the great work, your value-add is off the charts!!

lol - you really can't figure the difference between "this summer" or "next" and blame me? You're sad

Exactly how much Slats and Gordon fucked up the Talbot situation. I think it's pretty clear that they overplayed their hand and things crumbled, but I'd love to know what they pissed away in doing so.

(Florida ended up getting a better player in Reilly Smith instead)

...and I find it hard to believe Buffalo wouldnt have offered us their late first (21st overall) that they gave up for Lehner (they got a shitty player Legwand also in that deal)

But we got 3 picks for Talbot (a 2nd, 3rd and hail mary 6th) - not sure which is better, one late first or a 2nd and 3rd.

I thought the real disaster was the Hagelin trade - Hagelin for just moving up 18 slots in the 2nd round plus Etem who AV immediately buried on the 4th line and dumped by December. Brutal.

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but I dont ever recall a number 1 on the table. I thought Jones was considered a much better prospect than an already late 20s Talbot?

I could be mistaken. I just remember Lehner being the one that pissed me off, not Jones (who is tremendous i think)

according to this article, a #1 was on the table for Talbot. And that pick was in the teens i think?

Also Cam is less than 2 years older than Jones.

Ouch. Who knows if true.
San Jose - Talbot - ( New Window )

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I said from the beginning I expected the Islanders to win this series. It's still a long ways away from over but I just don't think TB is good enough without Stamkos and Stralman. I don't think they'd beat the Capitals in an ECF though.

Florida was a tougher test for NYI than an injury ravaged Tampa team which lets face it, probably loses in the first round if they were playing anyone but Detroit in round 1 (the 6 vs 8 seed).

As we've said way too many times, the Rangers really fucked up not landing in that 7 hole.

If Anaheim wins tonight, i called 7 of 8 right in the first round (Kings wrong), with STL-LA and WAS-NYI projected for next round. WAS-STL final. Of course i did not predict that Dallas would mind-numbingly bring back Seguin off very few practices into game 2 of a series they knew they'd win easily without him. STL should win in 5 tops now.

Kiss the ring.

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I do have the Caps winning it all, but it was against CHI.

I had the Capitals, TB, Dallas, and maybe Nashville with the upset. I find it hard to believe anyone else on here had Nashville, against the 2 seed.

I was wrong on every other series. and if the Predators lose, I was only right on 3 series.

God PJ sucks

you married a Bruins fan.

I'm either impressed ... or terrified for your marriage... that you've managed to still hate the Bruins all these years while living and raising a family with one.

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In comment 12925904 MetsAreBack said:

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you married a Bruins fan. I'm either impressed ... or terrified for your marriage... that you've managed to still hate the Bruins all these years while living and raising a family with one.

She's not that hardcore of a fan. I mean she follows the team and knows how they're doing, but she could probably name 3 players on the team (Bergeron, Chara, and Rask). She bought me one of the Winter Classic Canadiens winter hats for Christmas.

We definitely cannot watch Bruins Canadiens games in the same room though. Any time the Bruins score or god forbid win, she and the kids get in my face.

the winter classic was awesome, my wife's whole family was over and I had all my Canadiens gear on. and i have a bottle opener that when you open a bottle plays the Canadiens "goal music" they wanted to kill me by the end of the day.

I can only imagine the house 2 years ago for Game 7

Dance dance danc3

They need a great goaltender, and they have a ton of prospects and young players to deal.

He might be the guy... he'll certainly get his chance to be

Maddening to watch Bishop get plastered with those fucking Serta mattresses strapped to his legs and think about the fact that we couldn't get a single puck past him in 2 of the last 3 games of the ECF last year. But I guess that's just how it goes.

is a better goalie than he was today.

I've seen him steal playoff games and even series.

in the playoffs last year the first game against MTL, the double OT win, he absolutely was a brick wall. same with game 3 and 6.

but...he had bad games in each series. maybe a little MAF-like.

In the SCF the Lightning lost in 6 and Bishop allowed more than 2 goals once in 6 games (and they won that game 4 - 3).

I don't think they need a goalie change.

Holtby, and Quick the Vezina finalists.

But I still say Tampa in 5.

Tonight got away from them, but Tampa still has more than the isles can handle.

Very good game

I don’t know why people in their right mind deal with that basketball bracket shit. the NHL playoffs is the best. I watch every game.

BRILLIANT....

Haha, that was cool. Nashville just played four corners and killed over a minute on the ice with their goalie pulled. Brilliantly done, I would’ve laughed a bit if they put the puck in their own net.

Nashville wins!!

and to be honest, I'm not sure I'd feel this way about Manning and the Giants (primarily since I was born into the Giants and was a fan since as early as I can remember) but I was always in a family that was split between the Devils and the Rangers, loosely gravitated towards the Rangers, but really started truly following hockey after the 04 lockout....which was 05.... Hank's rookie year. He IS the embodiment and manifestation of the Rangers to me, moreso than Eli is of the Giants of the era I remember (other strong personalities that overlapped, not the case with the Rangers as much).

Point being that on a personal level, I'd rather go down with Lundqvist and take the risk that the slight (yet ever increasing) gulf in % chance that the Rangers win the cup just hits blind luck, as opposed to get a mariginally (or maybe even decent) increase in that % without him.

Again, this is just my POV as someone who started watching his rookie year, but it would absolutely kill me to see him go.

We gotta win one with him, or at least try till he hangs them up. He is a Rangers, he was born for New York City, he was an unheralded rookie, and on top of all that he's beast at guitar and can rocks the best god damn suits.

I love the fuckin guy. With some other teams (Giants), I might love players, but when it's their time it's their time, cause hey, it's a business dude, sorry. Just always seemed different with Hank, and sort hockey in general coming from someone who approached the sport as the first generation to strongly follow it.

a month ago that CHI, LA, and ANA would all be out in the the first round, I would've told you you were nuts. Nice to have some new blood in the WCF though.

Also, I have no idea what TB was doing last night, but I guess the hockey gods are just having too much fun twisting the knife in the eyes of Rangers' fans everywhere. Stop the madness!

Also had the Rangers winning every series in 4 and winning the Cup against the Sharks by scoring four goals the entire series.

So close.

That's the fun of it when you know the NBA playoffs is just going to be Lebron vs the Spurs or "whoever" Episode VII

is who beat CHI. I thought STL and CHI were the two best teams in the West.

LA is always hit or miss IMO. CHI was the surprise to lose, but not to STL.

that was one of the best series I've seen in a long time.

In comment 12926541 BrettNYG10 said:

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Also had the Rangers winning every series in 4 and winning the Cup against the Sharks by scoring four goals the entire series. So close.

Columbus will eliminate the Rangers in Round 1

So close!!!!

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Only team left I don't want to win. I hate Joe Thornton. On one hand it would be great to see another former Bruin win a cup elsewhere, but still don't like him.

In comment 12926645 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 12926541 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Also had the Rangers winning every series in 4 and winning the Cup against the Sharks by scoring four goals the entire series. So close. Columbus will eliminate the Rangers in Round 1 So close!!!!

If Columbus made the playoffs and the Rangers lost to them I would have been right, dammit!

...and all the wasted cap space that they have get them to take a close look at Lundqvist this offseason?

Cant really blame this year's failure on goaltending though -- they couldnt score goals. Good thing they traded Hagelin.