I know I promised I would pop in with what I have been told and a few people have been asking for the info.
My understanding is that the target is really Myles Jack unless someone unexpected falls. Don't be surprised if there is even a small move to 7 or 8 if he is still there.
The Giants believe that in terms of non-qb's there are 4 guys that they would be LOVE to grab in the draft and think internally that one of these 4 is going to be there. Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, and Buckner. If those 4 are gone things become muddy.
Bosa is expected to tumble down to the mid teens on draft day because of the partying issue, and the Giants are in the group of teams not interested at 10. Some teams don't even have him on their first round board but as we know it only takes one team...
Paxton Lynch is a lock to go top 10 at this point and won't get past the Niners and Browns.
The wildcard is Leonard Floyd. One of my two contacts says he isn't even in the conversation and the other says he would be the consolation prize for the Giants if they missed out on their big 4.
Stanley isn't really on the Giants radar as the Giants don't really want to move Flowers and Stanley isn't playing RT.
If Jack, Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, and Floyd are all gone then the next thought would probably be Treadwell. No other WR is in the convo at 10, nor is Elliot.
With my luck the Giants will draft someone else and I'll have egg all over my face but this is just what I am hearing.
And there seems to be a contradiction with Tunsil,Stanley,and the moving of Flowers to right tacke.
Goff
Wentz
Ramsey
Elliott
Tunsil
Jack
Lynch
Buckner
Floyd
Maybe then you slide back for Lawson and additional picks?
most mocks have lawson in the 15-25 range so maybe a tradedown guy
I’d prefer the gamble on Floyd before Jack. And I don’t want Floyd. Health before everything else.
No. They'd have 5 legit DL (plus Owa), so where would they all play in a 34? Stick with the 43 and Buckner spells JPP/Vernon for 15-20 plays at DE and then slides in and spells Hankins/Harrison at DT on rush downs.
The theory would be the giants have what 3-5 year window with Eli and then when he is gone the chances of them getting a championship level QB that will succeed him will be slim.
So take more of a injury risk with Jack who is one of if not the most impactful player coming out of the draft you can take that risk.
Instead of hoping he can play 10+ years. Maybe they are hoping they can get 5-6 elite years before his knee starts acting up which aligns with Eli's career.
Thanks for sharing.
Love the asshat info, bro. Thrilly Dilly likes your style man. Remember when you called out frauds for watching tape? Oh man, claaaasic stuff. An act of courage. An act of elitism. A knack for singling out the wannabes.
If the Thrillhouse is reading your asshat post correctly, you are saying that at pick number 10, we might draft Trees in DeForrest Buckner, Myles to Kilometers Jack, any of the top OTs, or the "wild card" Leonard Floyd?
Bold stuff. Reminds ill Thrill of when WeatherMan and Tom [Giants fan] speculated that the wind might be invisible. Thanks for narrowing down the possibilities.
Thrillionaire has his own sources, so here you go: Crying Jordan Ranaan has told me -- personally, through an assistant -- that Leonard Floyd is favorite in the clubhouse. Sorry to reveal my source of inside info, but your asshat is FITTED (meaning it's old and out of stytle) whereas the THRILL RIDE's asshat is a backwards snapback -- trend setting, adjustable, and expertely paired with a sleeveless hoodie and some fingerless gloves.
Also, please keep this info PRIVATE. Insider stuff is privileged so don't go flippantly sharing it in a public place, such as a men's room at a highway rest stop or a free internet message board.
If Cleveland doesnt trade down, Elliot is the guy, and thats assuming Cowboys dont take him, which I believe is a strong probability.
Goff
Wentz
Ramsey
Elliott
Tunsil
Jack
Lynch
Buckner
Floyd
Maybe then you slide back for Lawson and additional picks?
Buckner makes a ton of sense at cleveland from a scheme perspective, since Horton said he will run some kind of hybrid 3-4.
Love the asshat info, bro. Thrilly Dilly likes your style man. Remember when you called out frauds for watching tape? Oh man, claaaasic stuff. An act of courage. An act of elitism. A knack for singling out the wannabes.
If the Thrillhouse is reading your asshat post correctly, you are saying that at pick number 10, we might draft Trees in DeForrest Buckner, Myles to Kilometers Jack, any of the top OTs, or the "wild card" Leonard Floyd?
Bold stuff. Reminds ill Thrill of when WeatherMan and Tom [Giants fan] speculated that the wind might be invisible. Thanks for narrowing down the possibilities.
Thrillionaire has his own sources, so here you go: Crying Jordan Ranaan has told me -- personally, through an assistant -- that Leonard Floyd is favorite in the clubhouse. Sorry to reveal my source of inside info, but your asshat is FITTED (meaning it's old and out of stytle) whereas the THRILL RIDE's asshat is a backwards snapback -- trend setting, adjustable, and expertely paired with a sleeveless hoodie and some fingerless gloves.
Also, please keep this info PRIVATE. Insider stuff is privileged so don't go flippantly sharing it in a public place, such as a men's room at a highway rest stop or a free internet message board.
LOL. This is one of the funniest things I have read on BBI.
Thank goodness you don't run the Giants FO...
I wouldnt skip him, but Bosa is a very limited player in terms of his role.
As in he is strictly a 4-3 LDE, because he's got no ability to rush outside.
I think that really hurts his stock, but he's also a pretty good lock for not being a complete bust because of his consistent production relative to his age in college.
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I wouldnt skip him, but Bosa is a very limited player in terms of his role.
As in he is strictly a 4-3 LDE, because he's got no ability to rush outside.
I think that really hurts his stock, but he's also a pretty good lock for not being a complete bust because of his consistent production relative to his age in college.
When I see Bosa I see Kenny Holmes. People like flash, not solid if unspectacular, long career
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and they skip him....
I wouldnt skip him, but Bosa is a very limited player in terms of his role.
As in he is strictly a 4-3 LDE, because he's got no ability to rush outside.
I think that really hurts his stock, but he's also a pretty good lock for not being a complete bust because of his consistent production relative to his age in college.
When I see Bosa I see Kenny Holmes. People like flash, not solid if unspectacular, long career
Yup I agree. I think he's going to have a very consistent career as a 7-10 sack guy.
That would be unreal.
I get the concerns about the scheme fit for Buckner, but if Spags is going to be more multiple look, then he will find ways to get him plenty of snaps.
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and they skip him....
I wouldnt skip him, but Bosa is a very limited player in terms of his role.
As in he is strictly a 4-3 LDE, because he's got no ability to rush outside.
I think that really hurts his stock, but he's also a pretty good lock for not being a complete bust because of his consistent production relative to his age in college.
When I see Bosa I see Kenny Holmes. People like flash, not solid if unspectacular, long career
My perception as well. I'm sure I'll take heat for that, but I really don't see the "special" pass rush ability for Bosa. Good all around lineman, but not a difference maker in the passing game. Now watch him prove me entirely wrong.
I agree on SF.
I dont see anyway they let Chip Kelly draft a QB.
CLE I think would love to trade down again and accrue more 1st round picks, so they are a huge pressure point for Lynch because they are a willing partner, AND Chicago is another huge roadblock teams will be forced to trade in front of in order to guarantee Lynch-- making TB, NYG obvious trade partners.
Basically, if Lynch is still available at #8, you have to trade up all the way there in order to guarantee you'll get him before #11 (chicago) because teams will also be offering TB and NYG trades in order to pick in front of Chicago if it happens that Cleveland doesnt want to trade down and doesnt pick Lynch.
Indeed. Either one would immediately upgrade the defense.
I'm starting to think about Jack, and then Ogbah in the 2nd. Ogbah is also going to develop into a monster imo.
The opening melodrama aside, you make decisions to win championships. It's very easy to make the argument that a few seasons of elite defensive play from Jack overlapping with the rest of Eli's prime is gives the team a better chance to win than whoever would be available at 10 plus a solid starter who you could project being taken in rd 2.
He was reported to have a horrible time at the combines and was called too 'laid back' in some interviews with teams.
People talk about Mario Manningham's score of 9, but it was quite different. Manningham went to the Combine having never hired an agent.
Players that hire agents (huge mistake by Manningham not to have done it well before the Combine) are very well prepared for what will happen at every aspect of the Combine (workout, interviews, Wonderlic, etc). With Buckner a Top 10 pick, one can only imagined he was coached and took practice tests before getting to Indy.
I could live with Jack even though I want Jaylon Smith. Jack is more realistic.
Some of what you heard backs up what I've been saying.
Bosa drops to the teens (Raiders at 14.)
No interest in Elliot (since we have 5 RBs already)
Paxton Lynch a lock to go top 10, although I don't think it will be to San Fran, they want Connor Cook and may take him at 7 if they think the Jets or Broncos might snag him in the first rd. lynch to Cleveland makes complete sense.
Disappointed the Jints have little interest in Stanley, I was hoping that if SF went Cook, Stanley would fall to us but Conklin has been gaining traction. A lot of teams like his work ethic and walk on story, feel he will keep getting better, would like any of the OT's available instead of Floyd.
Thanks for the effort.
People talk about Mario Manningham's score of 9, but it was quite different. Manningham went to the Combine having never hired an agent.
Players that hire agents (huge mistake by Manningham not to have done it well before the Combine) are very well prepared for what will happen at every aspect of the Combine (workout, interviews, Wonderlic, etc). With Buckner a Top 10 pick, one can only imagined he was coached and took practice tests before getting to Indy.
He got a 9? While I don't adhere to dinging a prospect because of his low Wonderlic test, getting a 9 is simply ridiculous. I took it a few years ago and am amazed a human-being can't score at least a 20.
Buckner can be on my Defensive Line anyday though...
This carries a certain amount of weight because the organization has to investigate a player's ancestry to confirm his eligibility for honors. All of the candidates are listed with DOB and place of birth.
Until about a month ago, Wikipedia did not have a DOB for Buckner but now shows it as March 17, 1994, with no source for the information. Rotoworld has changed its YOB for Buckner from 1992 to 1994 but with a different day: March 24 instead of March 17.
Two years can sway decisions and mean lots of bucks, so hope the Giants are making sure they have the official info.
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Love the asshat info, bro. Thrilly Dilly likes your style man. Remember when you called out frauds for watching tape? Oh man, claaaasic stuff. An act of courage. An act of elitism. A knack for singling out the wannabes.
If the Thrillhouse is reading your asshat post correctly, you are saying that at pick number 10, we might draft Trees in DeForrest Buckner, Myles to Kilometers Jack, any of the top OTs, or the "wild card" Leonard Floyd?
Bold stuff. Reminds ill Thrill of when WeatherMan and Tom [Giants fan] speculated that the wind might be invisible. Thanks for narrowing down the possibilities.
Thrillionaire has his own sources, so here you go: Crying Jordan Ranaan has told me -- personally, through an assistant -- that Leonard Floyd is favorite in the clubhouse. Sorry to reveal my source of inside info, but your asshat is FITTED (meaning it's old and out of stytle) whereas the THRILL RIDE's asshat is a backwards snapback -- trend setting, adjustable, and expertely paired with a sleeveless hoodie and some fingerless gloves.
Also, please keep this info PRIVATE. Insider stuff is privileged so don't go flippantly sharing it in a public place, such as a men's room at a highway rest stop or a free internet message board.
LOL. This is one of the funniest things I have read on BBI.
Why do I picture Hulk Hogan or some other wrestler saying this?