Nah, I'm just kidding. We can legitimately dump on millennials for certain things... they're too sensitive, they have no attention span, etc. But buy and large these are the new problems of age vs. youth, and they tend to moderate as the youth get older.
Things will work themselves out. Things tend to do just that. And if they don't... it's not because of millennials, it's because of humanity. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
...as importantly as any other factor - Americans tend to spend the most when they hit their 40's and 50's - Baby Boomers hit their big spending years when Bill Clinton was President - Millenials can be expected to have the same impact.
And face it, that's most of their cognizant lives. Let them pay $6.50 per gallon for gas and force them to drive a Lada for 6 months and capitalism will make a rebound.
The last 15 years wasn't some kind of 6-month fluke. I'd venture to say that they are more rooted in reality than those of us holding on to the last century.
The last 15 years wasn't some kind of 6-month fluke. I'd venture to say that they are more rooted in reality than those of us holding on to the last century.
Then they can consider that while their smartphone was manufactured in China it was developed in the US. And they're not telling all their friends about it on Facebookski which can't reach their new friends in Cuba.
but this is what happens when you raise a kid to believe they are a unique little snowflake. these kids were told that a good education was the key to being successful in life. they paid a hell of a lot more for their college education than generations before only to find that there are few jobs available for them in a market flooded with people with degrees.
they are not scared of the world like baby boomers post world wars. Born and raised in a world of unity where we are all connected by the internet it could be that there is less pessimism. Product of their environment and technology.
it is not our fault our parents raised us like babies who are so confused we need laws to know which bathroom to use or require a "safe" place on campus to cry.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
Only 42 percent support capitalism, and yet only 27% support government intervention in the economy. Yet over 70% support legalizing marijuana.
Are we sure that's any different than the population at large? Maybe not with the negative views of capitalism, but we saw polls all the time where the results seem to contradict each other. That isn't unique to millennials.
I think the fact that they grew up with social media influences so much of this. They know what their peers think about EVERYTHING, which has both positive and negative consequences. When you talk to millennials, they don't get much of the inherent bigotry in our society, whether it is targeted at minorities, LGBT, or whoever. On the flip side, the preoccupation with social media and connected devices in general gives them less of an attention span. We need to take the good with the bad, every generation has them.
Looks like an upcoming generation will once again learn the Â
that actually claimed that Venezuela's problems were a result of electrification not being able to keep pace with robust economic growth. Pravda couldn't have hammered that square peg into a round hole any better.
it is not our fault our parents raised us like babies who are so confused we need laws to know which bathroom to use or require a "safe" place on campus to cry.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
it seems like they all say the sky is falling, these kids are so dumb, I fear for when they will be leading us, they don't know where equatorial new guinea is on a map or who the VP is (based on sound bytes and selective interviews), they have no work ethic and they're lazy, (back in my day...), they don't have respect, etc. and then the complainers get old, complain more, and then die, rinse and repeat.
but millenials seem more aware of how things in 2016 than boomers are, and it's not even close to be frank.
Millenials have also felt the sting of unchecked capitalism since so many graduated from college in debt and couldn't find jobs because of the financial crisis, so it makes sense that they might prefer a European style safety net.
Only 42 percent support capitalism, and yet only 27% support government intervention in the economy. Yet over 70% support legalizing marijuana.
Which makes me think many of them are still too busy smoking weed and playing video games.
But have faith, they will grow up and act like adults eventually.
Right?
I guess it depends what your definition of growing up means. Look at the current presidential election cycle. Of the four most serious remaining candidates, you have one candidate who isn't a politician (Trump), one candidate who considers himself anti-establishment (Cruz), and one candidate who is a Democratic Socialist who rejects free-reign capitalism (Sanders). The remaining candidate, the only establishment politician, is labeled as dishonest and untrustworthy.
So it's really not a surprise that Millenials are rejecting free-reign capitalism and don't trust the government. And I don't expect that to change.
once they get jobs, get married, have kids, buy a house, etc..it might take a little longer to get established now than it did previously. "40 is the new 30" has so merit to it as people get married older, have kids older, and live longer.
like it does with every other generation.
college-aged people are not the best gauge of a generation in case that wasn't obvious.
This is always funny. The world changes, generations change with it, Â
but old people freak out that we're not pushing a hoop with a stick. Of course the Millenials are going to act differently, and hold different attitudes, than previous generations.
By the way, since Millenials are actually starting to save, you better fucking pray they will be willing to fund SS and Medicare in the future; you know, the only things preventing millions of Americans with severe health issues and no private retirement savings from misery?
The funny thing is the cohort coming after the millennials in my experience are the true disrupters. Meeting more and more self-driven people i would call kids doing very entrepreneurial things and not feeling the need for "higher education" with the entire world at their finger tips. Maybe this isn't the norm, but if more followed this way of thinking millennials will be left in the dust with everyone else.
Oh good, our social security checks are here. And Honey, we need to visit Dr. Johnson tomorrow for your boner bills. Does Medicare cover lube? I am drier than the Sahara down there. God bless Medicare. Oh would you look at that? I’m watching my programs and some young rapscallion politician on the television is talking about raising our taxes. Disgusting. Oh and that ISIS! We’ve got to blow them to kingdom come. Thank God for our massive ass-kicking military.
Honey? The lube?”
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You are what you do, not what you say. Character is built through struggle. Not without its problems, I see remarkable promise in generation Millennial, unfortunately in part checked by circumstances they did not create. The generations ahead of them are still largely in charge and should be serious about fostering the systemic changes needed to ensure our continued prosperity. They've fucked up a lot, but chief is this acceptance of living like a big gov't country while being taxed as a small one. Debt has hitherto bridged the gap, but eventually something's gotta give.
And only 70% support legalization?? I submit that the other 30% were too stoned to respond to the poll, giggling and reaching for more Cheetos. On that issue at least, they get it.
They've fucked up a lot, but chief is this acceptance of living like a big gov't country while being taxed as a small one. Debt has hitherto bridged the gap, but eventually something's gotta give.
Combining a response to both you and Metnut:
"As opposed to Europeans who accept being taxed like a big gov't country but expect benefits like an even BIGGER government country. Eventually something's got to give."
The problem is the millennials have already learned Â
the pitfalls of crony/corrupted capitalism, an idealized, perceived fairer state of things looks pretty tempting. I can't blame the millions of millennials who have had a markedly different life than mine up to this point.
once they get jobs, get married, have kids, buy a house, etc..it might take a little longer to get established now than it did previously. "40 is the new 30" has so merit to it as people get married older, have kids older, and live longer.
like it does with every other generation.
college-aged people are not the best gauge of a generation in case that wasn't obvious.
Well, the problem is they are having trouble getting the jobs you spoke of. After incurring decades of student loan debt, those degrees aren't getting them the jobs they thought their hard work would reward them with. I don't see how an eventual job and a family are going to turn those people into lovers of unchecked capitalism.
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They've fucked up a lot, but chief is this acceptance of living like a big gov't country while being taxed as a small one. Debt has hitherto bridged the gap, but eventually something's gotta give.
Combining a response to both you and Metnut:
"As opposed to Europeans who accept being taxed like a big gov't country but expect benefits like an even BIGGER government country. Eventually something's got to give."
To build a little on Overseer's point, which contains a lot of truth, one of the more pernicious fallacies of the last forty or so years was this notion that if you cut the government's revenue that it would reduce its spending accordingly (or rather, if you limited the growth of its revenue, it would limit the growth of its spending). This is the Grover Norquist drown it in a bathtub theory, and the end result has been that the appetite for tax cuts or loopholes or credits has been almost insatiable but the willingness to meaningfully impact spending has been almost nonexistent.
My biggest concern for them, and my own children... Â
is that the education system has failed to prepare them for any practical, real world application.
The one size fits all model of education, as well as a goal of passing a test rather than real world learning and application is beginning to rear it's ugly head.
What happened to them was a failed political experiment.... Â
Are the natural reaction to taking the social progress since the 60s to where mlk wanted to take things. Social justice and economic justice. "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land and don't criticize what you can't understand. Your sons and daughters are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly fading. Please get out if the new one if you can't understand. For the times they are a changing."
Our one hope to save the world from climate disaster that the last generation threatens life with.
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And face it, that's most of their cognizant lives. Let them pay $6.50 per gallon for gas and force them to drive a Lada for 6 months and capitalism will make a rebound.
Either that or an improving economy.
Have you ever driven a Lada? Don't knock it til you try it.
Millennial here, I was born in 1987 so yes I have to sit through all your stories about Mark Bavaro and Lawrence Taylor, which is fine, but you guys gotta give it a rest ;-)
Anyway, I’ve heard every dumb “kids these days” connection to my generation. Some of it is true and some of it isn’t. Both my parents preached education and college to me but they didn’t have it themselves. It was fine because they at first seemed like they wanted me to have the life they didn’t have or whatever. Little by little it seemed as if they wanted to live vicariously through me and they wanted me to go to college just so they can see the experience they wanted through me, which was weird.
Either way, I own land and i’m graduating college in 4 days…woohoo?
By the way, if we had all of this technology back in the 80s or whatever it would be the same thing. I mean c’mon , even 20 year olds from my classes who I’m friends with on Facebook that were born in 1995 post statuses how they grew up in a “world without technology and sunsets” bull shit. Technology is always growing and it was always there, you just didn’t have anything to compare it to, like today.
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They've fucked up a lot, but chief is this acceptance of living like a big gov't country while being taxed as a small one. Debt has hitherto bridged the gap, but eventually something's gotta give.
Combining a response to both you and Metnut:
"As opposed to Europeans who accept being taxed like a big gov't country but expect benefits like an even BIGGER government country. Eventually something's got to give."
To build a little on Overseer's point, which contains a lot of truth, one of the more pernicious fallacies of the last forty or so years was this notion that if you cut the government's revenue that it would reduce its spending accordingly (or rather, if you limited the growth of its revenue, it would limit the growth of its spending). This is the Grover Norquist drown it in a bathtub theory, and the end result has been that the appetite for tax cuts or loopholes or credits has been almost insatiable but the willingness to meaningfully impact spending has been almost nonexistent.
what I think this generation knows that apparently the last one doesn't,is that certain spending is great for the economy and certain spending isn't. For example a massive investment in infrastructure would be the best way to cut down the debt as well as add new jobs. But I think what pissestbis generation of the most is the blatant crony capitalism, the third world level inequality and rampant corporate welfare that pervades our elections and our economy. Our founding fathers would vomit if they saw much of what this country has done. An it's the right and the left. Both political parties are dead going forward and frankly this is the best news this country could have. It's time for another new deal.
Its a polite way of saying everybody has a voice at age twenty, but not at age forty. The drop-outs and do-nothings will lose their social status and relevance as expected. And those millenials that remain relevant at age forty will - by socioeconomic selection - not be any different from their predecessors.
Nothing to worry about really. More competition for key positions of influence will likely make the world better than we can imagine.
it is not our fault our parents raised us like babies who are so confused we need laws to know which bathroom to use or require a "safe" place on campus to cry.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
protesting a war is having your head in your ass? Thank god for Millennials who will destroy that mindset which is more Soviet then American.
piece, it's a bit confusing to get a consistent philosophy since they also reject socialism. I think the word capitalism in some circles has been effectively branded by the left as synonymous with fat cats on wall street making billions betting against the housing market.
millenials developed the sharing/caring economy which is certainly aligned with capitalism, although disruptive of mainy traditional capitalist industries. airbnb, uber, lyft etc are all aligned with a free market ideology, whereas the left fights against these technologies with bans or crippling regulations. organizations like toms quoted in the article that have a significant corporate social responsibility bent are also popular with millenials. and policies of many private sector companies are being redesigned with the millenials in mind - no dress codes, unlimited vacation time, no offices (CEOs sit side by side with snot nosed college interns), lots of "open meeting space" and places to have fun.
RE: RE: RE: ''This upcoming generation had better learn Â
To build a little on Overseer's point, which contains a lot of truth, one of the more pernicious fallacies of the last forty or so years was this notion that if you cut the government's revenue that it would reduce its spending accordingly (or rather, if you limited the growth of its revenue, it would limit the growth of its spending). This is the Grover Norquist drown it in a bathtub theory, and the end result has been that the appetite for tax cuts or loopholes or credits has been almost insatiable but the willingness to meaningfully impact spending has been almost nonexistent.
Good post. Cutting taxes without having planned for how spending cuts are going to be made is terrible policy. Sadly, for the residents of Kansas, they are learning this the hard way right now.
RE: Blaming the millenials for all the world's woes is silly... Â
once they get jobs, get married, have kids, buy a house, etc..it might take a little longer to get established now than it did previously. "40 is the new 30" has so merit to it as people get married older, have kids older, and live longer.
like it does with every other generation.
college-aged people are not the best gauge of a generation in case that wasn't obvious.
Well, the problem is they are having trouble getting the jobs you spoke of. After incurring decades of student loan debt, those degrees aren't getting them the jobs they thought their hard work would reward them with. I don't see how an eventual job and a family are going to turn those people into lovers of unchecked capitalism.
I graduated college in a recession. I was a substitute teacher and worked at Stop and Shop warehouse loading trucks.
I think I know how they feel. It didn't last long and eventually I got a job in a professional field, but at that age you feel like you are going to change the world, there is a higher purpose, stuff you're "meant to do", your possessions possess you, there's a bigger purpose to life than materialism, etc. but the world beats you down and whips you into shape when your parents stop paying your rent, your food, your cell phone bill, your car insurance, your medical, etc....
it happens with every generation.
marriage, houses and kids, just make sure life beats whatever remaining utopian ideas are beaten out of you because now you have other people relying on you.
Most people rise up and grow up and accept the responsibility.
it's how society works.
I don't see how the people who are worse off than their parents were Â
At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
most don't know who won the civil war or who the vice president is Â
At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
Technology has made it that hard work doesn't always pay off Â
And that those with money and power can extract and wring out every last drop of money they can with less work then before. The smartest and brightest go to wall street instead of medical school or NASA etc...
So the concept of capitalism has changed. It doesn't mean work hard, compete, find your niche. It means greed that gives nothing back.
piece, it's a bit confusing to get a consistent philosophy since they also reject socialism. I think the word capitalism in some circles has been effectively branded by the left as synonymous with fat cats on wall street making billions betting against the housing market.
millenials developed the sharing/caring economy which is certainly aligned with capitalism, although disruptive of mainy traditional capitalist industries. airbnb, uber, lyft etc are all aligned with a free market ideology, whereas the left fights against these technologies with bans or crippling regulations. organizations like toms quoted in the article that have a significant corporate social responsibility bent are also popular with millenials. and policies of many private sector companies are being redesigned with the millenials in mind - no dress codes, unlimited vacation time, no offices (CEOs sit side by side with snot nosed college interns), lots of "open meeting space" and places to have fun.
this is a hysterical post. There are various forms of capitalism. There is the neo liberal version which is a fake philosophy to help the ultra rich stay rich. Then there is state capitalism or what the right calls socialism. The latter is my preference.
It is also false these ideas are unique to Millennials. Majority of Americans have thought the system corrupt for decades. Hence why most don't bother to vote are our voting turnout is embarrassing. There are third world countries out there who could give us a real lesson on democracy.
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At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
I'm not arguing against capitalism. I'm arguing that the effects of what has happened recently and in this generation mean that their viewpoint is markedly different than the historical norm.
RE: RE: RE: I don't see how the people who are worse off than their parents were Â
At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
I'm not arguing against capitalism. I'm arguing that the effects of what has happened recently and in this generation mean that their viewpoint is markedly different than the historical norm.
europe is way better off then the United States in every measurable level. Pointing to Greece is like saying capitalism failed be cause Alabama is poor. There is a simple solution. State capitalism.
RE: RE: I don't see how the people who are worse off than their parents were Â
At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not sure that millenials are really supporting the type of wide scale tax fraud that occurred in Greece, or the type of wide-scale corruption and theft that occurs daily via the government in Venezuala.
I think millenials might prefer the type of capitalism/socialism blend that's led to relative prosperity (for more than just the wealthy citizens) in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, New Zealand Finland etc. None of these countries are perfect, and the demographics and scale are a bit different than here, but are better examples than completely failed states like Greece/Venezuala.
There have been a number of recent articles on it, but Â
Sweden and other Nordic countries are much more "free market" than the US.
In some ways it certainly is. It also employs a ton of people in the public sector, has a generous social safety net, and labor federations have a stronger presence than unions in the U.S. which are declining in influence.
That's why socialism vs capitalism isn't really the right argument IMO. Pretty much every country has pieces of both. Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
I'll leave the last word to other. I feel like I'm getting political here, so am going to bow out.
it is not our fault our parents raised us like babies who are so confused we need laws to know which bathroom to use or require a "safe" place on campus to cry.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
Older generations have been getting annoyed at younger generations forever. Gen X was a bunch of slackers.
it is not our fault our parents raised us like babies who are so confused we need laws to know which bathroom to use or require a "safe" place on campus to cry.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
Older generations have been getting annoyed at younger generations forever. Gen X was a bunch of slackers.
Kids, I don't know what's wrong with these kids today
Kids, who can understand anything they say?
Kids, they are disobedient, disrespectful oafs
Noisy, crazy, sloppy, lazy, loafers
And while we're on the subject
Kids, you can talk and talk till your face is blue
Kids, but they still do just what they want to do
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
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Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
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Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
it's different. The income gap in Europe is not nearly as bad. Here the coptorste welfare recipients will begging paying sooner or later.
Sweden and other Nordic countries are much more "free market" than the US.
Don't you know that's propaganda?
At least that is what I am told when mention that?
it's just not simply true what he wrote. In the United States there is virtually no free market. What there is is a state controlled system that makes certain the ultra rich maintain that disparity. In America our government is merely a unification of elite interests. It's sort of like the nfl where 30 rich owners come together and grant authority to the commissioner. Sometimes and individual wealthy industries needs succumb to the will of the many. Free markets are a major myth in all this. In fact our economy would collapse in ten seconds if we ever say cut the military significantly. Our economy relies on military production and sales of arms to survive. Yet this is a fundamentally socialist enterprise. One where the rich are the welfare recipients. To think America is a capitalist country in the sense it's being used here is to completely misunderstand what you are talking about. Europe is flawed no doubt. But when it comes to the economy the people have Europe have been able to become a million times more democratic than the anti democratic us, and by doing so, they have imposed shaper restrictions on their oligarchs allowing s fairer distribution of wealth.
Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
Fair enough (re: VAT versus 1%), but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Millenials live closer to urban centers and drive a lot less than their parents, so I think they'd generally support higher gas taxes to support a stronger safety net, although millenials would likely be split on this one.
after all this time, people still don't know better than to engage Â
Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
Fair enough (re: VAT versus 1%), but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Millenials live closer to urban centers and drive a lot less than their parents, so I think they'd generally support higher gas taxes to support a stronger safety net, although millenials would likely be split on this one.
one the poster wrote your responding to is a complete misrepresentation. In large part they don't need to pay higher taxes because income is much more evenly distributed. In the us oligarchic system the poor can rot while the rich can buy elections and mansions. The older generations owe us an apology.
RE: after all this time, people still don't know better than to engage Â
you and kicker can go fuck your tight ass selves. Just because I can run circles around your brains and you can't argue on content doesn't give you the right to engage in ad hominem attacks. I have stayed on topic. You two have realized your not on the same level. Thus you respond with anger. That is you being a troll. All you have to do is either refute my points or take the latter.....which is to compare me to shit. That is the method of the defeated. That is the method of s loser. "Ah duh but America is great, if people criticize it their trolls. If I can't articulate a response I pound my chest and throw feces at them." Lol dumb simpletons.
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Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: There have been a number of recent articles on it, but Â
Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
they don't need to cause they don't have a slave economy.
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
piece, it's a bit confusing to get a consistent philosophy since they also reject socialism. I think the word capitalism in some circles has been effectively branded by the left as synonymous with fat cats on wall street making billions betting against the housing market.
millenials developed the sharing/caring economy which is certainly aligned with capitalism, although disruptive of mainy traditional capitalist industries. airbnb, uber, lyft etc are all aligned with a free market ideology, whereas the left fights against these technologies with bans or crippling regulations. organizations like toms quoted in the article that have a significant corporate social responsibility bent are also popular with millenials. and policies of many private sector companies are being redesigned with the millenials in mind - no dress codes, unlimited vacation time, no offices (CEOs sit side by side with snot nosed college interns), lots of "open meeting space" and places to have fun.
this is a hysterical post. There are various forms of capitalism. There is the neo liberal version which is a fake philosophy to help the ultra rich stay rich. Then there is state capitalism or what the right calls socialism. The latter is my preference.
"State capitalism" is deployed by countries like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, cuba, and China and previously USSR. If you prefer that system, by all means, emigrate. You may have trouble accessing BBI, but you will get a lovely framed photo of kim jong il, chairman mao, the Saudi princes or the castros for your 100 square ft apartment.
Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
they don't need to cause they don't have a slave economy.
If you hate this country so much why don't you get the fuck out of it?
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Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
they don't need to cause they don't have a slave economy.
If you hate this country so much why don't you get the fuck out of it?
funny you say that. Stalin used to say that to soviet dissidents.
Back to reality, I love this country. I simply want it to live up to its ideals which it is failing miserably at. Further, the country to me isn't a bunch of rich corporations who now dominate our society. It's striking miners and workers. It's protesters demanding gender equality. It's black lives matter demanding racial equality. It's occupy Wall Street fighting to tell banks to stop gambling with people's livelihoods and demanding we pay the bookie. It's soldiers forgotten when they come home and left to peddle for change in a wheelchair or struggling with pstd while laws ban marijuana to help treat them forcing them to rely on actual big pharmaceutical drugs. I don't worship leaders from Bernie to trump. I worship everyday people from all walks of life who are the backbone of this country and tired of having ten people own as much well as 150 million. People standing together. That's how we got rid of slavery. That's how we got same labor laws. That's how we got decent environmental protections. Always opposed by the intellectual class who tells stories about how we're really good and if we use violence it must be for the general good cause we represent the course of history. That's the job for propagandists for power and violence. It's the task of populations to free themselves from those doctrinal constraints.
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To read these posts here you would think the Millennial's are the first generation to come of age in a lousy economy, face an election with unsavory candidates or find out that a college degree in basketweaving would not get them a job. Younger baby boomers such as myself that came of age during the the lat Nixon-Ford and Carter administrations also faced a horrible economy. Even minimum wage jobs were scarce. I remember the local Burger King put you on a waiting list if you wanted to apply. I also remember that people with advanced degrees in things like sociology were working as waiters.
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
To read these posts here you would think the Millennial's are the first generation to come of age in a lousy economy, face an election with unsavory candidates or find out that a college degree in basketweaving would not get them a job. Younger baby boomers such as myself that came of age during the the lat Nixon-Ford and Carter administrations also faced a horrible economy. Even minimum wage jobs were scarce. I remember the local Burger King put you on a waiting list if you wanted to apply. I also remember that people with advanced degrees in things like sociology were working as waiters.
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
One urban myth I wish would go away, that Boomers universally had employers lined up offering them cushy jobs with unreal benefits and 6 weeks paid vacations. The situation varied over those years with both good and bad. And anyone who graduated from college between '74 and '76 and then between '79 and '82 experienced a job market very similar to today. The one area where it's worse today is the level of student loans. But that's not saying student loans were unheard of or rare back then.
Actually, the best job market I've seen was from '96 to '99, and the primary beneficiaries were Gen-ex.
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To read these posts here you would think the Millennial's are the first generation to come of age in a lousy economy, face an election with unsavory candidates or find out that a college degree in basketweaving would not get them a job. Younger baby boomers such as myself that came of age during the the lat Nixon-Ford and Carter administrations also faced a horrible economy. Even minimum wage jobs were scarce. I remember the local Burger King put you on a waiting list if you wanted to apply. I also remember that people with advanced degrees in things like sociology were working as waiters.
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
One urban myth I wish would go away, that Boomers universally had employers lined up offering them cushy jobs with unreal benefits and 6 weeks paid vacations. The situation varied over those years with both good and bad. And anyone who graduated from college between '74 and '76 and then between '79 and '82 experienced a job market very similar to today. The one area where it's worse today is the level of student loans. But that's not saying student loans were unheard of or rare back then.
Actually, the best job market I've seen was from '96 to '99, and the primary beneficiaries were Gen-ex.
I don't know that any Boomers got cushy jobs right out of school. If anything that is more true for Millennials than it is for Boomers. Top engineering and CS grads are courted like ballplayers. There's an article about it on Bloomberg today at http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/do-you-earn-less-than-a-silicon-valley-intern
Boomers never had such opportunities. When I was in school it was generally accepted that there were 3 ways to make good money.
1. Go to medical school
2. Go to law school
3. Get a job with a blue chip corporation
In all three cases it was a given that you would spend many years busting your ass before you started making real money. Nowadays, and I've seen this in my own family a bright kid may make a higher salary in his/her first year of employment than their parents ever did.
I loathe the von Mises Institute, as they are no better (usually) than a bunch of quacks, but if they endorse something as free market, it must really be free market.
Kids, I don't know what's wrong with these kids today
Kids, who can understand anything they say?
Kids, they are disobedient, disrespectful oafs
Noisy, crazy, sloppy, lazy, loafers
And while we're on the subject
Kids, you can talk and talk till your face is blue
Kids, but they still do just what they want to do
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
To read these posts here you would think the Millennial's are the first generation to come of age in a lousy economy, face an election with unsavory candidates or find out that a college degree in basketweaving would not get them a job. Younger baby boomers such as myself that came of age during the the lat Nixon-Ford and Carter administrations also faced a horrible economy. Even minimum wage jobs were scarce. I remember the local Burger King put you on a waiting list if you wanted to apply. I also remember that people with advanced degrees in things like sociology were working as waiters.
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
hard to imagine someone more delusional. Wage decline has gone on steadily since the late 1970s and was no accident. So even if you grew up in a tough economy it's simple false to compare it to today. Educate yourself a little. You also the costs of college, the relative impotence of it, the loss of manufacturing jobs, etc.
So few of the ones I speak to seem interested in starting businesses and creating jobs. They want someone else to do that. And they want free health care, free college tuition, and a $15/hr minimum wage, so that one can stop acquiring new skills by the age of 14 and still be able to live independently.
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My sons are millennials, and I couldn't be more proud of them. Paying their own way through college, learning about sales by taking risks on commission-only jobs. There are plenty of millennials that have great attitudes and are on the right track toward success.
We are living in the modern-day equivalent of the gold-rush, and those who figure things out are going to make absolute fortunes.
But I'm a teacher as well as a parent, and I can tell you I have had many, many lengthy discussions with millennials about their views. I stand by my observation - many more are interested in economic fairness than they are in economic freedom, and they fail to understand how capitalism works.
Then again, so do many of their parents.
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Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
they don't need to cause they don't have a slave economy.
If you hate this country so much why don't you get the fuck out of it?
funny you say that. Stalin used to say that to soviet dissidents.
Back to reality, I love this country. I simply want it to live up to its ideals which it is failing miserably at. Further, the country to me isn't a bunch of rich corporations who now dominate our society. It's striking miners and workers. It's protesters demanding gender equality. It's black lives matter demanding racial equality. It's occupy Wall Street fighting to tell banks to stop gambling with people's livelihoods and demanding we pay the bookie. It's soldiers forgotten when they come home and left to peddle for change in a wheelchair or struggling with pstd while laws ban marijuana to help treat them forcing them to rely on actual big pharmaceutical drugs. I don't worship leaders from Bernie to trump. I worship everyday people from all walks of life who are the backbone of this country and tired of having ten people own as much well as 150 million. People standing together. That's how we got rid of slavery. That's how we got same labor laws. That's how we got decent environmental protections. Always opposed by the intellectual class who tells stories about how we're really good and if we use violence it must be for the general good cause we represent the course of history. That's the job for propagandists for power and violence. It's the task of populations to free themselves from those doctrinal constraints.
If a large constituency of people believe the system to be rigged and broken - and, there are many examples of this over the last 15 years - then how is one to go about achieving this?
Economic fairness vs. economic freedom crunches it all down to a simplistic sound bite and hints at a lack of ownership and accountability over one's life. I just don't think it's that simple. I think it glosses over large, systemic problems which prevent people from achieving what you see as so easy. It's not.
Are you referring to income equality as fairness? If the market doesn't determine whats fair, then who does, and why?
BTW, what ever happened to Occupy Wall Street? Some of the concerns were valid, but much of it was a media event, and it seems that when the media lost interest, so did the people who were affected. That never happened with prior movements - they had staying power. Not sure if its a reflection of millenials, but I suspect some of it is...
John Della Volpe, the polling director at Harvard, went on to personally interview a small group of young people about their attitudes toward capitalism to try to learn more. They told him that capitalism was unfair and left people out despite their hard work.
In my conversations I hear a lot of concern about the system being unfair. This is a major concern for them.
I hear a lot of comments about how things aren't working right in Washington based on how many people don't have jobs and/or don't have good paying jobs.
I don't hear a lot of concern about how difficult it is to start a new business. I don't hear a lot of concern about how difficult it is to make payroll. They aren't frustrated because they want to start their own businesses and find barriers to entry in the marketplace.
Yes - I'm generalizing both about Millennials as a group and also about the freedom/fairness concerns. But what I've written is a true generalization.
Only 42 percent support capitalism, and yet only 27% support government intervention in the economy. Yet over 70% support legalizing marijuana.
Which makes me think many of them are still too busy smoking weed and playing video games.
But have faith, they will grow up and act like adults eventually.
Right?
Millenials are pretty mature if you ask me. Yes they are a bit too PC at times and maybe a bit overly sensitive and the whole pussification of America thing, I have railed against them on here as much as anyone but really, we probably need more sensitivity in this world don't you think? We've been butchering the planet and human race for 50,000 years now. Change is a good thing. And millenials are much more mature at their young age then we all were at the same age. I assure you that.
the reason why the world is so fucked up isn't due to this latest generation. Hopefully they can help unfuck things. They do seem eager.
I couldn't agree more. Millennials are simply dealing with the world they inherited with the skills and values they were given in their youth.
I just find it interesting that so many Millennials seem to be worried that our system is unfair to hard workers than they are concerned about barriers to their own success. Is it due to the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset they were raised in?
I'm a gen-xer, and I've known plenty of people who are lured into socialist thinking, from all generations. The teaching profession is loaded up with people with socialist viewpoints on many issues. It's not really a surprise that there are socialists and anti-capitalists.
What is curious to me is the large number of anti-capitalists pro-socialist Millennials.
For years I've thought the death of the small business would be at the hands of the large corporate lobbyists. I now believe that it is more likely to be at the hands of the Millennials.
less war and violence than ever. Tons of economic opportunity. And I discount the glum projections of growth.
Agreed. The Economist had an interesting article outlining how poverty is being eradicated around the world, which is an important first step in solving things like world peace. Want to talk about income inequality and fairness in outcomes?
I am curious to know what the millenial's perception of fairness is. Working hard and being left behind is unfair? What about succeeding based on priviledge? Or never having an opportunity to work hard to begin with?
No one can argue that things are fair, but why does anyone think fairness is human right? Disease is essentially unfair and people argue for a right to health care, not for a right to good health.
Are expectations too ideal because everyone got a trophy?
The world is a better place now than in the past, and the Millennials are more mature than we Boomers were at the same age. In the 60's and 70's there was real poverty in much of America and up to a third of the world suffered from hunger. Poor people in America went hungry and lived in deplorable conditions. The housing conditions in America's worst slums were unspeakable to what you see today. As for the rest of the world there was mass hunger in India, China and Africa.
Nowadays there may be some rural pockets in America that I'm not aware of where people go hungry, but in America's cities, people have enough to eat and live decently. They may be reliant on food stamps, food banks and live in overcrowded conditions but they don't live in what would have been considered poverty in the 60's. Poor people in America weigh more than rich people. As for the rest of the world India's problems now are pollution, overcrowding and poor healthcare. Bad, but in the past it was hunger, basic sanitation and infant mortality. I know less about China but things have similarly improved there. Even large parts of Africa are developing a middle class. Today we face the threat of terror. As bad as that is its better than facing the threat of nuclear war with the Soviet Union.
As for Millennials I can't prove scentifically that they are more mature, but those are my informal observations. Within my family the millennial generation is much more mature and focused than we were at a similar age. I recently went to a birthday party in Vegas that a friend was throwing for her 21 year old son. About 20 of his friends were invited. Like all 20 somethings of any generation, I though they drank too much, but other than that they acted like adults.
The world is a better place now than in the past, and the Millennials are more mature than we Boomers were at the same age. In the 60's and 70's there was real poverty in much of America and up to a third of the world suffered from hunger. Poor people in America went hungry and lived in deplorable conditions. The housing conditions in America's worst slums were unspeakable to what you see today. As for the rest of the world there was mass hunger in India, China and Africa.
Nowadays there may be some rural pockets in America that I'm not aware of where people go hungry, but in America's cities, people have enough to eat and live decently. They may be reliant on food stamps, food banks and live in overcrowded conditions but they don't live in what would have been considered poverty in the 60's. Poor people in America weigh more than rich people. As for the rest of the world India's problems now are pollution, overcrowding and poor healthcare. Bad, but in the past it was hunger, basic sanitation and infant mortality. I know less about China but things have similarly improved there. Even large parts of Africa are developing a middle class. Today we face the threat of terror. As bad as that is its better than facing the threat of nuclear war with the Soviet Union.
As for Millennials I can't prove scentifically that they are more mature, but those are my informal observations. Within my family the millennial generation is much more mature and focused than we were at a similar age. I recently went to a birthday party in Vegas that a friend was throwing for her 21 year old son. About 20 of his friends were invited. Like all 20 somethings of any generation, I though they drank too much, but other than that they acted like adults.
completely wrong. For starters you forgot to mention the earth is on its last legs from complete destroyal from climate change:
I don't disagree with your goals, any of your idealism and many of your critiques in general ( that said precision and nuance matter) but if you really wish to make a difference then tone may be better in a less certain, moral high horse, questioning and educational spirit laced with grace to others?
And on some items and topics the fact base is so far off that I for one wind up rejecting the conclusion because the foundation is just flat out wrong and lazy wrong ( not picking on dates or factoids or minutia which demonstrates zilch about subject mastery right or wrong).
glad you have big goals. Now may be the time to work on building effectiveness to match.
Or don't. But then don't wonder why you get dismissed and no one listens.
The health care system is a mess but overall diet and health technology is much better than even a few decades ago.
So is gender, racial and minority awareness.
So is progress towards labeling and offering options for victims of domestic violence.
So is product safety and work safety. ( even in the seventies no seat belts, glass windows, hard steering wheels and sharp edged dashboards made for horrific loss of life on the roads).
so too is the spread of different ways to speak truth to power and injustice.
That all said, labeling any of these generations is so filled with a range of lifestyles and stories and perspectives the generalities don't tell us much. I think the labels are for ad agencies not sociologically useful insights
And I like to agree with most of it, the expected lifespan of middle and lower class US white males is declining for the first time in many years, maybe ever.
No ones blaming millenials - narcotic abuse is the suspected cause - but this is the adult world they are entering and they may see it differently than prior generations.
The nation's perspective, enlightened attitude and the support for addiction and mental disease in general has improved by leaps and bounds ( note how many now half full or abandoned " mental hospitals" dote the landscape) but it's also true that the number of ways and excuses to fall shorter of one's potential has grown ( although that trend grows on the farmland of unbelievable levels of instant gratification consumerism and less opportunity offered by our hallowed out economy for young people)
My sons are millennials, and I couldn't be more proud of them. Paying their own way through college, learning about sales by taking risks on commission-only jobs. There are plenty of millennials that have great attitudes and are on the right track toward success.
We are living in the modern-day equivalent of the gold-rush, and those who figure things out are going to make absolute fortunes.
I believe we (us millennials) don't care about trivial shit. Stuff that my parents would complain about, don't seem to matter to us. Can't really think of any of examples right now. Brain is fried from 'Theories of Mass Communication" final exam!
I believe we (us millennials) don't care about trivial shit. Stuff that my parents would complain about, don't seem to matter to us. Can't really think of any of examples right now. Brain is fried from 'Theories of Mass Communication" final exam!
If you don't care about trivial shit, please explain about 75% of Facebook and half of Twitter.
I believe we (us millennials) don't care about trivial shit. Stuff that my parents would complain about, don't seem to matter to us. Can't really think of any of examples right now. Brain is fried from 'Theories of Mass Communication" final exam!
If you don't care about trivial shit, please explain about 75% of Facebook and half of Twitter.
My facebook feed is primarily boomers posting political memes, targeted quasi-ad content, and millenial/gen x tweener women posting baby pictures. To be fair, there's a very good chance that this is just a reflection of me being lame.
It would be the same thing or comparatively bad "back then" if Twitter and Facebook existed. I'm sure people have always had opinions on subjects, complained/reacted about a current event and there have always been weirdos.
75%? of what I see? or what you see? I don't know. The stuff people post on my Facebook feed are what I post about on here mostly. Sports. Maybe a Bernie Sanders post will slip in here and there.
I'm talking about mistakes/errors slippages that would've gotten you a 15-20 minute lecture from parents or other adults as a kid, but among peers I catch myself apologizing for something (that meant something to an extent to my parents) but it surely doesn't have the same consequence or shade of meaning to people around the same age as myself. Meaning, what your generation or another generation sees as rude and disrespectful, would be no big issue to us.
I think most of the younger millenials see facebook as something their parents post on and primarily use snapchat, instagram and twitter (to a lesser extent) for social media.
I think most of the younger millenials see facebook as something their parents post on and primarily use snapchat, instagram and twitter (to a lesser extent) for social media.
Facebook is to remember names, birthdays, and post big events. All my friends and people younger than me (29) use instagram, twitter, whatsapp, snapchat, etc... I'm a dinosaur in that I have no need for snapchat or instagram.
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Patrick. My younger sisters all use this and I've been unable to comprehend why I need this app when group texting seems to accomplish the exact same thing.
I think most of the younger millenials see facebook as something their parents post on and primarily use snapchat, instagram and twitter (to a lesser extent) for social media.
And there's no trivial shit on snapchat, instagram and twitter?
Patrick. My younger sisters all use this and I've been unable to comprehend why I need this app when group texting seems to accomplish the exact same thing.
Agreed. I don't get it. I will use it, Viber, or Skype when I am overseas and using only wifi but as far as using it when I am home or even traveling anywhere in NA I don't get it at all. The only time I see a use for it is when I want to communicate with others and it will cost me to use other modes of communication.
I think most of the younger millenials see facebook as something their parents post on and primarily use snapchat, instagram and twitter (to a lesser extent) for social media.
And there's no trivial shit on snapchat, instagram and twitter?
There's tons. You wouldn't believe the amount of 40+ year olds that think face-swapping via snapchat is hilarious, just like their 8 year old kids.
Other generations utilize these items and are no better from my experience.
It's obvious technology has evolved. In older parts of my college that were built in 1960-whatever, the classrooms have no more than one student serviceable power outlet in the most inconvenient locations. In the more modern parts of the campus there are 4 easily accessible outlets per room, and even charging stations with 8-10 available UBS ports ready for charge!
It's obvious technology has evolved. In older parts of my college that were built in 1960-whatever, the classrooms have no more than one student serviceable power outlet in the most inconvenient locations. In the more modern parts of the campus there are 4 easily accessible outlets per room, and even charging stations with 8-10 available UBS ports ready for charge!
Sitting in those 1960-whatever buildings in the 1970's we took notes in notebooks using pens.
Honest question. Are the charging stations in those classrooms used for devices that a) allow you to take the equivalent of notes, b) use snapchat/twitter or the most recent equivalent or c) (my guess) a little of both?
Sure, back then some did take notes and some didn't. Some students got good grades and the others were average, or bad. Didn't students used to send notes around the room before text messaging or draw pictures of Darth Vader or The Jetsons to pass the time? I used a laptop to take my notes, which is dumb of me because guess what? You can just take out your phone, snap! and you have it. Or if you miss a class, you can receive them e-mail or text message from a buddy instead of copying them.
Professors state on their syllabus that laptops are allowed but no web browsing, I think they know that is going to happen anyway but it looks like every standard syllabus was typed by the exact same person. I think a boring class is a boring class, whether it was taught in 1976 or 2016 by a boring professor.
To answer your question, I guess those charging stations are predominantly for school work purposes. Then again, I do see professors and administration people playing phone games all the time. Like my parents once said "There is a time and a place" or something. Then again, all my colleges gave a fuck about was getting your money.
It's obvious technology has evolved. In older parts of my college that were built in 1960-whatever, the classrooms have no more than one student serviceable power outlet in the most inconvenient locations. In the more modern parts of the campus there are 4 easily accessible outlets per room, and even charging stations with 8-10 available UBS ports ready for charge!
Sitting in those 1960-whatever buildings in the 1970's we took notes in notebooks using pens.
Honest question. Are the charging stations in those classrooms used for devices that a) allow you to take the equivalent of notes, b) use snapchat/twitter or the most recent equivalent or c) (my guess) a little of both?
Back in my day there was no outlet for my device which was known as a slide rule.
Sure, back then some did take notes and some didn't. Some students got good grades and the others were average, or bad. Didn't students used to send notes around the room before text messaging or draw pictures of Darth Vader or The Jetsons to pass the time?
Not where I went to school, although when the professor in the "Biology for Econ Majors" class I took to cover required hours in a science course began his legendary "Effects of Alcohol on Human Physiology" lecture the sound of beer cans being opened echoed throughout the room. I hasten to add the legal age for drinking was 18 at the time.
Never thought I would go to college and eventually teach at one.
Every instructor lets you know, intentionally or not, after the first assignment and how they grades it, what they want and expect. Usually the exact opposite of what the syllabus outlines.
Was my experience although I started later than most.
Millennial's views on capitalism - ( New Window )
Nah, I'm just kidding. We can legitimately dump on millennials for certain things... they're too sensitive, they have no attention span, etc. But buy and large these are the new problems of age vs. youth, and they tend to moderate as the youth get older.
Things will work themselves out. Things tend to do just that. And if they don't... it's not because of millennials, it's because of humanity. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Which makes me think many of them are still too busy smoking weed and playing video games.
But have faith, they will grow up and act like adults eventually.
Right?
It's a new ballgame our there.
http://www.itbusiness.ca/news/canadian-tires-400-million-drive-to-shift-gears-as-a-clicks-and-bricks-retailer/69212
Which makes me think many of them are still too busy smoking weed and playing video games.
But have faith, they will grow up and act like adults eventually.
Right?
That's the theory. We're so screwed if they don't...
Either that or an improving economy.
But that of course assumes they are able to find good paying jobs for the long term, no sure thing anymore
Then they can consider that while their smartphone was manufactured in China it was developed in the US. And they're not telling all their friends about it on Facebookski which can't reach their new friends in Cuba.
Which makes me think many of them are still too busy smoking weed and playing video games.
But have faith, they will grow up and act like adults eventually.
Right?
Act like adults? You mean like how the older generations have spent the last few decades demanding lower taxes and higher government benefits?
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
Are we sure that's any different than the population at large? Maybe not with the negative views of capitalism, but we saw polls all the time where the results seem to contradict each other. That isn't unique to millennials.
I think the fact that they grew up with social media influences so much of this. They know what their peers think about EVERYTHING, which has both positive and negative consequences. When you talk to millennials, they don't get much of the inherent bigotry in our society, whether it is targeted at minorities, LGBT, or whoever. On the flip side, the preoccupation with social media and connected devices in general gives them less of an attention span. We need to take the good with the bad, every generation has them.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
Actually, the hippies just sucked.
it seems like they all say the sky is falling, these kids are so dumb, I fear for when they will be leading us, they don't know where equatorial new guinea is on a map or who the VP is (based on sound bytes and selective interviews), they have no work ethic and they're lazy, (back in my day...), they don't have respect, etc. and then the complainers get old, complain more, and then die, rinse and repeat.
Millenials have also felt the sting of unchecked capitalism since so many graduated from college in debt and couldn't find jobs because of the financial crisis, so it makes sense that they might prefer a European style safety net.
Which makes me think many of them are still too busy smoking weed and playing video games.
But have faith, they will grow up and act like adults eventually.
Right?
I guess it depends what your definition of growing up means. Look at the current presidential election cycle. Of the four most serious remaining candidates, you have one candidate who isn't a politician (Trump), one candidate who considers himself anti-establishment (Cruz), and one candidate who is a Democratic Socialist who rejects free-reign capitalism (Sanders). The remaining candidate, the only establishment politician, is labeled as dishonest and untrustworthy.
So it's really not a surprise that Millenials are rejecting free-reign capitalism and don't trust the government. And I don't expect that to change.
like it does with every other generation.
college-aged people are not the best gauge of a generation in case that wasn't obvious.
By the way, since Millenials are actually starting to save, you better fucking pray they will be willing to fund SS and Medicare in the future; you know, the only things preventing millions of Americans with severe health issues and no private retirement savings from misery?
Oh good, our social security checks are here. And Honey, we need to visit Dr. Johnson tomorrow for your boner bills. Does Medicare cover lube? I am drier than the Sahara down there. God bless Medicare. Oh would you look at that? I’m watching my programs and some young rapscallion politician on the television is talking about raising our taxes. Disgusting. Oh and that ISIS! We’ve got to blow them to kingdom come. Thank God for our massive ass-kicking military.
Honey? The lube?”
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You are what you do, not what you say. Character is built through struggle. Not without its problems, I see remarkable promise in generation Millennial, unfortunately in part checked by circumstances they did not create. The generations ahead of them are still largely in charge and should be serious about fostering the systemic changes needed to ensure our continued prosperity. They've fucked up a lot, but chief is this acceptance of living like a big gov't country while being taxed as a small one. Debt has hitherto bridged the gap, but eventually something's gotta give.
And only 70% support legalization?? I submit that the other 30% were too stoned to respond to the poll, giggling and reaching for more Cheetos. On that issue at least, they get it.
Combining a response to both you and Metnut:
"As opposed to Europeans who accept being taxed like a big gov't country but expect benefits like an even BIGGER government country. Eventually something's got to give."
like it does with every other generation.
college-aged people are not the best gauge of a generation in case that wasn't obvious.
Well, the problem is they are having trouble getting the jobs you spoke of. After incurring decades of student loan debt, those degrees aren't getting them the jobs they thought their hard work would reward them with. I don't see how an eventual job and a family are going to turn those people into lovers of unchecked capitalism.
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They've fucked up a lot, but chief is this acceptance of living like a big gov't country while being taxed as a small one. Debt has hitherto bridged the gap, but eventually something's gotta give.
Combining a response to both you and Metnut:
"As opposed to Europeans who accept being taxed like a big gov't country but expect benefits like an even BIGGER government country. Eventually something's got to give."
To build a little on Overseer's point, which contains a lot of truth, one of the more pernicious fallacies of the last forty or so years was this notion that if you cut the government's revenue that it would reduce its spending accordingly (or rather, if you limited the growth of its revenue, it would limit the growth of its spending). This is the Grover Norquist drown it in a bathtub theory, and the end result has been that the appetite for tax cuts or loopholes or credits has been almost insatiable but the willingness to meaningfully impact spending has been almost nonexistent.
The one size fits all model of education, as well as a goal of passing a test rather than real world learning and application is beginning to rear it's ugly head.
Our one hope to save the world from climate disaster that the last generation threatens life with.
Either that or an improving economy.
Have you ever driven a Lada? Don't knock it til you try it.
Anyway, I’ve heard every dumb “kids these days” connection to my generation. Some of it is true and some of it isn’t. Both my parents preached education and college to me but they didn’t have it themselves. It was fine because they at first seemed like they wanted me to have the life they didn’t have or whatever. Little by little it seemed as if they wanted to live vicariously through me and they wanted me to go to college just so they can see the experience they wanted through me, which was weird.
Either way, I own land and i’m graduating college in 4 days…woohoo?
By the way, if we had all of this technology back in the 80s or whatever it would be the same thing. I mean c’mon , even 20 year olds from my classes who I’m friends with on Facebook that were born in 1995 post statuses how they grew up in a “world without technology and sunsets” bull shit. Technology is always growing and it was always there, you just didn’t have anything to compare it to, like today.
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They've fucked up a lot, but chief is this acceptance of living like a big gov't country while being taxed as a small one. Debt has hitherto bridged the gap, but eventually something's gotta give.
Combining a response to both you and Metnut:
"As opposed to Europeans who accept being taxed like a big gov't country but expect benefits like an even BIGGER government country. Eventually something's got to give."
To build a little on Overseer's point, which contains a lot of truth, one of the more pernicious fallacies of the last forty or so years was this notion that if you cut the government's revenue that it would reduce its spending accordingly (or rather, if you limited the growth of its revenue, it would limit the growth of its spending). This is the Grover Norquist drown it in a bathtub theory, and the end result has been that the appetite for tax cuts or loopholes or credits has been almost insatiable but the willingness to meaningfully impact spending has been almost nonexistent.
Nothing to worry about really. More competition for key positions of influence will likely make the world better than we can imagine.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
millenials developed the sharing/caring economy which is certainly aligned with capitalism, although disruptive of mainy traditional capitalist industries. airbnb, uber, lyft etc are all aligned with a free market ideology, whereas the left fights against these technologies with bans or crippling regulations. organizations like toms quoted in the article that have a significant corporate social responsibility bent are also popular with millenials. and policies of many private sector companies are being redesigned with the millenials in mind - no dress codes, unlimited vacation time, no offices (CEOs sit side by side with snot nosed college interns), lots of "open meeting space" and places to have fun.
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To build a little on Overseer's point, which contains a lot of truth, one of the more pernicious fallacies of the last forty or so years was this notion that if you cut the government's revenue that it would reduce its spending accordingly (or rather, if you limited the growth of its revenue, it would limit the growth of its spending). This is the Grover Norquist drown it in a bathtub theory, and the end result has been that the appetite for tax cuts or loopholes or credits has been almost insatiable but the willingness to meaningfully impact spending has been almost nonexistent.
Good post. Cutting taxes without having planned for how spending cuts are going to be made is terrible policy. Sadly, for the residents of Kansas, they are learning this the hard way right now.
^^This^^
An enlightening thing about the recent recession is that it has highlighted, and brought to the public's attention, the level at which this happens.
It's not that it hasn't happened in the past; it's that it's been glossed over, because of a noticeable lack of information.
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once they get jobs, get married, have kids, buy a house, etc..it might take a little longer to get established now than it did previously. "40 is the new 30" has so merit to it as people get married older, have kids older, and live longer.
like it does with every other generation.
college-aged people are not the best gauge of a generation in case that wasn't obvious.
Well, the problem is they are having trouble getting the jobs you spoke of. After incurring decades of student loan debt, those degrees aren't getting them the jobs they thought their hard work would reward them with. I don't see how an eventual job and a family are going to turn those people into lovers of unchecked capitalism.
I graduated college in a recession. I was a substitute teacher and worked at Stop and Shop warehouse loading trucks.
I think I know how they feel. It didn't last long and eventually I got a job in a professional field, but at that age you feel like you are going to change the world, there is a higher purpose, stuff you're "meant to do", your possessions possess you, there's a bigger purpose to life than materialism, etc. but the world beats you down and whips you into shape when your parents stop paying your rent, your food, your cell phone bill, your car insurance, your medical, etc....
it happens with every generation.
marriage, houses and kids, just make sure life beats whatever remaining utopian ideas are beaten out of you because now you have other people relying on you.
Most people rise up and grow up and accept the responsibility.
it's how society works.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
So the concept of capitalism has changed. It doesn't mean work hard, compete, find your niche. It means greed that gives nothing back.
millenials developed the sharing/caring economy which is certainly aligned with capitalism, although disruptive of mainy traditional capitalist industries. airbnb, uber, lyft etc are all aligned with a free market ideology, whereas the left fights against these technologies with bans or crippling regulations. organizations like toms quoted in the article that have a significant corporate social responsibility bent are also popular with millenials. and policies of many private sector companies are being redesigned with the millenials in mind - no dress codes, unlimited vacation time, no offices (CEOs sit side by side with snot nosed college interns), lots of "open meeting space" and places to have fun.
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At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
I'm not arguing against capitalism. I'm arguing that the effects of what has happened recently and in this generation mean that their viewpoint is markedly different than the historical norm.
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At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
I'm not arguing against capitalism. I'm arguing that the effects of what has happened recently and in this generation mean that their viewpoint is markedly different than the historical norm.
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At the same age (or worse off at 40 than their parents at 30) are going to buck up and love capitalism. Responsibility or no responsibility - the social contract has been pretty much established, each generation supposedly is supposed to do better than the previous.
Are the Greeks better off than their parents were? Is Western Europe in general in better shape than a generation ago? I guess you could point to China, but they were coming from $3 per day and have a lot of new problems to solve. Venezuela?
They may not love capitalism, but show me an alternative system that is producing better results.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not sure that millenials are really supporting the type of wide scale tax fraud that occurred in Greece, or the type of wide-scale corruption and theft that occurs daily via the government in Venezuala.
I think millenials might prefer the type of capitalism/socialism blend that's led to relative prosperity (for more than just the wealthy citizens) in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, New Zealand Finland etc. None of these countries are perfect, and the demographics and scale are a bit different than here, but are better examples than completely failed states like Greece/Venezuala.
Comparing a state to a sovereign country???
Interesting is all I can say.
Don't you know that's propaganda?
At least that is what I am told when mention that?
In some ways it certainly is. It also employs a ton of people in the public sector, has a generous social safety net, and labor federations have a stronger presence than unions in the U.S. which are declining in influence.
That's why socialism vs capitalism isn't really the right argument IMO. Pretty much every country has pieces of both. Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
I'll leave the last word to other. I feel like I'm getting political here, so am going to bow out.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
Older generations have been getting annoyed at younger generations forever. Gen X was a bunch of slackers.
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it is not our fault our parents raised us like babies who are so confused we need laws to know which bathroom to use or require a "safe" place on campus to cry.
Hippies were a waste of space too but I guess they ended up alright. You hippies did drugs, dressed like idiots, protested wars etc. still you managed to eventually get your heads out of your asses, get jobs, buy homes and raise kids.
Older generations have been getting annoyed at younger generations forever. Gen X was a bunch of slackers.
Kids, I don't know what's wrong with these kids today
Kids, who can understand anything they say?
Kids, they are disobedient, disrespectful oafs
Noisy, crazy, sloppy, lazy, loafers
And while we're on the subject
Kids, you can talk and talk till your face is blue
Kids, but they still do just what they want to do
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
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Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
How did we survive rock and roll?
I, for one, am glad that the next generation is taking over. It's the way it is and always has been. No one screwed anything up.
Just because humanity did or didn't evolved in some preconceived utopian vision that is unique in all of us is meaningless.
History happened and as every day passes, it too becomes history.
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Sweden and other Nordic countries are much more "free market" than the US.
Don't you know that's propaganda?
At least that is what I am told when mention that?
Comparing a state to a sovereign country???
Interesting is all I can say.
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Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
Fair enough (re: VAT versus 1%), but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Millenials live closer to urban centers and drive a lot less than their parents, so I think they'd generally support higher gas taxes to support a stronger safety net, although millenials would likely be split on this one.
Cmon.
For fuck's sake.
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Millenials seem to want a stronger safety net at the cost of higher taxes on the wealthiest citizens.
Except that's not the way Europe (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does it. Income taxes on the wealthy vary, but taken as a group are higher, but not THAT much higher, than the US. There are also loopholes (no capital gains taxes in the Netherlands e.g.) like the US.
Where Europe raises a lot more revenue than the US is through gas taxes and a VAT. Gas taxes are a multiple of what you pay in the US, and have been that way well before anyone used the terms "climate change" and "global warming". They were instituted to raise revenue. I'll characterized a VAT as a national sales tax devised by a committee. Also a major revenue raiser.
So the 1% are not providing the lion's share of the funding for these programs.
Fair enough (re: VAT versus 1%), but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Millenials live closer to urban centers and drive a lot less than their parents, so I think they'd generally support higher gas taxes to support a stronger safety net, although millenials would likely be split on this one.
Cmon.
Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
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Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
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piece, it's a bit confusing to get a consistent philosophy since they also reject socialism. I think the word capitalism in some circles has been effectively branded by the left as synonymous with fat cats on wall street making billions betting against the housing market.
millenials developed the sharing/caring economy which is certainly aligned with capitalism, although disruptive of mainy traditional capitalist industries. airbnb, uber, lyft etc are all aligned with a free market ideology, whereas the left fights against these technologies with bans or crippling regulations. organizations like toms quoted in the article that have a significant corporate social responsibility bent are also popular with millenials. and policies of many private sector companies are being redesigned with the millenials in mind - no dress codes, unlimited vacation time, no offices (CEOs sit side by side with snot nosed college interns), lots of "open meeting space" and places to have fun.
this is a hysterical post. There are various forms of capitalism. There is the neo liberal version which is a fake philosophy to help the ultra rich stay rich. Then there is state capitalism or what the right calls socialism. The latter is my preference.
For fuck's sake.
Oh I do.
He just makes the most absolutely hysterical posts some.
Engage him? Never. A wall makes more sense.
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Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
they don't need to cause they don't have a slave economy.
If you hate this country so much why don't you get the fuck out of it?
Well, what makes wage slaves? WAGES! I want you to be free!
Groucho has always said it best.
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Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
they don't need to cause they don't have a slave economy.
If you hate this country so much why don't you get the fuck out of it?
Back to reality, I love this country. I simply want it to live up to its ideals which it is failing miserably at. Further, the country to me isn't a bunch of rich corporations who now dominate our society. It's striking miners and workers. It's protesters demanding gender equality. It's black lives matter demanding racial equality. It's occupy Wall Street fighting to tell banks to stop gambling with people's livelihoods and demanding we pay the bookie. It's soldiers forgotten when they come home and left to peddle for change in a wheelchair or struggling with pstd while laws ban marijuana to help treat them forcing them to rely on actual big pharmaceutical drugs. I don't worship leaders from Bernie to trump. I worship everyday people from all walks of life who are the backbone of this country and tired of having ten people own as much well as 150 million. People standing together. That's how we got rid of slavery. That's how we got same labor laws. That's how we got decent environmental protections. Always opposed by the intellectual class who tells stories about how we're really good and if we use violence it must be for the general good cause we represent the course of history. That's the job for propagandists for power and violence. It's the task of populations to free themselves from those doctrinal constraints.
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
One urban myth I wish would go away, that Boomers universally had employers lined up offering them cushy jobs with unreal benefits and 6 weeks paid vacations. The situation varied over those years with both good and bad. And anyone who graduated from college between '74 and '76 and then between '79 and '82 experienced a job market very similar to today. The one area where it's worse today is the level of student loans. But that's not saying student loans were unheard of or rare back then.
Actually, the best job market I've seen was from '96 to '99, and the primary beneficiaries were Gen-ex.
I'm interested in this, kicker. If you have a link that's not hard to find, please post.
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Sweden and other Nordic countries are much more "free market" than the US.
I'm interested in this, kicker. If you have a link that's not hard to find, please post.
Related but not exactly what you asked.
Top Corporate tax rates:
Denmark 23.5%
Finland 20%
Norway 27%
Sweden 22%
Also, all those countries use a "territorial" system of corporate taxation, with Norway the last to adopt it (2004)
Further, I believe none of those countries have the equivalent of state income taxes like the US.
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To read these posts here you would think the Millennial's are the first generation to come of age in a lousy economy, face an election with unsavory candidates or find out that a college degree in basketweaving would not get them a job. Younger baby boomers such as myself that came of age during the the lat Nixon-Ford and Carter administrations also faced a horrible economy. Even minimum wage jobs were scarce. I remember the local Burger King put you on a waiting list if you wanted to apply. I also remember that people with advanced degrees in things like sociology were working as waiters.
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
One urban myth I wish would go away, that Boomers universally had employers lined up offering them cushy jobs with unreal benefits and 6 weeks paid vacations. The situation varied over those years with both good and bad. And anyone who graduated from college between '74 and '76 and then between '79 and '82 experienced a job market very similar to today. The one area where it's worse today is the level of student loans. But that's not saying student loans were unheard of or rare back then.
Actually, the best job market I've seen was from '96 to '99, and the primary beneficiaries were Gen-ex.
I don't know that any Boomers got cushy jobs right out of school. If anything that is more true for Millennials than it is for Boomers. Top engineering and CS grads are courted like ballplayers. There's an article about it on Bloomberg today at http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/do-you-earn-less-than-a-silicon-valley-intern
Boomers never had such opportunities. When I was in school it was generally accepted that there were 3 ways to make good money.
1. Go to medical school
2. Go to law school
3. Get a job with a blue chip corporation
In all three cases it was a given that you would spend many years busting your ass before you started making real money. Nowadays, and I've seen this in my own family a bright kid may make a higher salary in his/her first year of employment than their parents ever did.
https://mises.org/library/how-modern-sweden-profits-success-its-free-market-history
There was a piece on Marginal Revolution (they have a very strong bent), who were talking about this as well. Cannot find it, at the moment.
Kids, I don't know what's wrong with these kids today
Kids, who can understand anything they say?
Kids, they are disobedient, disrespectful oafs
Noisy, crazy, sloppy, lazy, loafers
And while we're on the subject
Kids, you can talk and talk till your face is blue
Kids, but they still do just what they want to do
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?
We love you Conrad, oh yes we do.
Even thats easier for Millennials because its so much easier for a woman to become rich and so much more acceptable to be a "Stay at home dad"
Older baby boomers had to deal with the draft, which was worse than anything succeeding generations have had to deal with. As for that ridiculous Harvard poll i doubt that half the respondents have any idea what Capitalism and Socialism are. The same would have held true had they polled older generations.
Their concern about freedom is more likely to be wrt social issues or drugs.
They want jobs, but seem to think that job creation is a function of government.
So no, I'm not surprised that a majority of them oppose capitalism.
Their concern about freedom is more likely to be wrt social issues or drugs.
They want jobs, but seem to think that job creation is a function of government.
So no, I'm not surprised that a majority of them oppose capitalism.
A ha! They want the government to find them a job where they are allowed to do drugs!!
Just kidding.
What are you talking about? He's getting his masters and this is a social project, remember?
You mean, like every single one of your posts??
We are living in the modern-day equivalent of the gold-rush, and those who figure things out are going to make absolute fortunes.
But I'm a teacher as well as a parent, and I can tell you I have had many, many lengthy discussions with millennials about their views. I stand by my observation - many more are interested in economic fairness than they are in economic freedom, and they fail to understand how capitalism works.
Then again, so do many of their parents.
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Are we sure that a VAT (with suitable exemptions) is a non-starter in the US forever?
Something like 47 states already impose a sales tax. I'm not aware of anything like that in Europe. To add a VAT to a transaction already subject to a sales tax is something I'm not sure would be acceptable, nor am I sure it should be.
they don't need to cause they don't have a slave economy.
If you hate this country so much why don't you get the fuck out of it?
funny you say that. Stalin used to say that to soviet dissidents.
Back to reality, I love this country. I simply want it to live up to its ideals which it is failing miserably at. Further, the country to me isn't a bunch of rich corporations who now dominate our society. It's striking miners and workers. It's protesters demanding gender equality. It's black lives matter demanding racial equality. It's occupy Wall Street fighting to tell banks to stop gambling with people's livelihoods and demanding we pay the bookie. It's soldiers forgotten when they come home and left to peddle for change in a wheelchair or struggling with pstd while laws ban marijuana to help treat them forcing them to rely on actual big pharmaceutical drugs. I don't worship leaders from Bernie to trump. I worship everyday people from all walks of life who are the backbone of this country and tired of having ten people own as much well as 150 million. People standing together. That's how we got rid of slavery. That's how we got same labor laws. That's how we got decent environmental protections. Always opposed by the intellectual class who tells stories about how we're really good and if we use violence it must be for the general good cause we represent the course of history. That's the job for propagandists for power and violence. It's the task of populations to free themselves from those doctrinal constraints.
Well said.
Economic fairness vs. economic freedom crunches it all down to a simplistic sound bite and hints at a lack of ownership and accountability over one's life. I just don't think it's that simple. I think it glosses over large, systemic problems which prevent people from achieving what you see as so easy. It's not.
Are you referring to income equality as fairness? If the market doesn't determine whats fair, then who does, and why?
BTW, what ever happened to Occupy Wall Street? Some of the concerns were valid, but much of it was a media event, and it seems that when the media lost interest, so did the people who were affected. That never happened with prior movements - they had staying power. Not sure if its a reflection of millenials, but I suspect some of it is...
In my conversations I hear a lot of concern about the system being unfair. This is a major concern for them.
I hear a lot of comments about how things aren't working right in Washington based on how many people don't have jobs and/or don't have good paying jobs.
I don't hear a lot of concern about how difficult it is to start a new business. I don't hear a lot of concern about how difficult it is to make payroll. They aren't frustrated because they want to start their own businesses and find barriers to entry in the marketplace.
Yes - I'm generalizing both about Millennials as a group and also about the freedom/fairness concerns. But what I've written is a true generalization.
Which makes me think many of them are still too busy smoking weed and playing video games.
But have faith, they will grow up and act like adults eventually.
Right?
Millenials are pretty mature if you ask me. Yes they are a bit too PC at times and maybe a bit overly sensitive and the whole pussification of America thing, I have railed against them on here as much as anyone but really, we probably need more sensitivity in this world don't you think? We've been butchering the planet and human race for 50,000 years now. Change is a good thing. And millenials are much more mature at their young age then we all were at the same age. I assure you that.
I couldn't agree more. Millennials are simply dealing with the world they inherited with the skills and values they were given in their youth.
I just find it interesting that so many Millennials seem to be worried that our system is unfair to hard workers than they are concerned about barriers to their own success. Is it due to the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset they were raised in?
I'm a gen-xer, and I've known plenty of people who are lured into socialist thinking, from all generations. The teaching profession is loaded up with people with socialist viewpoints on many issues. It's not really a surprise that there are socialists and anti-capitalists.
What is curious to me is the large number of anti-capitalists pro-socialist Millennials.
For years I've thought the death of the small business would be at the hands of the large corporate lobbyists. I now believe that it is more likely to be at the hands of the Millennials.
Agreed. The Economist had an interesting article outlining how poverty is being eradicated around the world, which is an important first step in solving things like world peace. Want to talk about income inequality and fairness in outcomes?
No one can argue that things are fair, but why does anyone think fairness is human right? Disease is essentially unfair and people argue for a right to health care, not for a right to good health.
Are expectations too ideal because everyone got a trophy?
Nowadays there may be some rural pockets in America that I'm not aware of where people go hungry, but in America's cities, people have enough to eat and live decently. They may be reliant on food stamps, food banks and live in overcrowded conditions but they don't live in what would have been considered poverty in the 60's. Poor people in America weigh more than rich people. As for the rest of the world India's problems now are pollution, overcrowding and poor healthcare. Bad, but in the past it was hunger, basic sanitation and infant mortality. I know less about China but things have similarly improved there. Even large parts of Africa are developing a middle class. Today we face the threat of terror. As bad as that is its better than facing the threat of nuclear war with the Soviet Union.
As for Millennials I can't prove scentifically that they are more mature, but those are my informal observations. Within my family the millennial generation is much more mature and focused than we were at a similar age. I recently went to a birthday party in Vegas that a friend was throwing for her 21 year old son. About 20 of his friends were invited. Like all 20 somethings of any generation, I though they drank too much, but other than that they acted like adults.
Nowadays there may be some rural pockets in America that I'm not aware of where people go hungry, but in America's cities, people have enough to eat and live decently. They may be reliant on food stamps, food banks and live in overcrowded conditions but they don't live in what would have been considered poverty in the 60's. Poor people in America weigh more than rich people. As for the rest of the world India's problems now are pollution, overcrowding and poor healthcare. Bad, but in the past it was hunger, basic sanitation and infant mortality. I know less about China but things have similarly improved there. Even large parts of Africa are developing a middle class. Today we face the threat of terror. As bad as that is its better than facing the threat of nuclear war with the Soviet Union.
As for Millennials I can't prove scentifically that they are more mature, but those are my informal observations. Within my family the millennial generation is much more mature and focused than we were at a similar age. I recently went to a birthday party in Vegas that a friend was throwing for her 21 year old son. About 20 of his friends were invited. Like all 20 somethings of any generation, I though they drank too much, but other than that they acted like adults.
And on some items and topics the fact base is so far off that I for one wind up rejecting the conclusion because the foundation is just flat out wrong and lazy wrong ( not picking on dates or factoids or minutia which demonstrates zilch about subject mastery right or wrong).
glad you have big goals. Now may be the time to work on building effectiveness to match.
Or don't. But then don't wonder why you get dismissed and no one listens.
take care.
I agree. In many ways, actually in pretty much every way the world is better than ever. But it's still pretty fucked...
The health care system is a mess but overall diet and health technology is much better than even a few decades ago.
So is gender, racial and minority awareness.
So is progress towards labeling and offering options for victims of domestic violence.
So is product safety and work safety. ( even in the seventies no seat belts, glass windows, hard steering wheels and sharp edged dashboards made for horrific loss of life on the roads).
so too is the spread of different ways to speak truth to power and injustice.
That all said, labeling any of these generations is so filled with a range of lifestyles and stories and perspectives the generalities don't tell us much. I think the labels are for ad agencies not sociologically useful insights
No ones blaming millenials - narcotic abuse is the suspected cause - but this is the adult world they are entering and they may see it differently than prior generations.
We are living in the modern-day equivalent of the gold-rush, and those who figure things out are going to make absolute fortunes.
So your sons are selling shovels on commission?
Something like that. ;>
If you don't care about trivial shit, please explain about 75% of Facebook and half of Twitter.
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I believe we (us millennials) don't care about trivial shit. Stuff that my parents would complain about, don't seem to matter to us. Can't really think of any of examples right now. Brain is fried from 'Theories of Mass Communication" final exam!
If you don't care about trivial shit, please explain about 75% of Facebook and half of Twitter.
My facebook feed is primarily boomers posting political memes, targeted quasi-ad content, and millenial/gen x tweener women posting baby pictures. To be fair, there's a very good chance that this is just a reflection of me being lame.
75%? of what I see? or what you see? I don't know. The stuff people post on my Facebook feed are what I post about on here mostly. Sports. Maybe a Bernie Sanders post will slip in here and there.
I'm talking about mistakes/errors slippages that would've gotten you a 15-20 minute lecture from parents or other adults as a kid, but among peers I catch myself apologizing for something (that meant something to an extent to my parents) but it surely doesn't have the same consequence or shade of meaning to people around the same age as myself. Meaning, what your generation or another generation sees as rude and disrespectful, would be no big issue to us.
Facebook is to remember names, birthdays, and post big events. All my friends and people younger than me (29) use instagram, twitter, whatsapp, snapchat, etc... I'm a dinosaur in that I have no need for snapchat or instagram.
And there's no trivial shit on snapchat, instagram and twitter?
Agreed. I don't get it. I will use it, Viber, or Skype when I am overseas and using only wifi but as far as using it when I am home or even traveling anywhere in NA I don't get it at all. The only time I see a use for it is when I want to communicate with others and it will cost me to use other modes of communication.
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I think most of the younger millenials see facebook as something their parents post on and primarily use snapchat, instagram and twitter (to a lesser extent) for social media.
And there's no trivial shit on snapchat, instagram and twitter?
There's tons. You wouldn't believe the amount of 40+ year olds that think face-swapping via snapchat is hilarious, just like their 8 year old kids.
Other generations utilize these items and are no better from my experience.
Sitting in those 1960-whatever buildings in the 1970's we took notes in notebooks using pens.
Honest question. Are the charging stations in those classrooms used for devices that a) allow you to take the equivalent of notes, b) use snapchat/twitter or the most recent equivalent or c) (my guess) a little of both?
Professors state on their syllabus that laptops are allowed but no web browsing, I think they know that is going to happen anyway but it looks like every standard syllabus was typed by the exact same person. I think a boring class is a boring class, whether it was taught in 1976 or 2016 by a boring professor.
To answer your question, I guess those charging stations are predominantly for school work purposes. Then again, I do see professors and administration people playing phone games all the time. Like my parents once said "There is a time and a place" or something. Then again, all my colleges gave a fuck about was getting your money.
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It's obvious technology has evolved. In older parts of my college that were built in 1960-whatever, the classrooms have no more than one student serviceable power outlet in the most inconvenient locations. In the more modern parts of the campus there are 4 easily accessible outlets per room, and even charging stations with 8-10 available UBS ports ready for charge!
Sitting in those 1960-whatever buildings in the 1970's we took notes in notebooks using pens.
Honest question. Are the charging stations in those classrooms used for devices that a) allow you to take the equivalent of notes, b) use snapchat/twitter or the most recent equivalent or c) (my guess) a little of both?
Not where I went to school, although when the professor in the "Biology for Econ Majors" class I took to cover required hours in a science course began his legendary "Effects of Alcohol on Human Physiology" lecture the sound of beer cans being opened echoed throughout the room. I hasten to add the legal age for drinking was 18 at the time.
Never thought I would go to college and eventually teach at one.
Every instructor lets you know, intentionally or not, after the first assignment and how they grades it, what they want and expect. Usually the exact opposite of what the syllabus outlines.
Was my experience although I started later than most.
Peace mon.
Peace mon.
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signal.
Peace mon.
That is insensitive to Native Americans.
At the time. They were right there with anyone who would pass the pipe. :-)
Express, as in Pony Express
School motto (which many schools also claim):
"Work hard, play hard"
Route 9 and I will save this generation.
Route 9 and I will save this generation.