Serby: Giants can’t hesitate to pick Ezekiel Elliott

is one reason not to pick him.

But, you never know.

Running Backs last 4 years on average.

Safety Sam says pick a fekkin Tackle. This team lives and dies by Eli Manning. A great line can make almost any back look good.

In comment 12923527 Ira said:

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is one reason not to pick him.

Exactly

...for the love of God, TRADE DOWN!

yesterday, he'd be he best available player at 10. Whether we take him is another story.

In comment 12923547 x meadowlander said:

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Running Backs last 4 years on average. Safety Sam says pick a fekkin Tackle. This team lives and dies by Eli Manning. A great line can make almost any back look good.

The other side of that coin is only having 1 playmaker on offense other than Eli. There isn't a WR close in value to Elliot to pick at #10, and adding in a dynamic RB still helps the offense like a WR would. Sooner or later this damn line has to step up, we've invested a ton in it and the quicker offense means Eli shouldn't be getting sacked as much anyway.

There's no right or wrong way to look at this, but there's definitely many variables at play here. And I don't care what anyone says, our RB corps sucks. I want Vereen in the slot more and I want someone who can break tackles at RB, we have no one.

Who, aside from AP, Jamal Lewis and perhaps one other in the last 20 years has been worth a top 10 pick? Please don't say Bush or Spiller. Decent to good players, but hardly top 10..

That all said, whoever the Giants pick at 10 is fine with me. Reese's track record in round 1 has been mostly very good, imv

passes on either Buckner or Ramsey for Elliott.

The 4th overall pick is too high for EE and if for some reason Dallas does select him it means another good player dropping to 10.

In comment 12923547 x meadowlander said:

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Running Backs last 4 years on average. Safety Sam says pick a fekkin Tackle. This team lives and dies by Eli Manning. A great line can make almost any back look good.

but leonard floyd is 25 years old. The whole how long does a player last is BS. Eli has a few years remaining if we get him a stud running back for this offense for his remaining years. I would say job well done

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In comment 12923547 x meadowlander said: Quote: Running Backs last 4 years on average. Safety Sam says pick a fekkin Tackle. This team lives and dies by Eli Manning. A great line can make almost any back look good. but leonard floyd is 25 years old. The whole how long does a player last is BS. Eli has a few years remaining if we get him a stud running back for this offense for his remaining years. I would say job well done

24 at seasons start

would be disappointing in the sense it means our top 5-6 targets are gone. It's also making less sense to allocate big cap dollars for a RB when your success largely hinges on the passing attack (and cap dollars needed there).

But I one things for sure - Serby is a horses ass

In comment 12923583 Big Blue '56 said:

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Who, aside from AP, Jamal Lewis and perhaps one other in the last 20 years has been worth a top 10 pick? Please don't say Bush or Spiller. Decent to good players, but hardly top 10..

As much as I like Elliott, this is pretty sound advice...

and older. By tomorrow night he's going to be ready for the AARP draft.

we need a man like a jacobs or a bradshaw, not a mamas boy. PASS.

In comment 12923547 x meadowlander said:

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Running Backs last 4 years on average. Safety Sam says pick a fekkin Tackle. This team lives and dies by Eli Manning. A great line can make almost any back look good.

Wait if its all about Eli than 4 years should be plenty of time given he's 35, no?

In comment 12923604 JonC said:

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would be disappointing in the sense it means our top 5-6 targets are gone. It's also making less sense to allocate big cap dollars for a RB when your success largely hinges on the passing attack (and cap dollars needed there).

He's a great receiver and pass blocker so he'll add value in the passing game.

I just don't see special traits with him. Nothing stands out to me when watching him.

In comment 12923617 jcn56 said:

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and older. By tomorrow night he's going to be ready for the AARP draft.

But never as old as Aaron Ross

But I don't think a RB is good value at 10 even if he is BPA. The offense won't center around the RB. I can't remember the last team to win the SB that centered its offense on a RB.

sorry but we arent getting EE

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In comment 12923604 JonC said: Quote: would be disappointing in the sense it means our top 5-6 targets are gone. It's also making less sense to allocate big cap dollars for a RB when your success largely hinges on the passing attack (and cap dollars needed there). He's a great receiver and pass blocker so he'll add value in the passing game. I just don't see special traits with him. Nothing stands out to me when watching him.

Not enough to warrant the cap allocations, imo.

If this team didn't have glaring holes I'd love to have him. The thing is Jennings would still get carries and vereen would still play obvious passing downs... So at least for this year and maybe one more Elliot would likely not be getting 200-300 touches.

You can get good running back production later. You usually can't get guys like jack, Buckner, Bosa, or premier pass rushers and left tackles late in the draft.

In comment 12923583 Big Blue '56 said:

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Who, aside from AP, Jamal Lewis and perhaps one other in the last 20 years has been worth a top 10 pick? Please don't say Bush or Spiller. Decent to good players, but hardly top 10.. That all said, whoever the Giants pick at 10 is fine with me. Reese's track record in round 1 has been mostly very good, imv

And I'm not really sure I'd consider Bush and Spiller "good" players. Neither really ever one the clear starting job. The upgrade from Jennings to EE would be small, the upgrade to an OT, Jack at MLB, or Doctson at #2 WR would be large.

I'm referring to his potential second NFL contract, otherwise let's not burn a #10 pick on a tailback that figures to be difficult to re-sign in four years.

I'm thinking Seattle would have very much liked to have run a particular play a couple years ago in the SB.


We've been FA picking up RB's who can catch the ball. On the one hand, do we need another? On the other hand, you can see what the idea is, so would it be crazy to draft a RB who can catch the ball? It would seem to be a duplication of effort, but IF EE is the real deal in the dynamic department, regardless of how good running with the ball, doesn't it merit consideration? I'm guessing one or two of our current RB are easily jettisoned if there's an upgrade drafted.

I'd rather have Floyd and I see him as a risky pick.

He ran through gaping holes regularly. I don't see elite acceleration(Sanders). I don't see rare physicality(George). I don't see special vision(Faulk). I see a very good all around RB...not an impact 'talent'. For me that's what you have to be to get picked this high at his position.

I just don't see it..and I really don't think he'll be the pick.

If they go into the season with who they have currently, it will be a mistake. Bank on it.

Jennings is old an can't stay healthy.

Williams couldn't find a hole if he fell into one.

Darkwa and Rainey have never done anything.

Vereen can catch but he's an average RB.

RB has become to our offense what LB has been to our defense or almost 10 years. A weak unit that never performs consistently because there are never any viable pieces in place. Just a bunch of mid to late round and UDFA hopefuls that never pan out along with some overpaid role players.

And now everyone is buying into the same mantra - we don't need high draft picks at this position. The position has been devalued. We can get by with average players. This was supposedly true of the linebacker position for years and now its become obvious the Giants need a serious infusion of talent there. Hopefully it doesn't take another 10 years to figure that out at the RB position as well.

I'll take Elliott. Might not be the biggest need but having him in the backfield to run, block, and catch will make things a hell of a lot easier on everyone else. Big improvement. Sign me up.

I agree with the overall sentiment.
except, they did put a first round pick in Wilson, and they did put significant FA money into the position. They obviously value the position. If they don't they've addressed the situation satisfactorily, EE is in play.

JonC, 4 or 5 years down the road is a LOOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG ways away. Worry about getting a second contract after getting 4 or 5 years of good production first.

if they don't THINK they've addressed the situation....

Tiki was last back that teams really had to game plan for.

I think people may be forgetting how much the running game can help the passing game. I think it's even more important with our offense given Eli's lack of mobility. (*Of course, this argument also supports taking Conklin).

The backs cited above, Bush and Spiller, were not the typical every down backs. Not big enough and not used as such. Elliott could be an every down back, he's a full grown man.

He's a talented enough back to make plays when the blocking breaks down, which in turn, causes opposing defenses to respect the run even more. I think he really improves the offense exponentially.

4 years is an eternity from now. Besides, given the wear and tear on RBs - it's not unrealistic to plan changing them out every 3-5 years.

Typically short shelf life for RBs is a potential waste, and is cap allocations on a second contract if he earns it.

or ever had any inside knowledge (or more knowledge than anyone on BBI).

Depends on how you measure ROI. You have a QB with a realistic window of 3 years. Think that has to be weighed into the equation. You have someone who takes a lot of heat off of Eli, immediately improves running and passing game.

FYI: I'd take Conklin if both were there, but, I would understand the EE pick.

he can't be any good?

I really would be hoping for RT-Germaine Ifedi in the 2nd round, A CB in the 3rd, RG-Vadal Alexander in the 4th,(Jerry & Newhouse are not going to spearhead an awesome running game) And then in 5 & 6 I'd want a tall blocking TE with good hands and a tall WR who runs like the wind.

Almost anything else is preferable. ORT, DE, LB, DB, etc.

if they selected a RB and ended up having another season of newhouse at RT they have to address the OT situation its the biggest need on the team,closely followed by CB,then lesser so (slightly) WR there could be 2 OT off the board before we pick at 10 that proves the value of the OT position right there

not for the present.

I keep reading this idea that you can't draft a running back if your OL isn't finished yet. That is fucking stupid.

and none of it is good.

knows what we have to do with our first round pick, the reason we sucked last year was because of the defense and thats where we need to get more talented players..

In comment 12928294 Jersey55 said:

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knows what we have to do with our first round pick, the reason we sucked last year was because of the defense and thats where we need to get more talented players..

We just spent $100 Million on defense..