For griffin or love, I just don't see it, they are building a good young team, why mess with that? They can add more young pieces and get a superstar that way
Because for how great they have been at getting picks, they have not done the best job of getting talent in the middle-to-late first round range. They have guys just melting on the bench, particularly guards. Smart, Thomas, Bradley and Crowder all see minutes in the backcourt in some form. Young, Rozier and Hunter don't even see the court in meaningful time.
If this year's BKN pick falls between the 5-7 range, what do they do? If you look at the early mocks, its a very guard-heavy draft. Danny Ainge is desperate to land a difference maker, and he realizes his team is already closer to competing then he originally planned. I don't know how trustworthy rumors are but he apparently was trying really hard to make a move on love, with the BKN pick included. He would cream his pants if he could land Love this offseason.
And there are more reports about consensus that GMs around the league are devaluing the Boston picks for when it comes down for Boston to make trades.
I wouldn't blame Danny Ainge at all if he felt that he could land Love and lure someone like Horford instead of putting all his faith in Domantas Sabonis.
Celtics will have 40M this offseason, and the main players to coming off the books are Sullinger, Evan Turner and Zeller. A top pick makes what, $5M his first year? Assuming they leave around $10M below the cap next year, then this deal works money-wise:
To LAC - Melo, Boston 1st round pick
To BOS - Griffin, Paul Pierce
To NYK - Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, 2017 Brooklyn #1
No, I actually meant space. They have 3 #1s and 5 #2s in this draft. I dont think they necessarily want 3 rookies on the roster. Or will find 5 draft and stash guys they like.
RE: RE: I fail to see why Boston gives up prime picks Â
For griffin or love, I just don't see it, they are building a good young team, why mess with that? They can add more young pieces and get a superstar that way
Because for how great they have been at getting picks, they have not done the best job of getting talent in the middle-to-late first round range. They have guys just melting on the bench, particularly guards. Smart, Thomas, Bradley and Crowder all see minutes in the backcourt in some form. Young, Rozier and Hunter don't even see the court in meaningful time.
If this year's BKN pick falls between the 5-7 range, what do they do? If you look at the early mocks, its a very guard-heavy draft. Danny Ainge is desperate to land a difference maker, and he realizes his team is already closer to competing then he originally planned. I don't know how trustworthy rumors are but he apparently was trying really hard to make a move on love, with the BKN pick included. He would cream his pants if he could land Love this offseason.
And there are more reports about consensus that GMs around the league are devaluing the Boston picks for when it comes down for Boston to make trades.
I wouldn't blame Danny Ainge at all if he felt that he could land Love and lure someone like Horford instead of putting all his faith in Domantas Sabonis.
Lowest the BKN pick can fall is 6. And the chances of it being either 5 or 6 are small. Then again, that's what we said about the Knicks last draft...
Celtics will have 40M this offseason, and the main players to coming off the books are Sullinger, Evan Turner and Zeller. A top pick makes what, $5M his first year? Assuming they leave around $10M below the cap next year, then this deal works money-wise:
To LAC - Melo, Boston 1st round pick
To BOS - Griffin, Paul Pierce
To NYK - Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, 2017 Brooklyn #1
No, I actually meant space. They have 3 #1s and 5 #2s in this draft. I dont think they necessarily want 3 rookies on the roster. Or will find 5 draft and stash guys they like.
I get what you mean. I could see them using the BKN pick on a roster player, and then stashing the other 4. Maybe in a midseason deal like that, they even send one of their young bench guys to the Knicks as well.
3rd pick, they would really be in a conundrum. Do they trust Bender enough over acquiring someone like Love if that was a possibility? Even if they think there's a difference making guard, it would be pretty damn hard for a rookie to become better than Thomas and Bradley in the next few years.
While Boston seems like a team that turned the ship around quickly with young players, all of their "good" players are over 25 (Thomas, Bradley, Turner, Amir, Olynyk, Sully). Smart is really their only big "prospect". So they aren't exactly on as long a timeframe as many people might think. Which is why they would take a star over a BKN pick because they have another one in he future and a couple of swaps if I'm not mistaken.
Not a huge piece or one that kills our cap but a legit player and went on to win 42 games next season on the backs of the kids, with or without Melo, I don't thing this would suck at all. Progress is a good thing. I know middle ground in the NBA is awful but the steady improvement can lead to greatness. It's not all so black and white to sit here and say that ten more wins next season leads to NBA purgatory and mediocrity.
I'd like to trade Melo tho. If the trade is smart.
If they lose first round? They then build around dragic Winslow bosh and Whiteside?
I think there is a not insignificant chance (thought not likely) that Cleveland says fuck it, trades Love for Melo, Kyrie for CP3, and then does a S&T to get Wade (maybe surrounding Thompson or Mozgov going back to Miami, which I think doesnt want to pay Whiteside).
It works. And LeBron has made clear that he wants to play with those 3 guys. All of them, together.
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"I really hope that, before our career is over, we can all play together. ... At least one, maybe one or two seasons -- me, Melo, D-Wade, CP -- we can get a year in," James told Bleacher Report in February for a feature story on James' and Anthony's relationship that was published Wednesday. "I would actually take a pay cut to do that."
Who says no? Miami's hand can be forced. Knicks get Love who has not NTC and could immediately be flipped for assets (Boston?). Clippers might say no, but if Paul says he wants out, they'd have to think about trading him because he is a UFA after next season. As is Blake. Link - ( New Window )
“He doesn’t really share his life outside of basketball with me,” Austin said. “He and I don’t know each other like that. We know each other as strictly basketball. A lot of people on the outside don’t understand that because people think we have a relationship like every other father and son. We just don’t. That’s because he’s been gone my whole life, and that’s fine.
"It’s worked out for the both of us. But the one person he could always really be with was his mom. That’s the toughest thing I’ve ever seen him go through; more than the Sterling stuff and even when his dad passed away. His mom was everything to him. I’ve never seen him like that.”
The 4 of them will end up in south beach for a year or 2 Â
If they lose first round? They then build around dragic Winslow bosh and Whiteside?
Justise Winslow cannot shoot, and they're scared to death of paying whiteside because they do not trust his off-court or his attitude. Not building blocks.
If they lose first round? They then build around dragic Winslow bosh and Whiteside?
Justise Winslow cannot shoot, and they're scared to death of paying whiteside because they do not trust his off-court or his attitude. Not building blocks.
It was a thought because they will not have much money to spend unless wade takes massive pay cut, your not getting Durant with just dragic wade and bosh
RE: The 4 of them will end up in south beach for a year or 2 Â
It won't be in Cleveland, lebron wants to say he brought a championship to Cleveland by himself...
Although melo today said he hopes to retire a knick
My way they all make bank. In Miami they'd almost certainly need to sign them as free agents for well below max. Each guy can make 35% of the cap. 35x4= 140% of the cap, and that's without anyone else.
RE: RE: The 4 of them will end up in south beach for a year or 2 Â
It won't be in Cleveland, lebron wants to say he brought a championship to Cleveland by himself...
Although melo today said he hopes to retire a knick
My way they all make bank. In Miami they'd almost certainly need to sign them as free agents for well below max. Each guy can make 35% of the cap. 35x4= 140% of the cap, and that's without anyone else.
Right you have them doing it now, I have them doing it when they have 1 or 2 years left
Right you have them doing it now, I have them doing it when they have 1 or 2 years left
Wade is 34 and his body has been breaking down for a while, though he played a lot this season. The other guys have time, but if you wait too long on Paul and Melo you're probably dealing with them as bigger names than games. 2-3 years from now, Wade, Melo, and Paul will not be a very competitive lineup.
Carmelo Anthony thinks Tom Thibodeau would have accepted the Knicks' head-coaching job if it were offered him. "I'm pretty sure in Thibodeau's situation, I'm pretty sure he wanted to come (to New York)," Anthony told ESPN. "He waited a while to see if there was gonna be an opportunity. It didn't happen."
Team president Phil Jackson did not reach out to Thibodeau prior Thibodeau accepting a coaching/team president position with the Minnesota Timberwolves, according to sources. "I'm pretty sure if he would've gotten offered the job, he would have took it with no regret. He would have jumped on it," Anthony added.
Anthony did an interview on Sirius with Isola this morning Â
Isola! That has to be a fireable offense in Dolan Land. This is a good start to the off season.
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But that didn’t stop the star from reiterating his view that Jackson shouldn’t limit the candidates, stating that not doing so would be “a problem” in an interview Thursday with the Daily News’ Frank Isola on SiriusXM Radio.
“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
basically said today, if Rambis is hired without an extensive legit search "there will be problems". He's not a moron. If Blatt is the only guy Jackson talks to I think Melo is asking out.
basically said today, if Rambis is hired without an extensive legit search "there will be problems". He's not a moron. If Blatt is the only guy Jackson talks to I think Melo is asking out.
can all guess how Melo/Phil feel but this quote sure reads as "I want a legit extensive search and not Rambis and a phone call to Blatt or I want out"
"“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
can all guess how Melo/Phil feel but this quote sure reads as "I want a legit extensive search and not Rambis and a phone call to Blatt or I want out"
"“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
Does anyone take it any other way?
I don't know about "I want out" - He said on the Dan Patrick show that he wanted to retire a Knick.
can all guess how Melo/Phil feel but this quote sure reads as "I want a legit extensive search and not Rambis and a phone call to Blatt or I want out"
"“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
Does anyone take it any other way?
I don't know about "I want out" - He said on the Dan Patrick show that he wanted to retire a Knick.
What else would "then we have a problem with that" mean?
spending a summer with the best coaches and players in the world, then coming back and wanting to go play for Kurt Rambis on a 35-win team next year. Actually, I can't fathom him wanting to play for Kurt Rambis under any circumstances. Looks like the PR campaign is underway. If we start it early enough maybe we can deal him on draft night.
I feel like he's been pretty straight forward when talking to the media over the years, so I don't take that as an ultimatum.
- Last year with the drafting of KP, the assumption was that he didn't like the pick. All those reports were wrong.
- I believe it was the year before, he wanted some player in the 2nd round, but the Knicks went a different route. Then he posted something like "Good night" on Twitter or whatever, and everyone took that to mean he didn't like the pick.
- A few weeks ago, he mentioned that he wants to win a championship, and I think he said something about not necessarily with the Knicks. Maybe I'm misremembering what he said exactly.
- He's said that he wants to be involved in the coach hiring process.
- He's come out and said that he thinks Rondo would be a good fit in the Triangle.
If anything, I'm more concerned with him saying that he hasn't spoken to Phil since the exit interview.
spending a summer with the best coaches and players in the world, then coming back and wanting to go play for Kurt Rambis on a 35-win team next year. Actually, I can't fathom him wanting to play for Kurt Rambis under any circumstances. Looks like the PR campaign is underway. If we start it early enough maybe we can deal him on draft night.
Because for how great they have been at getting picks, they have not done the best job of getting talent in the middle-to-late first round range. They have guys just melting on the bench, particularly guards. Smart, Thomas, Bradley and Crowder all see minutes in the backcourt in some form. Young, Rozier and Hunter don't even see the court in meaningful time.
If this year's BKN pick falls between the 5-7 range, what do they do? If you look at the early mocks, its a very guard-heavy draft. Danny Ainge is desperate to land a difference maker, and he realizes his team is already closer to competing then he originally planned. I don't know how trustworthy rumors are but he apparently was trying really hard to make a move on love, with the BKN pick included. He would cream his pants if he could land Love this offseason.
And there are more reports about consensus that GMs around the league are devaluing the Boston picks for when it comes down for Boston to make trades.
I wouldn't blame Danny Ainge at all if he felt that he could land Love and lure someone like Horford instead of putting all his faith in Domantas Sabonis.
Celtics will have 40M this offseason, and the main players to coming off the books are Sullinger, Evan Turner and Zeller. A top pick makes what, $5M his first year? Assuming they leave around $10M below the cap next year, then this deal works money-wise:
To LAC - Melo, Boston 1st round pick
To BOS - Griffin, Paul Pierce
To NYK - Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, 2017 Brooklyn #1
No, I actually meant space. They have 3 #1s and 5 #2s in this draft. I dont think they necessarily want 3 rookies on the roster. Or will find 5 draft and stash guys they like.
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For griffin or love, I just don't see it, they are building a good young team, why mess with that? They can add more young pieces and get a superstar that way
Because for how great they have been at getting picks, they have not done the best job of getting talent in the middle-to-late first round range. They have guys just melting on the bench, particularly guards. Smart, Thomas, Bradley and Crowder all see minutes in the backcourt in some form. Young, Rozier and Hunter don't even see the court in meaningful time.
If this year's BKN pick falls between the 5-7 range, what do they do? If you look at the early mocks, its a very guard-heavy draft. Danny Ainge is desperate to land a difference maker, and he realizes his team is already closer to competing then he originally planned. I don't know how trustworthy rumors are but he apparently was trying really hard to make a move on love, with the BKN pick included. He would cream his pants if he could land Love this offseason.
And there are more reports about consensus that GMs around the league are devaluing the Boston picks for when it comes down for Boston to make trades.
I wouldn't blame Danny Ainge at all if he felt that he could land Love and lure someone like Horford instead of putting all his faith in Domantas Sabonis.
Lowest the BKN pick can fall is 6. And the chances of it being either 5 or 6 are small. Then again, that's what we said about the Knicks last draft...
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Celtics will have 40M this offseason, and the main players to coming off the books are Sullinger, Evan Turner and Zeller. A top pick makes what, $5M his first year? Assuming they leave around $10M below the cap next year, then this deal works money-wise:
To LAC - Melo, Boston 1st round pick
To BOS - Griffin, Paul Pierce
To NYK - Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, 2017 Brooklyn #1
No, I actually meant space. They have 3 #1s and 5 #2s in this draft. I dont think they necessarily want 3 rookies on the roster. Or will find 5 draft and stash guys they like.
I get what you mean. I could see them using the BKN pick on a roster player, and then stashing the other 4. Maybe in a midseason deal like that, they even send one of their young bench guys to the Knicks as well.
While Boston seems like a team that turned the ship around quickly with young players, all of their "good" players are over 25 (Thomas, Bradley, Turner, Amir, Olynyk, Sully). Smart is really their only big "prospect". So they aren't exactly on as long a timeframe as many people might think. Which is why they would take a star over a BKN pick because they have another one in he future and a couple of swaps if I'm not mistaken.
I'd like to trade Melo tho. If the trade is smart.
I think there is a not insignificant chance (thought not likely) that Cleveland says fuck it, trades Love for Melo, Kyrie for CP3, and then does a S&T to get Wade (maybe surrounding Thompson or Mozgov going back to Miami, which I think doesnt want to pay Whiteside).
It works. And LeBron has made clear that he wants to play with those 3 guys. All of them, together.
Who says no? Miami's hand can be forced. Knicks get Love who has not NTC and could immediately be flipped for assets (Boston?). Clippers might say no, but if Paul says he wants out, they'd have to think about trading him because he is a UFA after next season. As is Blake.
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"It’s worked out for the both of us. But the one person he could always really be with was his mom. That’s the toughest thing I’ve ever seen him go through; more than the Sterling stuff and even when his dad passed away. His mom was everything to him. I’ve never seen him like that.”
Although melo today said he hopes to retire a knick
Justise Winslow cannot shoot, and they're scared to death of paying whiteside because they do not trust his off-court or his attitude. Not building blocks.
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If they lose first round? They then build around dragic Winslow bosh and Whiteside?
Justise Winslow cannot shoot, and they're scared to death of paying whiteside because they do not trust his off-court or his attitude. Not building blocks.
It was a thought because they will not have much money to spend unless wade takes massive pay cut, your not getting Durant with just dragic wade and bosh
Although melo today said he hopes to retire a knick
My way they all make bank. In Miami they'd almost certainly need to sign them as free agents for well below max. Each guy can make 35% of the cap. 35x4= 140% of the cap, and that's without anyone else.
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It won't be in Cleveland, lebron wants to say he brought a championship to Cleveland by himself...
Although melo today said he hopes to retire a knick
My way they all make bank. In Miami they'd almost certainly need to sign them as free agents for well below max. Each guy can make 35% of the cap. 35x4= 140% of the cap, and that's without anyone else.
Right you have them doing it now, I have them doing it when they have 1 or 2 years left
How? You think if Miami starts trying to trade him they are going to get full value?
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Their medical team is scared to death to OK him even though he wants to play. I can see them moving on from Bosh
How? You think if Miami starts trying to trade him they are going to get full value?
I don't think anything on it I just heard on the radio (or maybe it was a podcast) that Miami isn't up on Bosh.
Right you have them doing it now, I have them doing it when they have 1 or 2 years left
Wade is 34 and his body has been breaking down for a while, though he played a lot this season. The other guys have time, but if you wait too long on Paul and Melo you're probably dealing with them as bigger names than games. 2-3 years from now, Wade, Melo, and Paul will not be a very competitive lineup.
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ESPN Staff Writer
Carmelo Anthony thinks Tom Thibodeau would have accepted the Knicks' head-coaching job if it were offered him. "I'm pretty sure in Thibodeau's situation, I'm pretty sure he wanted to come (to New York)," Anthony told ESPN. "He waited a while to see if there was gonna be an opportunity. It didn't happen."
Team president Phil Jackson did not reach out to Thibodeau prior Thibodeau accepting a coaching/team president position with the Minnesota Timberwolves, according to sources. "I'm pretty sure if he would've gotten offered the job, he would have took it with no regret. He would have jumped on it," Anthony added.
“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
Who is we?
Works for me!
"“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
Does anyone take it any other way?
#SKnicksers
"“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
Does anyone take it any other way?
I don't know about "I want out" - He said on the Dan Patrick show that he wanted to retire a Knick.
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can all guess how Melo/Phil feel but this quote sure reads as "I want a legit extensive search and not Rambis and a phone call to Blatt or I want out"
"“I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it, there needs to be a process,” Anthony said. “As long as there’s a process and you go through the proper channels to figure out exactly what you need to do, I don’t have no problem with that. But if you don’t go through that process and at least look to see what’s out there, then we have a problem with that.”
Does anyone take it any other way?
I don't know about "I want out" - He said on the Dan Patrick show that he wanted to retire a Knick.
What else would "then we have a problem with that" mean?
Right. He has to make the divorce look like the Knicks' fault. And I think Phil is ok with that.
I feel like he's been pretty straight forward when talking to the media over the years, so I don't take that as an ultimatum.
- Last year with the drafting of KP, the assumption was that he didn't like the pick. All those reports were wrong.
- I believe it was the year before, he wanted some player in the 2nd round, but the Knicks went a different route. Then he posted something like "Good night" on Twitter or whatever, and everyone took that to mean he didn't like the pick.
- A few weeks ago, he mentioned that he wants to win a championship, and I think he said something about not necessarily with the Knicks. Maybe I'm misremembering what he said exactly.
- He's said that he wants to be involved in the coach hiring process.
- He's come out and said that he thinks Rondo would be a good fit in the Triangle.
If anything, I'm more concerned with him saying that he hasn't spoken to Phil since the exit interview.
Then we can fire Rambis the next day.