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Collinsworth: Baylor WR Corey Coleman perfect fit for Giants

gidiefor : Mod : 4/27/2016 11:33 am
KWALL - you been calling the Smurf?
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Ran  
AcidTest : 4/27/2016 11:39 am : link
a limited route tree at Baylor. 10 on the Wonderlic. Pass.
And,  
Doomster : 4/27/2016 11:41 am : link
he cheated to get that score...
It's an interesting point...  
Pork Chop : 4/27/2016 11:42 am : link
the NYG #2 is going to get a lot of 1-1 coverage, so the ability to beat a defender off the LOS is a big advantage.

I've been a big fan of Collinsworth, the guy does his homework.
Ran a limited route tree?  
KWALL2 : 4/27/2016 11:46 am : link
Come on. Which route would he have problems with? The deep in? A post?

The wonderlic means nothing. Despite that limited route tree they asked him to make route adjustments based on coverage. His ability to get off the line and the routes he ran he showed he can get wide open and it will work in the NFL.

Coleman to Giants is a perfect match. Speed to pull safeties his way and excellent weapon on the short stuff with YAC ability.



He makes Manningham and Randle look like Rhodes Scholars  
Canton : 4/27/2016 11:47 am : link
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Here you go  
KWALL2 : 4/27/2016 11:50 am : link
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“It’s comical, people come up to the line of scrimmage and try to jam him, they don’t even get a finger on him,” Collinsworth said of Coleman. “And, then he’s so fast, now you miss him at the line of scrimmage, and he just goes. Somebody is going to be on the other side of Odell Beckham... somebody’s going one-on-one. So, if you said, ‘Who’s the one guy they could not cover one-on-one on the back side?’ That’s Corey Coleman.”


He's a guy who would get Beckham one on one looks. He's a no risk/HR potential pick. Not just speed. Strong and tough. Outstanding with the ball in his hands. Excellent runner who can also play out of the backfield.
I think he would  
allstarjim : 4/27/2016 11:52 am : link
certainly be a weapon in our offense and he is capable of putting up huge performances in the NFL... the guy is an absolute playmaker and I think he is a SURE thing.

The thing about him is he is so explosive there aren't many corners that are going to be able to stay with him. He's going to get cushion and when he doesn't get cushion, they are going to need to dedicate safety help.

However, as I've said elsewhere, the Giants need a red zone target. Coleman is another homerun threat, but I'd rather have a big, physical receiver to be a target in the red zone, because that's where the Giants really struggled last season.
Doctson or  
Lionhart28 : 4/27/2016 11:58 am : link
bust. No interest in Coleman.
How realistic is it, though?  
Del Shofner : 4/27/2016 12:00 pm : link
We won't take him at 10 and it doesn't seem likely he'll be there at 40 or whatever our second pick is.
^this  
BigBlue1092 : 4/27/2016 12:01 pm : link
We would really have to trade up late first earlier in 2nd right?
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arcarsenal : 4/27/2016 12:02 pm : link
I don't understand how there's "no risk" involved on a player who ran a limited tree, was not asked to block downfield, has questionable hands and who's route running needs work.

Coleman has a lot of check marks in places you want to see them. He's explosive, he's a big play machine with a nose for the endzone, he's excellent with the football in his hands. I like the players upside a great deal. Calvin Johnson was a no-risk WR. Corey Coleman is not. Not at #10 overall.
RE: It's an interesting point...  
dg901 : 4/27/2016 12:02 pm : link
In comment 12924089 Pork Chop said:
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the NYG #2 is going to get a lot of 1-1 coverage, so the ability to beat a defender off the LOS is a big advantage.

I've been a big fan of Collinsworth, the guy does his homework.

Make your pick, it depends on what is more important to you.
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Coleman...  
Torrag : 4/27/2016 12:02 pm : link
...not an option at #10. Really not even worth discussing. Moving on.
RE: Coleman...  
barens : 4/27/2016 12:06 pm : link
In comment 12924169 Torrag said:
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...not an option at #10. Really not even worth discussing. Moving on.


I wouldn't go that far...I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if he were the pick at 10.
'I certainly wouldn't be disappointed'...  
Torrag : 4/27/2016 12:10 pm : link
...ugh. I would be. If you covet this guy trade back to #15...at least. He'll be there waiting for you.
Coleman is not being drafted at 10 - No Chance  
ZogZerg : 4/27/2016 12:14 pm : link
in hell.

Phil Simms didn't seem to be as high on him as Collinsworth. Talked about limited routes, etc.
Here's the no risk  
KWALL2 : 4/27/2016 12:23 pm : link
The things he does now? It's enough to make an impact in year one in the NFL.

He's excellent on slants, comebacks and catching the deep ball. Hes also excellent at getting off the line. Adding a few other routes is easy. But just running a few routes, the speed and deep ball threat, his ability after the catch (which is exceptional). Just these things will make him a year one impact player. You can just throw him screens, slants, comebacks, and send him deep and he'll impact the game.

Thats why I see a no risk player with Coleman (especially when he's playing with Beckham)

The routes? He'll learn more as he goes and Beckham sure could help him here. The hands are fine. Maybe an occasional drop but he makes tough catches.
Wonder what Mike Tyson scored  
Stan in LA : 4/27/2016 12:27 pm : link
On the Wonderlic?
I'm on board at 10  
armstead98 : 4/27/2016 12:36 pm : link
Doesn't sound like it will happen but if it does I'm cool with it. If we get him in the 2nd even better.
I'd be on board at 40  
UConn4523 : 4/27/2016 12:38 pm : link
but i just don't see it at 10. I'd rather Treadwell at 10 than Coleman, and I don't want him there either.
I'd be on board at 40  
mrvax : 4/27/2016 12:44 pm : link
but now way at #10. The guy is obviously a good WR but also as dumb as a box of rocks.
RE: Here's the no risk  
arcarsenal : 4/27/2016 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12924268 KWALL2 said:
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The things he does now? It's enough to make an impact in year one in the NFL.

He's excellent on slants, comebacks and catching the deep ball. Hes also excellent at getting off the line. Adding a few other routes is easy. But just running a few routes, the speed and deep ball threat, his ability after the catch (which is exceptional). Just these things will make him a year one impact player. You can just throw him screens, slants, comebacks, and send him deep and he'll impact the game.

Thats why I see a no risk player with Coleman (especially when he's playing with Beckham)

The routes? He'll learn more as he goes and Beckham sure could help him here. The hands are fine. Maybe an occasional drop but he makes tough catches.


I agree with you on Coleman more than I disagree. I just don't think I see the 100% can't miss player you do because I'm not totally sold he will patch the holes in his game. Even if he doesn't, he'll make plays in this league and be a factor but where he's drafted matters. To take him at 10, you've got to be as close to dead positive as possible that he's going to hit his ceiling otherwise it's not a good pick there. Later on? Different story.
I'd be on board at 40  
mrvax : 4/27/2016 12:44 pm : link
but now way at #10. The guy is obviously a good WR but also as dumb as a box of rocks.
Rather have Fuller at 40  
Lionhart28 : 4/27/2016 2:42 pm : link
than Coleman at 10. Doubt he's there either though. I would rather take Doctson at 10 if they are set on a WR (which I doubt).
RE: Here you go  
chris r : 4/27/2016 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12924125 KWALL2 said:
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“It’s comical, people come up to the line of scrimmage and try to jam him, they don’t even get a finger on him,” Collinsworth said of Coleman. “And, then he’s so fast, now you miss him at the line of scrimmage, and he just goes. Somebody is going to be on the other side of Odell Beckham... somebody’s going one-on-one. So, if you said, ‘Who’s the one guy they could not cover one-on-one on the back side?’ That’s Corey Coleman.”



He's a guy who would get Beckham one on one looks. He's a no risk/HR potential pick. Not just speed. Strong and tough. Outstanding with the ball in his hands. Excellent runner who can also play out of the backfield.


Corey Fn Coleman is not getting Odell Beckham one on one looks. Let's get real here.
Route trees are not as much of an issues in a WCO  
Section331 : 4/27/2016 2:51 pm : link
as they were in TC/KG's system. The spread has route trees as well. Unless Coleman is completely clueless, he can grasp the WCO.

That said, no way is he the pick at 10, but I'd be thrilled to get him at 40. I just don't see him still being there.
Chris  
KWALL2 : 4/27/2016 3:25 pm : link
After a few big plays he'll get more attention and his deep speed will pull safety help his way.
He's not really the type of WR  
JonC : 4/27/2016 3:29 pm : link
I'd expect NYG to look for, when you consider the Nicks/Randle/M2 types they seem to prefer. Tall, rangy, vertical threats who can stretch and stress the defense.

Coleman is more like OB.
JonC  
JerseyCityJoe : 4/27/2016 3:59 pm : link
Quite true. However, McAdoo might just go for another OB type now.
I meant WR types opposite OB, my bad  
JonC : 4/27/2016 4:01 pm : link
They could but his skillset appears a bit redundant.
I don't think any WR's  
Bluesbreaker : 4/27/2016 5:10 pm : link
are worth the #10 I did a Tradedown and selected
Doctson at #20 Because he gives us some size .
But Coleman with OBJ would be a Nightmare
for the opposition .
The SI mock draft has him slipping to #30...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/27/2016 5:35 pm : link
I'd be willing to trade up from 40 if he slips that far. My ideal Thursday night would be selecting Jack at 10 and Coleman at 30. Game changers on both sides of the ball. Probably cost a 4th and a 6th to move back into the late first round.
RE: The SI mock draft has him slipping to #30...  
CGiants07 : 4/27/2016 7:08 pm : link
In comment 12925322 Dan in the Springs said:
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I'd be willing to trade up from 40 if he slips that far. My ideal Thursday night would be selecting Jack at 10 and Coleman at 30. Game changers on both sides of the ball. Probably cost a 4th and a 6th to move back into the late first round.


have hard time seeing him get past group of teams in 21-25 area
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