Not the best connection but I got the schedule right an hour or so before it got released.
Giants view Floyd as their number 1 guy. If he's there at 10 he will be the pick.
If he isn't there next up is Conklin. If it is Conklin vs Floyd at 10 they will pick Leonard. They still really enjoy Conklin though.
The next up on their board and this is really surprising is Elliot. It's unlikely they will take him or trade up but they really do like him.
Just posting some of the whispers I heard.
I didn't hear much on him. Wasn't mentioned when I asked who they really wanted. I wouldn't buy into any connections between us with him. Just doesn't seem likely.
what you posted seems to be the accurate picture.
It's Floyd (source = everyone). Then Conklin (source = you, Raanan, hitdog). You and hitdog have said Elliot.
The wildcard (sorry Thrill) seems to be Hargraeves - Raanan has him but nobody else it seems. Might have missed something though.
Of course, we'll know for sure tomorrow.
Can 9PM Thursday come already?
Half of BBI hated the fact they were going to pick Dayne, the other half loved the idea of picking Dayne.
Can 9PM Thursday come already?
I don't think that first group is remotely correct.
Can 9PM Thursday come already?
Can't it be both? I think its realistic to assume if Jack is there at 7 or 8 we start making calls while also wanting Floyd if he's there at 10 (with Jack being gone).
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to be two groups of asshats at this point. One has the Giants liking Myles Jack enough that they'll move up to get him, and the other is Floyd option A, Conklin option B.
Can 9PM Thursday come already?
Can't it be both? I think its realistic to assume if Jack is there at 7 or 8 we start making calls while also wanting Floyd if he's there at 10 (with Jack being gone).
Absolutely. It's certainly possible that they have Jack on another tier but they doubt he'll last to 10, and Floyd is their top guy on tier two.
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to be two groups of asshats at this point. One has the Giants liking Myles Jack enough that they'll move up to get him, and the other is Floyd option A, Conklin option B.
Can 9PM Thursday come already?
Can't it be both? I think its realistic to assume if Jack is there at 7 or 8 we start making calls while also wanting Floyd if he's there at 10 (with Jack being gone).
I think you're right. Blending the two reports it appears that there may be some interest in Jack, but they probably don't believe he'll be there. Same with Tunsil, Buckner & Ramsey, so the next "row" likely starts with Floyd, Conklin, Zeke.
Personally, I'm hoping Zeke jumps both Floyd & Conklin. I'm salivating at the idea of plugging him into this offense.
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tell me the difference between Jack and Floyd?
Jack hits and tackles like an NFL star.
Half of BBI hated the fact they were going to pick Dayne, the other half loved the idea of picking Dayne.
Did you have to remind us of that?
If the knee checks out, I'd go Jack > Floyd. Hopefully they have the choice to make but I expect Jack to be picked before 10.
Especially for a RT
The main difference is Jack would be great value at #10 and Floyd would be great value at #40
Beckham and Flowers are part of the new core.
While I admittedly liked Eifert over Pugh, Pugh is turning out to be a key cog, versatile, starting OL.
Nicks, JPP, Phillips all key to a 4th SB title.
Prince was unfortunate but a no-brainer pick based on value.
Wilson was terrible luck but had all-world ability. Even Nicks and KP wound up with bad injury luck or could have still been around.
The point is, Giants fans have EVERY reason to be confident in their 1st round draft choice. The rest of the draft? We'll see.
When I piece it together, my understanding is that the Giants have a top-tier of 4 players (excluding QB):
Myles Jack
Deforest Buckner
Jalen Ramsey
Laremy Tunsil
If any of these slip to 10, the Giants will pick one.
Next, assuming that doesn't happen, the Giants will select Leonard Floyd.
And here is where it gets really fuzzy for me:
If all four are gone and Floyd is gone too, then the Giants will select either Elliott or Conklin. If Elliott is gone, then it would be Conklin.
I think there is a very good chance that one of the top four slips and is available at 10. Somebody always slips. Who will it be this year?
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tell me the difference between Jack and Floyd? They are both fast and have good cover skills. If someone complains about Jacks Knee, you can say something about Floyds age. Floyd has great height to cover Big TEs and speed to cover LBs. and would be a great asset on 3rd and long situations. I wouldn't mind either of these guys
The main difference is Jack would be great value at #10 and Floyd would be great value at #40
seeing how the bears would pick Floyd at 11 if the giants don't makes that a wrong statement.
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tell me the difference between Jack and Floyd?
Jack hits and tackles like an NFL star.
Fatman - Osi Umenyura wasn't a big hitter either -- and he was an NFL star with only some of the ability that Floyd has
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Floyd is a LB, who will occasionally be called on to rush the passer. However, he'll be expected to tackle every down.
Conklin is the much safer play.
A rookie playing all year with a high ankle sprain at one of toughest positions in the game.
Give me more OL like Flowers. Watch what an anchor he becomes.
I'm really hoping Floyd goes to Tampa. I have a really bad feeling about that pick.
Conklin wouldn't be a sexy pick, but a solid one that would solidify the OL.
When I piece it together, my understanding is that the Giants have a top-tier of 4 players (excluding QB):
Myles Jack
Deforest Buckner
Jalen Ramsey
Laremy Tunsil
If any of these slip to 10, the Giants will pick one.
Next, assuming that doesn't happen, the Giants will select Leonard Floyd.
And here is where it gets really fuzzy for me:
If all four are gone and Floyd is gone too, then the Giants will select either Elliott or Conklin. If Elliott is gone, then it would be Conklin.
I think there is a very good chance that one of the top four slips and is available at 10. Somebody always slips. Who will it be this year?
Out of all those players, only one I do NOT want is Buckner.Huge man but Lousy combine numbers and think he will be much less effective against an NFL caliber line.
A rookie playing all year with a high ankle sprain at one of toughest positions in the game.
Give me more OL like Flowers. Watch what an anchor he becomes.
Yup.
When I piece it together, my understanding is that the Giants have a top-tier of 4 players (excluding QB):
Myles Jack
Deforest Buckner
Jalen Ramsey
Laremy Tunsil
If any of these slip to 10, the Giants will pick one.
Next, assuming that doesn't happen, the Giants will select Leonard Floyd.
And here is where it gets really fuzzy for me:
If all four are gone and Floyd is gone too, then the Giants will select either Elliott or Conklin. If Elliott is gone, then it would be Conklin.
I think there is a very good
chance that one of the top four slips and is available at 10. Somebody always slips. Who will it be this year?
If they truly covet those four and one or two slips to around seven I'd seriously think about moving up for him
A rookie playing all year with a high ankle sprain at one of toughest positions in the game.
Give me more OL like Flowers. Watch what an anchor he becomes.
You (and others) can choose to have faith and no one can tell you otherwise.
I was very uneasy about the Flowers pick last year because the only clear datum in his favor was the bench press, which only goes so far. His technique remains very bad.
I have hope (as a fan) but I don't have faith: in Flowers, in Landon Collins, or in the draft decision makers (and that's not just Reese).
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Can anyone honestly
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tell me the difference between Jack and Floyd?
Jack hits and tackles like an NFL star.
And is significantly more athletic. The only thing Floyd has on him is length, which is not very important for a LBer.
If he's an accident waiting to happen, what is Newhouse?
If the knee checks out, I'd go Jack > Floyd. Hopefully they have the choice to make but I expect Jack to be picked before 10.
Well, He is the JPP of RT's - Jerry thinks he's delicious
They're very different prospects. Myles Jack is a top 3 pick in his draft if teams are convinced he's remotely healthy. There are no questions about Jack other than "can he play this year?"
Agree Carl
I thought Floyd couldn't defend run?
Drag down tackler, no pop.
Lean, gangly, lanky, weak frame, painfully thin.
Trouble getting off blocks.
Trouble setting the edge.
Marginal play strength.
Loses fight for neutral zone at point of attack.
Must work to keep his pad level lower.
Struggles to gain extension with arms.
The above are from scouting profiles from various sites (NFL.com included).
Floyd is a LB, who will occasionally be called on to rush the passer. However, he'll be expected to tackle every down.
If your argument is that Floyd cant play like a traditional all pro linebacker then i agree with that proposition, however, insisting the Giants use Floyd that way is the problem with your ascertian. Floyd will be used to rush the passer and for passing coverage - he will become the same rush defender as Osi but have the chase skills and in your face skills of JPp. You have to go outside the box to analyze this properly. Thus is about fitting an uber talent into a proper role.
I thought Floyd couldn't defend run?
Must be why Georgia played him at ILB a lot of the time last year. They wanted someone who couldn't stop the run.
Who doesn't every now and again...amirite???
Considering you insisted Tim Tebow was a better player than Cam Newton in the not so distant future, I'm not so sure this is a philosophy you should be holding.
Every prospect has warts and question marks. Question is, which will grown, improve and be the best fit for what we want them to do and, will they be available when it's our turn to pick?
But this Leonard bashing has reached epic proportions. I don't ever recall a potential draftee getting bashed this much in prior drafts.
It's the tenth pick int he draft. That isn't a "well he'll grow into it" draft position. That player is expected to be a plug and play starter.
Every prospect has warts and question marks. Question is, which will grown, improve and be the best fit for what we want them to do and, will they be available when it's our turn to pick?
But this Leonard bashing has reached epic proportions. I don't ever recall a potential draftee getting bashed this much in prior drafts.
I hear you - but thankfully, we dont make it a habit picking in the top 10 yr after yr...(although we have been/damn close over the past 3 yrs). We're talking the #10 pick here... Floyd would be fine in the late teens/20's (my opinion)... Not #10
There are athletes at the NFL level at his caliber that will weigh more than him, be more violent, and be blocking him.
Also, let's not pretend that there aren't can't miss prospects in every draft who check off most boxes and yet don't ever pan out.
There are athletes at the NFL level at his caliber that will weigh more than him, be more violent, and be blocking him.
I got it. He's thin.
But guess what? Both TB and CHI are rumored to really like the kid. So slot value doesn't seem to be a problem for them, and they know LBs a hell of a lot better than we do.
This will be a LB in the NFL. He won't be able to start as a guy who gets QB hurries and gets close to people catching the ball. At a lot of points, he'll be called on to knock the carrier backward, not chase and drag or miss arm tackles.
As much as people are saying the criticism is overblown, I think an equally large group is wondering how a #10 pick in the draft hasn't produced highlights of performing a very basic LB trait, hitting people hard.
And again, name soft LB's who had notable careers. You can do it for a few CB's, but that list of LB's playing soft is non-existent. This isn't a 3rd round pick we're debating - it is the #10 pick. And again, we have two examples of soft players in Mingo and Rivers who were picked high.
And so did every team in the draft. Including us.
And so did every team in the draft. Including us.
That, I think, you'd have to prove or cite.
Also, wasn't every team. Watkins went first. There are some teams that I would say expressing pre-draft interest isn't exactly a quality indicator.
If New England was overwhelmingly hot for a WR, or cleveland was coveting a QB, I'd look at that as more of a reason to stay away than to wonder what secrets they know.
A rookie playing all year with a high ankle sprain at one of toughest positions in the game.
Give me more OL like Flowers. Watch what an anchor he becomes.
Ok so he proved his toughness. What did he show you as a blocker to make you so optimistic?
You can check the first 3 boxes off for EF.
The book on him out of college was that he needed work on his technique which just so happens to be 100% coachable, the other 3 are not.
Again, he was expected to play RT last year and slid over for Beatty. If you arent encouraged by his rookie season either your expectations were too high or you are stupid.
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The main difference is Jack would be great value at #10 and Floyd would be great value at #40
That is nonsense. Jack would be a steal at 10 (true) and Floyd would be close to on value at 10. At 40 he'd be have to be under indictment somewhere. He probably doesn't get past 15 at worst.
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The main difference is Jack would be great value at #10 and Floyd would be great value at #40
That is nonsense. Jack would be a steal at 10 (true) and Floyd would be close to on value at 10. At 40 he'd be have to be under indictment somewhere. He probably doesn't get past 15 at worst.
The point was I don't think Floyd will be able to stand up well in the NFL. Went to many a UGA game over the years and he is a nice athletic player with a decent rush, but he is going to get pushed around a lot and/or run over.
He would not be my pick anywhere in Rd 1...
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tell me the difference between Jack and Floyd?
Jack hits and tackles like an NFL star.
Fatman - Osi Umenyura wasn't a big hitter either -- and he was an NFL star with only some of the ability that Floyd has
Osi is exactly who Floyd reminds me of. I don't see all this coverage ability people are talking about but then again I haven't watched a whole lot of his highlights.
There's more at play for a linebacker. Power is important, taking on blockers is important, or you get caught up in the wash as appears a lot in some of Floyd's games.
Everyone else seems to be so sure that the Giants are enamored with Floyd with the original poster saying he is their favorite player in the draft but I am not getting that. This isn't like Accorsi and Shockey.
Maybe I'm wrong and the Giants take Floyd with one of the other 4 guys still on the board and if that happens I will eat crow.
The Giants believe that this is going to be a funky draft, with another QB going before them leaving only 6 teams to grab one of their top 4 and another curveball or 2 thrown into the mix with a team reaching for a player or two currently mocked into the 12-15 range (Hargreaves, Stanley, Lawson, Rankins).
The Giants plans are to stay put unless Ramsey or Tunsil gets close (7 or 8).
One name confirmed again today that the Giants ARE NOT interested at 10 is Joey Bosa.
Everyone else seems to be so sure that the Giants are enamored with Floyd with the original poster saying he is their favorite player in the draft but I am not getting that. This isn't like Accorsi and Shockey.
Maybe I'm wrong and the Giants take Floyd with one of the other 4 guys still on the board and if that happens I will eat crow.
The Giants believe that this is going to be a funky draft, with another QB going before them leaving only 6 teams to grab one of their top 4 and another curveball or 2 thrown into the mix with a team reaching for a player or two currently mocked into the 12-15 range (Hargreaves, Stanley, Lawson, Rankins).
The Giants plans are to stay put unless Ramsey or Tunsil gets close (7 or 8).
One name confirmed again today that the Giants ARE NOT interested at 10 is Joey Bosa.
They are gone by 4, 5 the latest (if someone jumps up really high for Lynch).
Most likely it's Goff/Wentz then Ramsey, whoever Dallas takes, then Tunsil at 5.
Or..
Goff/Wentz, Tunsil, Ramsey (Ramsey to Dallas would piss me off)
FMIC Nails it IMO .
Give me Conklin then Zeke is my Favorite Player
in the Draft .
Shore up the O-line so we can run the Ball when
the Defense Knows were gonna the way it use
to be how many cliffhangers could have been
won with a Lousy 1st down ..
Everyone else seems to be so sure that the Giants are enamored with Floyd with the original poster saying he is their favorite player in the draft but I am not getting that. This isn't like Accorsi and Shockey.
Maybe I'm wrong and the Giants take Floyd with one of the other 4 guys still on the board and if that happens I will eat crow.
The Giants believe that this is going to be a funky draft, with another QB going before them leaving only 6 teams to grab one of their top 4 and another curveball or 2 thrown into the mix with a team reaching for a player or two currently mocked into the 12-15 range (Hargreaves, Stanley, Lawson, Rankins).
The Giants plans are to stay put unless Ramsey or Tunsil gets close (7 or 8).
One name confirmed again today that the Giants ARE NOT interested at 10 is Joey Bosa.
Excellent. If those 4 are gone, I would have zero problem with the Giants trading back to the teens and getting more picks. Have to find a partner though, and it seems that Lynch, or Elliot, or a left tackle would have to be sitting there for a team to have the interest in trading up. If two of Stanley, Lynch and Elliot went ahead of the Giants it would help one of the 4 slide. Obviously Bosa going in the top 9 would really help.
and hasn't sniffed an INT .
Throw in 5 career forced fumbles ...
Watch the tape he is one leg injury away
from being of No Help to whoever drafts him .
Hey maybe he will be a better player in the NFL
Tyrone Smith Jason Peters Trent Willams ..
Await..
I disagree with this. I think more teams are putting their better pass rusher against the RT now, at least situationally. I think the RT is important, not as much as LT, but still important.
And Floyd's still a bust.
And Floyd's still a bust.
My concern is that I have noticed that you are usually right. That is worrisome. UKGiantsfan, who is almost always right, likes Floyd but admits he has weaknesses and has some boom/bust in him. Floyd has the clear ear-markings of a colossal eff up by Reese. Maybe his waterloo. It may be better to go with someone like Conklin.
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