Knowing the NYG Pick

One or two of the beat writers get the pick right the day or so before the draft. If so, Giants are bad at keeping silent

Accorsi wanted Shockey. So much so that the Titans who picked #14 used it as leverage to threaten to trade the pick with Seattle, so Accorsi coughed up a 4th rounder to trade up one slot from #15 and get him.

Draft in '14

Last year, he was touting Flowers for weeks leading up to the draft...

He's been on Floyd for months m, so it seems...

Worrisome as shit, really...

Flowers last year, OBJ two years ago, Pugh the year before

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In comment 12924470 Saos1n said:

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Draft in '14 Last year, he was touting Flowers for weeks leading up to the draft... He's been on Floyd for months m, so it seems... Worrisome as shit, really...

So if the trend continues, Raanan should know our 2017 pick in a week or so?

before-hand. And Flowers was just ONE of MANY OL names being tossed about.

I think the last ones that were really telegraphed was Dayne, and maybe Shockey.

this stuff isn't as clock and dagger as people make it out to be. Teams all have a general sense of who each other want. There is so much information out there, teams buy into scouting services like BLESTO. Teams talk to the same college coaches. You rarely see the Sean Bennett's who no one has heard of.

I heard this after the fact from someone in the know, but apparently in the Mark Sanchez draft, it was known that the Jets had flown out to California to meet with Sanchez prior to the draft and they were working the rounds on a trade. But most teams were aware of what was going on.

later today and assume he will nail it again as he has done so the past few years.

follow the Giants to know that Floyd is the sort of player the Gmen have been looking for. No asshats needed to make that guess here.

No leaks, no nutin.

In comment 12924497 David B. said:

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before-hand. And Flowers was just ONE of MANY OL names being tossed about. I think the last ones that were really telegraphed was Dayne, and maybe Shockey.

It seems you weren't paying attention. Flowers was most certainly called before the draft, but some just didn't want to believe it.

Hmmmm it seems like history is repeating itself

the media has had the most likely pick before it was announced on air, don't know where some of you dudes were.

Flowers was talked about as THE target by Jordan (and yours truly) a month before the draft, as the most recent example.

of course it's unlikely the word came from Reese's own mouth, so there is a margin of error in any word that hits the forum.

By whom? You mean in something other than a mock draft?

heavily rumored to the Giants in the days leading up to the draft.

In comment 12924587 David B. said:

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By whom? You mean in something other than a mock draft?

David B, I remember a day or two out that the beat writers started picking up on the legit interest about Flowers- while the rest of us had been let arguing Peat/Scherff. They were locked in, and the beats knew it.

In comment 12924475 Anakim said:

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Flowers last year, OBJ two years ago, Pugh the year before

Last year was different. Everyone knew the Giants desperately needed O-Line help, so there was a small subset of OTs that the Giants were going to pick from. Pugh came out of left field as he was the 4th or 5th OT picked; the common response on the Pugh pick was wtf. This year the Giants have significant holes to fill and the talent that will be available at 10 is all over the board. Just about anyone they pick will fill a hole. This seems like one of those years where the player picked could surprise a lot of fans.

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numerous sources say various names and often hedge with several names. And in some years, it is obvious that a certain talent matches an obvious desperate need (like Left Tackle after Beatty goes down).

If you get to throw out 3 names and it happens to be one of them, that is not knowing the pick. That is an educated guess.

But if it makes someone feel better to promote it, so be it...

Floyd then the Giants did it again. Anyone one else has been pure speculation doing various mocks. I gave you JC back in January who they liked very much. It really depends on how the draft falls. If they stick with the current wonder boy Floyd even if picks drop then they get what they deserve a bust.

Know with absolute certainty. Have to see how it plays out.

it's knowing the most likely target still available.

but regarding: "Everyone knew the Giants desperately needed O-Line help, so there was a small subset of OTs that the Giants were going to pick from."

You could say that ALMOST EVERY YEAR going back as far as Alan Faneca vs Shawn Williams. The year the Giants drafted OBJ, they were :desperate" for OL help and everyone here wanted Zack Martin or any higher-rated OL that fell from the top row.

Guys at BBI, and to a slightly less degree among the beat writers ALWAYS think OL in the 1st round is sensible pick. And whether you agree with that stance or not the Giants -- under Reese and Accorsi rarely use a 1st pick on the OL (Flowers and Pugh being the exceptions), preferring to get Experienced OLs via FA. (George Young was the opposite).

So to me, as "desperate" for OL help as the Giants seem, they will not automatically map that first round pick to an OL. And in my gut, it still feels like a last resort from them when they do. Flowers was called "a reach," by most -- many people still don't think he's an OLT (I'm not among them) and Pugh felt -- to me, anyway -- like the worst-case-scenario version of BPA. Doesn't mean he's not a good player.

I'm very sure that's fan projected angst. They were desperate last year. Since then, Richburg has proved to have pro bowl level potential, Pugh looks like a natural guard, and Flowers' absolute worst case is he moves to RT for the next 10 years.

The Giants have been a leaky ship for years. I'm not talking about the occasional scoop a friend of someone in the org gets, I'm talking beat writers knowing the guys they want in list format. Vacciano was all over a few picks as well.

This year has been the worst but that may be bad timing as much as anything after Reese went to the Georgia pro day early in the process (it was also his first proday, but not his only one).

Was talked about for weeks as well before the pick

a number of years ago. Like most draft picks he didn't work out as a player and was out of the league. He was mostly a product of the Michigan offensive line. You can throw in Jarrod Bunch also from Michigan who didn't pan out.

It's not rocket science here guys. You can come pretty close to nailing the pick simply by doing your homework and trotting out 4 mock drafts with a different choice each time. I follow this shit daily and have for years and I most definitely did not know David Wilson would be the pick. I knew he was possible but so were 5-6 other names. Pugh? Please. Some of you absolutely knew JPP would be the pick yet 90% of bbi went bat shit crazy when JPP's name was called and most didn't even know who he was. But you knew? Stop. You think you knew. There's a difference.

And hardly anyone said OBJ.

A stopped watch is right twice a day.

It's not rocket science to compare obvious team needs to prospect rankings and mock drafts. Nicks was projected to go in the range of picks the Giants selected in. That doesn't mean the front office has a security leak.

the asshattery or the inside info or rumors and maybe even once in a while there is some legit inside info. But no outside of Giants MGMT really knows who they will take and even if they did hear something, it would be impossible to prove if said info was legit. An insider in the war room could tell 10 different people 10 different things. Good luck with that. It's impossible to tell what is and what isn't BS.

5:00 PM EST today, Giants management had neglected to get official BBI approval for their proposed draft pick. A meeting with a committee of prominent posters has been arranged, however, for tomorrow, AM. Also on the agenda will be retroactive approval for the OBJ draft, and the Eli trade, and several other items of importance. TC, who insists that he never had adequate input into draft choices has also been invited to attend.

In comment 12924667 Jimmy Googs said:

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numerous sources say various names and often hedge with several names. And in some years, it is obvious that a certain talent matches an obvious desperate need (like Left Tackle after Beatty goes down). If you get to throw out 3 names and it happens to be one of them, that is not knowing the pick. That is an educated guess. But if it makes someone feel better to promote it, so be it...

Exactly! There's been a lot of names, not just one or even two. if 6 names get talked about, the odds are someone will be right and get to wear the asshat for a year.

is anyone still gonna watch the draft tomorrow night ;-)

But Nan bread had Flowers pegged more than a week before the draft.

Fuck

In comment 12924620 jeff57 said:

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Well he and Brandon Graham, whom the Eagles jumped ahead of the Giants, to draft. Remeber it was the safe choice of Graham vs JPP potential after only 11 games at USF.

In comment 12925328 Modus Operandi said:

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But Nan bread had Flowers pegged more than a week before the draft.

Dude...isn't that kind of racist? Would it be okay if I referred to Paul Schwartz as "The Bagel?"

The year before he had Zack Martin to the Giants. To his defense tho he had OBJ going tenth to Detroit saying the difference between him and Evans wasnt big at all. Said his explosiveness makes him an ideal partner with Calvin Johnson

In comment 12924855 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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It's not rocket science to compare obvious team needs to prospect rankings and mock drafts. Nicks was projected to go in the range of picks the Giants selected in. That doesn't mean the front office has a security leak.

Exactly.

IMO, this stuff is silly. Like it's a contest to guess the pick. BFD. Not even Reese knows until the draft starts.

As soon as the pick is made, there will be multiple claims, "Boom, I nailed it again"

Flew up the charts in what seemed like a 24 hour period. All of a sudden the Giants were hot for him.

In comment 12925396 Fish said:

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Flew up the charts in what seemed like a 24 hour period. All of a sudden the Giants were hot for him.

More like a 2-4 week period. He was being talked about for a few weeks prior to us selecting him and was becoming a more trendy pick for us.

Everybody and their mother had Kenny Phillips to the Giants.

Then there was that Miami draft streak, so the talking heads were all rooting for him to be picked at the end.

I was hoping for KP but when the Jets traded up, I was psssd. Happy when the took Keller.

PS

I remember my friends and I were thinking the Giants would be drafting Alexander and we were (not happily) surprised with Dayne.